Liquid vs Mythic Fyrakk - Amirdrassil the Dream's Hope

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[@RiptideShark]

I know Max was disheartened about the 2nd place finish, but that was a race for the ages. A thriller all the way through. I’m glad it’s so close, because a blowout wouldn’t be fun to watch.

[@Stylerflo99]

that was just Liquid being lucky for being NA else Echo would have totally smacked them. Liquid is no competition in WoW. And your wannabe cool dude Max is just a wannabe crybaby nothing more . Cried about the Razageth nerf, and yet he got 2 nerfs 2 INSANE nerfs right before echo went to bed. SHUT the hell up dude

[@Darkgaledust]

You guys fought so hard and this had to be the closest race in a decade. GGs and never give up 🔥

[@Stylerflo99]

Where did they fought hard dude ? They got 2 nerfs right before they wake up. They didnt fight neither in the first tier nor in the second tier and obviously not in this one. Echo 120 Pulls less than liquid. Echo won last tier aswell if there wasnt this dumb non global release. Stop being delusional but Liquid will never be at the level that Echo is!

[@Aruaan]

what the hell is wrong with you@@Stylerflo99

[@jamiemccafferty5301]

@@Stylerflo99 Using pull count as a metric is nonsensical. Liquid spam-pull and Echo take a 10 minute break after each pull. How many of Liquid's pulls were quick 90% wipes?

[@normalguyhehe]

@@Stylerflo99 No shot youre a real person haha

[@Stylerflo99]

brother.... NA has so much advantages, and yet you complain that Echo uses their brains. Like cmon wtf is wrong with you @@jamiemccafferty5301

[@ski_ba]

9:56 I can't be the only one who clenched hard 😂

[@patrikkarlsson3783]

Omg the way Thd handled those seeds. What a player!

[@shirrepoffer]

Awesome job guys! This was the best race so far :)

[@fraidies2934]

The race is so good because the competition is awesome. Well done guys.

[@Oekofutziwow]

as a european and former co-raider of an Echo member I have to cheer for them but you guys definately put up a show till the end! Was an awesome race and really enjoyed following both guilds for the entire race - keep it up, top squad! :)

[@bmo14lax]

Both teams put on quite a show i 0.4% difference is pretty crazy. GG to both guilds for this epic event. Even Method was fun to watch at times

[@Oekofutziwow]

@@bmo14lax yeah think so too - would definately love a join up vid of both scripe and max again where they talk about the race in retrospective because the last 3 bosses and even Larodar (even if the latter was tuned a little bit too easy maybe) were top notch bosses from an outsiders perspective and want to hear their combined opinion about the tier :)

[@bmo14lax]

@@Oekofutziwow absolutely agree. It made for top notch competition

[@RIVAL89]

Maybe im biased from watching his PoV for a lot of the race but Firedup is a goddamn workhorse.

[@RobotboyX2]

maybe im biased too, but firedup is in a different league of mage player. he constantly does risky things with insane consistency that it sometimes seem that max is even surprised he lived that. there is good reason he never plays something else, if u got 1 mage spot in raid setting, firedup is the man

[@bmo14lax]

firedup will take the seeds YEP firedup will soak YEP firedup will be pumping YEP firedup will tank the boss YEP

[@Celari]

Too bad you didnt get the first kill, but it was an amazing race regardless. I was glued to max’s stream for so many hours! Good job guys!

[@Izzyduude]

It’s sounds like more relief in their voices than anything as the amount of pulls and intensity of the race really must have been taxing and stressful. Gratz Liquid! Well done. Onward to the expansion and crushing those Echo scoundrels!

[@glebati_hlebati]

Everyone of us shall have the person as firedup. Congratz guys you did a great job and it was very close.

[@1InFame]

It was not close

[@depresion9587]

it wasnt even close, they start the race 9 hours before echo

[@vanhelsing6643]

You can lost the fight, but you never lost your Comunity. I love your Team. Next Time Boys and Girls.

[@godsfaithinhumanity]

look at max's face when they kill it, his soul looks crushed

[@KevsShwaShwa]

That 1% pull I still don’t know how they didn’t kill it. They had seeds figured out. Really sucks. However, this fight sucks except for P3. P3 is kinda the only thing that’s interesting to watch. I think Tindral is one of the best bosses they’ve made. That fight was absolutely unreal.

[@MrHangrah]

09:58THD mechanic masterclass

[@siXti66]

by and large best race in wow history

[@forerunners2966]

does the fps just looks bad in the video or is it bad?

[@Kmaitland89]

Apparently in these types of raids it’s just always bad. Legit didn’t know this until max said something

[@forerunners2966]

when did he say it? on gingis stream it looks much much better@@Kmaitland89

[@KillaOfTheTime]

for me in each newer raid the fps gets worse and worse, especially in 20+ groups, even if I put 1 on all the settings it dips below 60 quite often (rtx 3080 and i7 12700k), turning off addons helps but it's not as comfortable without them

[@gordmorris3368]

you can see the defeat on there faces

[@ewanjacksonmusic]

The sound of their voices sounds very muted.

[@bmo14lax]

Skippity that dippity

[@CaughtColdBoxing]

Echo is the old method so I feel the pressure is higher for them

[@patrikbatemanx]

GGS

[@fagnergarcia]

What. A. Race.

[@paracelsuz9489]

Dude THD played this fight with his eyes closed.

[@Philwastaken00]

Both guilds could have killed it on any pull during last day. Gg boys we’ll take it next tier

[@anthonynishiyama3143]

o.7... It was so close

[@LaksUK]

get em next time boys

[@MAJCrAiN]

Wouldn’t be a great race without echo

[@anthonynishiyama3143]

Compared to nzoth seems like a long and tedious fight.

[@JordanSlash]

Going Dark on Fyrakk really made all the difference GG Echo!

[@armokratis]

THD God!!!

[@MustbeJoe]

Is this mf'er thd SLEEPING while playing LOL

[@thallok123]

Perfect nerf timing, Echo fucked up by staying late and not progressing a single bit and you guys still lost.

[@Prisonmike27]

why there isnt a shadow priest here? :(

[@bmo14lax]

Our single target is not great right now, and PI isnt worth anymore as its short...so having the best DPS was better strat. I feel u lol

[@Prisonmike27]

@@bmo14lax always we stay behind in raids, sad.

[@nako713]

a really close race and congratulations on the kill. echo is simply in a league of its own

[@jordonjackson4680]

They simply are not.

[@1InFame]

Yes they are😅 NA need a head start and still can down it first

[@jordonjackson4680]

@@1InFame Explain last teir.

[@azaldie]

@@jordonjackson4680 It's funny you should mention that since last tier only lasted 6 days, less than a reset, which means the head start advantage that liquid gets with NA reset had a more significant impact than ever... That said - I don't think Echo is in a league of it's own, I think Echo and Liquid are in a league of their own, with Method nibbling at their heels a bit, trying to get back into that league - I do however think that whilst both teams played out of their mind and the last few hours of the race was proper nailbiter with both teams having sub-2% pulls as their best, Echo just played a little bit better this tier. They did hard-choke on Tindral and if they didn't get that last pull of the night kill, I'm sure liquid would've beat them to WF Fyrakk tho. I understand that both teams have very different "takes" on how they handle the boss, where Liquid throws more pulls in to get the comfort/experience, whilst Echo takes the time in between to hammer down "if this happens, we do this to solve it" or straight up "how do we prevent that from happening in a consistent way", and in that regard I do prefer Echo's method - Comfort/routine-building is good but wearing players down by just speed-pulling logically would mean lower quality pulls on average, think Quality>Quantity whereas it feels like Liquid sacrifice some Quality for the sake of Quantity... Just my personal opinion though.

[@jordonjackson4680]

@@azaldie Then explain bosses like Nzoth. Tildrassil was actually harder than Fyrakk. Who killed it first? The argument is stupid. The statements y’all make are stupid.

[@asun1419]

Not WF though 😂

[@Pellepelle14]

Another loss 😂

[@carrcossa]

You are the world first to us :)

[@plummet3860]

Copium

[@throwaway756]

The least delusional Liquid fanboy.

[@DarkVoltag3]

Bozos

[@jamiebjordanguitar]

First baby miles inches cups

[@Ergabrowen]

🤣 Second place

[@fabian2006]

the blizzard team at charge of raid boss designs should be removed, after 10 years they do the exact same encounters, bomb that explode on 5 secs, move out of fire,goo that spawn on ppl feet after x secs,move from point a to b to put a somekind of shield on entire raid....its pathetic

[@nopenever9829]

Move Out -> or Stuff Moive in -> or Stuff Damage X Dont Damage X Heal (disepel) X Dont Heal (dispel) X CC X Dont CC X In different combination with a different look ... But the Core mechanics of the Game ARE the things i mentioned above ... you cant change that without changeing how the core gameplay works ... So what is your point

[@fabian2006]

@@nopenever9829go look the favorite boss fitghs of all time and you see my point...they are diferent. You can put any skin on this humanoid dragon and no one ever remember what special was the end boss...

[@roxe-8753]

maybe liquid need 2 day advantage

[@War3nerd]

Imagine thinking the so called "headstart" matters. The "headstart" matters only if they kill the end boss on mythic before EU even gets the raid

[@throwaway756]

​@@War3nerdLiquid had a 19-hour headstart in Fyrakk since Echo took the entire day wiping in Tindral. They even went dark while progressing but it still isn't enough. Liquid is too reliant on a few exceptional players in order to win races. Echo is more superior in mechanic-heavy fights that require intense team-wide coordination (Sylvanas, Jailer, Fyrakk).

[@War3nerd]

@@throwaway756 both guilds went dark this race. And both guilds rely on their few exceptional players to win Echo is better at adapting for sure but both guilds are good and they made this race a blast to watch

[@throwaway756]

@@War3nerd I didn't say Liquid is bad. I'm saying Echo is just way better especially on raid-wide execution fights.

[@throwaway756]

@@War3nerd the point about Liquid going dark is Echo didn't have any opportunities of knowing the strategies ahead which validates Liquid's advantage of having a headstart. However, Echo breached P3 first and was the first to reach both 20% and 10% despite Liquid's overwhelming 19-hr advantage. The headstart exists whether you deny it or not. And Liquid failed to capitalize on it.

[@soulsharts]

I don't see how echo 'won'. They only beat you on Fyrakk, but you won Tindral and Smolderon, and echo had the luxury of saving massive amounts of time copying your strats.

[@xcelofjkl]

cry is free

[@soulsharts]

@@xcelofjkl you're so cool

[@xcelofjkl]

@@soulsharts "they ONLY beat you on Fyrakk" lol

[@soulsharts]

@@xcelofjkl you're so cool

[@xcelofjkl]

@@soulsharts cry is free

[@plummet3860]

2nd and you had a 7 hour headstart.....

[@PuffGroundHoggy]

yeah and Echo always start their day with full 7 hours of Liquid's progress.

[@buttpounder4204]

Yeah they did that for the end of vanilla to Legion aswell when nobody was streaming? KEKFUCKINGW NA is just bad at the game@@PuffGroundHoggy

[@patrickmork7592]

Imagine being 16 hours Infront killing 2 of the 3 last Bosses first and still loses delete game pls😂

[@bengixd]

Imagine unironically losing to echo

[@War3nerd]

Imagine being an ape that only sees tribalism in what was the best RTWF since Castle Nathria 😂

[@bengixd]

this is just hard cope @@War3nerd

[@War3nerd]

@@bengixd nope no cope. It was the closest race in a long time with both guilds having sub 2% wipes. Came down to who executed the last phase better when both guilds played well. If you only enjoyed it to talk crap about people then you prove my statement of being a tribal ape

[@badger8084]

Imagine criticizing some of the best players on earth. Kinda cringe.

[@bengixd]

@@War3nerd didn't ask

[@wCxrtoonz]

unlucky bros losing with headstart + nerf to last boss when you wake up and echo is about to go sleep NA LULW

[@War3nerd]

Imagine thinking the "headstart" matters. That so called "headstart" matters if they kill the end boss on mythic before EU even has the raid.

[@wCxrtoonz]

@@War3nerd I'm sorry but your brain has to be severely underdeveloped to think the headstart doesn't matter, like that's legitimately at the level you're trying to argue this. Imagine trying to convince me in a marathon a headstart doesn't matter. The mental gymnastics of americans is insane

[@K0rium]

Imagine thinking that matters. Look at last tier. Liquid shut their streams off on Aberrus so Echo wouldn’t be able to strat steal and guess who dominated that one?

[@K0rium]

EU LUL BAD