Linux Needs a Better Video Editor - Kdenlive Isn't It

Today I trant about my issues with kdenlive and the state of video editors on Linux.
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#rant #linux #thelinuxcast

[@quantumtacos]

One really helpful and underrated thing that a non-programmer can do is create high quality bug reports. It takes time and effort to create a good report, but reproducing a bug is half the battle and if you can enable a developer to reproduce your bug then you've really helped lower the barrier to getting it fixed. It's easy to think that a developer must already have noticed an obvious bug, but after years of being on both sides I can say it's mostly likely the case that no one who can fix the bug has noticed the bug. Generally when a developer encounters a bug first-hand they'll become quite excited to fix it, but the excitement doesn't occur until they see it on their own computer because only then can they be 100% sure they can fix it. So when someone posts on github "I'm able to reproduce this" they aren't just letting you know you aren't alone, they're declaring that the bug report was successful and that they'll be able to fix it now.

[@TheLinuxCast]

I do submit bug reports. I also give money. I do what I can. Of course some.of the comments here make me want to stop complaining about things because apparently I have no right to do so. 😭

[@revcliff]

Not just bug reports (although that is critically important), but also assistance in formulating spec documents and a roadmap. As a commercial developer, this impacts both OSS and commercial software. Without knowing where you want to go, you end up with too much "this would be neat to have" and not enough tedious "this needs polished up". Those who use the software to get things done and don't code are an excellent resource. For example, I'm sure you've run into programs where it doesn't remember the last folder you opened a file from when you do file --> open. It seems like a simple thing, but without it, a user can waste time every day navigating to open different files in a specific folder because of a poorly implemented File->Open dialog box.

[@unklebonehead]

It's not bug reports that will fix it. What will fix it is for the devs to stop trying to push something new in every fricking version. Once it gets to working for every one STOP!. And work on new stuff while keeping security or minor bugs. Kdenlive only seems to work every other version. Same with Shotcut. Pitviti absolutely never works.Olive seems like its abandoned. Others documentation is way behind (looking at you Kdenlive, Blender, Cinelerra) Matt is 100% correct with all of these complaints here. There is no excuse for this kind of crap and it only server to fuel the fire to people that say that OpenSource software sucks.

[@unklebonehead]

@@TheLinuxCast Never stop complaining. We need people with you size of voice to be the loudest when it comes to these things.

[@Grinch1]

I still don't get it why linux youtubers refuse with a passion to use Davinci Resolve , it's available on linux it has world class color correction , it's backed by BlackMagic Design which also makes some of the best cameras in the world but for some reason everyone recommends and then complains about kdenlive. Don't mean to sound bitchy but it's frustrating when people get on this opensource stuff like it's some sort of a holy grail, sure it's nice for home use but in any kind of professional situation all that matters is the best software to help you get the job done , be it open or closed source. Also congrats on you improving with your speech pattern thing , it takes courage to admit your defects and work to overcome them , big A+.

[@TheLinuxCast]

I dont refuse. As I said in the video can't get it to run.

[@JahidulIslam]

@@JamesSmith-bx8xu You need opencl from amd proprietary driver, whuich can be easy or difficlt to install depending on the distro. Nvdia is better supported. Anything 3D animation, vfx, simulation work in Linux, nvidia has ,uch better support in Linux.

[@LevisRaju]

@@JamesSmith-bx8xu I've got a Ryzen 3500U laptop with no additional graphics card; I was able to run the application in Linux but it couldn't play videos (😂) Most probably because of the graphics driver. In Windows, Resolve runs fine with the same configuration.

[@coinerus7931]

What I don't like about Davinci is that you have to switch between so many windows all the time. It has many features I don't need.

[@RogueRen]

After using Kdenlive for a year on Linux I seem to be the only person without any issues who LOVES the software. I even do "fancier" edits with transitions, visual fx, audio fx, some basic animation and rotoscoping, etc. I get ocational crashes, but it's backup system is so reliable that the rare times it does crash I just open it again and it restores basically everything. Now granted I use the Ubuntu PPA version on Pop!_OS rather than a community build on Arch or Gentoo.

[@steve___prince]

I love Kdenlive, even using it on both Feren OS and Windows. Learn a lot from this channel: kzbin.info/door/jfJAnIcDMooa6sZXpL74RA

[@palladini9718]

It works great for me also, never have I had an issue with Kdenlive.

[@NijiDash]

Same for me. Kdenlive used to be unusable the previous time I tried it out, with unacceptable render times and just being buggy all the time. Might have been something to do with when I was still using Windows, but I don't know. After installing Fedora on most of my systems, I had to have some kind of video editor with good video format support (so no DaVinci for me) and was surprised to see how good it actually works (in my case). Only gripe is some strange viewport flickering in Gnome/Wayland when performing a gesture, and the fact that changing frame rates messes up the timeline. That's not to invalidate Matt's thoughts, BTW. I mostly use it for simple things like cutting videos and I can understand that things can get buggier as you ask more of the software. In that case, I can certainly understand being frustrated by the amount of features being added, instead of bugs being fixed.

[@ron2099]

Can we edit in more than one timeline in Kdenlive.... Like sequence in premiere pro

[@RogueRen]

@@ron2099 YOU CAN NOW! The newest release just added nested timelines

[@mishrav77]

I heard DistroTube was playing around with Blender's video editing tool , might be a good choice ...

[@RuiBarros]

Davinci Resolve is better in my opinion than Premiere. And I've been using the adobe app for over a decade. I switched a few years ago, don't miss a thing. The workflow is better, the motion graphics capabilities are bigger, the color gradation is amazing, the editing process is ergonomic and streamlined. But the big but. I only use it on my windows machine. On linux it only works with a certain file extension, and the installation can be a hassle. So when on linux I use shotcut or kdenlive. I think shotcut has a good and fast renderer. But yes, I know what you mean. It's a shame that Davinci on linux is kind of broken.

[@OcteractSG]

You want stable? Debian, my dude, may be for you. (L0L, I know you probably won’t leave Arch/Arco just for Kdenlive.) My rule is to at least look at my video on KZbin before publishing or scheduling the video to ensure the quality is good and nothing major was missed. I try to catch that stuff sooner, but I always have a final review. I even try to keep Kdenlive open throughout the whole process so that I don’t lose my edits if I’m uploading immediately after editing.

[@theperson7718]

This will sound funny but give Blenders video editor a try. Some KZbinr tried it and loved it.

[@bostickdoesmusic1746]

I have the same issue with Kdenlive that I do with pretty much every KDE app - everything feels like it's in beta. They're pretty and the features they keep adding sound great, but that doesn't matter if it's constantly crashing on you.

[@jaaxxone]

It's not an issue with bugs or coding. It's an issue with KDE development in general. Ever since KDE 4 the attitude of the developers has been "don't like it? Too bad." Check the issues on almost any K project and see how quickly any feature requests are closed or how many years bug reports are open for simple things like file management issues. Stop it with the damn feature bloat and fix the bugs and the usability of the apps!

[@ot6524]

The presets changing is also an issue in Krita. You can save different brush types in the quick-access menu, and customize their properties. However, in at least two major Krita updates, they reset the quick-access menu to show off new brushes. The old brushes are still in the program, but I had to re-search for them and re-customize them to restore my workflow.

[@luckyowl10]

I feel like this a KDE problem in general. They make incredible software and a sleek modern DE, but I can never get into it, because it's never stable, it always some problems. When a version get pretty solid, the new one comes out and we are back to square 1. If they made a separate stable version of everything (software and DE), it would be great. I am not talking about LTS, which is more about having the same old problems in KDE, but to have an LTS which gets all the fixes from newer versions backported into LTS.

[@gtak-welder]

Have you looked at Cinelerra? It hasn't been updated in a while, but it's a project that goes back over 20 years, so it should be more stable. I dabbled with it years ago, and it wasn't the prettiest, but it was functional.

[@keikogaming]

Nailed it once again. You are such a blessing to the Linux community, Matt.

[@fecklesstech929]

Sometimes Kdenlive crashes if I use an old, low-end system (It was crashy on my ThinkPad T420!). If I use a relatively modern computer with at least 8GB of RAM it runs fine for me. Very stable 90% of the time. Even if it seizes up I can reboot and get back to where I left off. Oh--and the price is right!

[@xeon.1]

Care to try Blender?

[@friedrichdergroe9664]

Blender is a whole ocean of possibilities, but it is not without its own problems.

[@xeon.1]

@@friedrichdergroe9664 Wait... are you saying that perfect things don't exist? I thought they did...

[@unklebonehead]

Blender has a really easy video editor. But the problem I find with it is the render time. Frame by frame in real time. Way too slow to be practical for a daily KZbinr.

[@friedrichdergroe9664]

@@unklebonehead True that. I did use it to create a video meme. and it did take time to render. Not so sure if I would want to use it to edit video over, say, Kdenlive.

[@damolin77]

I agree with you Matt. Have you tried Olive Video Editor?

[@nei1202]

he said in the video it's in alpha and feels like it's in alpha

[@zaniki7307]

Hey I think I know what happened with your issue with the 12 minute video was a bigger file size than your longer video. It is due to the fact that Kdenlive uses FFmpeg as its rendering tool and uses CRF(if you are not using the experimental hardware excellaration which will use CQP, which does a similar thing) as its rate control. CRF is practicaly a quality preset which will change the bitrate use to meet a certain quality standard. If your video has more movement or detailed things in it, it will raise the bitrate it for that part of the video to maintain the quality of which you set(0 CRF = highest quality, 51 CRF = lowest). That smaller video might have had things that would require more bitrate to encode so it ended up with a larger file size. I hope this helps! (even though I am a few months late)

[@nir8924]

TBH i can't see how the word "deserve" belongs to anything FOSS. looks like you had a really bad editing day :) should have cut out the first half completely, write an email or something to the KDE team with the content of the second half, and maybe just stop editing completely (see Zeos Reviews for example). not bashing you or anything, sounds like you're just pissed off, but you're pissing off many others who worked so hard for you ...

[@TheLinuxCast]

Click bait title.

[@nir8924]

@@TheLinuxCast well .. yes .. and no. On one hand, I honestly think that you contribute to linux/community/FOSS etc. way more than others (me included unfortunately) with your channel but look at some of the comments, some people actually agree with you and don't get that it's a click bait. Again, I appreciate your contribution and totally get where this vid came from but I think it didn't come out as well as you meant it to be 😔

[@unklebonehead]

@@nir8924 Its not the title we agree with. Its the actual content of the video.

[@Phoenixwizard77]

I use kdenlive and have the same problems. In their defense having come from being a windows lifer to a Linux user. Kdenlive is still better than most free alternatives for windows as well.

[@horiciOwO]

Anything above Adobe CS6 is utter pain, cc is full of unfinished half assed features that get obsolete in 2 years. Apparently blender can be used as a solid video editor but I haven't tried it yet. Resolve seems to be the most promising but I wouldn't want to run it under linux.

[@mikemarcum9407]

I've never used Kden for anything so I can't personally make any judgments. However, I''d like to suggest the same thing I did with using Gimp. I hated it at first so I used whatever I could to get by. BUT, I forced myself to use it every day for something... Sometimes I'd just pick a feature I knew I'd use a lot then open an image and work at it till I could say.. ahhhh, so that's how to do it. I find Olive to be the same... yes it's alpha but it hasn't crashed on me in a long time. Just a few weeks ago I actually got DiVinchi installed on my desktop. Unfortunately we are going back to Mx for another 6 months and leaving just a few days from now... Not much time to use it before we leave. Anyway, I feel your pain and have seen other YT videos complaining about similar issues you have mentioned... Another complaint I see a lot is about how long Kden takes to render a video..

[@OmnisArchives]

I've been trying very hard to pick out a replacement editor for Premiere. Both times I tried Kdenlive out, it crashed, even with the "stable" appimage version. That's not a good sign if Kdenlive is the best FOSS editor Linux has to tout.

[@JSCB-365]

fellow KZbinr Umm is horrible word, I agree, I hate editing. I have built a high end Desktop to help with editing. despite my laptop and my desktop both being linux mint. I can not minimize anything on the desktop. as well as other issues like i cant get the wifi adapter to connect to anything. shopping for a fresh distro. I use primarily Openshot simple and works. But recently found Olive is a ton better with fixing Audio volume.

[@adarax86]

you should try blender, it has a video editor, and its stable and quite good actually :)

[@sol_mental]

Absolutely, KDEnlive is great... but it is by no means professional. The only other great linux editor is DaVinci, but it is shit when it comes to hardware, and the free version needs a fucking script to convert videos for it to work, so it's not really usable tbh. At the end of the day linux is truly missing a FinalCut or a Premiere alike, it really is.

[@Nutwardgallery]

Addendum: I haven't used Final Cut Pro, Adobe Photoshop, or Adobe Premiere. I did use Adobe Premier Elements 10 before, with limited success. It may be a non-subscription based option. I have also tried to use DaVinci Resolve, but it's too complicated for my simpleton mind (aka not very intuitive).

[@Nutwardgallery]

I am seeing this video 2 years later... but it would seem so simple if you just "turn off" automatic updates of Kdenlive. I myself started with openshot - first simple editor for cutting and rearranging videos. Shotcut was my second transition, because some of the overlay tools with keyframes allowed for pretty created overlay animations. But then, when I started to do multi-cam editing - Kdenlive is the magic tool that allows me to automate scene syncronization, scene switching, overlay editing, and output. Yes Kdenlive is as clunky and awkward, but it offers a lot of the high-level functions that Olive, Shotcut, and Openshot don't have. I was doing manual scene cutting in Shotcut, but for regular video posting, automating some functions is an even greater time saver.

[@brentsummers7377]

I have not found anything on Linux as easy to use as the old Windows Movie Maker or W10 Photos, or the video editing on an iPhone. The Linux programs suck so bad for a beginner user like me. And those that suck less go missing from Synaptic & probably come back when some bizarre problem with libraries is solved. Lossless Cut worked well for me & then that got deprecated from Xubuntu or Mint I can't remember which now. Microsoft and Apple understand that 95% of people just want a simple intuitive video editor & provide it! End of rant.

[@nothumbbowler1802]

I want to not use windows. But video editing is a reason I have windows. Most of the time I am in linux. My better option - Vegas Movie Studio. Although last I tried, could not get it to run in linux.

[@BradR86]

Well said. I use KdenLive religiously on my main channel because I'm too stubborn to dual boot windows or get a Mac, and hate leaving my Linux environment to edit anyway. It's certainly far from perfect, but it's definitely got some potential to be great. If I were a software dev, I'd definitely be putting my hand up to contribute to it.

[@gamerhobbit]

I have been using all these programs mentioned in the video and I can say Adobe is also a crash fest, for no apparent reason. As for Kdenlive changes: I always write down my export settings (from the script) to a separate note and make sure it stays somewhere safe. But, in my case I record gameplay videos so I make a lot of changes before rendering, I change the interpolation to Lanczos, switch to 8:8:8 color format with full range and so on. I believe they have changed the quality section to a CRF number to percentage-like value, like Shotcut does. It may be easier to understand for a newcomer but if you are used to the old method, things working in the opposite direction now. Rİght side is the higher quality.Plus, they give no audio quality fine tuning and honestly, it looks like they are throwing values just to make sure that audio is rendered. Their "real_time=-4" property is also fixed and can not be adjusted in that menu for the CPUs with higher core count. You have to press "Generate script" to create a script and have to make the changes in there. BTW, may I ask for something I have been wondering? Are you cropping your webcam view? Because the focal point looks like it is on the door with a big S on the left. The door flexes in all sides and made me wonder why :) Your Linux poster also flexing to the left side, it should be flexing to the right side if the focal point was on you.

[@bcsr4ever]

I moved to Fedora 36 and kdenlive. I've enjoyed the experience. I use the flatpak version.

[@mijailaronalvarezcerrillo21]

"all I can do is sit here and bitch about it"xD ahahahah I kinda think in record all your stuff on your linux machine and then transfer those videos(files) to a windows machine and use a propper not buggy software like adobe premiere pro. I don't know how efficient this approach would it be, but heck that definitively would solve the issue, it's the thing that came across, 'cause I want to make a programming tutorial video with theory of computation and me coding along (I mean with a lot of editing [so far no effects, that hopefully came later]) but setting up a mic in linux and edit seems to be a non trivial thing in linux, but if there is something that I like is the whole evolution of the gnu-linux in the past decade. maybe we just need to be using the software in order to the developers take actions, like this past years

[@UltimusShadow.]

Excuse my ignorance but why not update until all your video projects are finished/uploaded? Then start the new projects on the new version?

[@jeremsgarage]

Kdenlive drives me crazy, but its the one I always end up working with. I bought an old Trashcan Mac Pro and got the latest OS running on it ... Guess what Video editor I downloaded... Yep... Kdenlive. I'm slowly becoming a die hard linux user. I've edited many of my videos on Pop-OS and Kdenlive. Anyway, I love the channel. Keep up the great work.

[@VirtualizerExtreme]

I'd suggest giving Shotcut a try but both are pretty good although weak compared to proprietary competitors

[@thenextpoetician6328]

Flowblade crashed just before loading its window. Searched. It's the most recent issue. When that's resolved, I'll definitely try it. The G'mic tool had me hooked (it's awesome in Gimp, and I'm more into photography anyway, so that's how I came across it in the first place). Something I've noticed - in discussion with others oratory requires next to no editing, but when speaking at no one with the microphone turned on the flow is constantly interrupted, like someone else is supposed to take their turn after a point is made. Studying brain function is just one of those hobbies that takes on a life of its own.

[@JSCB-365]

The desktop must have a completely different version of Openshot than the laptop, this does not help with editing.

[@killingtime9283]

Hello, I don't know if there are any stable versions of kdenlive? Where you get bug fixes but no feature updates?

[@TheLinuxCast]

I think there is an LTS version but I might be making that up in my brain.

[@killingtime9283]

@@TheLinuxCast hey man! :) I feel your pain, I hope you find something that'll work out for you. This was a good video btw, sure you are venting some stuff but you can still laugh about the situation, also you still express your thankfulness towards kdenlive. I can relate to what you said about wanting to contribute fixes/code to a project but lacking the skills to do so. Cheers!

[@walter_lesaulnier]

This is why Windows users laugh out loud when Linux users claim Linux is more stable- sorry, couldn't resist.

[@SkyFly19853]

Unfortunately, Windows has something Linux does NOT have except Development Tools: privilege to use Professional Closed Source Apps such as Adobe and similar ones...

[@tylerdean980]

This isn’t a Linux problem, this is a problem with a specific piece of software. If Linux wasn’t more stable, NASA wouldn’t use Debian.

[@walter_lesaulnier]

@@tylerdean980 NASA's Linux is COMPLETELY different than home desktop Linux. I love Linux with a passion but accept that with the near infinite freedom comes complexity and bugs. It would be impossible to make a program crashproof in every possible Linux configuration that people could come up with. Leonardo DaVinci would love Linux. George Orwell would love Windows.

[@SkyFly19853]

@@tylerdean980 Actually, NASA also uses Windows 98 for their vehicles... There were news about it. Linux is NOT the only solution for NASA...

[@tylerdean980]

@@SkyFly19853 I found some documents from the early 90's saying they used Windows, but nothing more recent than that, do you have a source?

[@CapnLexCrunch]

"Stop adding stuff and make it stable" [laughs in Debian]

[@toorganicpi]

I do agree, Kdenlive has lots and lots of bugs. Some of them are really very basic and in your face. They need to look at the editor from the perspective of a user and squash the very obvious bugs. They sadly do not. I even enabled the ppa thinking that I would get something fixed .... but no....

[@STONE69_]

Don't update it once its working well with your set up. I only Update it when I move to the next version of my Distro, then its a nightmare.

[@oredaze]

Try harder to install davinci resolve xD What do you thing about editing in blender?

[@luckyprod9013]

Da vinci resolve is all you need

[@bhargavjitbhuyan9394]

That has so many tantrums on Linux.

[@nevoyu]

I've been playing around with Shotcut and I wish it had some of the same keybinds as kdenlive.

[@magnificoas388]

Please kde kdenlive community STOP NEW FEATURES and solve the bugs. 1 year long. Thx. 2 years...

[@coinerus7931]

Why you aren't fixing the bugs? This is free software

[@johnwestervelt1525]

Deserve? I don't know about that. Entitled victimhood doesn't suit you. Kdenlive starts with K, which stands for buggy software. That's all I need to know.

[@TheLinuxCast]

I knew the word deserve was going to trigger some people. Click bait thumbnails work.

[@l0gic23]

+1 sub Dare you to make a video, editing a video using kdenlive.

[@kittencure]

Kdenlive is running a fundraiser to improve now: kdenlive.org/en/fund/

[@TheLinuxCast]

Already donated a few days ago.

[@tintwotin]

For stability, try the Blender VSE.

[@laptoprelaks]

pretty valid ranting to me.... this has been my gripes with Linux since forever... I keep coming back to Linux(Ubuntu or Linux Mint) because it keeps getting better and better... Linux Mint for me fills my needs and was VERY STABLE and reliable.... the Open Source video editor are okay but they are no way good in UI/UX

[@ValorCatStudiosinc]

Davinci Resolve.

[@Bruces-Eclectic-World]

Oh Man I feel your pain! The pain of it all and I mean all... LOL That was the issue I was having last month with the settings last month. That was why I got with you if you remember... My videos were coming out 360 or less and were really bad. Two I just left posted. Filler words is used for a thinking process I guess... Lol I have the same issue... 😛 I too have a love and hate relation ship with kdenlive and OBS I just want to take a big hammer and smash the computer. I have no answer either. I use the Appimage of kdenlive and OBS and when they update them it is a pain in the ass! The file size is just out of control in Kdenlive... It is bad when you have to plead on a video and offer to pay money for something that works... A video is a 6 hour ordeal at best and most are 8 hour for me to make. I just start the upload and go to bed and finish in the morning. Sad! LLAP 🖖

[@josephlo6005]

How about using capcut and lumafusion. Give them a try

[@VirtualizerExtreme]

Also give Shotcut a try

[@pw1187]

Honestly, get a cheap Mac mini And use final cut pro..yea you would be out 299 for final cut pro.. But your editing time will be cut more than half...I guess it depends how much you value your time..

[@JahidulIslam]

Use Davinci Resolve and nvidia gpu with proprietary driver and CUDA. Problem mostly solved.

[@fan_juggler]

If you think you "deserve better" than go ahead and commit to the code and make it better. That's how Linux works. Personally, I've been using kdenlive for years even for huge projects with lots of graphics, masking etc and it worked fine. It's definitely not "buggy as shit". It's so disrespectful to the devs to just sit there and bitch about changes that were made to an open-source without consulting you 🙈

[@TheLinuxCast]

Wow. Okay. So this is the equivalent of 'you have no right to complain about anything because you're not a dev'. And people say I'm the elitist.

[@l0gic23]

Any response from kdenlive?

[@junevi2000]

It could be Cinellera

[@artemis4534]

davinci resolve works on linux, at least through the chaotic aur

[@thelinuxtube]

Also as an app image

[@friedrichdergroe9664]

I might use Davinci Resolve to do color grading on my drone videos. Supposedly, Kdenlive can do the same, but have not tried it yet.

[@MrTomro]

@@thelinuxtube i don't think there's an app image for DaVinci

[@thelinuxtube]

@@MrTomro I found it once a long time ago, however there are many step by step guides online for installing it.

[@MrTomro]

@@thelinuxtube meh. They need to step their game up and make a flatpak already.

[@coinerus7931]

A video editor that goes in the direction of Final Cut Pro or Magix Video Studio would be perfect. The Linux editors like Olive, Kdenlive or Shotcut aren't bad, but imo they are not intuitive enough and are always missing some little features. Davinci Resolve is good, but too complicated. I don't want to invest hours in learning a new video editing program, if I only need basic options for video editing.

[@miloszajic3196]

I've run against most of the problems and frustrations with Kdenlive you did. Now I feel not alone. Thanks! 😆 I still use Blender for video editing, because it is S.T.A.B.L.E., but not very flexible and easy to use for that task. Strangely enough I also experienced nonworking Resolve on all my Linux computers. My several attempts to make it work ended futile. 🤷‍♂

[@GrepHaxs]

There are two styles of Kdenlive both recent versions in the software center . The style you are using dose look cool although we have experienced similar issues with the end crash but in our case the video still existed and we made a video on the topic . You could try the other style of Kdenlive and if you do there maybe some things it can not do that yours can we are not sure . Just to point out we use snaps and not flat packs not that should make a difference . One other thing if you look at your updates you should be able to control them and select not to update Kdenlive either through the software updater or the software center .

[@friedrichdergroe9664]

Why are you using flatpaks? I don't use flatpak unless there's no other alternative. Don't know what distro you are on, but on Arch, there's a lot of goodness in the AUR. But I agree. Kdenlive kinda sucks. I had to fiddle with the default settings to get my renders looking decent at 4K. Really, I should not have to do that!

[@drumpf4all]

I disagree people would tune out if you went editor-less. It would be good entertainment. Bro, video editing blows on Linux and it will forever.

[@RealRoboKnight]

I disagree with this tbh... but okay...

[@TheLinuxCast]

Since this video kdenlive has gotten better.

[@riseabove3082]

You are a good person, you recognized something that you wanted to improve. That is awesome. You're such a cool guy. Just also know it's ok to have some imperfections. We all do. This is what you get with freedom software. There is no incentive to make a good product for free. This is why paid software exists.

[@0onix120]

I feel your pain, krita is the same, and I'm on linux. Supposedly is even worse on windows.

[@gimcrack555]

I been using three video editors. I like kdenlive, openshot and shotcut. I haven't edited a video for a while. But when Qt got introduced and apps start using it; especially video editor apps. Things went hay-wired. openshot was great until they move to Qt. They still had their older version and I just stuck with that. Not sure that's a choice now. Build your own kdenlive to get some INSTALL_PREFIX to your liking.

[@VeganCossack]

Premiere Pro is also not free of bugs. I had a video editing experience with it a few years ago (doing cuts, hardcoding subs, adding png slides and clip transitions) and to me it was a nightmare how laggy PP was.

[@blueyZee]

To anyone who might have the time, why is it that the kdenlive executable for Windows has a smaller size than that rpms of .Deb versions?

[@mightyrobot42]

I just edited together a short film in ShotCut and it worked pretty well. I can't really compare it with other video editors since this is the first major piece of editing that I've done, but I was able to get the hang of it pretty quickly and I'm happy with the results.

[@jamesclow108]

Davinci Resolve seems to install fine for me on EndeavourOS, both 17 and the 18 beta. Just needed cuda and libxcrypt-compat installing as well. I've yet to get really stuck into it so I don't know if it fully functions as well as in Windows, but time will tell.

[@headspacetheace]

yeah no it sucks how for video editors ur only practical choice is kden if u want to use open source, hope some new options come out in the coming years

[@FengLengshun]

I think at this point, if you've tried everything native, your only real option is to do GPU passthrough and edit on a Windows or macOS VM.

[@okay4634]

Davinci Resolve

[@MrTomro]

Da Vinci Resolve sucks on Linux. I had problems installing it as well, plus it's using an archaic script to install instead of shipping it as .rpm or flatpak like any other sane app does.

[@JahidulIslam]

It works in rpm distro like Fedora, RHEL, centos without any additional tweaks.

[@terminallyonline5296]

Even davinci is our best even if it's not the best if that makes sense. We do need better video editors than davinci resolve.

[@mellowgeekstudio]

What about Reaper? It can also edit video besides audio.

[@rano12321]

Davinci Resolve?

[@TheLinuxCast]

Wish I could get it to run on my AMD hardware. Sadly can't.

[@HuskyOffset]

I’ve been using Shotcut for quite a while, which you said you tried. Was it just that you didn’t like the looks of it, or was there some missing functionality.

[@DarthDweeb]

If you find a solution, please let us know.

[@Thaleios]

Matt, you do a good job. Sometimes, you sound like Cap-tain Ki-rk. :-)

[@TheLinuxCast]

LOL, I do have that pause going.

[@Thaleios]

@@TheLinuxCast That just means you are carefully thinking. Wisdom really. :-)

[@noel_curray]

is this video edited too Matt?

[@gx1tar1er]

audio production (DAW + plugin) as well

[@BenKickert]

Resolve?

[@hemnath1291]

What about olive video editor?

[@JahidulIslam]

It is still alpha.

[@Meat-Puppet]

Lol you think video editing is bad, try serious music production

[@mikoajneronowicz582]

I am a professional graphic designer and I use Linux. I often do animation which I finalize and sound in Kdenlive. Recently, I have also been doing special effects (VFX) and audio for a TV commercial, also using Kdenlive and Blender for that. It has some pains and limitations, but overall it's a great program. I do not agree that Kdenlive is missing something. Maybe you lack the skills and patience to learn to use this program well? Maybe you need something easier? I recommend Olive Video editor but version 0.1. Blender is also a good alternative to Kdenlive. It has a pretty convenient built-in video editor. All in all, there is no better video program in the Open Source world than Kdenlive. As for crash problems, kdenlive can usually recover the whole project.

[@CyberCat01]

I honestly love Premiere Pro, been using it for many years and it's never let me down. Supports tons of codecs, configurable auto-save, and has a straightforward export menu. Never been concerned about the CC subscription either 😉

[@softwarelivre2389]

But it does not have a GNU/Linux version, which means it is unusable for all us GNU/Linux folks

[@SkyFly19853]

Solution: Professional Closed Source Video Editing such as Adobe Premier... No money no quality...

[@friedrichdergroe9664]

Do they have a Linux version? Adobe tends to turn their nose up at us.

[@SkyFly19853]

@@friedrichdergroe9664 If I remember, they have cloud version or website one. But you can use it by Virtual Machine if you have enough ram ( 16 gigs at least ) and SSD. That's what I do.

[@unklebonehead]

@@SkyFly19853 Running in a virtual machine is not the same as being a native version. Running in a browser is also not the same. If they were to make a Linux version there are plenty of Linux users that will pay for it. We are not all free software or nothing. There are other proprietary software on Linux that we do pay for. Being cross platform does not mean it has to be open source or free.

[@SkyFly19853]

@@unklebonehead Problem is that there are zealots who despise closed source which would create such a reputation for Linux and companies do NOT wanna invest on this kind of behavior. Also, many Linux and Open source users expect people to work for free as volunteers. One more thing is that zealots from Linux and Opensource expect those companies to opensource their products which is a very bad idea.

[@unklebonehead]

@@SkyFly19853 I know we have our fair share of the zealots here. But it hasnt stopped plenty of proprietary software from coming over. They havent been pressured into open sourcing their code that I've seen or heard. Bitwig, Reaper, Lightworks, Davinci Resolve, etc. I've not heard a peep out of any of the "zealots" calling for any of them to open source. And Linux users will pay for them. Hell I bought Reaper becuse imo its superior, easier to use and literally bug free. Where as Ardour, the premiere Linux Audio Worstation, constantly crashes or wont even boot every other version. Also being open source doesnt mean it has to be free in cost. Red Hat being probably the biggest example. But they arent selling the software. They are selling support. There are a lot of gnome centric apps that are selling thanks to elementaryos putting that option in their package manager. So to say that Linux users wont pay for open source software isnt true. People pay to support Manjaro, Linux Mint, Ubuntu, ElemantaryOS, etc. When its good software people will pay for it if asked!

[@yoko_bby]

Maybe because I have alot of yours with Adobe but kdenlive and divinci are so counter intuitive. Like it should be a matter of just finding the tool I now need in a different place. But everything is couched in menus and menus and toggles like why

[@mahkhi7154]

Kdenlive - Doesn't Work Properly Because, it Uses FFmpeg to Modify the Video Stream. Sony / TCL, doesn't Want Others to Know How Their Televisions and Video Camera's Work. So, they've Put Bugs in FFmpeg. The Reason SUSE / KDE is Working on OBS Studio (Webcam). Kdenlive and OBS Studio is the OpenSUSE / KDE(Qt) / Sun Microsystems Guys. The Same as The BEA Weblogic Guys. Need to Give Them the iPhone (iOS Kernel) for Kdenlive and OBS Studio.