I Forced Myself to Use macOS For 30 Days (macOS Challenge)

[@Livakivi]

Can't believe this video is finally finished! Took absolutely forever, so I hope it was enjoyable to watch! Also, BEFORE MAKING SUGGESTIONS IN THE COMMENTS, please watch the entire video first, as there is a high chance that I've already found a solution/workaround for whatever you might want to leave a suggestion on! I'm writing this just because I had lots of people making paragraph long comments on the Linux video before watching to the end, so, many of those comments ended up being about thing things I actually already covered later in the video! Speaking of the Linux challenge - I definitely want to give it another go and make a part 2 in the (near) future, but I'm not entirely sure when that's going to happen due to the things I explained at the end of this video. If you haven't seen that video yet, here's a link to it: kzbin.info/www/bejne/o6C8qH5mjrJ5oLM

[@hackbustersminecraft]

On the mac with asahi this time? Or on the desktop pc?

[@cylian8422]

@@hackbustersminecraft I'd love to see his view on Asahi

[@ColemakDH]

I really hope you find solutions for your problems with Linux (mainly davinci resolve) because I feel like now that you're using a tiling wm you'll probably be able to get a lot more out of using Linux and you'll actually be able to properly game unlike on Mac, anyway great video can't wait to see more

[@Axel-yj8uq]

OOOOO Im so hype for Linux revisited!

[@Xoinks]

@@Axel-yj8uq I am too!

[@deliciousdishes4531]

I love how you getting along with macOS was basically just turning it into some linux light by ricing the shit out of it hahahahaha

[@shhs1227]

macOS is already Linux lite given they share Unix origins

[@maikeru6158]

@@shhs1227 akschually it’s more like bsd🤓

[@hosytaa6018]

​@@shhs1227Mac and Linux can't really compare other than their origins

[@gianni_schicchi]

@@hosytaa6018 The ‘brew’ package manager runs on both macos and linux. They’re both posix. They have completely different origins but the important bits outside of hardware support are pretty interchangeable.

[@hosytaa6018]

@@gianni_schicchi k

[@BolusTube]

Man your video summed up my MacOS experience perfectly. I'm quite impressed how you noticed all those details in 30 days, as some took me months to a year to notice.

[@lwouisYT]

Great UX analysis video. I shared 100% of your criticism. I'm the author of AltTab so I was happy to see it mentioned. What a small world we live in~

[@Livakivi]

Wow! That's awesome! Big thanks for your work on it - even though with the tiling window managing setup I have a less of a need to switch between programs via alt tabbing, I still use it occasionally for its functionality to switch between open windows of the same application, which really comes in handy! Also, the issue I had at 32:08, I later figured out that somehow I had 2 instances of AltTab running at once, which resulted in that kind of flashing behavior. I'm not really sure how it happened, but essentially I had to remove AltTab from login items as otherwise I ended up with two instances, but since then I've had no issues! :)

[@ganqqwerty]

Man, you are a hero, I use at tab every day

[@mz.7934]

Thank you man, you made my life a lot better

[@brujyyy]

macOS is a small world compared to the huge windows world

[@peterbreis5407]

@@Livakivi _cmd ~_ (just above the App switch shortcut _cmd tab_ ) switches between open windows of the same App. An easy arrangement. Or just use F3 to see all open windows.

[@nasko235679]

I had the same experience when I was using macOS in the sense that it was death by 1000 cuts for me. So many little issues and annoyances that just made me incredibly annoyed to the point where I was done with it in less than a year.

[@Livakivi]

That's a good way to put it.

[@punchcake4832]

i swear i have the same experience too bro, its so disgusting that i cant make the text bigger without scaling down the resolution!

[@Z4KIUS]

you have to try really hard to see these little annoyances when big stuff keep ruining your day

[@Philitron128]

​@@Z4KIUSThey aren't little annoyances if they're constantly harassing you.

[@himynameisryan]

I had the exact opposite experience but to each their own. Every time I go back to my pc to play games it just is so terrible in comparison and I’m not claiming Mac is perfect, it’s just less flawed

[@BocchiZilla777]

Maybe I'm the only one but I would totally watch a one hour long video on how you use and organize your Windows PC. Keep up the good work.

[@rajisg]

Me too! I would love to see how you must've improved or streamlined windows to make it even more efficient to work with 😍 Have a traditional desktop setup in my case :)

[@Derpuwolf]

I’d love to as well.

[@senzation01]

This is the best video on using Mac on the entire internet. Very well summarized all necessary issues.

[@wetfloo]

I didn't expect this video to be as good as it is, so I went in expecting some surface level stuff, but man. Focusing on usability problems, how tiling window manager solves them and how efficient you can be, absolutely loved it. My vim motion driven brain approves

[@saisibi6708]

Man. This video has so much effort put into this. Your time stamps/chapter is so immaculate. Amazing stuff.

[@lasdernas]

I recently was forced to use a mac for work, and literally every issue you mentioned was the same for me. I come from linux for work, windows for fun. One thing i want to tell you (even though you solved it differently already), is that switching desktops/workspaces is present natively in macos. You just have to precreate the spaces, then you are able to set shortcuts for them (ctrl+*) in the native keyboard shortcut settings. Also, regarding apps on specific spaces - that's also there already. Right click on an app in the dock, "options" -> "assign to .." and you can select what spaces to pin the app to. You have to put the app to a specific space beforehand so it lets you select that space in that menu, but then the app and all it's windows always stay in that space. Other than that, my experience is almost identical to yours, except the tiling wm, which i'm reluctant to use since it's so different (i've tried that on linux, didn't like it). I hate the dock, i hate the window management, but just like you, i have a bunch of same uitlities running to fix some of it. I was also shocked to find out how macos hinders your productivity by default. I was under the same impression that it's wayyyy better than everything else, reading the comments online..

[@liamsz]

I 100% agree with you and I hate when people just assume everyone's workflow is going to be the same and therefore saying X is so much better for productivity than Y For my workflow, the out of the box macOS experience was amazing and I am much more productive on It than I am with windows, without having to install anything else, but the thing is, im a super basic user, and for basic users I believe macOS is pretty decent for many workflows, and that's mostly due to the built in apps such as preview, numbers, pages, keynote etc. But then, as shown in this video, many people will suffer through macOS just to make it tolerable.

[@williambergmann641]

"I was also shocked to find out how macos hinders your productivity by default." It may hinder workflows that were built from the ground up in other OS paradigms, but I've found that for my macOS users [I support people on both], macOS improves productivity for ~85% of people out of the box. 10% of people need some tweaks or time to learn to get back on par, and 5% have workflows that will never be as fluent due to very specific requirements. [Windows / Linux could be MUCH better than they are with some effort and focus in key areas, but that focus is likely tough to achieve when you're supporting millions of different hardware and peripheral configurations and you cannot exert any level of control on minimally acceptable hardware.]

[@caffeinum]

@@williambergmann641 I have moved from Windows around 5 years ago, but 100% share all the frustration of the OP. Windows' windows management is so much better and less cluttered. I just couldn't get used to Mac's, and been suffering this whole time. I have started using tiling managers only a few months ago and it's already so much better. Frankly, it's not about getting used to. MacOS heavily relies on mouse input, and this is very frustrating when you wanna chain actions together without waiting for a visual feedback. It's like if they made you play piano but you can only use one finger - I know what I wanna do, just let me do it and then show me the result!

[@williambergmann641]

@@caffeinum If you think macOS is heavily reliant on mouse input, that says a lot about the Windows-centric approach you’re taking to macOS. I rarely even have a mouse connected to either my laptop or desktop. But hey, maybe you have some super-unique use case where you need 18 carefully curated and spaced windows that only Windows can handle.

[@joshuaoehler5796]

My experience is completely different. Maybe it depends on what you need to do but if you insist on trying to use a Mac like it's a Windows machine (which many people seem to do when switching) you'll keep running into problems. But if you accept that it's a different platform and adapt to it, I've found that I'm way more productive on a Mac than on Windows. It's like moving to a new city but trying to drive the same route to work and complaining that the roads aren't laid out the same.

[@rGunti]

Through my computer live, I moved through all three of the major OSes (Windows, macOS and Linux*) so I was already familiar with macOS when I got my M2 MBP. I don't belong to the people who swear on tiling window managers, heck most of the things you pointed out never really occured to me. But my reason for getting an MBP was programming. Development on macOS is so nice when compared to Windows as you get a decent shell out of the box and package managers can be added easily as well. Also, it smoked my previous laptop and even crushes my gaming PC. But that's why I got it. My MacBook is for travelling, programming and some media consumption, while my PC is now focused on gaming. And that's actually a good thing for me, as I psychologically differenciate now between "work" and "leasure time".

[@Char1es4k]

Ikr? I have both a windows laptop and a MacBook pro m1. Even if I need to program for embedded chips in University projects, VS code tunnel always works. So I've developed a similar mindset that I study and work on MacBook & play on windows laptop. For robot control and related machine learning algorithms (mostly model based reinforcement learning and optimal control), writing python code has never been a problem in native conda env. Model free algorithms needs to be trained on clusters anyway.

[@arunashamal]

Not only you every long time macos user don't care about tiling windows or fullscreen windows. It is not something you do on macos...Most of the time people make their lives harder by trying to use macos like windows, instead of learing and adapting to macos... If I try to ride a bicycle like I drive a car, I would be in trouble as well, instead learning how to ride the bicycle!

[@clickbaitpro]

It'll will crush your old PC for sure but new ones, even the mid priced ones will give macbook hard time and the bad thing that steerd me away from macbook is the low quality slow storage which houses bios in it and 8GB ram macbooks will eat away the life of ssd because of swap. 200 bucks for 8 gb upgrade, I can get 32 gb of ram for that price on my PC which is 4 times the RAM. Macbook will work until it's just a repairable trash. Had bad experience with the butterfly keybord

[@arunashamal]

@@clickbaitpro lol...haha! this guy is living in 2010!

[@benjaminrogers8875]

Honestly, this was way harder than learning Japanese.

[@morelukeplayz6953]

Omae Wa Mou Shindeiru

[@hana-gabana7598]

​@@morelukeplayz6953 NANII !!???

[@yoursleepparalysisdemon1828]

@MrDog linux good mac bad

[@yoursleepparalysisdemon1828]

​@Neeowkalinux can be changed to look like windows but still be like open source​

[@yoursleepparalysisdemon1828]

@Neeowka you can chose another debian that is just like windows. the "coding" is very rare and optional on mint, and tbh i just dont like the gui. it can be easy to use if you choose the right distro. or not. on linux everything is customizeable, and thats what i really like. if i want to change something, it isnt *literally* illegal.

[@stridexr]

This is the most comprehensive review I've ever seen of ACTUALLY using MacOS productively, having gone through a virtually identical experience and reached pretty much the same conclusion with Yabai + SKHD, etc., I couldn't agree more with most of the points made here.

[@jasonnugent963]

As a 25year Windows guy and now 10+ year Apple guy,.. this video was really well done (even I learned some new things and may rewatch it !). You’re correct about the underlying Windows management being a bit archaic (I believe a lot of that underlying foundation is a long time holdover from when OSX was originally introduced back in 2001 or so?). Much of that underlying architecture is being rebuilt now in Swift, etc to bring more unification across all of Apples OSes (macOS, iOS, iPadOS, watchOS, tvOS, etc). Your journey here (especially the extensive customization) is understandable in your specific use case, but Apple really targets the “average iPhone User”. Professionals or Sysadmin or “under the hood” type people are going to have to expect more frustration. I’ve found over my 10+ years using Apple (and countless friends have come to this conclusion also) same as you did,. that while macOS isnt perfect, things like Portability, Battery Life, silent fans, etc (those “quality of life” aspects) is what keeps them using Apple products. You are correct about AirDrop (and other features like iCloud, Handoff, SideCar, etc) all work best if you have multiple Apple devices. Davinci Resolve exists for iPadOS. Imagine working on a project on your M1 Macbook,.. closing the Lid and picking up instantly in same spot on your M2 iPad. Slick !… ;)

[@Teluric2]

Clumsy..that trick has been on Solaris Blade In 1999. Of course many apple users will think apple innovated.

[@dayko.]

From what I heard apple battery life and silent fans only really became a thing after M1 Macs dropped so what made you use it 7+ years before M1 showed up? Just curious.

[@bj0rnen]

@@dayko. The battery life on Intel Macs was still very decent and generally better than Windows/Linux laptops even then. The fans would still spin up quite a bit but Apple designed fans that were still much quieter than PC laptops had.

[@Fakheet]

​@@bj0rnen fans not spinning have an adverse side effect of chassis heating up to uncomfortable temperature. I've been using a 2019 macbook pro with an i7 for ios development and the experience has been kinda bad, especially during long builds or other heavy activity

[@PKperformanceEU]

​@@dayko. apple was literal garbage before m series....these people are just mongol fans. I have an M2max 16inch and while I love the build quality, display, silence and performance, it's not versatile for someone like me coming from windows. People who are Linux lovers will love macOS

[@Erstwhile.Freeman]

As a Windows user with a 10 year old PC with a newer video card, the low priced M2 Mac was my choice. I stopped playing games and just wanted a fast and efficient desktop for basic computer use. I experienced almost the exact same journey you did. All these issues were really frustrating and I went through the same fixes to overcome the change. Apple should use this video to improve the transition for Windows users.

[@timothygibney159]

I returned my Mac to my employer and asked for a cheap Lenovo PC. Best decision I made

[@shakenobu]

wow...these were one of the most useful 50 minutes i've ever had on youtube. LOVE YOUR CONTENTTT

[@leolabs_org]

Regarding the window focus issue (13:40), you can CMD+Click into any unfocused window to send the click to it without bringing it into the foreground. This also works with right-clicking so you can highlight text and copy it in an unfocused window without having to click-to-focus it first. Hope this helps :)

[@Livakivi]

That's an interesting feature I didn't know about, seems CMD/Option have different behaviors in this scenario as well. Though it seems that it has very specific type of behaviors, it still doesn't send hover events so I can't unpause/pause a youtube video by clicking on the video itself, it does register the first click for buttons and text selection. It's still not ideal for me but its great to know about!

[@pihie]

BRO WHATTTT? HOW COME I DIDNT KNOW THAT NOW I WONDER IF THERE IS A VERY FULL GUIDE ON ALL OF THE FEATURES ON MACOS

[@tripik426]

I swear, you can make anything in this world super interesting. Keep up the masterful work!

[@cactus3796]

this was a very good video, thank you so much. im on windows thinking of switching to mac and have seen a few overly positive short 10 minute videos but your video is so much more indepth with tips and tricks etc. thanks so much !

[@AJ-yr6bz]

This was EXCELLENT! As an ex-apple store employee, long-time Steve Jobs (2nd) era Apple fan, but a PC/Tech guy at heart, I can't explain how cathartic it was to watch you walk the same path I've run (and re-run) too many times! All with stellar editing, pleasant audio, and relatable charm! This might be a big ask, but as someone who is approaching 30 and told myself I WILL learn Japanese someday (and have vowed to take it seriously from here out), I would love to know HOW you navigate the process of studying it - especially from the standpoint of digital tools; useful programs, organization of materials (this one always gets me!), and so on... When you mentioned sentence mining, I never considered such an approach, often struggling to use my PC at all tbh because language switching and support always felt clunky... Just, wow mindblown!! You've earned a subscriber, and I will check your other videos too! Any pointers (in any format/length) on the above would be much appreciated!! Fantastic job again!

[@sk8_bort]

You should definitely binge watch his videos, as he has spoken about his tools and methods for learning Japanese extensively. He also has a secondary channel called Budget Livakivi where you can find more Japanese related content.

[@capitalismoburgues5549]

Scroll though his channel and will not be hard to find. Now I have been learning Japanese in a very similiar way he does can confirm that I am learning very well but one thing you should never neglect is Grammar part of Japanese.

[@Livakivi]

Awesome to hear that someone who technically has worked in the Apple space was able to see this video as well! As for learning Japanese, I actually have a video on how to learn it here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/garKpJ2Dis-SeZI But I also recommend checking the playlist for my yearly Japanese learning updates which also give some insight into how the experience itself went: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mKHJdIqlnM-hrcU

[@AJ-yr6bz]

@@Livakivi Thanks for the link! I actually found the precise video in your channel and got my notebook ready!! Keep up the great work! :) ++Thanks for the replies everyone!

[@awwastor]

macOS’s window management wasn’t much of an issue for me when I used it because I just heavily relied on workspaces so I rarely even had more than two windows open at once (I also had hot keys set up for switching between spaces)

[@kompeterPC]

I bought my first MacBook over 2 years ago. I needed it for macos specific dev work, the reviews were stellar, I was really impressed. Your video was super fun to watch, as I had exactly the same problems, literally had flashbacks the whole time. I really wanted to make it work, to understand the hype. The hardware is amazing, for me the fanless air is the perfect laptop, at least the hardware. But, I ultimately gave up on macos. Everything didn't seem "different", as people say, it felt backwards. The window management and blurry fonts were the deal breakers. The computer was fast as in it had good processing power, but when using it, it didn't feel fast, it didn't feel snappy. You hit the nail, when you said it feels like it was made to do things slowly. I really wanted to like macos... The laptop ended up being used to watch videos and browse internet in bed, I really didn't like doing any work on it. :(

[@jensenraylight8011]

yes, i'm kinda want to try what MacOs is all about, but learning about that awful windowing system, single active app taskbar instead of multiple and redundant click to make the window focus. it was a huge turn off. i would rather using a convoluted installer once in a while, than having the ability to drag and drop to install, but lose hundreds of very good stuff.

[@Christobanistan]

The key repeat issue would drive me nuts. I can't abide that.

[@Saukaron]

"Spaces" is around since Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard (2007) and one of the best Mac OS features nobody seems to understand how to use. Thank you for sharing your approach! I use it in a very similar way since my Gnome 2 days and then on Mac OS since it was introduced in 10.5 (even tough it took a lot of ressources at the time) and was very exited, when Windows 10 introduced the feature as well. Because I constantly switch between operating systems I adopted that workflow to every system I'm using and I'm very happy that that's possible

[@MultiZymethSK]

I was thinking about getting a Macbook because the hardware seems really good, but I was scared of hating MacOS. I watched a few videos of people trying out MacOS after using Windows and your experience and findings are the most insightful to me. All the things you mentioned seemed like the exact same things I'd be losing my mind over. The same applies to your Linux and Davinci Resolve videos. I'm using PopOS on my laptop and tried switching from Vegas to Resolve. These videos are perfect for showing me what my experience would be if I haven't yet tried the given thing, or nice affirmation that I'm not the only one after using them. also - 25:11 - nice eva reference

[@Livakivi]

Glad to hear that these videos are ending up as reference material!

[@DoctorRainer]

It's the same for Mac users other way around)

[@4ytherium]

@@DoctorRainerTrue

[@lJoãoLima510l]

Same as me. it’s crazy how a Mac is complicated for simples things like a Windows Management or Close a program and of course if don’t need a lot of shortcuts to do the same as windows

[@PKperformanceEU]

​@@DoctorRainer no it's not. Mac users are usually extremely retarded people and that's why they cant handle windows. The ones that are engineers or just very smart will have no problem getting on windows

[@mr.hooman4438]

Now do chrome os for a month

[@suchy.chomik]

Oh god...

[@Eweyhen]

Why are you the way that you are

[@Storm-qw6ob]

Gave me the "lets see paul allens card" vibe

[@twanoligschlaeger]

few friendly mac user comments: 13:50 when you are in another window, you can stop youtube videos from playing by pressing the music pauze button (on my mac model that F8, don't know if on future mac's its still the same button). 15:20 in a lot of apps you can exit fullscreen by pressing the esc button. also in settings you can also change it so that the top-menu is always on screen, even in full screen size. 17:41 you can close windows by pressing cmd w. and close an entire program by pressing cmd q. 39:32 no password needed!? living on the edge i see. 43:48 all these problems i also agree with, and probably you know this already, but to not get the "usb device wasn't manually ejected" notification. if the usb pops up on your desktop, drag it into the trashcan, or in finder click the arrow icon on the side. happy that you found a way how to enjoy your new laptop :)

[@DoctorRainer]

cmd + w closes a window without quitting the app

[@twanoligschlaeger]

@@DoctorRainer how did i not know that... thank you!

[@Livakivi]

Thanks for the suggestions! For 13:50, its slightly problematic sometimes, because if I have Spotify, KZbin, QuickTime, etc, open, the media buttons can sometimes go to different applications, I think depending on which one was used most recently. For 15:20, the ESC key didn't work in many applications (I actually showed a clip in the video of pressing ESC and it not working, though it had a different symbol in the video), but another commenter suggested using CTRL + CMD + F to toggle between fullscreen, which actually works in every application! For 17:41, Do know those, but I just wanted to do it easily with the mouse too :) For 39:32, I actually have a password, but macOS has a setting that lets you not require a password for X amount of hours/minutes after putting the Mac to sleep, which is extremely handy actually for 43:48, Indeed, by ejecting the drives first, they will not give the notification, but since I had 3 drives connected to the Thunderbolt hub, and I constantly disconnected the MacBook from the hub, I always got 3 notifications about not having ejected them first, which was a bit annoying as I'm used to never needing to eject drives manually at least on windows, but since one of my ExFat drives suddenly doesn't work on Mac anymore, maybe I should do it after all haha.

[@twanoligschlaeger]

@@Livakivi I like the fact that i've been using mac for my entire life and in only 30 days you've learned more of these navigational things than me lol. Love your videos man, always a real joy to watch them

[@user-fv8eh5ov4s]

i've been working almost exclusively on macOS since the late 1980s. for a brief period of time, i freelanced for a windows-only client - just to experience the same as you did, but vice versa. using all kinds of apps daily (ms office, adobe cc, final cut and a variety of audio apps) i learned to hate that e.g. adobe does not adhere to the standard keyboard shortcuts of mac. every once in a while i find a clever "productivity" app that i use for a couple of days and then no more. basically i have learned to create workflows that demand the least amount of additional apps and mouse or trackpad gestures. over the years i have found my own personal way of working productively on my mac. it involves as little mouse (or trackpad) use as possible and use keyboard shortcuts instead. to me, this is a lot more productive than working with a mouse. and i rely a lot on my logi master 3 which lets me program the mouse for individual apps. that helps a lot. i find trackpads horrible and never got used to work with them. i neither use spaces nor launchpad, and also the dock only infrequently (because my fingers would have to leave the keyboard) instead of klicking on a dock icon, i use spotlight to open apps (cmd+ (space), type in the name of the app and hit return, i don't even have to look at the screen), cmd+h or cmd+q if i want to hide or quit an app (the dock icon gets translucent telling me that the app is open), to switch between apps, i know of no faster way than cmd+tab, to close a window cmd+w. cmd+option+5 takes a screenshot etc etc. i have two monitors arranged side by side, a 27" at 2560x1440 Eizo as main and a 27" Dell UP2720Q 4K at 3360 x 1890 as extended real estate. i can move windows from one monitor to the other. text is absolutely sharp and not pixeled on both, it will also not change when i use the Dell either at HD or full 4K resolution. for the last year or so, the only add-on "productivity" apps were mac fans control, pop char and SoundSource. i do however use Onyx or TinkerTool (or terminal) to adjust the behavior of the mac to my taste. yes, you can enhance your productivity with a plethora of apps. but they also add to the system load, and a lot of times don't get along well with other apps. i'd rather have a rock solid, stable work horse than one that i have fine-tuned to my liking but don't remember which app i used for this or that… and no, i don't use my mac for gaming. my daily production system is a 2012 macpro running macOS 12 - i keep the macpro because i can boot it up with macOS 10.14 from another SSD which allows me to use all my old 32 bit apps. it is still plenty fast for video editing, heavy lifting in photoshop or lightroom (not as fast as M1 or M2, but expandable and upgradable) i do use airdrop occasionally, but you seem to rate it higher than i do. the calculator is a peach if used with an extended keyboard with number pads - and close to unusable with a mouse (IMO). try using the scientific view and/or use cmd+T for a protocol. the only thing i truly dislike is macOS' font management. the built-in Fontbook app does not open fonts automatically. i use suitcase connect which has plugins for automatic font activation in Indesign, Illustrator and Photoshop. but having two font managers run in parallel is more than just flirting with disaster. the old Mac OS before OSX was more stable in this regard. the remedy is flushing the font cache from time to time. i'm not an apple fanboy, just a very long time user. when i started on macs, they were pretty much the gold standard in creative businesses like graphic design, photography or video. over the years i have gotten so used to working with macOS that i don't even notice the OS' quirks any longer. i just live with and work around them. hope you get to this state of bliss with macOS, too at some point! ;-)

[@asifrahman3246]

Man! You put in so much effort into making this video. Excellent work.✨ It was a lengthy video but i wasn't bored even for a single second.

[@cheeze7745]

Nothing better than watching an hour long vid from Liva!

[@AcidUser]

What a journey, haha. You are definitely using MacOS much different than anyone I know. The good thing is, that everything is so customizable that you can make it your operating system. I personally stick with the build in stuff though as I am that used to it and super productive with most settings at default.

[@SkyArrow1712]

Seriously, this video is awesome and really eloquently describes my gripes with using macOS! Having yabai switch spaces without an animation is really cool.

[@svg03]

Another external plugin: I use a MacBook+Samsung phone combination. Soduto is perfect, you can share all your phone files really quickly into the Macbooks Download folder, just as fast as AirDrop. It might take some time to set it up, but it is amazing!

[@Vili69420]

u can make the dock hide and show up instantly with a terminal command, also just disable animations in general to make things snappier

[@xenotiic8356]

You had me engaged the whole video. As someone who regularly has used each OS as their main one in different times in my life, I really appreciate your analysis and agree with much of it.

[@johnbean3429]

You can use "control + command + f" to enter and exit full screen in most apps. Certain apps use "fn + f" but that was depricated in an earlier version of MacOS.

[@Livakivi]

Indeed, another commenter pointed it out as well, not sure why I didn't find it when I was searching for it at first, most suggestions were F11, alt + enter, fn + f and so on

[@RabbitConfirmed]

@@Livakivi essentially you need 2 things on a mac. "Magnets" and "Cheat Sheet"

[@shock9616]

As a lifelong Mac user, (seriously, my first time even seeing Windows was in high school) it's fascinating hearing the experiences of people switching to MacOS. Really the only major thing I find annoying about vanilla MacOS is the lack of window snapping, which can be easily fixed with the plethora of 3rd party solutions. Aside from that, just about everything that was mentioned as an issue in this video is just how I learned that computers work, so it's fascinating hearing how my expectations can be viewed as genuine downgrades compared to Windows or Linux. Props to you on pushing through the challenges and finding a super cool way to fix all the problems you had! I hope you enjoy using your Mac!

[@leonbodenstab2925]

Honestly. Most what I heard are just comparisons with windows. OSX handles things differently. You should see them differently and not try to make the new one like the old one

[@FloydDiamond]

I got to know computers via Windows, but since 2009 I've only used Mac. Nevertheless, it seems completely strange to me the problems Windows users have to deal with on their Mac. You're right: it's just learning. But he's right about one thing: the fact that mouse actions are only possible if a screen was activated beforehand is actually annoying. I've already learned that it's bypassed with CMD, so it's very simple, but I only knew that it was annoying me when Livakivi told me :)

[@leonbodenstab2925]

u are right @@FloydDiamond

[@TsunakaClubby]

50 minutes or 5? couldn't tell i was too enthralled. banger video Liva

[@Livakivi]

[@TheMaztercom]

Mac OS really shows they Unix Roots, you spend more time fixing the OS rather than using it

[@theofficialpollo]

Love the effort you always put on the videos Liva

[@lydierayn]

Now this is how every laptop test should really look like. I really appriciate the hassle that came with doing this video

[@GigglingPlutonium]

Incredible video, I have grown up on Mac and am starting to try using windows and it's really interesting to see the opposite experience.

[@seifenspender]

I use macOS on a daily basis and remember it being weird in the beginning. Without third-party (open source) tools like Rectangle and TinkerTool, I would probably go insane. But with these and others, macOS is actually really great. Some of your issues still bug me to this day, but others have pretty simple solutions, that are just hard to find. For instance: there absolutely is a shortcut to exit fullscreen in all apps: Cmd+Ctrl+F. But I absolutely agree that many settings should not require third-party tools (like freaking mouse acceleration). Zooming by holding Command + Mouse Wheel (Logitech G502) definitely works for me though. In German we also use accents on some characters and I have key repeat without these popups by default. No idea why it doesn't for you. Also I think it's hilarious that the new iOS keyboard keeps correcting macOS to macOs with autocorrect turned off.

[@Zach-rt9kg]

Honestly your videos are some of the best made I have seen. Been around since your Duolingo videos and enjoyed them then. But now they are getting even better and I can’t believe that you still have a lower count of subscribers as I see people with 10x your size put in 1/10 of the work. Continue killing it!

[@user-bf7td1gn3t]

Wow! At first I was amazed by the fact that I've found someone who has almost the same setup as me as in the Japanese immersion and then you showed me basically everything I wanted to know about macOS's workflow. Maaan, what a great video. I'm still only thinking about buying a macbook, but this made me so much more confident that it's gonna be fine once I get used to it. Thank you so much!!!

[@JannesDragon]

Babe, wake up! Another Livakivi Banger

[@Felipemelazzi]

This video was AMAZING and full of useful info. I also highly appreciate the tasteful use of The Sims 1 OST. So good!

[@prinselijkcoder]

You've become one of my favourite creators recently. Even for a video like this where I have no desire to switch to Mac I really love seeing the way you dig into whatever you're doing. Seeing all the things you seem to steadily work on is inspiring, so cheers and thanks for continuing to share.

[@mtuinterest9722]

Huge thankyou for making this. I was in quite similar situation, ordered a M2 macbook Pro in august 2023 and after few days, gave up and returned it, mainly because of the window-management/dock/fullscreen-behaviour. I felt I'm way faster on windows for my productive work and I cannot use it as main system. At the moment I have asus X13 R6900HS/RTX3050TI, it's lightweight and feels okay except the preinstalled bloatware, not sure if to keep it or return it. You took a huge effort figuring out the tools for macOS. Aitäh. --- writing this from 2019 macbook Air. (I have had this for 4 years and use it for web browsing and youtube in bed - it's lightweight and the battery lasts).

[@Skj0nes]

The dock “bug” isn’t a bug it’s a feature.

[@MinecraftBPs]

This video is already speaking from my soul, 13:15 for example. Other times i forgot how to get out of the fullscreen for a few seconds after mindlessly "maximizing" my window, before making it smaller again. As for 16:00, what worked for me well is to create a new keyboard layout with Ukelele and setting that as my standard, so at least you have all the keys you expect and know of (you can make serveral of them and after setting them all up it might be fine). Generally a lot of trying out tools and programs to get this working well, which was rough in the beginning.. in the end I think the Macbook is a good work machine, but I would never give away my tower for that.

[@hikerbikeromar]

This was so well done. You highlight so many issues that I never fully consciously realized, but now that you explicity mention them, totally explain why I feel like the system is so slow overall. Very tempted to switch to Windows simply to get around the ridiculous slow animations. You are totally right that MacOS feels like something that is meant to use casually and slowly.

[@xdanic3]

Well, he seemde to fix some animations with those commands at least, it reminded me to gconfig on linux on gnome, althought that one at least can be configured with an ui with dconf. I think gnome might feel better than windows... You won't have telemetry as well

[@rebane2001]

Haha this video is hilarious, I've gone through the exact same things with my own macOS journey. Starting off baffled by how terrible the OS is for productivity and ending up with a hundred different programs installed to achieve something Linux and Windows do out of box. I'm legitimately horrified by how many people say that Macs are great for productivity. I don't like them as much on desktops, but tiling window managers on laptops are amazing, especially when you have a small screen and have to use a touchpad - a single shortcut to reliably switch to what you need is super nice. Can't wait for the follow-up video where you want to use the audio mixer, or need to record system audio :). Oh and I just wanted to add, the bars at the bottom of slides you added (eg 47:43) are really useful - I usually never know whether to pause a video or not when reading such infoscreens.

[@Livakivi]

I actually technically would benefit from using an audio mixer almost daily, as sometimes I want to mute my Anki audio, but third party tools for some reason were unable to control Anki audio, so I just have to toggle the setting within the Anki deck to not autoplay card audio lol. Muidu, tuttav nimi :^)

[@Onyxmoon]

It's strange, isn't it, that I would assume your average Windows user would prefer an Android phone with all it's configurability vs the iPhone that works 'out of the box' but with no configurability; then complaining about MacOS not working 'out of the box' like Windows and that it is far too configurable by allowing you to install different programs to achieve similar results. I went to MacOS in 2017 from using Windows since v3.1. It took a little while to get used to and unlike many other users, my wrist and fingers didn't get tired from having to do the occasional extra click or keypress. My productivity didn't suffer, either. However, having to use Windows for some of my office work is such a PITA and it just feels clunky, so I can understand some of the frustrations of Windows users with MacOS, too. Then again, as a developer I like to tinker around with different OS's, but MacOS still remains the favored one for me.

[@rebane2001]

@@Onyxmoon macOS is lacking basic productivity and QoL features that both Windows and Linux provide, it's inexcusable that you need to install quite a lot of additional software to get it to be on-par with the other two, and I'd argue that macOS isn't significantly more configurable than Windows or Linux to make up for it's lacking OOB experience. The extra clicks and keypresses you say are not affecting your productivity mean that you aren't multitasking much or using your computer efficiently in the first place.

[@Onyxmoon]

@@rebane2001 To be fair, I'm used to installing a lot of additional software (I'm a software dev). There are a lot of things that work 'out of the box' on MacOS, much less than Linux in my experience, but not as many as Windows. Although software seems to be more stable on MacOS, it's not a given, and each has their pros and cons.

[@williambergmann641]

@@rebane2001 If you take a step back from your perspective and listen to people as engaged on the macOS platform as you are on your OS of choice, you'll find they're all lacking, and it comes down to what you prefer in regard to your workflow. The out-of-the-box experience of each OS is fairly unique; just like using the same compiled app is not going to work well, trying to simply port your workflow is not the best approach. You need to approach things with a bit f neuroplasticity.

[@577473]

This is the best video I've seen about windows / mac transition. I've been using windows for ~30 years. Many types of software, hardware and customizations that I didn't find in other os's and never had problems with stability. Had computers running for months. Also worked / experimented with Linux and MacOS many times, but found them lacking in what I needed. Still, I've been considering an m1 MacBook for the mix of performance, autonomy and mobility that it offers for specific tasks and this video has given me an insight on how to solve lots of my usability issues with MacOS. Thanks

[@lid948]

Absolutely amazing video. I can't believe how in-depth you went with this journey. Your skills in articulating something to a level where even a non tech savvy layman can understand you (if they listen to every word you say carefully) is impressive. P.S Could be wrong, but I think that "Comes out" is not a real expression in English. It makes sense as it's the direct translation of "tuleb välja" from Estonian, but "Turns out" seems more correct.

[@Livakivi]

Interesting, when I searched for "comes out meaning" from Google, it did bring a relevant definition "(of a fact) emerge; become known.", but all the example sentences, as well as my additional searches with double quotes seem to indicate that the correct usage is "came out", so "comes out" might truly not be a proper native expression, thanks!

[@noneofyourbusiness3096]

​@@Livakivi As a native English speaker, we would say "As it turns out" when talking about a concept or event that isn't what was previously expected or believed to be the case. Example: "As it turns out, MacOS does not support 32-bit applications or games." Using "comes out" or "came out" in place of "turns out" or "turned out", respectively, would sound a little strange to a native speaker, though we would understand what you're trying to express. Hope that helps!

[@noneofyourbusiness3096]

However, you _can_ use the phrase "came out" or "comes out" when describing an object as having survived an event or process, or describing an object leaving or being removed from something. Example: "I accidentally left my phone in my pocket when I washed my pants, but it came out okay and still turns on." Example: "My dog came out from under the bed when he heard me say the word 'treat'." Example: "When I spray the ink spot on my clothes with cleaner, the stain comes out easily."

[@erdanxiloscient3666]

As another native English speaker (US West Coast), I didn’t notice and it sounds ok to my brain

[@auxiliaryboxes]

​@@Livakivi I do agree that the phrase "comes out" is slightly unnatural to a native speaker, however, we completely understand what you mean when you say it so it doesn't detract from the content. Having watched all your videos, I actually stopped noticing it after a while. Still, "as it turns out" is definitely a more natural way to express an unexpected result or outcome. The shorthanded version simply being "turns out". "I thought that Livakivi was a native English speaker, but *as it turns out* , he learned it through immersion." "I thought that Livakivi was a native English speaker; *turns out* he learned it through immersion." These are identical sentences but both would sound slightly off if replaced with "as it comes out" or "comes out". In any case, this is an incredibly minor detail and your English is so fluent that almost nobody would second-guess that you are native. Keep up the great work!

[@arnisan2010]

I'm impressed how in-depth testing you do and really tested all possibilities to adapt to your needs. Left Windows myself in 2001 when Intel came to Mac and I use a few extra apps for Mac but mostly I am satisfied with the integration between Mac, Laptop, Ipad and iPhone. Apple costs a little more but they last for years Thanks for your video.

[@dbbbbbbb1952]

Windows Management is actually great if you use gestures and understand how full screen works.

[@robk7129]

This video feels like 30 years of experience on MacOS, not 30 days 😅

[@MrMrn87]

Amazing video. I worked on mac for a few years and you point out all the issues I had as well. Especially the window management, for that I also installed multiple third party apps. But I went back to windows 5 years ago when I bought a Dell XPS, which is still going strong. I'm glad you found a way to make it work for you, although it took some effort. Personally the amount of tweaks and third party apps necessary to just have a decent productive experience on such a ‘premium’ product is baffling to me, this together with other limitations on certain apps/games are keeping me on Windows. Like you said, if you spend that amount, you want to be able to run everything.

[@rayjaymor8754]

There's one feature in MacOS that I absolutely LOVE. Virtual Desktops are indepedent on a per monitor basis. That being said, I still only use MacOS because my job supplies me with a MacBook. I still prefer Linux at the end of the day. I'll add that the single-cable thing is absolutely a thing on non-Apple laptops as well. I'm running a Dell Latitude 5480 on a Dell D6000 dock no problems with three screens.

[@luizg.5526]

I can't believe I've just watched a 50-minute video about macOS. You did an amazing job!

[@alighieribosch]

The most useful video about improving macOS experience. Thanks a lot!

[@n.roussis]

4:38 I would like to interject for a moment. What you are referring to as an emulator is in fact a software compatibility layer called Crossover, based on the WineHQ project for Linux which used to support Mac systems. Compatibility layers are software which instead of simulating internal Windows logic like a virtual machine or emulator, they translate Windows API calls into POSIX calls on-the-fly, eliminating the performance and memory penalties of other methods and allowing you to cleanly integrate Windows applications into a non-Windows desktop. 🤓

[@julianperry4767]

I was exclusively PC my whole life until the M1 Pro MacBook 14" came out, I tried it because my job required lots of video editing and I needed a long battery. It's very hard to go back now. The speakers, screen, snappiness of the OS are hard o beat. It just excels at everything. I notice anything off in a PC now. I will say the Dell XPS and Razer Blade laptops are closest I've found to Windows perfection tough.

[@ThePC007]

12:14 There’s also the “Move Window to the Left/Right Side of the Screen” option, which behaves more like the Windows counterpart, and you can setup keyboard shortcuts for those commands without third-party applications.

[@nauscakes1868]

God, I love this video! When the M1 macbooks came out, I bought one as an impulse purchase with all the hype and FOMO. I had never really owned a laptop before, as I've always been a PC guy. I didn't buy that 4090, but I did get a 4080. But I've used my PC for gaming and uh, other PC stuff. I don't do video editing or any real work on it. So I got the Mac laptop, and I've been trying to figure it out for like 3 years now. I'm not a note taker, but I'm slowly discovering new things. One thing I like about the M1 mac, is that I'm assuming it'll be useful for a good 5-10 years as a web browser and whatever. I don't think it's going to be completely outdated before I unlock its mysteries.

[@yadavom734]

After years I watched a 50 min video at 1x 😂👍

[@volo34GFX]

I started using macOS occasionally only for job reasons since february and one thing I noticed is that macOS doesn't need you to be tidy with what you do. By design, you can't be punished by your own messy management of folders and apps. And I get it from a "don't think and just use it" point but as a tidy and Windows person it makes me crazy because everything overlaps itself. I sometimes find myself losing my sanity over searching some folders only to find out that the Finder doesn't tile them up in a grid but hides them horizontally.

[@-_vh_-]

That was an interesting take on the switch to macOS. I have gone through similar troubles the first two weeks of using a Mac for the first time in my life. It was quite intimidating at first, but I eventually adjusted to it. Using third party programs such as Rectangle and Maccy is a must in my opinion. I recognize that macOS is not suitable for certain tasks and workflows, however it really excels on the "simple" tasks. I mainly use my MacBook for UNI, checking and answering Emails, web browsing and content consumption. What I cherish most is the stability of macOS. I have used it for almost a year now, and it never crashed, which is more than I can say about Windows. So far, I have experienced only one bug (which was most likely caused by myself) that required me to do a reinstallation. Overall it appears just more reliable. In comparison, I lost count of how many times I had to reinstall Windows in the same timespan and how frustrating the reinstallation is with all the drivers giving me headaches and bloatware being included by default. Conclusively, I can say that I won't go back to a Windows Laptop anytime soon. The iPhone and iPad however are a case in itself...

[@JamesSmith-ix5jd]

I've used: Linux - Mint, Monjaro, Arch, Gentoo, EndeavourOS. Windows XP, 7, 10. All of them were approximately the same in stability. You just need to know the system's pluses, minuses and do proper administration. For example, on Windows a filesystem often slows with usage, it's because of the registry, services that stay even after deletion, inability to fully delete an app etc. Knowing that you can prevent degradation of performance by not installing so much crap, writing a script which stops all additional services, or using portable apps if possible, or special Uninstaller software which track the Installation of an app to cleanly uninstall it later. On Linux you can install or uninstall any amount of apps, it won't get slow, if these apps are not all autorunning of course. So in both cases I get the same result, but in case of Windows it requires understanding of the future problem and a little bit of tweaking to avoid it, Linux has its own problems you need to anticipate and prevent in advance.

[@matthewboyer4212]

Great video! I really haven't noticed many of the render issues like text when I was hackintoshing, so I would recommend trying that and dual booting. It would save 600€. However, other things like the traffic light buttons are kind of a nightmare. The only thing that I would have to disagree with is how personally, alt-tabbing is much nicer due to the fact that going fullscreen creates a separate stage. But, I am only using it for development and usually only have 3 windows open (a browser, terminal, and my ide). Also: やばい (yabai) is Japanese for terrible.

[@Ratthew_jones]

I bought an M1 MacBook Air for my studies over a year ago and the issues that you've mentioned in this video pretty much sums up my experience with it. Although I don't use it for video editing it can be extremely infuriating to see how much faster I could complete my tasks on a windows based PC. Great video Livakivi and thank you for mentioning the apps you've used in the video, I've downloaded them instantly !

[@uwusgrufus]

Skill issue 🤡

[@adil080_]

maybe the real macOS is the friends we made along the way

[@007Knightjp]

Nice video. Honestly I prefer macOS to any other system. I agree that the window management is not the best. I have tried yabai when it was called kwm. However I prefer "moom" when it comes to window management. I agree that it is something that Apple should handle better out of the box, but you know, much like Linux, there are great 3rd party apps that will add functionality and Apple has not done anything to stop it - which means, they are sort of giving us the freedom to choose and customize our experience with the OS, which is more than what Windows will do. Also for hiding the dock and showing it again, there is a terminal command that will speed up hiding animations.

[@Deathshack]

I've been using Linux for a decade and windows and the reason why macOS doesn't have widows tiling and Linux does is because Microsoft is a big contributor to Canacol which owns Ubuntu (Ubuntu is also the base coding for various distros) and Canacol is a server based company that many companies and MORPG uses. Apple historically cannot play nicely with Microsoft so at the end the day Microsoft will never let apple use the rights to windows tiling

[@KalpeshPatel78]

I switched to Mac OS around 2005-6 from the PC. Now I'm quite familiar with Mac OS though. It is a hard OS to learn if you're switching now because Apple loves to hide things behind menus and clicks. in 2005/6 it was easy as things were much simpler.

[@JackFate76]

Nobody ever needs the same character more than 3 times in a row.

[@bitterseeds]

For the exploded overview of open apps there is literally a key for that, it's called f3 and you might investigate trackpad gestures. :)

[@jorkkeker8097]

Couldn’t you just move desktop space 1 to the back to solve like 90% of your frustration with it?

[@splits1000]

Was very interesting to watch your MacOS journey. I was in a similar situation last month, being a PC user I was content with my desktop setup but wanted a laptop as a secondary as a portable option. Watched several videos regarding the switch and the idea of downloading several apps just to recreate a more similar experience really turned me away from considering a MacBook so just need up getting a zephyrus g14 instead. Yes, it does get loud when running, battery life is alright for a windows but it does everything I want without the need to relearn anything and I can game normally.

[@skudnu5462]

this honestly makes me appreciate linux so much more. it really sucks that the software you want to use doesn't work on linux for you, but as someone that has been using linux for 1.5 years with all the software running perfectly, i can't name a single hassle i have with the window manager or such, because i can just customize everything to my liking and as you said, the experience with gnome in my case, is very polished and i don't run into many issues.

[@tjpld]

That's where I'm at right now. Kind of need a new laptop. Want to get the M1/M2 hardware, but don't want macOS. I have used it for work and while similar to a GNOME desktop it frustrated me a lot. I just want GNOME and a good terminal with a package manager. I know there is Asahi Linux, but then there are still many things not working and I'm not sure if the battery life, which is a reason to by an M1/M2 in the first place will not be as good.

[@Goobermanguy]

@@tjpld If you are still looking, I just saw a video about Asahi on "The Linux Experiment"'s channel which gives a good overview of what does/doesn't work yet. According to that video, battery life running KZbin videos constantly in the background was 4h (without GPU drivers) or 10h (with GPU drivers) compared to MacOS 14h.

[@TaufiqRahman]

The most honest and helpfull video about MacOs. I don't know why even the top Tech reviews never talk about this, These are real issues. I have even talked to other mac uses and they try to defend Apple with ridiculous notions like, you "not suppose to cut and paste files". Livakivi Thanks for being honest and showing the way arround these issues.

[@PvtAnonymous]

it's true though. Most people I see switching to macOS come over there with a Windows mindset. They always complain that macOS doesn't work like Windows and, in fact, it's not supposed to. Like your example of cutting and pasting files. On macOS it's called moving and the simple solution is to just copy the files and press "alt" when pasting them (CMD ALT V is the full shortcut). It is essentially the same thing, but the philosophy is a different one. macOS is designed in a non-destructive way, meaning that most actions you perform can be reversed. What happens if you cut a file on Windows and cut another file afterwards before pasting the first one? This is a design that Apple wouldn't approve, while Microsoft has no problem with it. It's all a mindset and most shortcomings of macOS can be worked around or even surpassed with a bunch of fantastic third-party tools.

[@Chopper153]

macOS is unusable for anyone who uses alt+tab in Windows/Linux. Most users who use Mac are common users (basically MacBook Air users) and they essentially use the trackpad only. Windows or Linux power users won't ever touch a mac. The only group that uses Mac professionally are youtubers and programmers. And many of them do complain but Apple does nothing.

[@PvtAnonymous]

@@Chopper153 dude, what are you saying? Windows Alt-Tab is enabled by DEFAULT on macOS via CTRL-F4 or CMD-´ (the apostrophe thingy). You can put that on Alt-Tab if you want to restore default Windows behavior. That's EXACTLY why I wrote my first comment.

[@TaufiqRahman]

​@@PvtAnonymous I understand, i have been a power user of windows and have been operating servers and VMs. I know that you can Move a file in MAC OS, I just saying it not intutive, all othe Apps have Cmd+X, Cmd V for user cut paste. only in fiders it does not work. not only that the filder menu shows the command but it desabled. The shortcut or any clear indication there is a move funtionallity is missing. The command (CMD ALT V) who can a user know about it. They have to google it. I did this, and figured it out. My point in most used use mac os and never find it out even, and say you don't need cut and paste. They copy paste and go back and delete the file manually. This is more prone to error. Why do think all Linux UI uses windows like behavior,(not looks). Because its better. There are other kinks like the WIFI ordering in the menu, it just random, making hard for an use to figer out which wifi to connect to, the WIFI Id can come up at the end if you sitting next to your router. Just think you have new router and you want to set it up. other things said in the videos like a window managment. It horrible and i would neve use MAC for progamming it bought mine for that porpose. And tried to be "Kool and use it" as my primary mechine. but I will never go though this, mess. WIndows works fine. it has it flaw, but it is much easied to use, and more intutive then a MAC. and with all due respect, Dock is sh*t if not saying this you did not use windows or any other OS. you have to right like and open a menu to find other instances of the same applications but by default right clik is disable in MAC OS. A use can open a intace of browser and loss it for ever :).

[@karmatraining]

I had to install Karabiner Elements to get my Macbook Pro's keyboard to closely resemble Windows. I'm just too used to using Ctrl+everything. Once I did that it got a lot easier to use. I actually think it has the best laptop keyboard I've ever used.

[@slothguy_]

I never knew mac os was this different to linux and windows, I was going to buy a macbook but you saved me lol, looks like an OS in beta

[@Varangian_af_Scaniae]

Maybe there are functional Linus distros you can use? Because the hardware is fantastic.

[@DoctorRainer]

Lol, no. The video just doesn't focus on macOS strong points because, duh. It's a video about fixing «issues». So too bad you didn't give it a shot. Different doesn't mean bad

[@inedholp1565]

​@@DoctorRainer i mean, he had to change the way the window system works because the default experience was so different to windows that it would've been better to use a system that's not even close to windows OR (some of) linux. that story would even be in the minority for people somewhat like him, because he took the time to make the OS his own and tailored to his experience. i think quite a lot of people wouldn't even think of doing half that much, leaving most people disappointed that they spent that much money on something they don't like. it's probably a good OS but it's just _too_ different for most people who are used to windows

[@DoctorRainer]

@@inedholp1565 > because the default experience was so different to windows The biggest problem with people that that they think that macOS is Windows, it's not. It's simply different. No need to interpolate your old habits.

[@inedholp1565]

@@DoctorRainer i feel like because he used a tiling window manager for the first time because of this, it gives the impression that it doesn't even need to be "like windows" it just needs to be "not mac". window management on mac is said to be terrible, even by avid mac users, some people don't mind that, but i feel like that's still an important part of an OS that will turn off most people

[@subject8123]

Dude! I’m in love with your tiling setup, gonna have to give that a shot. My NVMe crapped out, 3rd one, and I misplaced my windows USB. I literally had to run windows in a VM on my 2017 MacBook to make a new one… After that headache I decided I would just give Mac a proper shot. Turned my PC into a NAS with 10 3TB HDD bestowed upon me and I’m forcing myself to daily drive the Mac and if I actually like it I’ll get a new M2. Great video, so glad I stumbled upon you.

[@TheOnlyName]

As a Windows user, this video was extremely insightful! Thanks for this.

[@omeysalvi]

This was honestly illuminating and killed all my desire to buy an M1 Macbook Air

[@ubermut1379]

As a very casual MacOS user, this is like entering a new universe! And I can confirm that MacOS works way better for me as a more casual user. And even worse, I only taught myself how to use shortcuts with MacOS. Ironically, I feel like Apple encourages shortcuts more that Microsoft does. I don’t even have a problem with Mac specific window management, because the automatic window snapping on windows always annoyed me as I didn’t like the way it worked. Nonetheless, your window management system looks very interesting! Your video encourages me to experiment a bit more. And yeah, Mac OS runs a lot more smoothly than windows does and that’s very important for me as a student. I lost several documents on windows due to saving issues. This didn’t happen to me even once with my Mac. MacOS overall is a lot more intuitive to use for me as a casual than windows ever was, but I’m excited for Asahi Linux coming to MacOS. I am really looking forward to doing more Gaming on my Mac and to try out Linux for a bit longer 😊

[@plaintext7288]

Same thoughts coming from someone learning backend web development I only use the built-in monitor and don't really like having applications side by side, so the window management issues are practically nonexistent (especially if you are comfortable using the trackpad and gestures) and never seriously considered doing something about it Even for development the os is good, I just don't understand people complaining)

[@ubermut1379]

@@plaintext7288 oh I actually use several windows side by side. But what always annoyed me about the window snapping from Microsoft was that it always snapped 50/50. I have to read lots of texts for uni and I like to do my notes right next to it on word. But the way some texts are scanned, and also the size of some word docs (I like to see a certain amount of text etc) it never made sense to me to do it 50/50. more often than not, one text would be way to small, the other one would be way to big and I don’t like that.

[@charliesumorok6765]

In system preferences, you can set keyboard shortcuts, like toggling full screen, for all apps.

[@shacklesburst]

You summed up my exact thoughts on macOS as well. Coming from roughly 15 years of just Linux everywhere (mostly xMonad and i3), at first I was kind of shocked by the absolutely awful state of window management and the total lack of out of the box configurability. You can fix it somewhat by installing some third-party applications like yabai and skhd, without which I'd have thrown out this machine after 3 days, tops. And nowadays I'm in the same shoes as you. I would love to get this kind of hardware quality from a Windows laptop I can slap NixOS on, but there's just nothing comparable out there. Themain thing Apple really has got going for itself (after the Apple Silicon switch) is this kind of build-quality, power and battery life in a sturdy and portable package. It's a real shame they try to lock down their machines (and we should always be aware: it's still *their* machines. You barely rent it. Apple does *NOT* see any of us as true owners of their hardware. They can brick you any time they deem reasonable.) so badly that you can't just easily install Linux and do away with macOS entirely. I don't think it would even cost them much -- the vast majority of users are gonna use their operating system in default mode anyways, because the only thing they use it for is run a browser to write emails and watch youtube. So they would instead make money from a bunch more power users exploring the Apple Silicon platform, but lose a tiny bit of control over a small fraction of their users. We can't have nice things like that, of course.

[@tobene]

IMO the one thing that improves macos UX the most is to open/focus windows with Spotlight or Raycast (CMD+Spacebar) instead of your mouse.

[@Tetex]

Thanks for this video. As a Linux user that sometime considers buying a Mac I can say this was very helpful. I already knew about many of these issues, but some of them were completely new to me. Still, my idea was to use Asahi Linux as my main OS but it is still not there yet for me.

[@affieuk]

I'm waiting for the M3, but I'm still waiting for better news on power management for Asahi, I saw a comment elsewhere that battery life is awful on Asahi. I might end up ricing as this video has done.

[@kfj795]

the amount of fiddling around and workarounds is THE dealbraker

[@ThatOneArgentinianGamer]

I've reached 15 minutes into the video and I'm already having a bad feeling about MacOS 😂. You earned a subscriber for that cymbal joke 🤣. Good stuff!

[@Kyurem_originale_Form]

I always use the Terminal calculator. Command: bc -l For example there you can also define variables.

[@glltyt]

And this is one of the reasons I'm an Arch Linux user. I'm willing to put up with having to fix everything. I don't think a single OS or distro works well out of the box, so I'd rather configure the one that will fight me the least along the way. It's a lot of trouble but I find a good bit of zen in the process because I have more control over it. Things that go wrong are usually my fault and things are the way they are because I decided on something and not because of defaults that were picked for me. I don't feel the need to configure every single device to the limit though. I'm okay with using Android. I loved my ipod touch 4G. I've tolerated using Windows since millennium edition. I think the Mac you have probably doesn't have so many UX issues when it's in the hands of the people it's probably designed for and I think that's okay too. But I don't think Mac or Windows are designed for power users in any capacity at this point. I'd say Windows cares about gaming but.. It never really feels like it. PC gaming feels like a total blowup. I dunno man I just wanna use my hardware. Maybe even.. own it.. one day.

[@jonni235]

Congratulations, this is one of the best MacBook reviews I've seen so far. I actually used a Mac in the past, but then I sold it after one month because it was backwards and so complicated for simple tasks. I bought a Huawei Matebook, which is made of aluminum and feels premium, and I never had a problem with it. The issue is that Windows nowadays is so easy and fluid that it has become boring, so people want to complicate their lives with a Mac. I was willing to buy again because I got bored of Windows, but after this review, it reminds me of the old times fighting to close apps. You basically spent 3500€ on a computer that you have to work hard just to position the windows 😄 Macs have premium hardware, but their software feels stuck in 2008, just like iOS. This is my personal opinion.

[@williambergmann641]

Great video, and lots of great solutions. As someone who made the leap from Windows to Mac [for productivity- I still have a Windows gaming laptop and a Windows work laptop], the one thing I' see a lot in these types of videos is that people are not so much forcing themselves to use macOS for 30 days so much as they're spending 30 days trying to turn macOS into whatever OS they previously used. There are some minor and huge differences in the way the system is designed to be used, and if you finding yourself fighting against them, it's just not going to be a great experience.

[@Christobanistan]

Don't blame others for wanting an OS with a decent UX. The don't want their old OS, they want MacOS to fix the many design flaws. Frankly, MacOS feels archaic, like using BeOS today.

[@TrTai]

This was awesome seeing, if a bit late, ended up jumping from windows with some linux to full linux then needed a laptop and took the plunge after windows for my personal use started eating at the last straws of my sanity. It makes me feel a lot better seeing someone go through the same struggles and finding solutions. There's a lot of things that are really nice with gestures and such when you're using it as a laptop, but if you try to go back to a desktop-like setup, it's insanely annoying even relying on 3rd party tools and still has issues. Thankfully it (mostly) fits my needs and the battery life is pretty insane and is much closer to my e-ink device than any laptop I've had or deployed (with basic day-to-day use), which I'm still struggling to wrap my brain about. The full screen = space is one of those things that I like for some things but maaaan it crops up issues from time to time like you mentioned. I'm already gaming on linux for almost everything and my couple main games (freakin' league) that I'd actually want to check in on on the go, work more than fine, so I think I'm going to stick with it too and just supplement it with a desktop and resources in my homelab. Yabai is super interesting and I hadn't run into it yet and Migaku was something I didn't know about having fallen off my JP learning and I'm definitely using that going forward. Thanks for putting out your thoughts, struggles and solutions on this!

[@hotrodhunk7389]

Id go with a framework laptop personally. Good build quality and the ability to upgrade anything is really good 👍

[@daandelombaert4647]

Some pointers: - You can toggle mission control with a keyboard shortcut - The key repeat thing only happens for specific locales, I assume your language has a lot of accents so that's the reason why long pressing "a" or "e" or "s" gives you the list of accents. Personally I find it a handy feature as I'm using a qwerty keyboard, but I'm from Belgium where we have french accents so without that feature I would have to resort to funky shortcuts (like in linux) - Drag and drop to the dock being slow, you can speed up that behaviour through the settings (spring loading)

[@maximood-tired]

I've also got myself a M1 Air a month ago to use it besides my windows machine, and I agree with all points you make 100%. Some other annoying things are that there is no middle mouse click in macos, and there is no diagonal scrolling in Safari. Im also thinking about selling it again

[@christianalbrecht2054]

Hi! First of all, props to you, because you walked the way and didn’t stop just because you are used to windows. You general Video overall is very solid. But as a MacOS user for many years now I would like to tell you how and why ppl use MacOS so long. Most use MacOS only for work, means playing games is never a point on this machines. I have a PS5 for gaming or a a gaming PC. (Each thing has its designed purpose) When it comes to working with MacOS no one actually uses multiple apps on one screen. I for example use all apps in full screen and never minimize them. I do almost everything with keyboard shortcuts (build into MacOS) or Alfred to find whatever I need. Files, Apps, whatever. I can confirm that most external monitors doesn’t have enough PPI to display as sharp as the MacBook Pro screen does. For me this is in general a working machine and it if someone switches from windows to MacOS, do not expect it to work like Windows. Because it doesn’t and won’t work like windows any time. From my perspective it’s the best to ignore what one knows and is used to on windows and just get into a new experience and learn to use an OS different. At the end it’s worth to know that Apple products in general not only sell a single product, it’s more like an ecosystem. That has advantages if you really use it to its maximum, but can also be challenging if you want to mix it with other OS like windows and Android. Like we all know, not everything is good, no matter where you look. However, welcome to the Apple-verse 😄