LISTEN: Lori Vallow & Alex Cox's Inappropriate Relationship per Cox's Ex Wife

This phone call released on Thursday by the Chandler Police Department is a conversation btween Alex Cox's ex-wife named Debbie and a detective. She share a strang relationship Cox allegedly had with his sister Lori Vallow Daybell.
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[@joannadechenne6368]

She just confirmed EVERYTHING that I have always believed. Alex was Lori's hitman because he was incestually in love with his sister. He killed and killed for her - until she murdered him. Period.

[@sinahaase9923]

Yup. This basically sums it up. Until that daybell guy came along and she got a new guy.

[@gwenthompson8347]

She had to get rid of him in the end because he knew too much and it could be Daybell didn't trust him.

[@cemoihonay]

Except autopsy showed he died of natural causes.

[@johnfrangione7059]

EXACTLY!!!!!

[@thewarden7171]

He killed those kids and buried them in Daybells back yard. Do you think Daybell knew??

[@missmee7210]

No wonder Tylee was so protective of JJ. She knew her mom and uncle were not normal. Those poor kids.

[@tigq1430]

Sad part JJ wasn't her child. *from my understanding he was Charles nephew (husband #4)

[@sourgreendolly7685]

@@tigq1430 Yes but he was adopted by Charles and, unfortunately, Lori so legally he was their kid and Tylee clearly saw him as her brother.

[@theflowerwhosavedtheuniver5658]

@MJ Remy, JJ was Kay & Larry's biological grandson. His father was Kay & Larry's son. For some reason, neither their son nor JJ's mother were in a position to take care of him, which is why he lived with the Woodcock's originally. After a while, the Woodcock's found they couldn't give JJ what he needed, possible due to his autism, and it was therefore agreed that Charles and Lori would step in and adopt him.

[@krishayes8363]

And that was just the tip of the iceberg evidently.

[@susanmetz9892]

You're incorrect. Tylee had no idea what abnormal was. She grew up with her mother and all of her demons. Just look at the police video at the crime scene of her step dad ( who was the only dad she really ever knew). Her step-dad was murdered and both her and Lori essentially had no reaction. Lori has brainwashed her as well.

[@North_West1]

Her 24 yo husband “sleeping” with a 15 yo is not him being promiscuous…it is him assaulting a child.

[@deborahdeldebbioable]

I thought the same thing. Weird to call it that! She did a great job of just stating facts and not getting emotional though

[@scottsent8120]

Or a Jezebel tempting him into fornication.

[@mmersino7363]

@@scottsent8120 looooooooool stop

[@XxXShevampXxX]

@@scottsent8120 lol bruh

[@jessicamazariegos749]

@@scottsent8120 you may be technically right. Given that we now know his brain was stunted with a TBI, and he was easily manipulated by Lori, he could have had a teenage mindset responding to a promiscuous teen girl. Doesn’t excuse the act though and I sure wish his ex had said she turned him in. Could have changed the course of everything…

[@janicebeare8127]

Good for this woman in recognizing how troubled this family was. She's so well spoken and sensible it's refreshing.

[@kccain4011]

Agreed👌🏿

[@michellemooresings]

Someone normal finally

[@ckwind1971]

Seeing a so-called "normal" well-adjusted person IS so refreshing nowadays 😅

[@donnafuller3029]

Really? I thought the complete opposite.

[@carly3855]

What? She is cold in talking about Alex sleeping with a 15yo, called it infidelity...

[@lucindamoura6718]

This woman was saved by her own intuition thank God!

[@sula1529]

Shes lucky she got out and is alive

[@lisaboucher5553]

I think if I saw my husband acting like that with his sister my intuition would kick in too lol

[@jodievukmir3187]

It's still amazes me that the Chandler police did not keep or question Alex further even after the fact came out that they knew he was already a convicted felon

[@gmaw23beauties37]

Or Lori's reaction about her husband....NUTZ!!!

[@anneheimburger3186]

LDS

[@fizarrah]

If he was a felon he was illegally around a firearm, and he used it. That’s crazy. So what’s the law now?

[@lyndaczika6327]

He definitely got away with a horrendous murder.

[@lmm8960]

I truly believe they had evil helping them. Whether intentional or not.

[@8ofwands300]

The interviews with the grandmother, Lori's mother, on the Netflix docuseries left me cold. I felt the woman was oddly detached and performing the occasional emotion, incongruous to the savagery and severity of the crimes. At the end of the series the thought occurred to me that the whole family seemed to have shallow emotional range.

[@ApacheJulie]

The sister had that same arrogant smirk as Lori too.

[@giiness508]

I believe she’s dissociating as a psychological coping mechanism.

[@RadiantStar8997]

She is just old.

[@katiexyz3263]

They’re narcissists. They cared more about the family image than the health and safety of family members.

[@RadiantStar8997]

Someone in the series said people surrounding Lori and Chad didn't realize the severity of their 'sickness.' The only person who saw things as they were and was terrified of what Lori was capable of was Charles.

[@stormyskyz4251]

I know exes can over exaggerate or lie, but this lady sounds genuine

[@ZeldaZelda-RichesToRags]

FOR sure...she didn't add any outlandish junk or stories that are off the charts. This woman sounds like the most reasonable person in that sicko family!

[@cinnamon2151]

Lori’s parents spawned this mess I believe, sickos sadly, Annie said it well , She looked forward to seeing this chain broken when Tylee could legally escape her moms grip on her birthday, New York fries anyone ?

[@PaulBrown-uj5le]

Why would she lie.

[@emma2370]

She does sound genuine. Her worry about how her own children would be raised is accurate. She is a smart woman and more women should think long term like she did.

[@tinab3627]

Yes. She sounds very grounded & calm.

[@Mynameisdarkxxo]

Oh my god, I knew the way Alex defended Lori was NOT normal

[@daveh4925]

yep he coated Lori in bro man milk front, back and facially

[@kaseydior.91]

@@daveh4925 you’re sick .

[@bonniekellyromeo9073]

So sad that they fought so hard to get custody of those kids only to kill them.

[@whoanelly7444]

I’m sure this was all just a game to her! All of it! She just looks like a witch in that pic.

[@maga2042]

I dont think she fought for the kids but for the money she would get having full custody. She was all about the money. So sad

[@cindymarie67]

@@maga2042 she and alex Murdaugh would make a great pair! Both so evil!

[@lieke9460]

Money

[@susien7323]

Bonnie they wanted the social security benefits. Both kids fathers died. She wanted the money but not the kids. 💵 💵 💵 💵 💵 if the grandparents wanted the kids, they would be in control of the money

[@seczajkowski]

This woman was on to it. People probably thought she was crazy but she was 100% right with her intuition.

[@experienceofchris1108]

I don’t think after hearing about a brother touching his sisters boobs anyone would think she was crazy

[@oldbat2ccats]

I have always believed that despite Joe Ryan’s death being ruled natural causes, Alex and Lori somehow engineered it.

[@boondocksdragon8959]

Same. The list of suspicious deaths around these creeps just keeps getting longer and longer.

[@Noorieke]

Absolutely and I think Lori (through Alex) getting away with killing Joe and Charles exasperated the situation.

[@lindaohlemacher1774]

Just like they did with Tammy, trying to make it look natural death.

[@lindaohlemacher1774]

Lori and Alex are just two sick puppies! I bet Chad mad sure Alex died for it! Straddling your own brother in a sexually way is just gross!

[@ceedavies]

Definitely. The first unusual death was Melani P's mum. I've always wondered if that was a natural death.

[@GiGi34347]

This validates why Tylee said she first started keeping a bat next to her at night when she lived with her uncle “alone”.

[@AllieBFromTN]

So sad..

[@rbjones72703]

Joe Ryan's death needs to be investigated

[@SerenDipity64711]

it is too late sadly

[@almondeyez_80]

​@@SerenDipity64711Why?

[@SerenDipity64711]

@@almondeyez_80 his body, when found, was already decomposing. Therefore, the cause of death was undetermined. Being, Tylee's father, she got a very large settlement after his death. Money, that Lori had transferred into her own various accounts, because Tylee was under the age, to access it. Although Lori had no problem accessing the funds and blowing the lot!

[@missmelody6185]

​@@almondeyez_80 I believe he was cremated.

[@tarsalansdown7419]

I'm sure it was before Tammys exhumation, could be wrong, I think they examined his ashes ?

[@sondog1983]

Boy oh boy, his first wife certainly dodged a bullet! She got the angels on her side that’s for sure.

[@Beaglegirl19]

So did Lori's first two husbands. They were the lucky ones. They got out before anything crazy happened to them.

[@johndvoracek1000]

"dodged a bullet" - that's a literally perfect way to put it!

[@MamaBearA24]

When she said Alex made her feel weird for thinking his relationship with his sister was wrong... I've felt that before and it makes you feel like you're a crazy person. Such a brave woman for calling and telling her story 👏

[@missmelody6185]

Gaslighting.

[@slvrcross]

Smart woman, trust your intuition, heed the red flags

[@mookyo9602]

Isn't it nice to hear from someone who did heed the warning signs!✌

[@Woodstock53]

Wow that lady did what everyone, female, should do or she may have been a victim

[@nagymakaede3286]

What a great interviewer. he was patient, let her talk and share at her own pace and gave just the right amount to feedback when needed

[@piiamaria5841]

Interviewer? It's a conversation between Alex Cox's ex-wife Debbie and a detective at Chandler Police Department which she called up

[@nagymakaede3286]

@@piiamaria5841 Law enforcement conduct interviews. I would not label this a conversation. Law enforcement conduct interviews with: suspects, subjects, victims and witnesses. The "interviewer" would be the officer or detective or agent. ... So you could add to the sentence ... What a great interviewer the detective is... but for me, it doesn't seem to flow as well.

[@janeen70]

​@@nagymakaede3286 What a lovely, thoughtful reply.

[@dday9433]

Agreed. I was impressed with how calm and level-headed he seemed. She was a great witness, too, she seemed very honest and caring, despite the fact that she was an "ex" of someone who apparently cheated on her during their marriage.

[@melissaquinn5611]

@@nagymakaede3286he seems to pause when he is uncomfortable, and Debbie knows it so she is like for example... he picks her up and she wraps her legs around him, he bounces her while they make moaning noises.

[@hannahe7556]

This case just keeps getting deeper and weirder as it goes. I still haven’t got my head around it. I think the Murdaugh case is crazy but this seems to be a whole other level of batshit craziness. It almost plays out like a film script that no one would ever make because it’s unbelievable.

[@thomasswafford250]

Like the Manson murders. The motivation was so bizarre, who would have believed it.

[@bbe3034]

I was thinking about the Alex Murdaugh case. I discovered KZbin channel- Eric Alan. He grew up in the same area as the Murdaugh family in South Carolina and does amazing research on the case.

[@hannahe7556]

@@bbe3034 oh interesting, definitely will check that out, thanks 👍🏻

[@pnwlady]

Ya, more like the other Mormon/FLDS murders. Unfortunately, when your faith is is built on nonsense it’s a gateway for more nonsense.

[@JimmyBmusic1]

She’s not hot. She was never hot

[@debbiea9262]

I 100 percent believe her. Totally makes sense now why he killed for his sister.

[@Dopesellsitself]

Anyone else thought Lori's mom was off the Rocks in the Netflix documentary ?

[@brittgray1324]

Yes. Tylee and Jj were missing for how long and this grandmother was not the least bit suspicious

[@michellemooresings]

Yesss

[@prisoners23]

yup

[@TentinQuarantino_]

Anyone who does their lipstick like that is a few ants short of a picnic.

[@Dopesellsitself]

@@TentinQuarantino_ lol

[@makaylahollywood3677]

Good for this lady for getting out- she listened to her instincts. And, she is free from psychopaths. Excellent interviewer!

[@amberreid6242]

You can tell in this lady’s voice she’s like “I can’t believe I was in this circus!”

[@talkindurinthemovie]

I feel so bad for Tylee. Who knows what that poor baby went through. 😓

[@Noneofyourbusiness57817]

What about Charles Vallow? He raised children that weren’t biologically his and Tylee lies about him

[@sunleo6161]

@@Noneofyourbusiness57817 Right

[@karissaholliday7527]

@@Noneofyourbusiness57817 yes he did Tylee was his stepdaughter dad but JJ was his sister's grandchild,so they were related blood ties he and his wife Lori adopted him.

[@csc8697]

They haven't talked of her much at all.

[@susanmetz9892]

Tylee had been brain washed by her mother as well. She essentially had no reaction on the crime scene of her stepfathers murder. Watch the video.

[@candicecutthroat]

This lady was very well spoken for everything she had to explain

[@therealz360z7]

As so young when this all happened.

[@mnikcd123]

?

[@cjmiller2037]

Loris Mom looked like she was a bit on the loose side or something, strange lady.

[@-smittenkitten-1932]

I agree, I thought she did really well considering the policeman wasn't giving her much.. i thought he was quite blunt .

[@sourgreendolly7685]

@@-smittenkitten-1932 He seemed blunt in a professional manner to me. There was no dismissal of anything she said and he asked for details when needed. Even prefaced the "why now" question with the explanation that it's not him judging her. Maybe it's my own directness, but I don't think his behavior was off for the situation.

[@nickisnyder3450]

Crazy how Lori had Alex trained to kill off any husband she was done with. He talked about doing to Mr Ryan exactly what he ended up doing to Charles.

[@alyssalauren8088]

I’m so happy she wasn’t a casualty in this insanity. Rest In Peace to all of their victims, you will never be forgotten ❤️

[@Gwaycee]

True, because almost everyone who was around Lori is dead.

[@1stDoNoHarm63]

​@@Gwaycee everybody who's disagreed with Lori is gone.

[@rustinstardust2094]

It's also possible all their victims might never be discovered...since we still don't know how many there really were

[@melindamartin9765]

They got Eldon the neighbour I believe???

[@JackieSwisher619]

Poor Tylee being raised and exposed to this behavior.

[@mrqadaffi3638]

and murdered

[@hensonrook8674]

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[@mrqadaffi3638]

@@hensonrook8674 i agree

[@holden3]

@@hensonrook8674 easy for u to say !

[@ginarizzo1039]

😂😂

[@tweetiebirdism]

This fills in a lot of the questions I had about these two. I wondered why Alec was so eager to kill for her.

[@BlueBabyAkaAj]

The minute someone says they want to just kill someone I'm gone.

[@communitybirthcenter321]

There are many reasons incest is a sin. And this explains a lot for me in how a mother could kill her children and family. There were absolutely no boundaries for them.

[@ascrolldownabbeylane]

Accurate!

[@carolannpacificadam1944]

Oh absolutely!! The epitome of crazy here !!

[@lisaboucher5553]

Yeah not only boundaries but they had unhealthy relation ships so the rest of us see brother and sister as one way and kids is another way but they don't

[@ceetee6939]

Absolutely- and thank god one of the kids made it out alive.. smh poor tylee and jj all the instability & insanity at the end and isolation- that must have been so hard.

[@NsyShwl]

True. I remember as a child my mother telling us about what to do and what not to do around my sisters.. they even said that in danger we should be the ones to push ourselves forward in protection of our sisters.. it just baffles me how you can possibly do something like that and just go on vacation to Hawaii as if everything is fine.. felt good though to see how their face changed once they were served papers.. hopefully all of the innocent find peace ❤..

[@Cindy-qe5rw]

The fact that no-one followed up with her from any of thole agencies she left tips for (including the FBI) should be disturbing for anyone who hear it because it is NOT uncommon.

[@gypsy3171]

We all know the FBI is pretty much a farce

[@klm4446]

I watch a true crime channel called That Chapter and it's unbelievable (yet believable) how many times law enforcement is like meh, we don't need to look into THAT and the murderer literally evades them for years or sometimes decades.

[@amyh7554]

Facts!!!! So awfully sad for these sweet angels

[@amyh7554]

@@klm4446 Omgggggg I love “That Chapter!!”

[@NNavyBBlue]

I know right?! Where are her journals? She can prob write a book with all that info

[@melissagottlieb3381]

Unbelievable job telling your story. I’m so glad you saved yourself. As a survivor I can testify that there are really creepy dynamics in families with generational SA. Shocking to most, but disturbingly normalized within the family. What an absolute web of destruction and evil.

[@gemmag.2988]

Just like the incredibly evil and violent Borgia family in medieval Italy...

[@ramblinrose960]

She used her brother till she no longer needed him to kill for her. She and Daybell are equally guilty.

[@mrs.bforlife9279]

Way back when when Lori's friend, Melanie Gibb testified, I knew something inappropriate was going on between those two this just solidifies it.

[@Lady1974M]

I'd heard about this allegation between Alex and Lori ages ago but no-one brought it up since so I've always wondered just what sort of relationship those two had. Every time someone said they were 'close' I suspected 'close' meant beyond the everyday definition. I have 3 brothers - all older - and not one would have touched me or my sister in that way. Our father would have cut off their hands.

[@gemmag.2988]

Plus I am sure it would never have occurred to your bros. !

[@daveh4925]

Lori has tasted that brother man milk i suspect in every hole as if they are doing that in front of her they had to have done stuff - crazy huh

[@LucindaGaskill-zv3hk]

Or something else.

[@lifeisgood3589]

Yea kinda a strange comment. I'm sure your brothers would never touch you because your their sister. Not out of fear. Not sure what to make out of you saying it like that

[@Lady1974M]

@@lifeisgood3589 *you're

[@BrokenWingsSC]

It was so obvious she had a hold of him somehow because it never was any type of a normal brother sister relationship period. So do I believe this lady ? Heck yes!

[@daveh4925]

Oh she held his bro milk in her booty im sure

[@launderedcotton8070]

Why am I not surprised?

[@river8760]

Exactly.

[@rhythmnblues9195]

Sorry but anytime I hear anything about the LDS it’s always weird cases like this…family…stuff 🙄 The Joshua Powell case was similar. Strange.

[@mrs.bendover8613]

Same. So weird.

[@jennykirchhoff708]

Yep… I was thinking the exact same thing!

[@bonnie_gail]

and Ruby Franke and Jodi Hildebrandt

[@yourdarkestfears2231]

I think we ALL had this suspicion from the jump

[@marianmartin9441]

yep

[@user-vw8ov8ue5z]

This is all so disturbing. These poor innocent children. What they had to witness and forced to live with during their short time here on earth. 😢

[@terenasimons2787]

So that means psycho sister was telling him lies so that her brother would get rid of the husband for her. Wow what a messed up family.

[@PeterGibbonns]

Her brother was just as crazy too. The whole family is nuts, nobody gets a pass.

[@gmaw23beauties37]

Promise of his life insurance!!!! Until her husband pulled a fast one and changed the beneficiary!!!!!

[@mykidsaresupercute]

I figured Lori and Alex were sleeping together. A guy isn't going to murder someone like that unless he thinks there's something in it for him. It seems like he thought Lori was "his."

[@juliuscaesart]

🧐🤯🤢

[@rrksk]

A guy? He was her brother

[@mykidsaresupercute]

@@rrksk and? There are some sick individuals in the world.

[@krazyforkale]

Perhaps Alex was not Lori's blood brother, and so they had a fling growing up?

[@sunleo6161]

@@krazyforkale it doesn’t matter?

[@georgieeve2026]

Sis really brought all the tea ☕

[@robingillespie4467]

Yes, listening to her makes me realize this woman was going to be murdered by Al but, she was smart and got out safely.

[@sourgreendolly7685]

And thank gods it was before having kids with him!

[@blacknight2149]

Thank GOODNESS she got out! She could have been another victim at some point! God bless her listening to her intuition n I’m sure God had a hand in this as well. 🙏🏻

[@redwoodrebelgirl3010]

God speaks to us, using our intuition. In my experience & opinion.

[@shaunaellis6619]

I believe Tylee started to become rebellious towards her mother and uncle after she witnessed what they were really capable of doing to people. Tylee knew too much and they probably thought she told her brother what really happened to Charles so, they both had to go. Alex had to die because he knew Chad got a lot of money after Tammy's death and was constantly wanting his share or he would end Chad

[@littlewingmyoho]

I think they ambushed him with the phone as bait.Charles was jacked and looked much stronger than his friend and family member Alex

[@sinahaase9923]

@@littlewingmyoho probably:/ so sad

[@Soltice-ty2nf]

I think they killed JJ because he was a burden while Tylee knew to much and say something.

[@gc8024]

She was jealous of her own daughter. Narc mother's get that way. Once they hit teens. Just one reason

[@DVelez-wz3fe]

@@Soltice-ty2nf Lori also stole Tylees SS benefits

[@jeanP924]

What Alex did to Charles is exactly what he wanted to do to Joseph Ryan. This interview points to Lori and Alex baiting JR to kill him. They managed to stun gun him or drug him and suffocate him in Joes apartment. its compelling to hear this knowing what we know now.

[@summertime11413]

I believe every last word she said, because the first time I heard about this on the News I said something weird about these siblings. Those poor kids wow 😞🙏🏾

[@lisahoban7368]

These aren't lies no this is the facts. You can tell by the way she tells it

[@nomedigas7946]

Definitely connects some dots and as others are saying not surprising in the least. 🤦‍♀️🤯

[@lisazdvoru1660]

Honestly, there was a weird vibe between them in the documentary. I kept thinking, this guy is her brother? Brother? The way they spoke did not sound like a sibling relationship at all.

[@lovepet4565]

Omg this is absolutely insane in the membrane

[@heleneocleary5888]

Insane in the 🧠 brain!

[@ZeldaZelda-RichesToRags]

and ABSOULTELY true!

[@Pussycatwhiskers]

@@heleneocleary5888 hahaha I was going to say that too 😂🤣😂

[@stevesosebee5860]

Those poor children had to live with these demons until they were murdered !!!

[@oliviahancook5195]

When I first heard the strange relationship and I thought he Alex acted more like a lover than a brother. I really believe this exwife of Alex. Also the fact he already had a plan to kill someone and goading them into a fight which he did with Charles.

[@Jane-ic5gy]

I wonder if this lady is going to be a witness. “Sins of our mother” includes testimony from Lori Vallows mother who indicates they had a wonderful normal family. Anyone who follow this case knows this is not the truth.

[@dianealarcon8304]

These two apple(s) didn’t fall far from the tree. What secrets are their Mom and dad keeping.

[@kirpdeb]

@@dianealarcon8304 probably SA and incest.

[@manarmarzouk8595]

Lori’s mother is emotionally detached. Nothing she said was warm, not coming from tbe heart

[@smalltowngirlbigcityheart3724]

@@manarmarzouk8595I know! Janis is very bizarre, VERY bizarre-

[@jennykirchhoff708]

She was twisted and delusional… I hold the parents just as responsible

[@Gxie]

7:38 and on…. Omg. NO brother & sisters act like that. I have a brother and I can 💯 say that we have NEVER acted that way. You guys know this too. Makes sense that is how she had him whipped. So gross. 🤢🤢

[@despicabledavidshort3806]

Yea, I have a brother and we fought all the time, never weirdness

[@patelvidhi]

When i saw her mom and her sister's interview it was before JJ Nad her sister's body was found. And I feel so weird and it was creepy. They all look and seems like crazy

[@patelvidhi]

​@@despicabledavidshort3806 Exactly I have brother and we fought and beat each other since we were kid. He is one year younger than me but when it comes for safety he is best brother. But I never saw this . This Lori makes me feel dizzy even her past.

[@xlargetophat]

Creepy.

[@nooodles939]

​@@despicabledavidshort3806 🎉⁹0⁰😊🎉🎉🎉🎉😂90s] [llp]0😂❤❤❤p]

[@livea3596]

Good, honest interview. Very revealing.

[@zovalentine7305]

Rest in powerful peace Tylee🙏 and J.J.🙏

[@stacyeandrew2]

Here is what u do when someone threatens someone.. call and make a report so they have it on file. Period!!!

[@brasstacks7181]

It was pretty evident in the Netflix show that there was something very OFF about Lori Vallow's mom as well. The more you learn about this family, the more you realize that Lori's parent's nurtured narcissism and psychopathy, same with the hypersexuality. This is one very sick family and in spite of the outcome, Lori's parent's and her sister Summer remain in denial. Lori's brother Adam probably would have been Alex's next hit, which is why he only went to his mom to vent his "concerns" of Lori. He did not go to the police when Charles asked for his help, yet now Adam & his uncle are allover the internet now talking about this tragedy. Lori & Chad had too many enablers. If they went against Lori & Chad they became the next target and they knew it. BOTH Lori and Chad are EQUALLY responsible and I pray neither one of them ever experience life outside a prison cell again. They will always be a danger to society. PERIOD.

[@Ladyjojo695]

All of them

[@kjr2868]

I think even the policeman on the police-line was stuttering, as the ex-wife was graphically describing the inter-family goings-on! She did the right thing ... and ran ...

[@jessicamazariegos749]

Right! He was struggling to compute. 🤔🫢😳😬🤮

[@007Taylor]

He dropped the ball big time. Those kids could have been saved had he followed up. Lazy police.

[@Sense_Incensed]

@@007Taylor This call was made months AFTER she heard the children were missing. He did not drop the ball, none of them did. She began calling the authorities in January. The children were murdered in September.

[@nicholmarie36]

Woo! What a doozy of a conversation. Just wow! Very telling re: the twisted relationship between the two siblings. Appalling to say the least.

[@Boxxxesi35000]

Netflix got me here, this case is tragically crazy

[@RobbieJayOne]

This explains a lot. Chandler police were in over their head with this complex case. Maybe it was too unbelievable to them, until the dominos started falling. And maybe there were LDS members in police department.

[@China-Clay]

Chandler is swimming in resources from a dozen other cities in the vicinity, they should’ve done better than they did

[@xyzconsult4903]

Rwad that book "Leaving the Saints" and the practice of "abrahamic sacrifices". Chad was excomm'd twice. LORI and ALEX brought incest and murder to Cha'ds doomsday cult.

[@badghoul-ld7vj]

I was born and raised in SLC, Utah and can confirm that the Mormons control EVERYTHING that goes on in this state. The lawmakers, the police and even the department of alcoholic beverages services, how many licenses to serve alcohol in restaurants or bars are distributed, like the southern end of the salt lake valley where I grew up has the highest concentration of Mormons, the yuppy Mormons with money, and so many people have attempted to open bars and restaurants thta serve alcohol and none ever succeed. The Mormons are dead set on forcing their agendas and lifestyles on all residents of this state. It is complete bs. I stopped going when I was 13, caused an uproar when I asked why women aren't allowed to be bishops or give blessings or even be included in meetings or have any say whatsoever in decision making. Expected to shut up and make babies and raise those babies. Mormons are so self interested they feel the need to have tons of little carbon copies of themselves, adding to the overpopulation of this planet. It's absolutely insane. It is definitely a cult. Many crimes that happen thta involve bishops or even just LDS members, the police and Mormon owned news outlets here will bury the stories. Massive story came out thanks to SL Tribune about the church hiding billions of dollars thta the church has been stockpiling since the 70s that they claimed was for humanitarian needs, helping chugch members, etc but thya not a dime has been spent of it. On anything. Only added to. So they lied about their assets and lied about what it is being spent on, (not spent on) and how much. Just awful.

[@vybenails6891]

Yes that's probably true

[@Sense_Incensed]

@@xyzconsult4903 It was Alex who was excommunicated twice. Chad's sister-in-law warned the local church leaders about Chad but they did nothing.

[@dianabraley8307]

Something very weird was happening in this family. Some people don't have the normal boundaries that most have. Sorry but I just read about an actress that married her first cousin - and being that Mormons used to be into multiple marriages - why are we not believing what she is saying. I don't want to believe that this happens in the world - but unfortunately it probably does.

[@KimAhrina11]

married with a first cousin is not that something, they're not siblings that come from the same parents/both dad & mom

[@graedot]

I suspect that when they were younger something happened between the two. I'm guessing an end was put to it, but the remnants were still there, he never got over it, and she used it to her full advantage!

[@megangambill2018]

I always thought that Lori and Alex had a strange relationship. It seemed to me like she had him wrapped around her finger. Just a really strange relationship.

[@joannadechenne6368]

The hot incest express. With his SISTER.

[@donachaffinhodge]

Ditto

[@smalltowngirlbigcityheart3724]

@megangambill2018 That’s not the only thing she had him wrapped around!! 😱😱😱

[@noelvoss6744]

I had wondered what happened to Lori based on how people talked about her, but this explains A LOT!!!!!! Lori's family dynamics gives insight as to how she turned out the way she did. I also got the impression that Alex and Lori had an odd relationship.

[@moonovernight9834]

Lori 's mom was a bit strange to me. makes sense now

[@MsSugar1209]

A bit???

[@natalietitus3234]

I think the same way. Soooo strange. I get a vibe of off-ness ! Just something isn’t 100% level. Yuck

[@monicarose2135]

A malignant narcissist manipulated everyone around her, feeding them whatever lies it took to get them to do her evil bidding

[@debgrant8776]

Thank you for coming forward with your story and information. No matter how small what you know may be, it adds pieces to the puzzle. It was actually quite interesting information! It's great you got out of that family and now have a better life. May we all pray for the decedents in this case and may they RIP 🌹🙏🌹

[@LtRee96se]

Somehow I am not surprised. Those two were very, very close. Well, we will find out someday.

[@zovalentine7305]

Rest in powerful peace Tammy Daybell 🙏

[@DVelez-wz3fe]

And Charles!

[@quinnlovescats]

And the kids, tylee and j.j!

[@ariloves10]

Amen 🙏🏼 🙏🏼 🙏🏼 🙏🏼

[@PicoAndSepulveda]

She was smart to ditch him when she did!

[@Ultra-Collector]

The end was really creepy! Additional information…Additional Information….😢

[@kathleenhammett7528]

So he probably baited Charles ..

[@ZeldaZelda-RichesToRags]

as his sister Master-B'ted her brother, Alex...I think THAT was the big, noisy CALL THE COPS level fight they had out in the street one night years ago....Alex had been gone on the road, didn't have $ for a truck-stop date, so he brought things home to his sister Lori but she was busy trying to figure out how much money she'd gain if she murdered a certain someone.. Alex needed Lori to take care of his stiffie willie....like the one Chad describes in his love novel...Loin Fire....burning hot. As Chad states is a medical FACT about Loin Fire.

[@lethalviolet]

@@ZeldaZelda-RichesToRags 🤣🤣🤣👌

[@brianphillips9152]

I need a gd structure chart to figure out this crime.

[@smalltowngirlbigcityheart3724]

EVERBODY DOES!!

[@tarbert363]

So difficult to take in the sick detail that this lady is providing and realise the cops just didn't bother to follow up. There are very sick people out there and also very sick families who are downright evil.

[@Mandy_76]

To think if this had been taken seriously is heart breaking. Charles, JJ, Tylee and Tammy may still be alive, may they rest in parade 😢💔

[@zoraidasantiago4471]

I live in Puerto Rico and did hear about a mother that would not say were her children were but I really didn't know anything else. But I found this case in KZbin and everything I have heard about this case has blown my mind, hearing this interview I have 5 brothers and they never did anything inappropriate with me and my sister, but yes I think her brother was in love with her and she knew it and used him to kill her husband this case is more terrifying then any movie I have seen. My heart goes out for those kids that their mother who had to protect them did such a horrible thing, I ask myself how could a mother take the lives of her own children, she is worst than evil, I guess that the devil is really happy.

[@gwenthompson8347]

Thank you! This was very interesting.

[@Nurturing2]

Thank you for coming forward❣️ You are a credible source!!!

[@b.neallee7042]

That lady is so brave and straight forward. America needs more people like this lady. I believe people want to the right thing. Don't let people suck you into their dark world. Neal

[@despicabledavidshort3806]

I agree, there's more good in the world than bad

[@Peaches355]

I believe this because the Daughter in law Kelsee mentioned that Lori was jealous of her relationship with Colby.

[@JennifuhhGilardi]

Yeah we have a much different word than “promiscuity” for a grown man that sleeps with a child, it’s wild how that was just glossed over

[@lovelyshirl]

This woman seems very credible. Her statements shed a lot of light on the relationship between Lori and Alex - let's face it, it all seems very incestuous and extremely depraved and perverted. The plot thickens.

[@annaxefta587]

Yeah. Ur so smart.

[@drinkmorewater3904]

She was also gaslit and manipulated by him for years starting at a young age.

[@mynameiseve.1]

What a seriously creepy family! Good that that woman got out so quickly!

[@georginablackwell7122]

This has got to come up in the trial ! Xx

[@cappiece3786]

This was a complete failure of law enforcement and the court systems and it's still going on today they still haven't been charged with murder or sentenced to death like they need to be

[@hfrt29]

This officer is cracking me up ,,,hes probably like,, what is going on??!!😂

[@19491Tommy]

I watched the investigative tv series around this case . Lori Vallow thought she could talk her way out of murdering her own children, and her brother.

[@SteveBerryhill]

Very informative. Usually these direct phone interviews are audibly indecipherable. The Cop was metered and professional. The interviewee, "Debbie", was forthcoming and clear. Someone in this case should take a hard look at Lori and Alex's parents. Sounds like there was A LOT going on in their upbringing that twisted their worldview.

[@Sense_Incensed]

Chad's father was a nut as well. He had also wanted a cover-up. He told His other son's wife to "stop being a boat rocker" because she wanted to inform the church authorities that Chad's beliefs were antithetical to LDS doctrine. He had formed a group and used the Temple to sit and write his books, a violation of principles.

[@hammertime369]

One question how sure are we of Colby’s father being his father? 🤔

[@Jane-nt3vy]

There are some really weird people in this world.

[@Germania72]

What did I just hear? When I think I've heard everything in this case, there's always something new.

[@nitabrozowski4021]

That repeat of the detective’s voice at the end sounds so creepy…fitting for this insane case as there seems there is no end to amount of “additional information” to this case.

[@terrylyons3577]

It's interesting to hear this woman's perspective of what was happening in her life when she was married to Alex and how she views it now. We all accumulate wisdom through the years. She sounds like a very competent well-rounded lady

[@mariathomas4815]

I am glad she walked away, she would have been one of his victims, God's has away of stepping in, she married into a cult like family, I believe this woman.

[@dina7462]

Too bad god dint step in for the kids

[@trehugr4life]

Cult family 🎯

[@Mynameisdarkxxo]

This has me thinking maybe Charles walked in on them the day he was murdered, this “affair” was nonexistent, it was just between Lori and Alex

[@amandaican.1267]

Oh good thinking.

[@lieke9460]

No, they planned it, like with Ryan, like Brendan, Tammy

[@dbohler8640]

After watching the documentary, this doesn’t surprise me a bit.

[@catgray1]

Wow. That was seriously disturbing.