Liquid Race to World First Recap - Sepulcher of the First Ones

[@GoPlayMLP]

Good to hear some of the watermelon talk. The last talk max had was fucking intense. You could really see his frustration and fear, because the response he coulda gotten from any other org coulda been so much different.

[@nebojsavidic4764]

omg, xyro almost teared up there. i can hear, at the same time, sadness and anger in his voice. this was such an event!

[@Preheat]

Thanks jersey Mike's for that great listen in 😳👍

[@warcraftarenas8770]

This moonkin anytime they have to move during CDs bahaha "CHANGE BACK STARFALL" xD ( @13:40) Scott a legend

[@tomxd8000]

Great video! Was really neat seeing some of the behind the scenes, the decision to stop was 100% the right call. Can't wait to see you guys next race! In DRAGONLANDS!

[@m4tzeeh]

Amazing video, the decision to take a break for mental health reasons was the right call. Everyone did an amazing job and should be proud of what they've achieved

[@blackwomangamer2637]

Cope :D

[@Schizim]

@@blackwomangamer2637 lol

[@MichaBlogtUndZockt]

and what ....i"m alone? Anduin has 2mio HP left? Scott : Hold my Beer

[@zebulonbare326]

Just mad effing respect to Max and the Liquid management for being supportive of the team and their decision to travel back home. Having the best interest of the team in mind and making those types of decisions in a difficult time is hard.

[@blazemcisaac1209]

The "how long am I allowed to stay in this country" had me laughing so hard

[@Theliahh]

Loved watching everyday for weeks and can't wait for the next one!! Liquid will bring home the win

[@charless2100]

No they won’t not until they get rid of max

[@galantrus7333]

@@charless2100 Based take

[@Kriddle1229]

@@galantrus7333 I don't even care who wins but that's a cringe take. And calling it based is even worse. They won multiple world firsts with Max, and did it in raids in which a raid leader made an objectively bigger difference due to mechanics and raid design. Both Echo and Liquid are great guilds full of great dudes. And this tribalism shit is just tired and gross.

[@mattsmall1874]

Great footage!! SANDWICH LOVE

[@Tristana.Keauna]

This was so much fun to watch! The editing on it is great!

[@poisonivy2380]

“Immunities and run! That was close… world first mythic skolex” Meanwhile only 1 person dead lol

[@eduardopuchalski269]

I can't express how much joy knowing that a event like this exists for us nerds.

[@sierah.s]

this RWF was one of the first ones i ever watched the whole thing. i loved watching liquid the whole way through and i found my favorite guild to watch. so many incredible players with fantastic personalities. i love you team liquid, this video was such a good recall to the memories in this rwf!

[@Tetrathegod]

I want the same video for Vault , oh wait it wasn’t close 😢

[@Bish186]

2:19 did max just wipe a bogey on the doorframe??????????

[@tkmoosey4436]

i literally batchest chills on that Scott clip EVERY time

[@serge2cool]

Looks like you're callinh for more competition Liquid! WP! GG!

[@Meherdoud]

Loved this RWF and hope to see something like this in next expansion

[@MrBlueSleeves]

Mad respect and love for the boys. I do wonder, though, if Echo showed better mental strength this tier or if it was a question of luck/preparation? Cause as was said, they really were able to finish that last lap

[@logicismight102]

Yeah especially if you consider the amount of infrastructure and support liquid has compared to echo ... How does echo do it? Crazy guys !

[@MrBlueSleeves]

@@logicismight102 Think it has to do with momentum and going back to second place after that much time. That just broke them

[@crysmarrs9207]

Loved watching ya'll

[@Ratthew186]

To be fair, what made me respect Max and Liquid all around was the decision to withdraw eventually... especially since Max himself said he would make the same decision 100% of the time. Kudos to you all, I really enjoy watching the coverage regardless of who wins. Love you!

[@Pokasquantas]

Great video

[@_Travey]

The best guild ever

[@casonleland3210]

I loved this video... I love Max and the boys!!! Only better things to come

[@highgrade9]

An epic tragedy, hearing max say that its good to come a week early made me cringe after what he has said since. Was a great race anyway despite the result

[@lodyxla1222]

great race, great video!

[@Soviethulk]

dobby..

[@MichaBlogtUndZockt]

Halondrus was litteraly an Omega scott paladin :D he handle the last 2 min prop. alone :D grabing 8579817591724 orbs and kick them back

[@gregthomson2299]

Yeah, Scott is next level, cutting edge of cutting edge, I think it’s maybe because he’s Scottish. We (I’m from Scotland as well) are just total gods!. (I got banned from twitch for that comment on echo twitch stream, reason given-racism. Appeal: reason for appeal-was just joking that I was Scottish as well. Reply- Racism is never funny. Permanent ban). That annoyed me a bit if I’m being honest. I’m from EU and was supporting echo as well. F echos mods. Liquid for 10.0.

[@killercloud5768]

@@gregthomson2299 That's crazy how different EU perceives things, I saw your comment and chuckled, but I'm also US born and bred so considering that racist at all by showing pride in what you are is insane to me. I guess Racism in America is a lot more hate driven, and there's so much diversity in different ethnic backgrounds here that taking pride in your own people (Italian in my case) is just natural in America. Glad to hear your on board with liquid for 10.0, welcome to the stars and stripes good sir :)

[@itzTimmyBTV]

Amazing video! keep it up! :D

[@janfrompolde]

Now I finally understand the true reason Liquid lost this particular race. At 17:18 you can clearly see someone was busy getting in some AFK gains alongside their Rygelon progress.

[@karahtar]

It really was a Marathon to World First

[@Caseman984]

Thanks for the memories boys

[@jamesbury6881]

Hate the fact that a boss can have major changes mid race and effect the outcome of the race. Imagine anduin was the same boss for everyone racing. Different race entirely.

[@depresion9587]

HOLY COPIUM

[@Kriddle1229]

@@depresion9587 Tribalism Andy spotted.

[@zurwyn]

Why does nobody talk about Hal getting nerfed the day after Liquid killed it, allowing everyone else an easier time to catch up? That certainly didn't help Liquid's mental health. They had to suffer through it and for such a heavily monetized and prestigious event Blizzard literally gave other guilds an easier time to catch up and get ahead of Liquid.

[@Philwastaken00]

Planetcracker beam nerf, boss health nerf and more consistent mote spawns (inconsistent spawns could make the fight really annoying since all the motes spawned from same part of the room) were added on march 12th. The mote spawn change might have been added even earlier. They killed the boss on march 14th. Think they were way more annoyed by anduin since it was grossly overtuned when they first got to it. After wasting several days on optimizing cds and comp they killed it within 24 hrs of the big nerfs that were added on march 17th.

[@brucelee9243]

watching halondrus prog was so pog. damn i miss it. hope this race goes the same

[@Melithian]

You guys are going to come back even stronger!

[@HorusHeresy1982]

Pss, 19 days? Casuals.

[@dugeron]

I hope @blizzard learns from this video and that they dont make another 20+ day progress world first race. Health is more important than a WF title. Loved the video. You guys are beasts!

[@xasapak0s]

what;s your point there? health is more important i agree but this is up to them, to raid as much as they want to be the first. It has nothing to do with blizzard, if u feel exhausted dont compete to that, the idea of a month long ace is actually best and no the 1week trolls we got the past years..they need better "training" i'd say, and bigger roster, do u actually know how much they made having 30-50k viewers for 20 straight? fck the race, they made 10times more than the whole expansion lmao.

[@dugeron]

@@xasapak0s do you realize how many RWF guilds disbanded after this experience? Do you know how many splits they had to make to get WF? Just make a worldwide event out of it like The arena tournament where everyone starts at thr same time and on tournament realms where are all on the same point with ilvl and whatsoever. And blizz would not need to nerf the raids after that for 10 times

[@xasapak0s]

@@dugeron they wont make shit, not now not ever! RWF never was an official blizzard event, and longer race makes ppl MORE interested and back to the game. Blizzard couldnt care less if 3 guilds disbanded and they had a 15%increase in subs. As i said before, either get a bigger roster or prepaire better.

[@MA-gc2pc]

it definitely should be 20+ days seeing so many bosses getting wrecked on a mythic in a first week with not even sets and full gear is proof of how easy raiding is nowadays in the past you had raids that were cleared by THE END OF THE SEASON/PATCH but it was during how people love to say wow's glory days, also this is their job, this is no different than working as a programmer or designer 8-12 hours a day every day or working in a supermarket or as a worker on some building

[@nickfrisa4066]

Don't listen to these trolls man, you're absolutely right and I can all but guarantee you blizzard never makes a race last this long again.

[@_Zir]

Max saying how deflating it is being behind, bro thats literally every other region other than NA from day 1.

[@Kriddle1229]

Imagine completely missing the point he was making. He's said what he means by that multiple times. And I know you know what he meant by that. But you're too into the weird EU NA tribalism.

[@_Zir]

@@Kriddle1229 okay dude. i play on NA realms.. I never mentioned EU, i was actually talking about China. weird that you bring the EU NA tribalism into it bro?

[@Pellepelle14]

Lol, Echo ATE Liquid for dinner in this raid haha

[@Irades]

❤❤❤

[@EiyaTV]

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH

[@jacobpascoe6220]

IMO a factor in this race was attitudes and cultures between guilds. Tune into the Liquid streams and things are very light hearted, jokes are being made and there is a clear focus on balancing hardcore gaming and having fun. Tune into Echo and everyone is more focused and structured. Scripe is less tolerant of banter and chatter that isn't centred around strategy and winning. They seem a lot more focused. No doubt both teams want to win but for Echo it seems all about the win. They have a more professional, albeit less enjoyable approach (for the players) that is more conducive to winning the race. I've noticed this in a few races TBH. Making jokes and bantering etc might not seem that detrimental, and it wouldn't be over a couple day race, but delaying strategic talk for even several seconds each time over the course of 14 days will add up to many hours of distraction. The biggest detriment to motivation was probably falling behind, and I reckon this was a big contributor to falling behind. Not sure if Liquid will win races consistently with their more relaxed approach.

[@Frawt]

It's not even just the distraction, 'cause having numerous hours of super happy haha joke fun time doesn't sound bad. The issue with Liquid, I feel, is that they have people just making noises for like minutes at a time just 'cause it's too light-hearted and it all piles on itself, and just being so...active and loud all the time tires out the Liquid players both physically and mentally. This definitely works out better with shorter races, since you still ride that jokey hype train the whole way to the end, but if it comes down to a war of attrition between the two best guilds in the world, Echo probably definitely had both more physical and mental energy left, since they were more composed throughout. The only issue is that Echo doesn't NEED to meme to win at all, so not only are they on equal footing with Liquid in shorter races, but they have an advantage over them in longer races. I dunno if Liquid will be able to introduce a sweeping culture change in the whole guild during RWF, but I think they definitely need to rein in some of the louder players and hunker down more...and I really hope they do, because they ARE a more fun of a guild (to watch and follow) than Echo, even though I like people from both and both guilds as a whole, and the way they bowed out of Sepulcher's RWF was just...deflating.

[@xYiazmatx]

The real contributor to falling behind was losing hundreds of pulls to unkillable bosses (or, for lihivum, having to stop pulling entirely while blizz was deciding how they wanted the boss to be killed) that no other guild had to deal with. Over a short race that can be made up for, but with 5 end-boss difficulty encounters? No shot.

[@jacobpascoe6220]

@@xYiazmatx Nah, I don't buy it. Liquid were almost a day ahead on Halondrus. They killed it around 17:00 on March 14th. Echo didn't kill until March 15th at around 13:00. It was the drastic strategic difference between Echo and Liquid on Lords of Dread and Rygelon that made the difference. I recall in fact Liquid saying that the boss was unkillable, and decided to bed down, only for Echo to 4 heal and punish them hard. The bosses weren't unkillable (as demonstrated), Echo just had the edge, partly because, in my opinion, they were more focused, and as Frawtarius mentioned, less drained. If anything, the waiting on Lihuvium gave them a slight reprieve. And actually, the culture that I mentioned before will have a more significant detrimental effect on the latter, harder bosses. Their raw mechanical skill will carry them on the earlier bosses, while the later ones require strategy and full focus on the objective in addition to that raw skill. In my opinion this is why they dropped off.

[@hustl3bot]

you couldn't be further from the truth.

[@jacobpascoe6220]

@@hustl3bot ouch, wow, you got me with that logic man. With a reasoned argument like that I think I'll just tap out and agree with you!

[@jamesramirez89]

[@Nameonly67]

Gotta love all the junk alienware A11s lol 😆 people gotta stop buying that computer they are garbage your getting screwed on $

[@DekurionYNWA]

With raidlead flexin with his gucci crap on stream its no wonder they fucked up like this.

[@MinecraftDerTutorial]

echo just better.. xD

[@badderen92]

Everyone was exhausted mentally, EU won cus theyre just stronger overall. Well done to liquid tho.

[@Kriddle1229]

Cringe.

[@stylaaaniki]

Third L in a row, Liquid slowly but surely starting to regret their investment, yiiiiikes

[@decoak1241]

This aged well

[@logicismight102]

No offense to liquid and the players, this was a cruel boss and an exhausting journey... BUT if you compare the infrastructure and support these guys have compared to echo... I mean just look at the facility and the gear ... It's like not even comparable. It shows again, the U.S. is just money and a lot of talk but not much else ... Joking of course! Good job every one, have a well deserved rest!

[@clerniaz131]

N O N E C A R E S A B O U T T H I S D E A D G A M E W A K E U P

[@Eli-LM1301]

T H E N F U C K O F F S O M E W H E R E E L S E.

[@kindasus4559]

team quit

[@PerfectSuperCell]

Echo has no limit. Fact.

[@Kriddle1229]

Except in the last two raids they lost I guess?

[@jamesralph3521]

Couldn’t even get second place 🤡

[@Kailaa3]

They would have if they didn't decide to put the welfare of the team first and go home. Its first or nothing. Maybe for lesser teams getting world 2nd, 3rd or 4th matters, but not to this group. Choosing everyone's sanity after living in a hotel for a month, and playing 16 hours a day was the right call. I have mad respect that they made that choice. The easy decision would have been to stay, burn out further and still not get first.

[@jamesralph3521]

@@Kailaa3 still dogwater

[@zemperish]

Liquit

[@laszlokerekes3641]

max just decided to come with an excuse towards the end becausse he knew they were losing, most of the bosses they trolled a lot, when you in the lead you take advantage, now liquid is out of competetion, if it drags on for too long they quit and if itsl not then they lucky because of the reset date, i lost all respect for Max

[@Eli-LM1301]

I mean, he isn't wrong about the reset, having that boost of gear is fucking huge when racing it can be anywhere from 100-500 dps per player increase, mental health after playing for a month straight is also serious. I don't think it's an excuse. Even if they trolled abit on the earlier bosses doesn't mean that what said post race wasn't true.

[@miko19r]

Have you watched the video exposing him as a cheater? (pretending to do blind progress in ffxiv, while he was obviously watching guides and he was preparing tactics). Echo has way better players and supporting staff, but they were lacking organisation, which is something they copied from Limit. Limit/Liquit will always be the outsider even if they have half a day advantage. PS: I made a typo in "Liquit", but after careful thought I will keep it.

[@Kriddle1229]

@@miko19r Just watched the video. Saw a whole lot of theories and speculation and opinions. Didn't see any facts/evidence. I don't even like Max, but I'd never pretend to treat that as anything other than a conspiracy theory. I'm in Germany and will always root for the dudes in Echo. But this tribalism stuff is just cringe and you're making us look bad. Grow up dude.

[@mikep.7146]

@@Kriddle1229 I'm not from Germany and I don't like any big guild. If you have played FFXIV you would have known that he cheated in those blind progress runs ( some of the strategies took months to evolve to be melee friendly but he discovered them in the 3rd pull?). Echo has better players and you have all of the facts on your hands, you just refuse to see it. I really don't understand the new trend, that we have to be politically correct on everything and have no opinion that makes others uncomfortable.

[@mr.puggin8384]

Jesus all these add-ons they should be banned for world first races

[@JustPractice7]

Liquit.

[@scrummpybear]

Youll never see liquid win again, this isnt hate just if they dont have stamina there will be a time they lose players at a rapid rate... as someone who raided wf in inner sanctum back in wotlk trust me i know.

[@drotskillz312]

Bro this race was like no other wdym my guy

[@scrummpybear]

@@drotskillz312 its not, look bacl past mop see the amount of time end game bosess lasted, yes the player were worse but the bosses easier so proportionately its about equal yet they took months or not until the next expansion in one case, the races used to be like this every time but now players have no stamina no will to get it done. So dont say its a race like no other when i took part in several races for wf and each was very long race, just because not filmed publicly doesnt mean not happening

[@drotskillz312]

@@scrummpybear bro past mop you mean classic that ain't got nothing to do with this rwf wasn't aa big or really even a thing back then they weren't trying as hard or signed to esports teams

[@scrummpybear]

@@drotskillz312 too many kids lile you dont realise the amount of hours and how long the rwf has ACTUALLY been going.. i bet youve never even heard of of the cata dragonsoul race that had 4 teams compete hosted by athene, but sure the race didnt happen before preach started casting 🤣🤣 oh wait he used to take part in it for method 🤣🤣

[@matheusfurtado7242]

Guess you’re wrong, huh