The real reasons behind Rishi Sunak's failing Conservative election campaign

[@luiscampos1527]

How it started: stop the boats How it is going: stop the bets. I want to declare July the 5th our freedom day. The day we got rid of the most corrupt and incompetent government!!!

[@MedievalFolkDance]

I'm genuinely starting to wonder if Rishi hasn't got a bet on a Tory wipeout himself.

[@hypsyzygy506]

I'm pretty sure he has. It explains so much.

[@johnking5174]

Which bookmakers would accept his bet?

[@samgrainger1554]

He was in on the big short type behaviour prior to 2008. 'Made' a fortune that the taxpayer paid for. I suspect he has some bet on somehow.

[@stewarteldridge5498]

I'll be honest I had wondered the same about whether someone close has taken out a spread on the size of a labour majority as it would explain a lot

[@monkeyboy8424]

The Tory coffin can't take many more nails.

[@diamondpoolie6690]

More nails than wood now!😂😂😂

[@XenonPrimeSBSV]

You won't need any bearers for it, just a big magnet!

[@melgrant7404]

Has been buried long ago.

[@TheSuperPsychoKiller]

Don’t say it’s the worst. They can go lower.

[@stephenhill545]

They are opening the door for the far-right.

[@GeoffV-k1h]

Tories at the weekend...' It can't get any worse for us than this'. Then it does.

[@strikeforcealpha9343]

Sunak: Hold my beer.

[@hholton7245]

When questioned on National Service, Sunak said he would use access to finance and sanction people who refused. That is sinister, would you want to fight for a country led by Sunak? If left to Sunak and the Tories they will force people to carry out National Service through coercion.

[@TimesFM4532]

We’ve a word for forced labour

[@stephfoxwell4620]

Taking away driving licences, passports and debit cards. Cash is King.

[@BonaFide54]

Please stop putting a 30 sec coming up at the start its really frustrating having to skip the start of the video.

[@lesterfalcon1350]

Sometimes it's as long as 2.30. Such a waste of time. Then you get a weird deja vue moments later.

[@Woodzta]

Pretty sure the hook is for the algorithm. No idea how effective it is. That being said, that's often what SponsorBlock is there to fix. I just wished more Brits actually used it.

[@allonwne]

They have no respect for other people’s time 💩

[@BenRobinson1974]

The day Johnson became leader it was all over.

[@marksimons8861]

The day so many Tories declared themselves to favour Brexit is the day the party died.

[@TheSuperPsychoKiller]

Cameron made Brexit possible.

[@mrpocock]

Before that, when the Tory remain party machinery lost control of the brexit referendum process. They were a dead party walking from that moment.

[@evaluateanalysis7974]

@@TheSuperPsychoKiller Correct. Cameron lived in a bubble and had no idea of what ordinary people thought. He didn't take their dissatisfaction with the EU seriously and probably told the EU so when he was supposed to expressing that dissatisfaction. The result was that the EU took no notice and people decided they had to do something themselves to change things - they voted out.

[@JelMain]

It had already happened, he murdered his way to the top. Political assassination in all directions, anyone who might pose a threat. Then he discovered what he'd done, that nobody can run the country alone.

[@globalistgamer6418]

They really should have called this series "How to Lose an Election"...

[@adriancoe2328]

Many Will Never Ever forgive these corrupt Tories for what they have done!!! Too many to mention!!

[@jasoncooper9391]

Old Bookies caught a corrupt Tory pulling a fast one 😂😂😂

[@jasoncooper9391]

@@Viper91157 aslong as they don't touch power who cares

[@jasoncooper9391]

@@Viper91157 Tories would sell there own Granny if they could get a profit 🤣🤣🤣

[@VinceLammas]

Labour has to it's advantage the fact they will actually TRYING to address the problems and challenges rather than operating wildly without any plan or strategy (which we have seen from the Conservatives since the Brexit vote)!

[@petercassidy0628]

Where are the cabinet ministers just seems just sunak and he is really just useless.

[@GeoffV-k1h]

They've all given up.

[@mattutes]

They have been out there, but they are all non-entities, so you probably just haven't noticed them.

[@strikeforcealpha9343]

"I'm not a monster, I'm just ahead of the curve."

[@garethyoung6067]

Exactly. To many mistakes, to much blood on the Tories hands.

[@jcd-kh7rn]

ridiculous to ask a question about what will happen at an election in 2034 on the basis that Labour will win 2 terms. One thing that is obvious from the last few elections is how volatile political opinion is now and that everything can change relatively quickly.

[@musicman5075]

Daniel why is it that political parties accumulate huge war chests and rich donors give the tory party eye popping contributions to spend on their campaigns if campaigns don't make any difference?

[@JohnShaw-zm2pc]

Farage economics has been compared to Liz truss economics that crashed the economy .this would scare the financial markets.

[@Lynnpjjbdndji]

Reforms owner is a disaster capitalist... That is exactly what a 1.2 trillion spending plan will do ..... Idiot !

[@fredo1070]

Rishi wants to lose, he has told the generals that he doesn't want to be a wartime Prime Minister.

[@MartinBowler-r7r]

If he had to pick a football team to captain he would have run out of subs 10 mins into the Game.😂😂😂

[@jeffsmith3392]

I’ve heard that too.

[@mauricetucker8754]

No successful policy or directions to shout about, bankrupted economy sold out Britain debts interest on them 110billion?A year ,thanks and good bye?

[@TM1337FalconPunch]

Starmer and Labour need to be pitching themselves as the party of law and order now. Forget left vs right, forget high taxes vs low taxes or remain vs leave. The Tories have proven themselves disastrously corrupt and unfit for the burdens of office, and Farage and Reform are looking to capitalise on this to undermine and dismantle every institution that stands in their way. The SNP are mired in multiple campaign finance investigations. This is why trust in politics is so low. There is only one way to combat this- someone *has* to stand up for what the country is about and demonstrate that they aren't all the same. And a major part of that is going to be speaking to the Dannys and Rory Stewarts of the country and saying, this is our common ground, we care that there are rules, we don't disrespect institutions, and don't just listen to ourselves. If that process doesn't happen it's only going to get worse.

[@Clare0116]

Cons and Labour can't claim to be tough on crime when they have both allowed in uncontrolled hostile criminal invaders, many of them have have committed serious crimes and are filling the prisons so that they no longer send criminals to prison! We know they are WEF-loving liars and don't believe anything they say because they didn't keep their previous election pledges!

[@gerristaples3595]

You mean like Starmer being clueless about the investigation into Jimmy Seville’s crimes when he was head of CPS?

[@markmasterson4811]

You are so spot on with this comment. Great analysis.

[@georgespruce6028]

Do not think labour will be any better they are just has bad has the Tories. And may be worse. In my humble opinion.😂

[@Dilbert-o5k]

Or the Muslim grooming gangs. Another case he is implicated in

[@rsfaeges5298]

Props to Polly for her point re "counterfactuals"

[@richardhuckle5715]

Bring back fixed term Government periods, so the election date is set. And only allow any Government to change PM once without triggering need for General Election.

[@bradwhiteuk]

I think Daniel's claim that the Tories "are not losing because they're making mistakes - they're making mistakes because they're losing" is SO far off the mark. I think clearly BOTH are happening. They feed into each other. BUT fundamentally, they wouldn't be losing if they hadn't made mistakes. You can argue about when it was that they began their path to disaster. But IMO the mistake that set off the chain-reaction was David Cameron's kowtowing to the ERG faction of his party in granting them the Brexit referendum. He should've shown some bottle and kicked that element from the party. Instead, he enabled them, and they've destroyed much of what the Tories used to stand for. They're an unserious, unprincipled, myopic, and embarrassing mess, and I'm honestly surprised 20% of the population are still gonna vote for them.

[@Dilbert-o5k]

The reverse is true. Camoron and many of the rest of the Tories are not really conservative. They haven't been for decades, hence their policies being similar to the centre left ie they are mainly libdems in disguise, with a smattering of more right wing MPs that try vainly to stop the slide to the left . Even Boris isn't really right wing but he got the loaned Brexit party vote to get things done. COVID got in the way and gave the remoaners behind the curtain the chance to lever him and Truss out. Whatever you think of those two, they had the Tory establishment trying to contain them all the time they were in office.

[@rayofhope1114]

There is one big trick that will boost the economy and investment almost instantly - effectively join the EU single market and eliminate all of the barriers to trade and red tape at the borders. Probablte immediate increase toGgDP this year of up to additional £60billion or more over and above existing trends. Don't talk about it now but switch it on within weeks of July5th.

[@garethyoung6067]

Conservative Party Central Office? Somebody just put the lights out!!!

[@mrpocock]

In 10 years it will be about full integration with Europe, as a nation that has watched Scotland and Northern Ireland win their independence and join the EU.

[@Kevin-bl6lg]

Please, from Europe here...don't believe that you can come back to rejoin. Live your drama and play with your empire's big plans ... but don't rejoin to tell us all about it!

[@dennisgreene7164]

I suspect the price of re-entry has risen substantially since 2016. Entry into the Euro and no special deals or opt-outs would be my guess. The EU now holds all the cards thanks to the idiots some of us voted into power.

[@Dilbert-o5k]

@nincompoop no chance, we are never going back. If it means that much to you, get a work permit and head over. Enjoy the rest of your life without inflicting nonsense on the rest of us.

[@salmagaryjohnson2213]

Ive been saving this podcast until after the election. Loving Danny flogging a dead horse. Just shows how out of touch Conservative HQ is with the electorate

[@thehealinggame]

Can i bet each way on the Tories ?

[@adriancoe2328]

Very silly question!!

[@carolyoung8945]

I think he wants to lose and take themal down with him

[@DD-sr9xm]

Hilarious, ALREADY predicting an unpopular labour government with no agenda and only two terms. Old habits die hard.

[@JelMain]

That's because they don't recognise the real winners, None of the Above. If you only speak for 1 in 6 of the electorate, is your election real? Maybe it should trigger a second run with entirely new candidates.

[@Inspectazoid]

The bald Tory is living in a Dreamworld

[@ianclarke3627]

Everything wrong with the country is the Tories fault because they are in power 4/5's of the time.

[@joshuaparrott2458]

The labour polling hasn't dropped. Despite Nigel Farage taking over Reform. ------ Make that what you will.

[@dapfordvondappington8306]

Spin in action. 'The numbers for the Labour party have not shifted at all', they have, they have gone down. It just so happens that the Conservatives have gone down by about the same amount so the difference is about the same. Labour at 44% at the start of June 41% on the 21st. This is supposed to be an informed expert. Is lying or incompetence encoded in Tory DNA?

[@paulinetipper1351]

VOTE REFORM,

[@dapfordvondappington8306]

@@paulinetipper1351 Nah. I prefer non racist, non Putin supporting politicians and parties.

[@Dilbert-o5k]

Not labour then?

[@sarahmarley108]

Although there is also a suggestion that Labour votes are going to Lib Dems due to tactical voting.

[@SomeoneBeginingWithI]

@@sarahmarley108 definitely some of it is tactical voting. I think also some people may be going towards the lib dems because labour is so close to the centre at the moment and the lib dems are actually to the left of labour on social issues. So people who are left on social issues and usually vote labour may be going over to the lib dems, since the lib dems have a better chance of winning than the greens in most seats.

[@ingerfaber3411]

Rain, Titanic, home early from D-Day, being "deprived" of Sky as a child, running sheep, betting ... the story about the Tory party is also about the campaign

[@RobCarmina]

The present voting system should be changed to Proportional Representation - if Labour were to bring that in during their first 5 years, then the next election will be a very different affair to this one - which is why Labour probably will try to resist the pressure to bring in PR. As regards the small boats - why can't they order the Navy to patrol the Channel? - in the reign of Elizabeth I the Navy was called 'the wooden walls of England' - now they have ships made of sheet steel a foot thick but are doing nothing to stop this invasion.

[@tompearce3610]

The boat problem is a Tory creation through ineptitude and Brexit. Assuming some humanity and international responsibility then we should grant Asylum in appropriate cases. Removing safe routes and insisting that applications have to be made in the UK creates the wedge issue (boats, not processing claims and resultant accommodation costs plus the insanity of Rwanda). An Asylum Assessment Centre in France resolves all the above, almost entirely. Pretty obvious political reasons for refusing and wasting our taxes.

[@jonathanfell688]

Cheaters, a Spiv culture, rule breakers, me first.... None of that sits at all well with the British.

[@AnthonyNickson-r3t]

right, like

[@chelloandra]

The Tories lost ethics since brexit preceded by austerity

[@willford54]

The debate over whether the dreadful conservatives campaign is a cause of a loss of support or an effect of it was very interesting. I would suggest that the campaign and the 'betting' scandal is like a dark Haiku for the conservatives tenure. Privileged, arrogant, detached and blundering. To me it has validated all negative perceptions of the Tory shambles since Brexit.

[@thethinkingcatakaneonormie3527]

The first election I actually took notice of was 1992 as I was about 14

[@ColinGarner-h1t]

Rishis world and ours are chalk and cheese .

[@allip4226]

Your right-wing bias is showing again, Times “journalists.” Literally no reason whatsoever to assume Labour will fail and become hated very quickly yet you somehow manage to take this as a given anyway!

[@jacob2808]

Well it is a right wing paper, not exactly surprising to find bias is it

[@damianbutterworth2434]

The Tories are finished because they did not do as they were told by the people.

[@user-uy3bj9ue5c]

1 mil on bet 365?😅

[@garethyoung6067]

I just put £1M on it snowing on July 4th

[@einseitig3391]

I think you are describing a different election. The Labour vote has not moved because people have already decided who they are voting for. No extra gaffes will lead to a marked increase in the polls. Equally we have a stubborn percentage of the population who appear to want to vote Tory. This in spite of the mess the country is in. This can be explained quite simply, there are those who are well off enough not to be adversely affected. The Conservatives on 16% is pretty poor, however, I doubt if Reform were to match the 16% that it would translate in to the same number of seats. It is a quirk of the first past the post system that areas that are staunchly Conservative will still return a Tory MP.

[@garethyoung6067]

But it won’t restart.

[@simmybear31]

You're all sounding rather desperate guys so much about the future being dictated by labour failing rather than anything about the Tories succeeding - Lovely Jubbly 😂😂

[@grahamwood7395]

Daniel Finkelstein, is usually worth listening to, this broadcast he's so off the mark! His political preference is clouding his judgement. When things go wrong they confirm a view of incompetence, the betting scandal confirms a view that the national party has still not shaken off individuals in high positions setting themselves up for personal gain. Even amongst its support they've lost any moral authority. Get it right Daniel!

[@Tom_murray89]

The downfall began when David Cameron resigned. Also the Tories now have reform the contend with

[@Lynnefromlyn]

Ot began when he kowtowed to the right in his party and gave us a badly designed referendum. Which should o;not have been advisory, and should have clearly laid out the criteria for a win. It was an appalling move and then he walked away from the carnage he had brought in.

[@FenderTele]

The election campaign of 2024 will be a question in history and politics exams for centuries to come. Here is a possible question, outline the events of the 2024 general election and how its outcome shaped the political system we have at present.

[@garethyoung6067]

Don’t worry, Mr Trump will give the King 1peppercorn for whatever’s left.

[@adampowell5376]

Does Time Radio talk about anything other than opinion polls?

[@PaulAJohnston1963]

No Daniel is either deluded or something else.

[@PaulHooton-w8w]

What was that staying Harold Wilson said about political difficulties events dear boy event's 😅

[@garethyoung6067]

Such fun bluetooth over GBnews!

[@garethyoung6067]

Check the difference between 50Hz and 60hz, but I just remembered, you guys threw away all those good technical stadands, and don’t do techie stuff

[@samgrainger1554]

If labor isn't talking about wealth redistribution (in a country more unequal than during the guilded age)... life is not going to improve.

[@Dilbert-o5k]

Are you American? Labour spelled differently over here.

[@samgrainger1554]

@@Dilbert-o5k just dyslexia compadre

[@ronstriebig2749]

Good result if evil capitalism as defined by Einstein in his 1949 paper Why Socialism comes to.pass

[@hollyjenkins1500]

SERIOUS QUESTION what would happen if Labour won every single seat? Obviously unlikely however the centre right/right wing votes are all fragmented ? Would Labour be forced to have another election? Or would they split ie left wing vs centrists ? Any ideas?

[@johnking5174]

It is really impossible for that to happen, as Labour are not in Northern Ireland, only they are linked to the SDLP there, so 18 seats that would never become Labour won't get them all seats. So no, 100% never happen.

[@ianclarke3627]

Sunak looks like he's going grey in your thumbnail?

[@melgrant7404]

He is.

[@Dude-etiquette]

Let’s remember they destroyed their chances under Boris and Liz, this isn’t all Rishi.

[@Dilbert-o5k]

It is

[@melgrant7404]

Rishi did nothing to improve things so has to carry the full history of tory failure.

[@JRWatchman85]

Such a presumptuous question stating that Labour have already won a second term. Global events on top of Labour incompetence is going to tank their numbers quickly, there won't be a honeymoon period like in 1997.

[@kerrymcgeachy3571]

You dont no the half of it

[@jeffsmith3392]

As soon as arrogant Starmer moves towards a customs union or single market the Labour support will drain away.

[@josephhodgetts136]

Any Conservative MP can collect one of these 🧠🧠🧠🧠🧠 from the Reform Party 😂

[@adriancoe2328]

Reform UK will grow!!

[@24yrukdesigner]

The real reason is REFORM!

[@Lynnefromlyn]

Absolute CODSWALLOP! We do NOT want the damned fascists back after those veterans you were wetting your pants over the other weekend, fought them and got them out of Europe. WE DO NOT WANT FASCISM HERE!

[@wolfeflambe]

You know reform are even more snotty nosed narcissists than the tories?

[@24yrukdesigner]

@@wolfeflambe no they're not at all. They are everyone from every end of the earth and spectrum.

[@sysasst670]

Conservative voters need to wake up and realise that it's no longer a conservative party. It's just Labour with a different name. High taxes, high immigration, strikes and discontent - Vote Reform

[@Dave-K-Notts]

Vote reform.

[@brooksy416]

Vote reform

[@keewng]

Bombay Tody Boy is better at selling Tody not selling Politics to Colonial masters!

[@sandrafoxley735]

all he had to do was read some youtube comments then scrap net zero, leave the echr, make us energy independent , go full steam ahead to capitalise on Brexit, and stop all the nonsense aimed at car owners - just one of these would have been a tremendous leap forward - unfortunately it means sunak the loser would have had to Stand up for the people of Britain .........

[@rubberbuggybumper...821]

Immigrants Preachinting to the Natives...

[@sisensi3721]

The public generally holds theConservative party in contempt. Their 2019 manifesto turned out to be full of lies. We didn't vote for the WEF in 2019 but that's what we got, and Labour will be even worse. Time to vote for Reform UK

[@DisleyDavid]

Have you any idea who the WEF is?

[@sisensi3721]

@@DisleyDavid Yes, they are a Malthusian cult

[@tompearce3610]

Against a forum for improving the world but in favour of a limited company that promises impossible things. It's Brexit all over again but I imagine many who were conned before will be queuing up to be conned again.

[@Lynnefromlyn]

WE DO NOT WANT THE FASCIST PARTY HERE!

[@wolfeflambe]

@@tompearce3610yeah the Brexit type are definitely the type to vote reform. They do love those who don’t think critically.

[@johnadams7403]

Labour won't last 2yrs! Vote reform 🇬🇧

[@tomnorton7817]

If by “won’t last 2 years” you mean “can call the next election up to 5 years after the current one”, then you’d be closer to the truth. Reform won’t do anything unless there is electoral reform and a move away from FPTP. The country is predominantly centrist in nature and noisy outliers don’t make a majority in parliament.

[@BN-hk6wf]

Polly Mackenzie has such contempt for ordinary people who disagree with her - she oozes contempt for people who believe in Britain, controlled immigration and effective action against criminals. She is an elitist and utterly out of touch.

[@tomnorton7817]

Well it’s always good reading something pulled out of thin air