Linux Mint 22 Cinnamon Review - New Ubuntu Base, Same Mint

[@tenfourproductionsllc]

They already give you the chance to do with LMDE (debian edition). And yet 95% of LM users use the ubuntu version... The only time LMDE gets any attention is when a new version of it comes out. Mint is meant to be steady and if staying the same means boring, well, that's their goal, Linux Mint works.

[@nunagoras]

Yeah! It'a a system made with the final non techie user in mind, then it is "boring". Let it be. Once installed it's too easy to change wallpaper and system color scheme! Pretty much one for each individual in less than a minute!...

[@Cyco_Nix]

The more they have to change from Ubuntu, which is growing every release, the more it makes sense to change to Debian for its base. At some point, it becomes easier to add to Debian than it does remove/change from Ubuntu. Many believe that is the purpose of LMDE. At some point, it could become Linux Mint.

[@kenzieduckmoo]

i would say the majority uses ubuntu based LM rather than LMDE because thats the official and recommended product. If they were to decide tomorrow to no longer provide the ubuntu edition and release the next version of LMDE as "Linux Mint 23" then everyone would switch to that and the vast majority wouldnt even notice

[@Cyco_Nix]

@@kenzieduckmoo Completely agree

[@BitsOfTruth]

I believe they are close to a change. I don't see an Edge edition this time. I believe they will at some point just drop Ubuntu. But as we all have seen how they work it will be in their sweet time. And they finally do it will be a change all of us Mint users will be proud of.

[@namelessuser666]

I love the boring Linux Mint. 😁 It just stays out of the way and lets me do whatever i have to do.

[@Isjan-og4ph]

I use Linux Mint Debian Edition and it runs super smooth and very stable. Recently installed it on someone's old Lenovo T410S with Windows 7 on it. Everything works like a charm.

[@jasdeepsingh7002]

I recently installed Linux Mint on my 12-year-old Dell Inspiron N5110 and upgraded the RAM to 8 GB. It's running smoothly without any issues, unlike when it was on Windows 7, which lagged significantly.

[@mariojpalomares2514]

I think what's really going on here when it comes to politics. It's not so much of biting the hand that feeds. It's more like, if mint was to let ubuntu go. You can say goodbye to HWE kernels as well as they stated that starting with mint 22, they will be following the ubuntu kernel releases as it happens. Switching to just LMDE to replace ubuntu will lead to a serious regression because of this, creating another issue of its own altogether. Not sure this would be wise for the Mint team to do. This is probably why mint would rather deal with the politics and all.

[@VeitLehmann]

I think they could provide HWE kernels for LMDE without issues. Same with the driver manager. One major benefit of the Ubuntu-based main edition is its 5 years of support while Debian only provides 3 years. Another thing holding them back from switching might be the existing user base, because upgrading within an edition is easy while migrating to another base without reinstalling will be tricky.

[@javabeanz8549]

After watching Chris Titus try adding Ubuntu based repos to Debian, I think that I know why Linux Mint keeps the Ubuntu Base. And the downgrades are because of the crap Gnome keeps pulling.

[@ianhenshaw2930]

Mint might be boring to some, but for me it's sleek and professional looking and isn't always getting a new coat of paint. I can do everything I want to on it. I just like consistency. I have LMDE on a secondary PC and would like to see that developed further.

[@harrymason1053]

I'm a Linux distro hopper and I just got a new gaming box, although I don't do games but I like the power and speed. I run bare metal with a swapable usb drive deck and many ssds. Mint is about the best there is. You can end up with the same system, starting from any of them, but you won't do any better than Mint. I try them all. Before I got all this horsepower, and had an old, slow machine, maybe Puppy had some speed advantages but Mint was still my goto distro. Mint 22 is solid.

[@warthunder1969]

I do agree I think the Debian Edition should eventually take over. I'm sure too they are questioning doing all this work to make Ubuntu work for them. Even still driver support with Ubuntu is better... which is why I have it around on systems where I need drivers / driver support.

[@agostinhomatos321]

Obviously there are 'under the hood' reasons for still using ubuntu which we don't know. However ubuntu seems to have better driver support than debian, a more recent kernel version, plus some tools developed by Canonical that don't exist in debian.

[@ppdan]

Personally I use Debian Testing (currently Trixie). It does sometimes have a small bug but nothing that cannot be easily fixed by a linux "enthusiast". Current Kernel version in Trixie is 6.10.3

[@seanfaherty]

And telemetry

[@hopelessdecoy]

Debian is viewed as "old", "stale", ect. And that makes a lot of people not even give it a try. Ubuntu is the Linux home user flagship and a big company. I can see that as a reason to stay, new non-tech and technical people alike are likely coming from windows or Ubuntu to something popular, familiar and/or up to date. Perception is powerful.

[@istvantorok4819]

The fact is that Canonical makes a huge good jobs in Ubuntu also, not only bad things. They have more drivers, HWE kernels, etc. And as Clem said, there are bugs in Debian which are not present in Ubuntu and there are bugs in Ubuntu which are not present in Debian. Technically is hard to make a decision yet, so they keep developing for the two base together.

[@richardkenan2891]

This. The Linux Mint team gains benefits from forking off of Ubuntu instead of directly off of Debian. At the moment, those benefits outweigh (in their minds) the added effort required to strip Snaps from Ubuntu. If that changes, and looks like it's going to *STAY* changed, they'll probably jump ship. Until then, it's not unprofessional at all for them to keep using the Ubuntu base while expressing their distaste for the decisions Ubuntu is making that cause them to consider jumping in the first place.

[@MrSaywutnow]

I think the concept of an OS being "boring" is kind of silly to me, as I've found that the word is usually used as a synonym for stable or dependable. I'm still somewhat new to the world of Linux, but so far Mint does has done everything I need it to do without making a fuss. Hell, version 22 has eliminated some minor issues I was having with video playback in 21.3. If the Mint team can continue to deliver, then I'll stick with it. Jay does raise a valid point with them taking on an increasing workload with Thunderbird etc. - hopefully they can handle it. The only thing that is keeping me from using the Debian edition is my decision to build my current desktop system with a nVidia graphics card - but when I built this system I was still very much a dyed-in-the-wool Windows user. My next desktop will be an all-Linux affair from day 1.

[@renascence239]

Wayland session is still buggy as heck. I don't know when it will be finally ready. Maybe in 24

[@RonLaws]

i'm honestly glad they're taking their time. I'm all for Wayland in the future, but I don't like how rushed and unfinished it feels in other distros that have made it the default before it's reached feature parity with x11

[@Guergeiro]

My prediction is that Ubuntu 24.04 will be the last version of Ubuntu that Mint pulls from. My understanding is that removing Ubuntu's stuff is getting harder and harder so the switch may happen so that instead of removing stuff from Ubuntu, they add Ubuntu goodies to Debian. The final product would be the same, the effort would be less and maube they shift focus into other issues.

[@Jimbo-v3m]

Thats a very sensible prediction.

[@motoryzen]

6:45 to 6:59 While I definitely agree with the points you made here ...Unfortunately for me...the main reason I don't switch and can't switch to LMDE with my main rig is because any kernel lower than 6.5 won't work right with my 7900 xtx video card. I don't recall if there is a terminal command involving something like " sudo apt install linux-oem-24.04(insert letter here) -y " to install a newer kernel right out of the gate in LMDE 6 - might be something worth experimenting with - but for now..I'm sort of stuck on regular Mint

[@АлексейШилин-д1ф]

There's a newer kernel available right from official Debian backports, which is 6.9.7 at the moment and will be updated to 6.10 when it hits testing, so there is a way to solve your issue.

[@motoryzen]

@@АлексейШилин-д1ф that's good to know I'm just curious if I can install it the same way I was able to install Colonel 6.5 before was available in the update manager program that's built into Linux Mint...such as something coherent to... sudo apt install linux-oem-24.04(insert letter here without parenthesis) -y I say this because last time I call Linux Mint Debian Edition doesn't have update manager at least it didn't but I haven't checked in a while

[@EugeniaLoli]

Ubuntu works on more computers than Debian. It's more compatible, because Canonical has taken the time to go around hoops, EFI bugs etc to provide more compatibility. Debian failed to boot in 2 of my computers, or have trouble with two different wifi chips, while Ubuntu worked out of the box. And that's not because Debian used older kernels/packages, these issues were present on Debian SID as well. It's just that Debian is vanilla, while Ubuntu has done a lot of bug fixing and workaround issues to be compatible with more PCs. So, no, they're not equal. If Mint left Ubuntu, their great record of "just works" will fly away. Debian will need to do an excessive amount of patching on various parts of the system and include more drivers and firmwares by default to come close to Ubuntu's "just works" baseline. And no, I'm not really an ubuntu user, I'm a Debian-Testing one. But the truth is the truth.

[@maaifoediedelarey4335]

Nonsense, since April I installed LMDE 6 on my laptop as well as my PC (which oncludes a Nvidia gpu). On both, zero problem.

[@tubeDude48]

I ONLY use Mint. I hate the direction Ubuntu is going! 😒

[@Tsyras]

I think I have read this same exact comment for over a decade now!

[@VeitLehmann]

I guess they have been staying with Ubuntu as the base for their main edition mainly for two reasons: 1) 5 years of security updates, and 2) smaller things like the driver manager and more up-to-date packages. The latter could be easily done with LMDE. With Debian as a base, they might still need to maintain forks for theming compatibility in the future and provide Firefox and Thunderbird separately to keep them updated. But I think they will eventually switch to Debian as a base, maybe already with LMDE 7 on Debian 13.

[@KomradeMikhail]

If you like Mint, simply try LMDE for a while instead... The majority of users will never notice a difference... And the more users that switch to LMDE, the more incentive they have to switch and make it the base version.

[@TheZeroAssassin]

Except PPA's don't work in LMDE

[@linuxcelebes]

yeah, I use Debian cinnamon and LMDE on different laptop and both are very comfortable to use

[@Jimbo-v3m]

@@TheZeroAssassin also mainline kernels dont work

[@dis0nancia]

​@@TheZeroAssassinWhy do you want PPAs?

[@btiphotography5292]

@@TheZeroAssassin Although to be fair with Flatpaks and Appimages, PPAs are less important nowadays to get updated versions of software.

[@deputy899]

I want something that works not "exciting new features"

[@GeoffHalsey]

I've use Mint since version 10, got to Mint version 20, then made the switch to Mint Debian (elsie) version 5. Now on Mint (faye) version 6. As a desktop, Cinnamon very usable, with a near zero learning curve. Microsoft has a fairly close relationship with Canonical and my suspicion is that, at some point, they will buy them out. Which could lead to an IBM/Red Hat, type, situation.

[@TangBengYong]

I prefer them to stay on Ubuntu mainly because a lot of third party Windows programmes that have a linux version only support Ubuntu. Eg. games, VPN clients.

[@MrSuvvri]

What do you mean? Which game won't work with debian but Ubuntu?

[@TylereCalfina]

I'm an intermediate linux user but I still use mint because it just works and I don't have to put a lot of time or effort into it.

[@btiphotography5292]

One further advantage of LMDE compared to Linux Mint 22 (Ubuntu Base) is that I've found that some appimages that I use regularly, such as Orca 3D printer file slicer, requires older versions of certain system libraries, which are no longer installable on Linux Mint 22 (based on Ubuntu 24.04), such as libwebkit2gtk. But on the other hand you lose the ability to use PPAs to get more up to date versions of certain software. I guess it depends on what you value for a system used for productivity. More up to date software on Linux Mint 22, or a more stable base, LMDE 6 based on Debian 12.

[@mago2007]

I used mint since 2018 as my main and only OS. They should drop the ubuntu base and switch to debian

[@iconian1387]

I'm taking the leap. After about 20 years on Windows, all the crap with Windows 11 and Recall and plenty of other stuff have made me decide to switch to Linux, over the course of the next week or so. I've gone through a number of videos and eliminated a bunch of versions of Linux I don't want to use (at least to start). I've basically narrowed it down to Cinnamon Mint. But now, one more choice is presented with this video: should I go with the Debian version, or Ubuntu version? How much difference will it actually make for me as a new Linux user? Anyone care to weigh in?

[@Steve-tp6fb]

Hi - I'm in a similar position to you, but about 3 months down the line. I went with the standard (Ubuntu-based) Mint. It just works and with the new version, you get 5 years guaranteed security updates. I upgraded using the graphical tool and all I had to do was remove one repository (just clicking a box); it did the rest with no issues. I'm sure the Debian edition is also excellent, of course, but I can't speak highly enough of the standard Mint.

[@christopherwood2290]

Stick with it. Mint is so far ahead of that malware called Windows that you will hate having to use a Windows box.

[@ZacharyNoah]

The main two reasons I switched from Windows 11 to Linux Mint on my Beelink SER4 Mini PC are that my installation of Windows 11 has succumbed to permanent BSOD’s with every reboot, and that all subsequent reinstallations of Windows 11 won’t detect my system’s internal Wi-Fi card anymore. Fortunately, this isn’t my first time using Linux. Other than the fact that Linux Mint detected my internal Wi-Fi card right out of the box, Linux Mint overall is much faster than Windows 11 ever was. For my installation of Linux Mint, I created and mounted the / and /efi partitions on my primary 1TB NVMe SSD, and the /home partition on my secondary 2TB SATA 2.5” SSD.

[@LinXnerd]

I agree. I've been using mint for several years and it's my go-to distribution. But, there is nothing wrong with the Debian Mint and I would gladly switch to it and use it exclusively. Unless, of course, I want to install Fedora on a drive or partition. ☺️👍

[@ZacharyNoah]

I recently got my Beelink SER4 4800U Mini PC back up and running. Two years after having used Windows 11 on my system, the OS finally succumbed to a permanent BSOD with every reboot and all subsequent reinstalls have completely stopped detecting the built-in Wi-Fi. I’ve ultimately given up on Windows 11 and switched to Linux Mint, which detected the Wi-Fi right out of the box. Fortunately, I’ve used Linux Mint before. For my Linux Mint setup, I’ve created and mounted the / and /efi partitions on my primary 1TB NVMe SSD, and the /home partitions on my secondary 2TB SATA 2.5” SSD.

[@fabricio4794]

Linux Mint is Life,glory to Linux Mint.

[@epicaction1755]

Reading the LM Blog clears up a lot of the issues that he speaks to in this video

[@GeertGoossens]

well you mentioned casually that it now uses pipewire but that might be a big feat because for some reason bluetooth headsets with mic didn't work well with the previous audio stack... so this might finally be a solved issue (only figured this out when during covid I bought a bluetooth headset to make conf calls... and that pretty much sucked from linux... something to do with switching between audio calls and listening to music profile broke the whole thing badly...)

[@robertmurphy9320]

LMDE kernels are too old. That is why must users use Mint basic.

[@samsowden]

most users use mint basic because its presented as the default option. I doubt most people look deeper than that.

[@АлексейШилин-д1ф]

Mint basic literally had kernel 5.15 when LMDE was on 6.1. And just like regular Mint, LMDE has newer kernels available.

[@immamark77]

@@АлексейШилин-д1ф yeah but by default its shipped with the 6.1 kernel which could lead to issues if a new user is installing on newer hardware

[@OcihEvE]

I downloaded a copy of LM a few days ago, exclusively for the ROCm support and rocminfo is a blank sheet, AMD have almost exclusively Debian guidance for getting ROCm up and running, so looks like I need to go back in time to find the LM that is useful. Or switch to something that isn't trying out for the cheerleader squad.

[@JohnnyThund3r]

Seems inevitable now that Linux Mint is just going to need to switch to Debian full stop. Honestly I think it's canonicals fault by forcing snaps for programs where snaps are unnecessary. Like I get why they are doing this, because they want to simplify support tickets, but at the same time, they are cutting off all the cool distros that are based off of Ubuntu from implementing their own base software repository which is very much needed for some of them. Kinda questionable motives about why they would do this, but ultimately it makes me wanna get away from anything Ubuntu based to avoid lock-in. I mean I'm on Arch now so... 🤷‍♂

[@wisteela]

Agree 100%, they need to switch to basing it on Debian. I'm staying on 21.3 though anyway for now for a few reasons.

[@mr.2Creative]

Hi, great vid thanks! In your experience do apps run faster on mint vs ubuntu installed on identical older machines?

[@LearnLinuxTV]

Not really, there's no discernible difference that I've noticed personally.

[@paulscarlett4346]

LMDE is my daily driver. I left Microsoft's Windows for LMDE after 30+ years. I would strongly support LMDE as the base for Linux Mint 23 for all the reasons you mention. Regardless, Linux Mint is a great replacement for Windows.

[@peterk6797]

I'm still pretty novice with Linux, which is why I decided to install Mint as dual boot with Windows. I now use Mint for 98% of all my needs. I was pleased to see that this recent Mint update from 21.x to 22.x had a kernel upgrade from 5.x to 6.x. I get the stability and dependency on Ubuntu, but it just feels like things have been changing so fast on the hardware side (ARM >> x86 CPUs - SnapDragon Support, etc) that people with the newest hardware will NEED a newer kernel that is also stable. Let me know if I'm wrong, still consider myself new to this space and this is just my perception.

[@Sub0x-x40]

mint is great. it was my first distro, and now i use arch which is probably alot better except for the fact that it literally took me like 3 weeks to configure and still has annoying shit i have to fix and little things breaking every now n then. like the godammn lock screen. mint just worked has alot of bloat but barely a thing went wrong and i riced it in like 4 hours

[@Sub0x-x40]

oh except for my blutooth headset. this was as equally painful on mint as arch

[@peterk6797]

@paulywalnutz5855 last time I tried installing Linux (was either Ubuntu or mint) roughly 6 years ago on a mini PC it was a nightmare. Mini PCs in general have laptop hardware, laptop hardware has specialized drivers, mostly only windows compatible, so some things didn't work. The 2nd pain was trying to get the computer connected to hdmi to a large screen tv, it didn't detect the screen. Then I checked help forums and everyone else had problems hooking to tv because 'reasons' and tons of crazy instructions to fix that were all different but none worked.

[@yurimodin7333]

@@Sub0x-x40 bluetooth sucks even on windows

[@jagdtigger]

A healthy amount of disagreement in a team is not a bad thing. If they agree on everything that is not a team but an echo chamber, which is very bad......

[@FunkyELF]

cool mouse pad... missing detach though right? ctrl+b, d

[@AaronLinux]

Loved Linux Mint 21.3, but Mint 22 "Wilma" feels like it was rushed out faster than Fred sliding down that dinosaur at quitting time.. Now my Python environment is locked down by the system's package manager, and pip install throws a fits unless I tack on --break-system-packages. Why make things this complicated? Plus, the out of the box audio issues are making me feel like I'm stuck in the Stone Age. Going back to 21.3 at least there, I don't have to fight my system just to get some work done.

[@Richardpasquinucci]

i dont have the matrix installed on my mint distro. How do I get it? I tried sudo apt install matrix and it gave me an error

[@FreePizza007]

I had Linux mint 22. Older pypy, python, docker versions on the official repository. So I stopped and moved to Debian 12.6 at the time as I needed updated ones.

[@maaifoediedelarey4335]

You set up a straw man argument. SNAPS aren't what LM wants, so they drop it. They also make various other tweaks to make LM very different than Ubuntu. It's good.

[@sanderhulsman-m1k]

The mint developers have their own reasons why they don't want snap packages. Why is that unprofessional. Is Debian easier for systemadminstration then Ubuntu?

[@RustieBrown]

How do I change the folder backgrounds in Mint 22?

[@lofiworld___]

I use Linux mint 22 cinnamon for some days and I feel that it is very much snappy than windows 10 on a n3700 laptop.

[@chaslinux]

Another great video Jay. 6:07 - I wonder how much of the base is still Ubuntu? One of the things I noticed with Mint XFCE 21.3 was that Steam had an issue in that I also ran into with Steam on Debian, but that issue wasn't present in Xubuntu 22.04. So it almost seemed that maybe they repackaged Steam in 21.3 based on Debian, rather than Ubuntu?

[@jamesdim]

I'd rather have the latest ubuntu based packages rather than older (even though more stable) debian packages. I also want the latest kernel. So the ubuntu base makes more sense for me.

[@АлексейШилин-д1ф]

Ubuntu LTS packages are about the same as Debian packages, and who "wins" is determined by who was released last. Currently Ubuntu LTS is on 24.04 so it has newer packages than Debian 12 released in 2023, but when Debian 13 comes out in 2025 it will have newer packages than Ubuntu 24.04 and subsequently Mint 22.

[@Jimbo-v3m]

Also its a fact that ubuntu itself has been tested and found to be one of the FASTEST Debian based distros.

[@turtlewax3849]

Personally, Mint is still based off of Ubuntu so they can move the Ubuntu users over to Mint. Mint is great and I hope it helps new users of linux to have the stability of a daily driver and still deliver the customizability and awesomeness Linux has to offer as a whole.

[@mchenrynick]

Could you do a video on LMDE vs LM basic? What issues should I expect on LMDE? I'm currently on LM 21.3 basic (the Ubuntu backed).

[@ShinyHelmet]

There's no nice Nvidia driver installer on the Debian Edition of Mint, so you have to do it manually, and packages aren't updated as much in Debian. You're also stuck with whatever kernel it ships with until the next new version is released, so newer hardware may not be supported. Mint Debian uses kernel 6.1 and (apart from small kernel updates) will stay that way until the next release of Mint Debian, probably in 2025.

[@laletemanolete]

I don't know what is holding them to make LMDE their standard.

[@NorthernChimp]

Driver support, and kernel updates.

[@theophilus7422]

I am planning on abandoning Windows altogether for Linux. Mint happens to be my preferred choice. I am most interested to see and learn how much driver support these Linux OSs provide, especially for GPUs.

[@christopherwood2290]

It is great. Especially on the AMD side as it is baked into the Kernel.

[@ZacharyNoah]

@@christopherwood2290 Speaking of AMD, I’m currently running Linux Mint on my two-year-old Beelink SER4 Mini PC, which currently has the following technical specifications: Processor: AMD Ryzen 7 4800U at 1.80 GHz (8 cores, 16 threads, up to 4.20 GHz) Memory: 64GB DDR4-3200 (upgraded from 16GB) Storage: 1TB primary NVMe SSD (upgraded from 500GB), 2TB secondary SATA 2.5” SSD Graphics: AMD Radeon RX Vega 8

[@rcdenis1]

I've been using Mint since version 18 on the same 2008 Core 2 Duo laptop. However, after upgrading to Mint 22 my laptop slowed down to the point that it became unusable. I decided to go back to 21.3 and it's s a shame because my laptop is in perfect shape.

[@yt2100]

Maybe try the LMDE version of Mint. I'm not aware of any migration path from LM to LMDE, so you'll have to install from scratch, but if you backup your /home folder, it should make it very easy to get up and running again from a LMDE fresh install.

[@TruthProvider]

Thanks for the warning -- I also use a Core2Duo... I'll stick with version 21.x.... it works great for me, so I won't mess with 22.

[@rcdenis1]

@@TruthProvider update: I made a disc image of my 21.3 setup with Rescuezilla as a precaution and proceeded to do a fresh install of LM 22 and it works fine now. It seems that upgrading from 21.3 to 22 didn't work for me.

[@TruthProvider]

@@rcdenis1 Thanks for the follow-up.

[@drumpf4all]

I don’t care about Politics and any infighting and all that jazz. All I know is that the distro is awesome and another home run for mint. The only real complaint I have is the dark mode on libreoffice. You can’t see some of the icons in the menu’s especially in the spreadsheet. You said they pay attention to detail….not there.

[@Uggehbuggeh]

Just change the icon set -> functions -> settings -> show -> iconthemes, i use Sukapura (SVG+Dark) which works well for me, Colibre(SVG+Dark) is my second choice, theres a few more you can try out!

[@mirakle9375]

That's not the distro's fault. I've had the same thing happen to me on KDE Plasma with the Breeze icons. It's an issue with LibreOffice itself, but it can be fixed by manually changing the icon theme in the settings.

[@NathBeLive]

I personally haven’t used it, but I imagine LMDE supports Debian backports. Which you could download a newer kernel which seems to be the main problem. Idk about driver support. Maybe I’m missing something but seems fine to me.

[@AdamuMusaAdamu-o8y]

Hey Mentor I have question, My Ubuntu 24.04 is not connecting with my school WiFi (public WiFi) but when I try to connect it with my phone hotspot it will connect perfectly please I need more light ❤

[@Fahrenheit38]

I'm a Windows user now and want to get off, i've been researching what Linux I should use. Should I use Mint or Debian? Really want something easy to use that I can use whatever it's called that Steam uses to run WIndows games on Linux.

[@christopherwood2290]

Mint. Steam with Proton works great. You use Mint for a while and you will truly realize how bad Windows is.

[@DrFrankNStein-sf2ww]

I want the old Taskbar back ! I hate this automatic grouping of windows.

[@markh.6687]

I believe long-term LM is going to migrate to all-Debian versions, given its unhappiness with Ubuntu's forcing of Snap, et al. on users. Other than the mess that LM 20 was (and admitted to by LM, no less), they have gotten so much right over time that the move to Debian seems inevitable.

[@kenzieduckmoo]

Id like to see your take on Bazzite, as it seems to have taken over from Arch as the gaming linux distro

[@repairstudio4940]

Looking forward to try Cosmic desktop environment.

[@verablack3137]

I think it is only a matter of time before Mint migrates to Debian fully, I can't understand why they use Ubuntu anyway.

[@sovereignman6951]

Tried an upgrade from 21.3 doesn't work. Never upgrade just bite the bullet and do a fresh install then spend hours trying to fix your Firefox profile, reinstalling evreything you had etc. Not fun, Firefox has passed its sell by date, it never keeps your profile anymore.

[@TheLionAndTheLamb777]

Mine failed as well.

[@nxzstudio8495]

i used Mint for years but gave it up with the changes ubuntu made. I know the LMDE version exist and i honestly think they should just abandon ubuntu and move on. however it did force me to change and i must admit i have grown fond of using Gnome on Fedora, though i do miss Mint.

[@Mackenway]

What are the arguments for *not* making LMDE the flagship edition? Apparently Debian has a reputation for having old software in its repo (I've never used it myself) - is that the issue?

[@wojtek-33]

Yeah, I assume that is part of the issue.

[@MiningForPies]

Software and drivers.

[@linuxcelebes]

repository issues can be added with flatpak for new software

[@MiningForPies]

@@linuxcelebes flatpaks are inefficient, they are better than snaps, but still not a panacea. And they don’t address drivers

[@avidwriter2882]

I think they will go heavier into the Debian version for 23 if Ubuntu keeps doing what it's doing.

[@burakakyon4319]

I am beginner to Linux. I have macbook air 2019 and it is getting slower. Ubuntu or Mint, which one works better for me?

[@ninjadelsud5641]

Mint

[@haplozetetic9519]

Try running each from a live iso to find out which works best on your system.

[@Jaxon-c4k]

Maybe your macbook is being slowed down by junk files and or maybe you need to trim your SSDs.

[@thisawe]

guys tell me how to updates bios in linux , my linux mint after rebooting always black screen

[@gmasterdude]

Or you could install Debian testing with the Cinnemon desktop.

[@chromerims]

Thoughtfully considered, thank you. Great show as always 👍 Kindest regards, friends and neighbours.

[@LinXnerd]

We Limux Mint people should help the Debian team out as well. 🤷‍♂️

[@ijhuana]

Driver manager and the possibility to update kernel are way to vital to just drop them. Until there is a solution for those. Ubuntu it is a necessity evil.

[@hiYouareaclown]

When I switched to debian12.6+kde, I realized what it meant to be really relaxed. Linuxmint had many rough edges, and it didn't support wayland yet. Giving up on it was the best choice.

[@Jimbo-v3m]

I cant stand KDE ...... hundreds of choices that ALL look the SAME

[@cugansteamid6252]

Hands down the best distro of all time! /s

[@snapcaselled1201]

only linux mint 21.3 mate ubuntu version that I don't have issue playing 1920x1080 @30.00 FPS video using vlc. It play smooth unlike LMDE it stutter you need to configure Input/Codec on settings still not smooth after that. I use 10 year old acer laptop with 8gb ram

[@ChrisR-o5z]

Let's take something that's great and ruin it yea!

[@parthrajput2824]

It lacks libasound2 and is not available for installation for Ubuntu24 hence Linux Mint 22 also lacks it making it impossible to install apps like DaVinci Resolve

[@angelnaydev5801]

Hello, I updated my mint from version 21.3 to 22 yesterday

[@Jimbo-v3m]

you are a bit late hahaha

[@cameronbosch1213]

6:17 - 6:20 Oh gee, I wonder what that option is... 😂

[@krishnandudey7622]

I think centos was extremely stable. More than Debian ones

[@hadeseye2297]

5:54 Mint's history begins in 2006. 2006. So what is so silly about mint team having problems with current decisions of canonical? Mint is 18 years old. Also its goal was always to be better than ubuntu. Mint is doing same thing canonical was doing with Debian. A spin of it. No wonder they have something to say. Especially when it comes to .deb vs snap. The pt all ubuntu users are using comes from mint. You had apt-get before that. Small change but making life a little bit better. Cinnamon is yet another one. Not that ludicrous Unity that was used in 2 or 3 distros that ended as quick as they showed up.

[@anjanbora7943]

U r my favourite penguin 🐧🌺

[@michaelwright2986]

I agree that a Debian base is the future, and I imagine the Mint developers believe that too. But I don't think they're being "oppositional defiant"; what I've seen, at least, is explanations about how and why they're going further from the Ubuntu base--and the reasons look pretty good, and are the result of a change in direction by Ubuntu (and Gnome). It's not like they're the only people who based their distribution on Ubuntu: they just care more about the details than most, and they are also very slow in their changes, which is why it is the reliable distro its users love. I guess the big problem with Debian is choosing whether to go with Stable, which is the obvious choice, but could result in Mint ending up being even more behind with the kernel than at the moment. I guess they're working on it. I've just been through another cycle of distro hopping, looking for something for really old laptops. Still haven't found anything I prefer to Mint.

[@nickcharles1284]

Add me to the list of those wondering why Linux Mint isn't just exclusively based on Debian.

[@Riverboat374]

I'm running 21.3, and I don't see any option to upgrade. Do I have to reinstall from scratch to go to 22?

[@b0t123]

The upgrade is rolled out gradually

[@aMartianSpy]

sudo mintupgrade

[@decoydave]

Not just run the mintupgrade tool and follow the on screen prompts. Takes about 10 minutes or so and is easy for a beginner like me.

[@PaulaXism]

There are a few things to be very aware of.. Do you have any desktop customisations like themes and fonts?.. They are set in 2 places and if you don't revert to defaults before upgrading it will break and give an unusable system. BTW I'm still on 21.3 as well .. xfce version.. as the newer kernel and graphics driver don't play nice together with firefox on my old hardware.

[@Riverboat374]

@@decoydave Yup, I found it and have upgraded both my PC and Laptop. Thanks.

[@chad_8313]

It won't matter how much Mint or Linux altogether improves. No one is moving to it for desktop use. The only growth from Linux is from the Steam Deck. I will admit I prefer Mint 22 and KDE environments over Windows 11. But not enough to give up some of my games, peripheral support, and other conveniences such as full HD streaming.

[@christopherwood2290]

Nobody really cares about your anecdotal garbage.

[@billpapadopoulos9650]

i dont have matrix preinstalled on the 22 version

[@javabeanz8549]

Fresh install or upgrade? That could make a difference.

[@MohanRam]

I 100% agree with you. Don't bite the hand that feeds you. I think they don't want to fully go Debian because they will have to undertake a lot of work that Ubuntu does on the kernel side.

[@thomas-i5o7h]

Hello. Yes, I'm a subscriber. I was a long time Mint user but my laptop died and so did my printer at the same time. I have a question for you and I know you might not know the answer. I have been looking for a linux compatible printer for over a year now and I have come up with NOTHING. So, do you happen to know if the new Mint is printer compatible ? If it is, which make and model of printer should I consider purchasing ?

[@michaelwright2986]

I was using an old Canon Pixma (8520 or something close) printer and scanner on WiFi, and had no problems with Mint (or any other distro I tried). I broke the Canon, so I now have a Brother combined inkjet/scanner MFC J4440DW, recently discontinued model, connected by Ethernet cable, and it showed up as available under Mint without my doing anything. I might not be able to get at all its little tricks, but I print and scan, print colour and b+w, single sided or duplex.

[@jim7smith]

For many years I have used brother printers and scanners, they are great with linux Do NOT use HP printers....they are very persnickity and difficult to deal with on linux and windows for that matter.

[@dansanger5340]

My Epson EcoTank printer (ET-3760) was discovered automatically on the network and seems to print fine. I haven't tried scanning.

[@thomas-i5o7h]

@@dansanger5340 Thanks for the info !

[@Jimbo-v3m]

ALWAYS use brother printers if you use linux

[@ksl927]

I've tried 8 distros as a new user from windows and mac..I've come down between Mint & Zorin.

[@Jimbo-v3m]

forget zorin ....linuxlite is way better than zorin.

[@ksl927]

@@Jimbo-v3m I’m not a big fan of xfce desktop in general which Linux lite uses, I eventually downloaded Manjaro & Zorin alongside Windows 10, they both offer 4 different desktop environments to choose from at no charge.

[@Jimbo-v3m]

@@ksl927 Ive used them all. I ALWAYS keep a version of MXlinux installed to use as recovery toolbox but my daily driver is mint.

[@zweiwing4435]

if Linux Mint can run Androids apps as integrated.

[@fordonmekochgalenskaper5665]

The reason that Linux Mint exist is because Canonical made some decisions that they didn't like and then they create an own distro and took the parts they like and abandon parts they don't like. LMDE is great but have older packet and had no easy way to add newer packets before flatpak

[@louise-w54md]

Why I won't use LMDE and don't want Mint team to ditch Ubuntu base? Two reasons: abysmal driver support and dusty old packages. Debain? hawk thuuu NO THANK YOU

[@JoeSmith-pu9hi]

Mxlinux has better driver support. Just need focus on debian.

[@Jimbo-v3m]

@@JoeSmith-pu9hi agree mxlinux is on top for that and super fast also

[@ddanrich]

Why does it hate Plex ?

[@TheZeroAssassin]

Eh? Plex works fine on Mint

[@TheHolan]

so, what you want to say is, that linux mint is a very good system??? 😄

[@cameronbosch1213]

7:04 Or something you forgot to mention: The Flathub drama in Linuc Mint 22.

[@Jimbo-v3m]

i dont like ANY sandboxed packages .....nothing wrong with .deb packages

[@drishalballaney]

casually flexing 32 cores (4:22)

[@ca3891]

Love the SU⚡DO T shirt.

[@bobbyfried7478]

thus more reasons for lmde to exist...it will see it's day.