I Have to Pirate COLOURS Now?? - Pantone Connect + Adobe split

[@NekuZX]

I really appreciate how the question in the title is not "I have to buy colours now??", but specifically "I have to PIRATE colors now??". Implying that piracy is the default option, which im all in support of.

[@aesieaiyahcloe]

Me and my CS6 Suite.

[@H_Eli]

It is not a question, it is a threat.

[@civicrider5556]

@@aesieaiyahcloe me and my photoshop, illustrator & after effects 2021 (yes they work without the CC sub)

[@trunestor]

@danse en rouge piracy made my childhood happy

[@Mordecrox]

More like the only option sometimes. Already found logistics make it impossible to even pay Pantone. Plenty of useful software has to be sidetracked be because their payment options can't fit our bureaucratic requirements. (For some reason many companies aren't used to the concept of basic trade and force every clip purchase to jump hoops)

[@Solruc_]

Like Gaben said, to combat piracy you have to offer a better product.

[@skippykishi7851]

...at a fair price.

[@system128]

Krita

[@Ashtarte3D]

That isn't quite the quote. He said that piracy is a failure of service to the end user. Which is far more accurate. When you aren't offered to be legitimate in an area, that's a failure of service. When you rob users of functionality they formally had, that is failure of service. And when you crowd out any competition that is a failure of service.

[@meestuinier4486]

That's what Spotify did

[@ArsenGaming]

@@meestuinier4486 It certainly did not. I and many others still prefer downloading songs from KZbin and other platforms. I'm not paying some corporation to bestow upon me the gift of not having to listen to psychologically manipulative BS (ads) and have all the features I could otherwise have if I just downloaded the songs.

[@fellow9939]

ITV: Linus tries to convince you to pirate photoshop without saying it out loud for legal reasons.

[@martinus_mars]

@@gaydonaldtrump extremely based

[@Chazbc]

@@gaydonaldtrump Not even CS6?

[@jubayerwasidraiyan5874]

@@gaydonaldtrump gigachad

[@chambres]

what does itv stand for i couldn’t find it on google

[@KiddKat]

@@gaydonaldtrump legend

[@tarabooartarmy3654]

When Adobe pulled that whole thing with telling me I needed to pay a huge feel to cancel my Creative Cloud subscription early, I just canceled my debit card. If I couldn’t afford their monthly fee at the time, I certainly couldn’t have afforded to pay hundreds of dollars to cancel. Ridiculous. Abobe is one of the worst companies I’ve personally dealt with.

[@auxrmes]

Watching old videos but holy shit that never even crossed my mind to do. How'd that work out?

[@tarabooartarmy3654]

@@auxrmesworked out fine. I made sure I had no critical pending charges on my debit card first. Got another one in a few days. Adobe let me subscribe again later with no issues, but I but paid for a year upfront so I didn’t have to worry about the crazy cancellation fee.

[@lotarion]

​@@auxrmes They wouldn't do much of anything, aside from locking that account and all other future Adobe accounts under that email or phone number. Trying to sue would cost more than that cancellation fee, so it's simply not worth it for them

[@pedrosso0]

@@lotarion Won't the legal fees get paid if they win?

[@lotarion]

@@pedrosso0 They'd lose more money to just the lawyers than they'd gain from the individual who's being sued The case might also attract law enforcement's attention to their practices, which could end up in a disaster for Adobe

[@Muggy206]

A couple good Adobe Alternatives: Photoshop -> Affinity Lightroom -> Capture One Premiere -> Davinci Resolve (This is free to boot, at least for the majority of users who don't need certain features.) I'm sure there's more but that's what I'm familiar with personally.

[@talkysassis]

I would say that Lightworks is a good alternative to Premiere too. As I know, it is more used in Hollywood than Premiere.

[@LuLeBe]

After effects? That's the one I'm keeping them for. Also illustrator and InDesign. For InDesign there's Quark but unless you're a student the license is super expensive.

[@nytelife26]

@@LuLeBe there was Figma once upon a time until they sold out to Adobe. that was awful news that killed off a lot of the Figma community lmao

[@chickenfarmer321]

I can confirm, affinity is extremely useful, easier to use than adobe's stuff.

[@flopkin]

I switched to Resolve about 2 years ago from Final Cut and can confirm that once you get past the learning curve it is a phenomenal program.

[@naytron210]

Sign & Apparel shop designer here -- I was able to switch to Affinity Designer a couple years ago, and man am I glad now. We work with Pantones all day unfortunately, and the prospect of having to manually update every file in the archive sounds like a complete nightmare. Sadly I still need AI for a couple key features I need regularly that Designer doesn't have (shape builder, auto-trace, smooth tool, smartly-implemented pathfinder/booleans), and Serif refuse to make Android versions of their apps, so you're out of luck on tablets if you're not bought into the the Apple walled garden. I just can't believe how stupid it all is, color matching should be essentially open-source.

[@Kkubey]

The idea of colors being branded is so absurd. It is really just visible light.

[@txin999]

Serif just released version 2 of all affinity apps (Designer ver.2 has shape builder now, among other things). But yeah, it sucks that they're all only available on the ipad.

[@h42el]

ah that's nice to know. I was looking at Serif too but when I tried designer a few things about paths pissed me off immediately and I didn't check it out since.

[@larrysunshine]

Affinity 2 has shape builder and a bunch of new tools

[@lermanct4486]

@Kubey My understanding is that they don't own the colors per say, just like their code for that color. The whole point of Pantone is the physical products and the PS swatches are there to ensure a match.

[@clee027]

1 Year Later: Linus announces his own color matching enterprise.

[@storczykorg]

At some point it could be cheaper to make own color matching system than subscribe to existing one

[@Thribbulous]

LTT RBG LTD

[@theterminaldave]

LinusTone™

[@robertomacetti7069]

@@theterminaldave linus toner tips sounds better imho

[@SpeezyOTB]

This is Linus in a nutshell. Since they’re fucking up, let me do it right.

[@oldplace2844]

We've actually transitioned out of pantones a while back due to Adobe's previous Pantone issue where you could get two different shades of the same Pantone. After that we switched to CMYK swatches for better reliability and consistency. Both of these companies have long lost any faith I had them.

[@Driftwood420]

You already paid for this in a sense. Shouldn't need to pay a subscription on top. Piracy is better than daylight robbery from these companies

[@t.r.2283]

From my experience apple had zero pirating protection. So it makes sense for all to go to a sub based Modell if they are on MacOS. No clue if this changed but that's my old experience. Download program from torrent page. Throw random old as key in it that millions already used. Still tada legit copy according to apple

[@kjellvb1979]

Honestly, piracy has become more ethical than dealing with these snake oil salesmen and con games these large corporations, which make 100's of billions in profits, are running on the public.

[@RadOo]

Reason why people pirate software.

[@codybishop7526]

Welcome to corporate earth, where soon, water and air will be a paid service.

[@singularityraptor4022]

@@codybishop7526 water is already a paid service

[@JeremyCulbreath]

In response to this, Stuart Semple has released Freetone, a Pantone-ish color palette for Adobe products. It's not piracy, but it is a way to use accurate colors for no additional cost. From what I can tell, the colors are exact matches.

[@starflame]

Surprised we didn't see them talk about Freetone here. Poor research, it's the best offer forwards.

[@darrellevans5027]

thank you for that, we now have the most colorful colors.

[@neochick]

One might argue that they are indistinguishable even

[@WillFuI]

How do onlin colors expire? Or do they just add colors just to make it obsolete

[@shadowtheimpure]

@@WillFuI That is exactly what happens, they either add a color or change the codes.

[@BwakBirb]

I wanna point out, $20 or even $15 a month for Adobe as a student still isn't dirt cheap and most of my peers decided to avoid the cost It's probably one of the most expensive subscriptions I ever had, and when I did pay for it as a student it was even then more money than I wanted to spend

[@Br3ttM]

Compared to spending $100 on a textbook for one class, one semester, that's not extreme. I do think that colleges should be forced to provide all materials needed for a class, though, because they have control over what gets used, but they don't pay for it, so there is very little incentive to keep costs down, and a significant amount of actual corruption.

[@brutus3631]

People who aren't in america are getting scalped even more. 15$ here is equivalent to 100$.

[@casedistorted]

@@Br3ttM when you are a dirt poor college student, $20 a month for software you may not even use on a daily basis is a lot of money.

[@spencerm8066]

@Br3ttM I think an instructor should have to prove that the materials required for a course will be used for at least 20% of that course.

[@mikem0ke]

@@Br3ttM i mean you at least get to keep the textbook after you use it

[@dacid44]

As far as I can tell, JetBrains actually has a pretty good model with their "perpetual fallback license": their products are a subscription service, but as soon as you pay for a year past a version of a product, you get a perpetual license for that version (not getting updates, as expected, unless you keep paying, and the version you have a license for will keep getting updated, 12 months behind the subscription payments.)

[@ascent817]

I agree

[@ScribeAwoken]

Bitwig Studio has another similar alternative. It's available on a rent-to-own basis where you can pay $16/mo for 25 months, during which period you'll receive any major upgrades that get released at no additional cost. Once that 25 months is over, you get a perpetual license for the latest major release.

[@pinakadhara7650]

Yeah, I find this most balanced.

[@kjcomputer]

This is the license that I respect

[@dIancaster]

JetBrains truly cares about you as a person. This is their philosophy. I appreciate them.

[@Enrique-Garcia]

On the topic of "what else can Adobe take away unilaterally": they killed any installations of CS6 programs and older. Yes, the ones we had bought out-right on CD or DVD and installed into our computers, they no longer work because the authentication servers that were called by the software were shut down by Adobe.

[@ThunderClawShocktrix]

well then you have only one answer use the pirate version

[@creamsiclecat]

That happened to me. Its one of the reason I've quit photoshop

[@Enrique-Garcia]

@@creamsiclecat I intended to do the same but looked for Photoshop and Illustrator alternatives and couldn't find any that I liked that didn't require me to change the way I operated or that were 100% compatible with my existing files (I use them daily for work so can't really spare the time to learn new programs)

[@casedistorted]

That is why i won't use Adobe, simply for those stupid authentication servers.

[@kbhasi]

That somehow hurt me, but only because I remembered reading a social media post from a book illustrator who illustrates traditionally but uses (or used) Photoshop CS6 to clean up and colour her illustrations.

[@AlbertBuckinghamEllison]

If I were to bet, the next thing to be paywalled will be the 'AI' features. Content-Aware fill, spot removal tools, cloner, background erase, object selection etc. It's the new hot thing and they're pushing it hard in their advertising if you look carefully. This Pantone debacle really has fu**ed with our business as well. I'm a Designer at an exhibition & events company, so we work with different materials and media all the time in print. Load up my galleon, the high seas await...

[@aoitamashii]

Except that's not a real alternative for professional work. If you ever get audited and they find it licensed to xX_LeetD@wg_Xx instead of ColorPros LLC then clients will raise an eyebrow or Adobe will come after you.

[@joe579003]

*Gangplank galleon intensifies*

[@rc2k524]

oh boy we are going to sail in a tsunami in the coming years

[@whytho1690]

@@UniversalStandard Oi, you and Albert, STOP GIVING THEM IDEAS

[@Matt-bp5vy]

@@UniversalStandard I thought you already had to pay to be born in the US

[@St4rTr3v1Ut10n]

Fun Fact: Since 2000, Pantone has selected "Color of the Year." For 2020 it was "Classic Blue," and for 2021 it was "Ultimate Gray." So very on brand.

[@hubertnnn]

So color of the year 2022 would be "Deleted Black"

[@shsz1984]

@@hubertnnnHa! Bravo!! That was a good one. xD

[@microtasker]

Lol, a veritable Pantone Civil War.

[@SaneAsylum]

Did nobody notice he used the 2022 color of the year for his background? Very Peri?

[@Ragnark1]

2023, "Atomic Explosion Yellow"

[@senacht]

Pantone held a monopoly because they were convenient and, until recently, affordable. But with this recent move they’ve now created interest in alternatives and opened the door to competition. And that competition will be greeted with open arms by the graphics community. So it’s only a matter of time before Pantone blinks or an alternative emerges.

[@RhizometricReality]

Pantone should be destroyed. Their executives should be nullified.

[@quintoblanco8746]

You think Pantone was affordable? And you think an alternative will magically appear? I have a bridge to sell you...

[@RhizometricReality]

@@quintoblanco8746 or an nft of the bridge lol

[@yeahgirl11]

@@quintoblanco8746 What did Pantone do that was SO SPECIAL and unique that they feel that they have the right charge people for colors? I seriously don't know; all I know is that they make colors lol

[@dierdred_the_gray]

@@yeahgirl11 while not defending them, they arent charging for the colors, theyre charging for access to the system that they have coded those colors to, which allows printers and designers to communicate what exact colors are needed where and when.

[@XoXoDrxgstep]

I'm in university for Design and the program forces you to buy adobe suite (for the student price) but I think it's crazy that there is no alternative and schools are forced to force you into using their products. Adobe has one hell of a marketing team. A good way I saw someone put it "people use to use Adobe because they wanted too. Now it's because we have too"

[@21lizra]

Also a design student. They may teach you in adobe, but that doesn't force you to use or purchase it. Are they checking your receipts at the door? I've done a ton of projects in my software of choice (just changing the file type and checking for inconsistencies when handing it in), and never paid a cent to adobe. I used pirated software on my laptop in class. No one has ever questioned it or cared (mostly because you can't spot a pirated copy over a legit one) and I've even had profs allude to piracy as an option. Obviously their business model is garbage and they are the industry standard, which will funnel people toward it, but we can't act like we actually don't have a choice.

[@fundoo203]

Why is your school boy providing you a license? My school provides the license for almost every software we use

[@XoXoDrxgstep]

@@21lizra they check to make sure you have the subscription and use those programs specifically in class. One student tried to use a substitute I don't know what it was but was immediately told they had to get Adobe suite. Plus in my program they check all the save files and metadata.

[@XoXoDrxgstep]

@@fundoo203 they kind of do. They allow you access to the student discount which is an extreme discount, but no I don't get any adobe products for free from school at all. I wish lol

[@anastachios]

I hate adobe so much. It's always been overpriced, and now being a subscription it's worse. I use PaintTool Sai and it's never let me down.

[@fridaycaliforniaa236]

Sometimes, Piracy should be consider as a duty, given the permanent scams these companies are selling.

[@RhizometricReality]

These corporations need to be destroyed

[@Fireberries]

@@singular9 What Friday said still holds up. That still sounds like a scam to me

[@FauxFemale]

It is always morally correct to pirate from any sizeable corporation imo. The only people who deserve money are small teams and indie developers.

[@RannonSi]

@@FauxFemale I think you forgot the /s ;) To give it a serious answer, though. I disagree. It's not the size of the company, but rather the size combined with how they treat their customers. If they, like Adobe, are large (or pretty much the only alternative) in the area, and they treat their customers with contempt, sure. But if they treat their customers with respect, the size isn't an excusable argument, in itself.

[@Nemesis-pe7mw]

@@RannonSi A company doesn't get that large without falling in that category though. If you disagree I'd like to hear an example.

[@katherinesilens2994]

Depending on your business scale, at some point it becomes cheaper just to mail samples back and forth with suppliers and shotgun the colors until they're correct.

[@3dchick]

So glad you mentioned Affinity. They just released V2 of all apps, and you can get them all for ridiculous cheap right now. V1 got lots of support and upgrades, and I've had mine for like 8 years. Can't recommend it enough.

[@marydotjpeg]

What's Affinity like? I use procreate on my ipad to create my illustrations but when I need to print/graphics for my etsy shop ive always used PS and when I went to college for graphic design adobe was hailed as the hail marry of graphic design software and the industry standard. Shouldn't be an issue if i'm working for myself. I'm real tired of pirating PS and now this whole pantone debacle? smh

[@3dchick]

@@marydotjpeg I think it's more user friendly than PS, and haven't found anything yet I can't do, either on the ipad or computer. Things are arranged differently for sure but I haven't found any missing functions, and it's very customizable.

[@casedistorted]

@@3dchick I see that affinity universal license is $99 at 40% off right now

[@3dchick]

@@casedistorted Yeah! It's a fantastic deal!

[@Abdullah_the_Palestinian]

I used to use affinity but switched to photoshop. There are barley to no tutorials or courses on affinity whereas photoshop has tons and you instantly find the solution to whatever problem you where looking for.

[@adamgarlow5347]

You guys should follow up with a Photoshop alternative round up. The LTT creatives could do a pro con list and rank the programs. It would also be nice if the alternatives were free or at least one time payment lifetime ownership

[@Mediaright]

Many others have. If you want... whatever the frick GIMP is, get that. Krita is open-source too. Affinity seems to be the best comparable match to Adobe that has a nominal cost but also a UI that isn't engineer-centric.

[@adamgarlow5347]

@@Mediaright Yeah after checking out Affinity I've decided to try that. The one time I tried GIMP on linux it wasn't a good experience and Affinity looks to have what I want as a casual user.

[@nofreewill]

@@adamgarlow5347 True, Gimp might not be the best experience now, but I will recommend people give it a try after the release of Gimp 3, which will likely release next year.

[@n00blamer]

@@nofreewill GIMP is really shite to use but for $0 price it's good enough for cropping images which is what I use it for. Doing anything beyond that is like eating glass.

[@BeckyAnn6879]

@@n00blamer I've managed to get GIMP to do some cool stuff following the tutorial videos from Davies Media Design here on KZbin, but it's not all that intuitive. For its price point, it works... I just wouldn't expect to do anything of a professional level on it.

[@little-wytch]

I actually do use Gimp as well as Darktable for my photography because as soon as Adobe went cloud based, I told them to shove their subscription bullcrap until it tickled their tonsils. FOSS (and OSH too really) are the way of the future. This might be a fun project to try, like the month-long linux challenge, but maybe instead have whomever performs the FOSS challenge be someone that already knows and loves the software, to show what it's capable of for someone already thru the learning curve. That would really be the only way to properly compare, as most of y'all are already thru the CS/CC learning curve, prolly about a decade ago lol.

[@sonictailsandsally]

Have you tried Blender’s compositing tab for your photography?

[@Shinyworldwide]

what's FOSS and OSH?

[@MatheusKlSch]

@@Shinyworldwide FOSS = Free (as in freedom) and Open Source Software OSH = open source hardware

[@koma-k]

I'm still on the last perpetually-licensed version of Lightroom (Lr6), as I don't consider software subscriptions "palatable" when ending the subscription means losing access to your own work (Lr just goes into read-only mode I think, but still a hard pass for me). I'll keep using Lr6 until it no longer does the job I need it to. I've checked out the alternatives a couple of times, but last time I looked none ticked all the right boxes for me, the two most important being non-destructive editing and decent tag management. IIRC when they started down the subscription path, going for the Lr subscription was cheaper than keeping up with perpetual-license upgrades, but it looks like this is no longer the case, I guess in large part because you have to have 1TB cloud storage included in the plan.

[@aoitamashii]

That works for basic usage, but anyone that makes use of more advanced tools like the content-aware fill and other AI ones can't do that with Gimp. And as those tools get better and better, it means more and more extra time to do the same work manually instead of automagically.

[@MiD218]

I'm so glad my teacher back in 2015 said very explicit NOT to use a patcher for CC and showed us where to find the patcher so we could avoid it at all costs. I also definitely do NOT use it to this day for all of the CC apps of Adobe including updated variants. (I don't use professionally anyways)

[@stefanxcz]

Lmao

[@Johnyknowhow]

Do NOT search that term and click that link! If you do, you could find yourself in a situation were you AREN'T being taken advantage of by a multi-billion dollar software company, and that would be HORRIBLE! That is why I implore you to absolutely do not go here and follow these steps! Oh the humanity...

[@mavinicesumaljag2023]

C4-C6 adobe works just fine for most purposes. Unless you are a professional designer who needs to speed up or get more options for editing, then newer version will marginally increase your productivity.

[@watynecc3309]

I use Krita it's way better

[@HE911_]

Did you see Adobe in the last 30 days release that update that checks for older versions of 'potential' vulnerable software... LMAO get out of here adobe... Glad I got my hands on CS 6 before Adobe CC even had a chance to grow.

[@mickm6309]

I remember back in the 80's using the Pantone books, I was doing printing at the time. The books were about $800 AUD and our company didn't update very often. Besides having the colour and Pantone number they also had how to mix the colours with your basic inks. Eg. for a darker blue it might have, 1 Part Black, 2 Parts Reflex Blue.

[@maikel3572]

Thank you someone with knowledge. I read so many comments here and nobody actually knows what is going on and I believe that Linus has also been briefed wrong by his staff to what’s actually going on. Pantone/Adobe only removed the convenience of typing the pantone color in a window and it magically showing up in your document. It sucks how they went about it. But you still have the ability to do it as we did back then. Make a custom swatch. Grab a physical guide. Find the conversion color and put it in manually. Or look it up online and copy it in manually.

[@matttypes2695]

This is why the Affinity software suite exists. Edit: Glad you mentioned it in the video 👍🏻

[@Michael18751]

"Sounds like a good deal! Does a technician come to my house after each renewal to calibrate all my displays?" "No" "Goodbye!"

[@cappuccinoowl559]

This is why I kept my copies of CS5 and CS6. Sure, i don't get the latest color libraries but the costs over time stays until complete obsolescence.

[@NexuJin]

Secretly I'm hoping people now will go spreading the ACB files on file-sharing sites. Not to encourage software piracy, but just out of spite toward Pantone.

[@memoryfoam2285]

The 'what else can they take from me?' point is the exact reason why FOSS is the future, placing your trust in a company whose motivation is profit is a bad idea, especially when they don't even give you ownership over software that you need for your livelihood.

[@foodlfg]

you and i are the only ones who wrote about this in the comments. they did not even mentioned it as a problem in the video. the whole 2D, 3D, engineering industry is a monopolistic, proprietary shtshow a this point. only Blender holds the line. these people cannot take inconveniences, cannot coorpotate, cannot design and create a functioning ecosystems and software. they cannot comprehend the whole notion of independence. they just eat what companies put before them. this is the level they operate on. they dont even try.

[@punkrockllama]

Yes! Preach! I do get that GIMP, Inkscape, etc have drawbacks but actually owning it makes it infinitely better to me.

[@diddy_dante]

pfp checks out

[@scatmanj101]

Funnily enough, I am actually a commercial printer that makes book covers and we use pantone color inks for basically every single job. Heard about this happening and was talking with some of the prepress guys at my company about this and they were livid lol. Granted this huge company doesn't really care about paying a monthly fee so to me it seems like pantone is gonna come out on top with this either way

[@bararobberbaron859]

This is why I'm sticking to my version of Photoshop 2015. Yeah it's older, but I don't do much on the high end or cutting edge, so it serves me for all the things I need from it.

[@Nedvio]

What does the 2022 version do better than 2015 anyways? I assume the 2015 version does 95% of what the 2022 version does.

[@accidentalgenius8252]

@@AzVfL Jup theres some cool new features, but 2015 is fine when just doing it as a hobby for sure.

[@johnwhorfin5150]

@@accidentalgenius8252 i agree, a little bit of work in even older versions can do a really good job with color to the average eyes. a bit like they want us to believe in the bubble at the center of the galaxy hides a lot of images yet they say they have an image of a black hole eating a solar system 300 million light years away. its all gibberish to me ag

[@emel6423]

I like GIMP personally

[@Trivaldrop]

just saying since ltt is based in Canada it is NOT a crime to pirate movies software or any other digital media for ltt to pirate adobe software

[@film2240]

Linus, thanks for raising the issue of how the subscription model for creative apps like Adobe, etc isn't what it seems. I'm glad I've found good alternatives for my use case as a professional video editor. I stopped using Adobe software since 2012 due to their move to the subscription model. If I was still using Adobe, I might have faced similar issues if they decided to downgrade app capabilities in future.

[@studiohq]

A lot of us let them go. I did not want to RENT software I already paid to own.

[@Machtyn]

GIMP is FINALLY starting to support CYMK. The problem is software like this is expensive to create. However, Adobe could lower its profits a lot. But like the people who make epi-pens... fat chance for that.

[@plasmaoctopus1728]

Hah, we're gonna need and epi-pen for Adobe, because we are allergic to bullshit.

[@Bigdog1787]

Ya I think Adobe is too costly and if they make record profits they can for sure lower the price. I would not be paying the monthly fee, but currently it's just too high for me.

[@UncleKennysPlace]

@@Bigdog1787 So if you owned a company you'd "moderate" your profits? I won't.

[@Bigdog1787]

@@UncleKennysPlace when I a a company going my money will be spent back into the product or a new product at lest 50% of it anyhow probably 75%. Also I'd never have monthly costs I don't really like it, but I don't plan on making software. I see it better for most people to have the monthly payment as it's cheaper as software that I have used used to cost me $1000+ in one lump sum it's just very expensive this makes it more affordable for the majority of people that don't have $1ks laying around or find it hard to save money for it. I currently still pay for software, but non of them monthly and can upgrade when I want or still use my outdated software as some updates cost like $800 if it doesn't have features I really like I'll skip the upgrade process.

[@Δημήτρης-θ7θ]

Still, Pantone is not CMYK. It's indexed color. So, congrats on GIMP for trying to catch up with Adobe Photoshop CS from 2003 by attempting to implement CMYK (Pantone indexed color added in CS2 btw). Maybe in October 2003, if they have CMYK support done by then, they can celebrate being 20 years behind. To understand indexed color, think how CGA had up to 16 indexed colors, only that Pantone color books (color indexes) don't correspond only to RGB but also CMYK and several chemical dye processes used for dyeing plastic, fabrics etc. So, at minimum, GIMP should support the ability to store indexed color and convert it to RGB and CMYK to catch up to CS2.

[@thesilver3794]

the more companies that move to a subscription based payment the more pirates will be born

[@lelaleasl]

i love when big monopolies are the ones that are spearheading standards

[@ArturoTabera]

Fun fact: Pirating CC is making the apps even faster than a licence because it removes adobe tools that slow down the pc on purpose.

[@un7n0wing85]

When I worked in IT I was generally positive about issues people had with software, except Creative Cloud. I made a big deal every time I fixed an issue with it to point out that the program is very poorly made and adds a huge burden on the computer running it. I had no issue with people buying licenses for it (not my money), but I went out of my way to all but uninstall it from any computer that didn't use it daily. Yes, it's a powerful piece of industry standard software, but it's also one of the greediest in terms of cpu and ram.

[@Blood-PawWerewolf]

And the amount of crashes decreased (not by a lot, but it’s definitely noticeable on how much more stable it gets)

[@Herkan97]

@@Blood-PawWerewolf If it takes a lot of RAM, maybe you reach max memory with this software? You can use Process Explorer with an interval of 10 seconds, just to not have it update too quick that you don't manage to see it before it refreshes away the process, to check if that's what happens near the crash. Usually with Windows, you will reach max Commit Charge before Physical Memory and Task Manager seems to only report Physical Memory. It's useful if you've never cared about memory, but if you actually want to know if you're reaching max memory, you may not be able use Task Manager for that. If it crashes less, maybe it's taking longer to reach max memory. Or it's the max memory the program itself can handle, I don't know. I think 32-bit can only handle 2GB or something like that, but I've had 32-bit apps that usually crash around 1.3GB. I wouldn't know, never used anything Adobe besides this one time on the phone, I think. And that was Lightroom to backup RAW photos to the PC or something like that. But it's all a bit unclear. I have this 32-bit program that reported around 200MB on anything I could find, but I had more than 70% Commit Charge. I had high confidence it was this program taking all the memory. I close it and I believe I got back the memory, but it didn't report taking GBs of memory. It couldn't anyway. The program took more and more of my memory because I was scanning a lot of files with it. That may be why I was certain it was that program. It's a vague memory now.

[@zeus5432]

@@Herkan97 its the background processes for adobe related apps. In pirated version, those background processes and services aren't included thus eliminating the burden to the CPU and the system.

[@harrytsang1501]

This is universal between Mac and Windows. With any piece of Adobe CC software installed the computer is substantially less responsive with more stability related issues

[@TiagoCheregati]

Excelent video, Linus. Adobe also don't have the most precise color conversion engine for soft proofs when it involves overprinting spot colors and CMYK colors and/or spot colors over spot colors. But they never bothered to improve this solution at all in decades. Nevertheless, Adobe PDF Print Engine is the core of most workflow solutions for printing companies (Kodak Prinergy, Agfa Apogee and Heidelberg Prinect, for example). It's a very disgusting posture for a company that big. I plan to use straight Lab coordinates to communicate colors whenever I can. Won't even consider paying Pantone for anything else.

[@asher3491]

I got to use all of adobe programs while taking college classes when I was in high school. I graduated and was too broke to get it. But that’s what I was trained on. That’s what the professional standard was and is. When the creative cloud came around I said I’d never go back to adobe and I still haven’t. I work freelance but I mostly just do stuff for myself. Krita, procreate, and DaVinci Resolve are my best friends. Adobe has just showed that they care more about profit 🤮

[@duckmyass]

Reality check dude. All companies just care about profit. They might give it too you free for a while but that's only to try and get you hooked. Apple has done that for decades by selling macs or sometime even giving them free to schools to get students hooked because they know if a kid is kept too stupid to use a real computer that when they grow up they will have to use the worthless apple computers, because they never learned to use a real one.

[@MrDannyloco]

Krita FTW!

[@DigitalHalftones]

3:27 "Legacy documents will be fine" I can tell you from experience they won't. The conversion process when missing the Pantone color book defaults the swatch color to CMYK black (no longer LAB). Not only does it make the spot color show as black in the file it creates an issue where the spot color will print a blank page. I believe the postscript is erroring when sending these missing color books to the printer as it saying the pantone color is missing, but I'm not sure. I reported the issue to adobe but haven't heard back. As of now the only fix is to change the swatch to RGB spot color instead.

[@requiemforameme1]

Thank you for the post and your research on the Adobe forums, dude. I feel like Adobe’s response to the whole situation is just… “K”. 🙄

[@DigitalHalftones]

@@requiemforameme1 The acknowledgement is appreciated as it does take some time to figure these bugs out and how to fix/work around them. I try to break down the bugs to make it as easy as possible for the devs to recreate and fix them as I'm sure a lot of them don't see or use the software like we do so it's easy to miss problems like this. They will get around to fixing it eventually, but they tend to respond to problems based on the noise it makes. Stuff that gets voted on quickly and has a lot of responses they patch fast (like 1-2 weeks), stuff like this that only effects a few people and has a work around they'll handle in about 1-2 years. I know that sounds like a long time but I can tell you it's much better than it used to be before they launched the uservoice forums.

[@requiemforameme1]

@@DigitalHalftones All good, dude. I work in a completely different sector of tech, but have always found myself working on legacy products (call it a personality trait). In a past life, I set up a system that took Adobe-printed docs and scanned their footers via OCR to be sent to middleware to then store and index. *Any* tiny misconfig or a newline would cause the footer to overflow, throwing errors in the middleware as it was trying to receive blank pages with no corresponding header. So this video gave me some flashbacks of dealing with Adobe’s proprietary BS. As an engineer, I’d be quite happy receiving that ticket you wrote, as it’s very clear what the problem statement is, and how to reproduce. Cheers dude.

[@peturgullak4527]

Thanks for giving KZbin the idea of charging people for 4k videos

[@thetoxicend612]

I was really happy when my School changed to the Affinity Programs, paid for them once around 100€ (as a student) and im still using them. Yeah they might not be perfect but at least i can use them whenever and wherever i want! I might even upgrade the the v2 suit that they just released because why not i paid for my current programs like 3 years ago and got at least like 200 updates with Quality of life improvements and bugfixes on the House.

[@Mediaright]

The unfortunate part of this is your school SHOULD pay for Adobe CC. In them not doing so, they're not preparing you for the skills many employers will want. If pros want work done with Adobe, they'll hire people who know Adobe. It sucks, but same with many other industries. Audio is still tied to ProTools and etc, despite it being inferior in many ways.

[@devaraft]

@@Mediaright *should have not pay. Ain't no way school will pay for Adobe. Also some workflow can be done in Affinity. It's not like Photoshop has very special integration with other software

[@anony_meows]

​@@Mediarightthe education system (ideally) provides the core knowledge about your respective field. in media production, about colors, composition, technique, the whole discipline itself, and those not easily made obsolete just because you have different software system. easy 1 month retraining should do the job for any software system change. in fact i experienced it myself when our group switched from premiere pro to davinci, and i would imagine tons of companies also undergoing the same right now.

[@simonbrooks8501]

until, of course you update your OS to a version that causes issues with your "older" software.

[@thetoxicend612]

Just to clarify i made a master degree as a Cabinet Maker (Bachelor Professional) which is supposed to get me ready to start my own Business, for what i use this programs (edit a few photos, make some booklets, design a new logo for a product,…) which dont really evolve 3rd partys im happy i wasnt „pushed“ into a subscription based system. @mediaright

[@akselsgrinvalds1854]

We as a company used to have our logo colours standardised with Pantone but after they took away the option to find and match colours for free trough their website we changed to NCS/RAL. It's stupid that they had to make a system that was universal and easy to use, difficult and expensive. I am guessing that Pantone will slowly fade in popularity.

[@maikel3572]

NCS/RAL has nothing do with matching for logo's on a website. NCS/RAL is used by painters and most pantone colors dont match NCS/RAL at all.

[@TunaIRL]

You're telling me that you're printing in pantone but the cost of the sub is too much?

[@DS127]

@@TunaIRL It sounds like they had some colors and matched them to Pantone to "standardize" them. Then they switched and instead used NCS/RAL to standardize them. So they aren't really using the Pantone system now.

[@bubbles581]

Its absolutely possible to switch to RAL standard colors instead of Pantone ones. Pantone is not the only standard color set. Pantone and RAL are not 1:1 you are right about that so your standard logo color may be slightly different after the switch but for $15/user/month i think for many businesses that's an ok tradeoff.

[@maikel3572]

@@bubbles581 You can do that. But that is just giving someone bad advice. RGB has the biggest achievable range but that’s only on screen. If you ask a pro to design a logo for you, he/she would pick a color from the physical pantone guide in concurrence with the client. The guide will tell you how closely achievable the pantone will be in print and what the RGB value is. Some Pantone colors you need to stay away from because they are totally not achievable at all except only in RGB. So in the end you will get a style-guide from the designer and at least 3 logo’s for each use. 1x Pantone (print), 1x RGB (screen), 1x CMYK (print). Any other way around or cutting corners will net you a ton of problems down the road.

[@UHStudio]

That's why I've been using Affinity Photo, Designer, and Publisher since the day they came out, and purchased multiple times before they sorted their licensing with v2. In the long, run since 2015, it has been way cheaper than Adobe Creative Cloud. Also, the architecture industry as a whole has decided it's had enough off the exorbitant Adobe subscription fees and the industry has been shifting to Affinity by Serif en masse.

[@pendekarmac]

Same here. I purchased the macOS and iPad OS versions separately. The v2 universal upgrade plan is a no brainer for me.

[@spoon7053]

thats beautiful to hear. Part of the problem are the people that judge others for using alternative products. Oh, this isn’t InDuStrY stAndarD” as long as you and the people you have to work alongside can make something that’s just as good, it shouldn’t matter.

[@gundampharmacist7348]

When I was in vocational school, it was long before the time of SAAS, and for my working-class family, Photoshop alone (not to mention CS6 or the hardware to run it) would have cost us a king's ransom proportionally speaking. And yet, I, my teachers and my parents all said we'd rather do that than to go to a subscription model later, all for the reasons Linus pointed out. My family and I are craftspeople. We choose our tools well and with care, and we're willing to pay top dollar if the tool's worth that cost. SAAS, to us, has always seemed like paying to get robbed, between being given systems we don't need or the risk of software or functions we do use no longer being supported. It'd be like if we paid for the right to use the tools in our shed, and someone bolts the door if we don't pay up. For some services, it makes sense. Hardware degrades, and energy costs among others make some things like say an MMO require money to maintain. However, things like Adobe's products are different. It has been and will continue to be a blatant ripoff to squeeze ever more money out of the people trying to make a living.

[@RhizometricReality]

These corporations need to be destroyed

[@Eggsi__]

How are you a gundam pharmacist and how do I cure my gunpla addiction?

[@Pidalin]

Subscription model is catastrophe, it will destroy all software and people will have to start pirate agian because you just can't pay 100 subsriptions for software you use twice in 6 months. Those software developers must be crazy. I understand them, this system brings them easy money, but it's robbery on customer because you pay for nothing, most of that updates only bother you, they are constantly changing GUI (mostly things you don't want, every new software has always worse GUI than older version) and when something is broken, they will not fix it and when you send email to support that you have some problem, they will always say "we didn't find any problem" so it's pointless to pay subscription in most of cases. Subscription model is just legal version of some hazard machines, you constantly put money there and hope that something good will return to you one day.

[@tyawesome111]

Photoshop and Premier Elements ($150 I spent on them and I have them forever) seems like nobody else knows about these? They are an option and still seem really powerful to me, very comparable to the subscription ones

[@sonictailsandsally]

Products (like Photoshop) should only have a one-time purchasable perpetual license. Services (like monthly updates) may be subscription-based. Don’t know why they can’t seem to figure that out, which must be why the community’s common consensus is corporate greed. Unfortunately, depending on the type of business, there isn’t much the executives can do - because a decision that reduces cash in-flow may result in lawsuits from the shareholders.

[@yellowcapalex2825]

10:36 nice Futurama reference

[@MWHM2]

I studied on a Graphic Institute when I was younger. This is with all companies in that space. I remember that the school had offset printers that cost millions but they had to pay a license to use all the features… somehow it’s seen as an operational cost and ‘normal’ as they make money out of them. Nobody questions this…

[@anotheratreyu742]

It's the final nail in the coffin for me as far as Adobe is concerned. I use PS frequently and I'm comfortable there, but there are other options available and I'm willing to sacrifice a bit of convenience in order to vote with my wallet.

[@anotheratreyu742]

@@homermorisson9135 I'm on a monthly with no annual commitment as I initially only purchased with the intent to use over a couple projects and just kept it that way. Looks like the money I would have saved going annual would have been lost to cancellation fees anyhow. Yeah, the whole 50% of your remainder thing is pretty ridiculous imo - *but* people are signing onto a contract so it's not much different than defaulting on your annual bill responsibilities... (except its a fu***ng art program and not a life essential lol) XD

[@MerchPros]

This is the future of everything, "you will own nothing and be happy" you will subscribe to everything.

[@DanBennettUltra]

Kind of surprised by how you quickly skipped over the black-in-old-projects thing. Yes, the reality is Adobe CC doesn't include Pantone libraries so you can't use them, but functionally Pantone isn't the actual colour - it's the real-world colour matching. Adobe absolutely have the ability to swap out Pantone colours for the closest HEX / RGB / CMYK colour in old projects, while providing plenty of warnings and errors about the loss of Pantone real-world colour matching. They chose not to do this. Adobe chose to vandalise and destroy their customer's data by intentionally replacing all colours with black. I am not a lawyer, but I seriously hope that sort of thing can be prosecuted and someone takes up the torch on this.

[@CrossRoadsOfTime]

Another point is that they didn't have to make it go black and white. why not say before you can open this file you have to pick a different color pallet? sure you'd lose the perfectly calibrated colors, but least you'd still have colors. This would also let you use one of the likely many files that are going to have this problem to find a color pallet that best fits what your looking for and then when you go to open the other files you can set them all to that. and not have to try to recolor everything or pay for the 2nd subscription.

[@codywlsmith]

As a professional visual designer, I have completely switched to Affinity for my personal work. If my work still wants to pay for Adobe, then fine, but you cannot beat Affinity at its price point and features. It does 90% of what Adobe can do (save for some of the more niche features - Designer is still missing a Vector Trace tool and Photo doesn't have content aware fill), but it is so nice having something that I pay once for and go on with my life. I gladly gave Serif the upgrade cost from V.1 to V.2 and will do so for V.3 as well.

[@nameismetatoo4591]

Who needs content aware when you have Stable Diffusion?

[@ericthedesigner]

It's nice to have programs that don't rely on internet connection.

[@GerryRR]

Content aware fill is basically the inpainting brush...isn't it?

[@codywlsmith]

@@GerryRR Sort of, yeah. Inpainting brush is more like the Repair tool in PS. But Affinity also has Blemish Removal, which is like Repair. So Inpainting is probably the closest thing we have to Content Aware Fill. And it works pretty well too. So valid point!

[@TricksterRad]

One of the best software subscription models I've seen is the one in use by JetBrains in their suite of IDEs. They offer monthly and yearly subscription options, and don't have an explicit one time purchase option, but at the same time, after having a subscription length of at least one year, you get a "fallback license" for the latest version available one year before the end of your subscription. (The period is rolling, so, if, for example, a new version was released two months into your yearly subscription, and it had a new feature you really liked, you have the option of buying those two additional months at the end so that you can then use that new version under that fallback license) That technically makes the yearly subscription double as the one time payment option. You pay for it, download the software, (optionally) never update (or, if you do, downgrade after one year), and use it forever. Like you should *always* be able to.

[@_framedlife]

Yeah it isn't instantly apparent, I would still like a explicit purchase a software license in perpetuity option but it's nice that the offer that

[@9SMTM6]

Hmm that is interesting. Sadly I don't really like their Software (Kotlin aside, which is free and otherwise would not exist in its current shape). It's doing too much stuff in the background that I cannot rely on as an engineer because it's unreliable, behind a pay wall and needs an at times heavy and very slow Applikation, and all to often it's not even what I want. They also still resell you the same core tech in a few different packages with Intellij, CLion, Webstorm etc, when these are mostly Plugins. Admittedly they have a combined Option, but there's nothing between buying the whole suite and individual tools.

[@sid6645]

Damn thats clever

[@TricksterRad]

@@9SMTM6 I mean, merits of the software and whether it's worth it is a whole other question entirely. I use their PyCharm Community, which is free, and only really switched to it because the language features in VSCode started crashing on me 10 seconds after starting/restarting the IDE. As for the core tech, AFAIK, that part is open source and free in the community versions.

[@TricksterRad]

@@_framedlife I mean, sure, but why? The 1 year subscription already is the one time purchase option. The part about the perpetual fallback license after 1 year is actually stated on the Pricing page under the subscription options. (For 1 year billing it says "All yearly subscriptions include a perpetual fallback license.", for monthly billing it says "12 months of uninterrupted subscription payments qualify you for receiving a perpetual fallback license.") I feel like this execution is actually better than what an additional one-time purchase option at the same price as the yearly subscription would provide. (See the part about being able to extend your subscription on a monthly basis in order to get features from a version released a few months into your year-long term - if one-time purchase was a separate option, you wouldn't have that ability)

[@matthewl2284]

Doesn’t RGB or Hex code already provide the information for the exact colors? If so, wouldn’t that have PANTONE be considered useless for the use of accurate colors?

[@ShafterPlay]

That's ultimately why I bought JetBrains for coding. You pay annually for software updates and if you decide to stop paying, you still have a perpetual license for every version launched until that date.

[@GeneralZimmer]

Lol, I got a license from my school. Do you know if I get this perpetual license so I can "upgrade" my community edition?

[@lekalotte2825]

Kdevelop is a pretty good FOSS alternative.

[@4cps777]

Yeah, JetBrains' business model is pretty good although customized Emacs and (Neo)vim are way better for code editing than any of their products in my opinion (Especially if you're not a Java developer - the power of a well-written Java IDE such as IntelliJ (both CE and paid) isn't beaten easily.) I still use their font for everything, though.

[@Imolos]

Really? i thouth that if you don't renew for next year you can't use it.

[@4cps777]

@@lekalotte2825 Kdevelop doesn't even support half of the languages that the JetBrains' products do and even those which it does support aren't supported as in-depth as in JetBrains' IDEs for the most part. However, it seems like a good IDE to choose when developing with C++, Qt and QML and some Python (aka the languages that are mainly used when developing KDE stuff).

[@YouGotServed835]

Topic aside, Thank you for doing videos like this. We NEED people like YOU when the corporate shill media would NEVER do anything like this video and certainly not to this extent. MOST PEOPLE have no idea how controlled our media is, in all facets.

[@DreddLypso]

What.

[@aiTheVulture]

Linus is hard anti-piracy guy. This situation strongly affecting his way of living so here he ok with piracy. Its call hypocricity...

[@adoatero5129]

@@aiTheVulture - "This situation strongly affecting his way of living so here he ok with piracy." I think he explained pretty clearly on the video that there is more to it than just him suffering from the matter. - "Its call hypocricity... " It's called erroneous commenting caused by failed analysis caused by who knows what...

[@YouGotServed835]

@@aiTheVulture It must be nice for everything to be so Black & White for you. Life must be so simple.

[@2020-p2z]

@@aiTheVulture Uh, what? This isn't even the third time I've seen him unsubtly suggest pirating a product. Anti-piracy seems like a stretch.

[@oldbrokenhands]

Ran into a similar issue when Amazon finally killed off Comixology.

[@EposVox]

I'm so, so sick of SAAS. It's over. Affinity V2 is amazing (without all the AI innovation in Photoshop) and the current $99 universal license is the best deal you can get in creative software

[@benno373]

Im a product design student so I work with pantone colours a lot as they've become the industry standard, my university provides creative cloud but I doubt they'll be forking out for the extra pantone fee, guess I'm just going to have to either yoink the colours or use the ones Stuart semple released

[@GameplayBitFlipper]

13:11 its not the developers, its the executives...

[@ab-hx8qe]

Glad I hung onto my copy of cs6 and haven’t let myself get tempted by the sexy features the creative cloud offered.

[@kraftykactus1028]

Sounds like it's time to open-source colors

[@Man_Emperor_of_Mankind]

That would be a massive undertaking and likely wouldn't work as open source. The reason that pantone is able to do that isn't because they control "colors", what they have control over is standardized reference masters which are necessary to accurately copy and reproduce colors digitally and physically. Trying to do it open source would likely result in so many different groups competing for who is the industry-standard set of master standards, that there wouldn't be any single industry-standard and people would need to possess multiple sets of reference standards which are calibrated to independent masters. Think like if there wasn't a specific organization that had a physical master of what 1kg is, and all other 1kg standards weren't required to be calibrated to match that one single 1kg master. There would be tons of standards that claimed to be 1kg, but no single master that is recognized everywhere on the planet as being the true "this is exactly what 1kg weighs, and if you say differently you're just wrong" physical example of 1kg

[@JustSomeDinosaurPerson]

@@Man_Emperor_of_Mankind This really isn't that hard tbh We already have standardized reference masters in other areas.

[@Dave102693]

@@JustSomeDinosaurPerson such as?

[@interrobang98]

It'd be interesting if there was a pricing model where PANTONE could charge different groups different amounts based on their size. Like LTT shouldn't pay as much to ensure that LTT Orange is accurate as Coca-Cola pays to make sure their Coke Red is accurate.

[@TJJewett]

not a pantone or adobe user, but I am a sucker for a good futurama reference. Whole video is worth it for the bender quote alone.

[@frederickwerk2386]

I’m very happy that you mentioned Affinity suite. This is amazing professional at a one off low cost software.

[@blakecasimir]

Same. I bought in with v1 and been very happy with it. The new update looks great and very reasonably priced. Hope this brings them more custom.

[@aspuzling]

Affinity is great. I wonder why LTT doesn't switch to them given all the benefits.

[@Locker666332]

I would love to fully make the switch, Affinity is just missing too many features and the speed is just not there yet, even in v2, which I bought.

[@frederickwerk2386]

@@Locker666332 you are correct but they are catching up. In regards to performance, I found them much better than Adobe tools. Price wise, you just can’t beat it, often discounted but even the normal full price is great. When Adobe started, it also wasn’t perfect. Affinity is a clear labour of love and regular updates. The more support they get from us, the better they will be.

[@Mystixor]

Software as a service is the most terrible change in the world of software

[@valhallasashes4354]

I've been making these same arguments for near enough a decade now. I've never liked the concept of a subscription software service for all the reasons you just highlighted. And I'm more than happy to pay an upgrade price for major updates for perpetual use. It still amazes me how many people jumped onto Adobe's subscription service without ever bothering to ask even the most basic of questions. As a result, I still also use adobe CS2 and the latest version of Corel Paintshop Pro because I refuse to use a subscription based software service. Thanks for pointing out Affinity. I'll go have a look at them now.

[@NexuJin]

Krita is also nice.

[@YD_.]

I don’t recognize Pantone as a legitimate company anyway You can’t just own a color, you can name a color and own the name’s association to a specific color, but what gives you the right to own a color. Honestly screw any company that thinks they have the ability to license the actual colors you can see.

[@Chrinik]

Buisness magazines "Big corporation plans to monopolize their field." US legal entities "Anti-trust laws? Free market competition? What are those?"

[@tld8102]

is there a open-source colour standard we can implement? or something run by a NPF like Blender Foundation

[@deejayaech4519]

Why not just use hexidecimal color codes?

[@erushi5503]

They want us to pay for colors when we friggin have a color wheel Companies(especially european and american) these past few years getting more and more greedy

[@hof_prod]

would be awesome, but like blender we could have issues with the adoption

[@Mystikus2]

@@deejayaech4519 Because you need something to accurately translate from color value to an object irl

[@Haze-eh3vy]

@@deejayaech4519 I think the point is to have a central standard to compare a collection of colors against to ensure consistency across different materials and manufacturers.

[@badreddinekasmi8919]

The fact that they can revoke colors you've already used in old files is literally some dystopian future shit

[@volvo09]

You will own nothing!!! Yeah, f that...

[@4cps777]

Not really, that's just the nature of proprietary software and standards. Companies just usually refrain from something like that in order to avoid backlash which could cost them money.

[@microtasker]

Think about something not too far off like surgically implanted contact lenses: Your insurance runs out and you can no longer see..

[@badreddinekasmi8919]

@@4cps777 I'd understand them making it so you can't use them for further files. The fact that older files get their colors removed is absolutely nuts though.

[@4cps777]

@@badreddinekasmi8919 I do agree that it's not very moral but proprietary software and companies aren't there for morality reasons, Though I guess it sucks for people who actually use stuff like that for a hobby or as a freelancer because I couldn't image a world where access to good programming tools and documentation was proprietary or paywalled.

[@Blarnix]

It is absolutely fucking INSANE that companies are allowed to *copyright colors.*

[@AlexLitaOfficial]

4:44 KZbin in 2050: *giving people 25 unskippable ads*

[@KuroSanArts]

CS6 was the last bundle I paid for and I still use it now. I shudder to think of how much money I would have given to Adobe each year since then for features I would basically never use anyway under their subscription model. When it gets to the time when CS6 is no longer supported by a new OS, then I'll find an open source alternative. I believe Maxon has gone the same way with C4D, so it's a good job I ditched that for Blender as well!

[@linolafettatnet]

Welcome to the open source world, freedom to create!

[@maikel3572]

You’ll wake up sooner than later as Adobe will stop paying for the licenses in CS6 eventually.

[@nairsheasterling9457]

Might I recommend Krita as the open-source option?

[@agoniavr]

I've been an Affinity Photo and Designer user since they came out(bought them in 2014 and 2015 for 50€ total and got free updates and features until few months ago, which is crazy!), switched to the free version of DaVinci Resolve for video and I never touched Adobe products since then...and I'm glad I did, the more I hear or read about stuff like this the more I feel for those that are forced to use those apps can't just switch like I did, giving money to these awful companies must feel like sh*t

[@biuliu7157]

I hear you brother. Although havent used premiere, I did use Adobe products and now I have Davinci studio (Free studio sub from their cameras, a steal compared to Adobe)

[@itellyouforfree7238]

Adobe is a plagues exactly as Apple

[@agoniavr]

@@biuliu7157 exactly, also Adobe software seems to get more bloated and unreliable by the day seeing all the bugs and problems I see reported by users(I don't use their software but still keep myself up to date from time to time). Even if this wasn't the case monopolies are never good to begin with.

[@agoniavr]

@@itellyouforfree7238 not sure I'd compare the two, it's totally different areas, but none of these companies are decent anyway...and since you mentioned Apple just see this week's news that they "do not track" toggle in iOS Settings does NOT mean you're not being tracked, just that you're not being tracked by anyone besides Apple

[@TriVoxel]

My creative software is all FOSS. I know it probably wouldn't be worth it for you, but I'd recommend the following softwares as alternatives: Gimp (Photoshop image editing/filters) Krita (Photoshop digital drawing/painting) Inkscape (Illustrator) Blender (After Effects, covers all 3D needs, Premier) Kdenlive (Premier) LibreOffice (Microsoft Office) All these programs are cross-platform (available on Linux, macOS, and Windows). Hope this helps someone.

[@pro3757]

Meanwhile, all the local businesses related to photography and printing in my town still use Photoshop 6.5 (or 7) and Pagemaker 6.5 for work. 😁 No one upgrades because it may break the ecosystem of passing the files inter-business.

[@yourhandlehere1]

I still use 7. Oddly enough it still does the exact same things it always has.

[@maxonwax6172]

updates from adobe degraded over time, but they want more money literally for same product.

[@mitchellmavec]

14:50 yes -Gigachad GIMP user

[@i_teleported_bread7404]

I don't know what's worse; Adobe making people pay for colours, or Unison making people pay for chords.

[@RomboutVersluijs]

Old files actually don't stop working Linus. They will still show up in the channels and out out a proper working plate in print. Only the visual reference doesn't show in either adobe app. One very easy fix is copy over the colorbooks folder from an older version of the adobe app into the newer version. I've written scripts which still does the conversion for me and I don't need those colorbooks files actually. Works in both illustrator and Photoshop

[@cidercreekranch]

This reminds me of a vendor, who shall remain nameless, who wanted a cut of the profits on each airplane that our company sold, to use their software. The response was don't let the door hit you in the rear, since we had other options that were not as featureful but could be augmented in times.

[@atomicgearworks]

This is where companies like BlackMagic, Serif, and Corel need to step up and take advantage. Hit the market hard and show that Adobe can be replaced.

[@primiSC]

they will be like on smartphones (apple vs android companies), they will match prices and bad practicies, apple removed 3.5 jack, other did it too, apple removed wall charger and earphones, others also did, apple increase prices just because, others also did... moral of the story, costumers ALWAYS will lose!

[@TheIonizator]

Corel don't exist anymore

[@atomicgearworks]

@@TheIonizator what do you mean by that? They're still around, and still popular. They've gone the subscription route like Adobe did, but the heads of both Corel and Pantone have stated their partnership is still intact, and will remain so for some time.

[@TheIonizator]

@@atomicgearworks I just mean they changed their name lol. They now called Alludo I think

[@atomicgearworks]

@@TheIonizator sure, if you're splitting hairs.

[@Henrix1998]

2:40 but surely they used the best paper to make sure the colours fade slowly? Right? Right?

[@notweewee]

2:24 if in every 18 months someone has to buy this expensive book, then isn't a color calibrated display is more cheap.

[@germangarcia6118]

Photoshop had Pantone much earlier than 1998. Actually, it had Pantone colors before it had layers.

[@scratchcrazie7528]

these kind of videos are really good, i would have never known about this ridiculous situation if lmg hadnt brought it to my attention. thank you writers !

[@brugvp]

It's almost a moral obligation to pirate Adobe. This situation just give one more major reason to do so.

[@TheBluCosmonaut]

Affinity is an amazing tool, 100% recommended

[@WolfsHaven]

I'm almost embarrassed that I didn't know this was a thing. I've always found colors I like and documented the hex code so I had it for future use. As for Adobe I dumped them long ago for open source solutions. It actually turned me on to Open Source software. Gimp is amazing as well as Inkscape. Until Black Magic's Davinci became mostly free I actually learned how edit video in Blender. I still use it for things BMD requires the paid addition for, as well as 3D modeling. Recent improvements to Blender and AutoDesk removing features from the free version of Fusion 360 has led me to using Blender for even parametric design. For every over priced paid software there is a viable Open Source solution now days. I even donate to some of them once in a while to help keep them around. The gigantic over charging corporations really need to watch their backs. Worse then stealing from them, people will just abandon them. There are viable alternatives for just about everything in the Open Source market.

[@fredericapanon207]

@Garou Wolfs Haven, thank you for paying for some of those Open Source S/W. I do so as well, to ensure that the developers will keep maintaining it.

[@happysmash27]

Eh, IMO GIMP is pretty mediocre, and I say that as someone that only uses FOSS and has very little experience with Photoshop or anything else propreitary. I mean, I do often use it whenever I want to do an edit to an image, and I like the precision of the bucket fill for shapes with antialiasing much better than Krita where one has to manually draw it, so use it for colour swaps a lot, but... It has almost no support for nondestructive vector editing at all, which is very useful for a lot of things, and the tools aren't particularly powerful, especially when compared to Photoshop's crazy AI tools that sound miraculous hearing about them. Things like selection often take a lot of manual work and tweaking of settings. Compare that to something like Blender. Blender is amazing in terms of the powerful things I can do with it. It's so good, in fact, that when I couldn't find a good way to have very good control of how colours effect a colour ramp in GIMP, to modify a texture where the only source file was for Substance Painter (which I do not have a license for) I actually ended up separating the layers in GIMP and then using _Blender_ to edit the colours, baking them on an emissive plane, and then re-combining them in GIMP. Perhaps it could be done in GIMP, maybe by using Python scripting, but overall, I actually find that _Blender_ is better at creating textures in a lot of cases, which is just nuts considering that the workflow I'm using isn't even something its necessarily designed for, but a kind of weird workaround. Another example, is when I couldn't find a way to make a good curved gradient in either Krita or GIMP, but could do so in Blender, in 3D too (though after much effort). Overall I find GIMP really disappointing even without knowing much about Photoshop, considering that I can often get closer to what I want using software not even designed for image manipulation. To be fair though, maybe I just don't know GIMP well enough to improvise the crazy things I do in Blender, since despite learning GIMP much earlier, I probably have more experience overall with Blender, especially for advanced node things. And for the things Blender does not do as well, particularly anything relating to the manual selection of shapes from layers or pixels in an image, I do use GIMP a lot. Even there though, I imagine it would be a lot more effective if it was a bit more advanced, perhaps by having a good edge finding algorithm or even machine learning so that selecting things from non-layered images isn't quite as time-consuming.

[@WolfsHaven]

@@happysmash27 Neither Gimp nor photoshop would be right for your needs. The are both better for manipulating photos than creating images from scratch. In the open source arena you would probably want to use Inkscape or if you want to pay Adobe, Illustrator. I haven't played much with Blender for 2D images but I hear that the recent changes for Grease Pencil are amazing, especially for 2D animation.

[@happysmash27]

​@@WolfsHaven In my main example, I was referring to modifying a texture to be applied to a 3D avatar model, not creating a texture from scratch (though, I use Blender for that a lot too). Blender alone wasn't able to isolate the different parts of the texture, so I used GIMP to isolate them, then Blender (with baking) to modify the isolated parts, then combined them all again in GIMP. Regarding vector images (a separate topic), in addition to Inkscape, Krita or just creating SVG from scratch is also a good way to create vector images in my experience. Illustrator could not work for me because it does not run on Linux.

[@thedarkdragon89]

When Adobe dies, I come screaming in with my open source editing software. Who can make video's now? This guy who uses all open source software!

[@DavidGreen_au]

I'm on the Team Serif with Infinity. V2 was just released, I'll be getting the whole suite soon for $150 (and that's a licence for Win, MacOS, and iOS, and if V1 is an indicator, there will be monthly(-ish) updates for the next year or so. And as mentioned, if I really need Pantone, it's all there. It is mostly Adobe compatible, I've never had to put it to the test. Sure, it will be a brave move to switch, and there would be a learning curve to cross. And maybe the financial benefit may be an incentive to deal with any limitations. I was using Serif products before Adobe products. Mostly for PagePlus, the other products were not very powerful. It was an corporate environment that caused the switch to Adobe, but I stopped at CS5. And a few years later Infinity came out. And for the price point, and a contemporary UI, and no need to be concerned with Adobe file types, it was an easy decision. I'm starting to transition to Libre Office to avoid Microsoft rental too.

[@BoltRM]

MS Office Pro 2021 is the latest available non-subscription, one-time purchase & it's great. Can be found for < $50 #FTW

[@HM-wn2in]

Started laughing when the top pirated software came up. I remember in high school having design technology as a subject. We only had 3 1 hour lessons a week, so it wasn't enough time to properly learn the software. Went home and pirated all of those creative softwares and got great grade in my final exams. Love piracy.

[@elivegba8186]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@j.g7006]

SAMEE

[@calluxdoaron1903]

Yarr! It is always morally correct(c)

[@ireallyreallyreallylikethisimg]

Unless you're making money (main income kindof money) you shouldn't have to pay for any of this.

[@olotocolo]

Good. I will forever, ever support pirateing adobe software!

[@jasper-3338]

This feels like the sales pitch of Adobe ; "This is why we should go to the subscription models. Lets make them dependant on us."

[@RemyRooDadtoo]

The Company I used to work for a year ago, we are a printing, imaging, document and website manufacturing company. The mess this made in a few days is insane. We use adobe and pantone Exclusively. It created a huge issue that the whole company and the hire ups had to talk to all the designers, and software engineers on how to go about this... We print about 300 million peices of paper a day!

[@sirchafa8472]

There was an april fools joke about paint needing to "recharge ink" as you use it and obviously you had to pay to "recharge the ink" I saw it like 5 years ago and thought it was funny, now it's terrifyingly possible

[@atomek1847]

whats next? oxygen substriptions? o2 premium?

[@Randgalf]

A lot to unpack here but I have to pinpoint that issue of no longer owning the software in contrast to back when you bought it. In principle - and I'm not so thick that I don't realize this is not applicable to the everyday situation - there is no difference between renting access to the software as a service and owning a copy of it; it has essentially always been the former. What you're owning when purchasing a physical copy of whatever program, is the permission to use it, and the physical medium is merely the means to be able to use it. It's the thread that is going through every instance of issuing creative works for as long as the concept of copyright has existed. It's the same when you buy a record. You definitely own the physical record but you don't own the music on it, you're just owning the right to play it in certain circumstances (like on your stereo in your home, but not in a public setting). That said, I fully agree with your main point, which I unfortunately believe will get lost on most people watching this (instead going for the proverbial corporate greed blaming). The more we are letting ourselves being convinced of the convenience of service subscriptions, the less control we retain over the utility of said services. It's no different from the streaming culture that we live in where we're not supposed to buy records or physical movie media, but instead rely on Spotify and Netflix. I would like nothing more than for a cultural rollback to when you physically owned the means of distribution of a certain software, or music or movies, so that instead of relying on said corporation to provide the service, we will always have the service at hand in the form of a physical copy. But as always, the christmas we get we deserve.

[@duckmyass]

This is the reason I am still using my old adobe system from prior to the subscription bs.

[@jarionscarlight]

Man we are living in a world where literal colors are being sold to us

[@SmiIeyyXD]

Laws need to be made around the world to prevent colours from being copyrighted.

[@wakipai3D]

That's been around for a while

[@burgernthemomrailer]

@@SmiIeyyXD And if certain colors are associated with a certain brand?

[@SmiIeyyXD]

@@burgernthemomrailer Doesn't matter.

[@burgernthemomrailer]

@@SmiIeyyXD Even though the exact scenario of brands copying another brand’s color schema to pass off as them have happened already?

[@crazy_mind-ox8if]

Honestly the fact adobe makes students pay at all illustrates they're a monopoly. I'm in engineering, and all the companies give you the CAD for free, and some host competitions with cash prizes to try and gain market share. Its crazy.

[@Dollar_CoinYT]

Not that much more like a limited version (not too limited)

[@NightWolfx03]

I wish more people would see the dangers of using subscription services over owning a product. It's a slippery slope, and we aren't gaining any ground.

[@MushookieMan]

Suckers are everywhere are are funding our demise simply by buying in

[@willster2967]

Shout out davinci resolve for being the best alternative to premiere pro and it being a one time payment for the full version instead of a subscription. They're some real mfs for that

[@ThreeSixFive]

Rent to own or bust. That’s the way to fight back. I refuse to subscription pay for anything that I NEED for my business there will always be a free or ownable replacement

[@thefinalme]

The thing I say when my friends make fun on me for buying physical copies of movies.

[@simontay4851]

I don't ride a motor cycle but if i did there is no way i would pay a monthly fee for heated mirrors and grips. Absolutely not. Id just wire the heating element in the mirrors/grips directly to the battery via my own switch, by passing their greedy BS. Fuk you.