LIVE Electrical Panel Upgrade | High Voltage Arc Flash 40 CAL Suit | Trained PRO (DO NOT ATTEMPT)

[@landerselectric]

ARC FLASH SUIT KIT 👉 amzn.to/3TERzvB BEST Electrical Multi-Meter that I use everyday! 👉 amzn.to/3TNDSL2 THIS IS NOT A TUTORIAL FOR UNTRAINED INDIVIDUALS. DO NOT ATTEMPT! Only trained professionals who have completed all required safety training should ever attempt to perform work like this. AGAIN I STATE THIS IS NOT A TUTORIAL FOR UNTRAINED INDIVIDUALS. DO NOT ATTEMPT! The point was to show how to safely work on a live circuit. Wear all proper PPE and follow NFPA 70E and OSHA regs. I thought it would be a good demonstration to remind everyone how important following procedure is considering so many electricians don’t use PPE or are urged by their employers to do hot work without the proper PPE. Below is a link to the full demonstration video kzbin.info/www/bejne/qp-xeZqah7qmaq8 And here’s a video showing an installation of a data logger on LIVE Switchgear. kzbin.info/www/bejne/qXbCmKJsrpiNqcksi=K8k5hZyQ6b3JGIWs

[@bemckinn1985]

Great video! Thank you, it was really interesting and informative.

[@landerselectric]

@bemckinn1985 you’re welcome! I’m working on another video where I install current transformers on a live switch gear for a 30 day load study. Should be released tomorrow or the following day.

[@Art12453]

@@landerselectricawesome I’m an apprentice and I love to learn as much as I can about how electricity works and how we as humans can get higher/lower voltages. Thanks for the great video

[@jimscott8077]

When I came up, you were expected to work stuff hot. I was working 277v hot as a 2nd year apprentice. While I am comfortable doing energized work. I prefer to turn it off.

[@jimscott8077]

Some jurisdictions require a 2nd Journeyman to be present and be CPR certified when hot work is performed.

[@landmine5610]

Wouldn't most remove the breakers first to reduce the load off of the phases?

[@checkmatenate]

Man you kick ass. You are the real deal. I had to deal with knob and tube wiring for a bathroom renovation I did over there in alameda county and I had to do a makeshift ground on that thing lol. I’ve seen an electrician I’ve worked pull out the big leather gloves before too but never a suit or three layers haha

[@Mattspd98]

this right here is whats ruining the trades. all that for split phase low voltage

[@oscargiron9290]

I've just finished my electrician course (4th category electrician or Residencial Electrician). Getting prepared for my Test to get the license. And this video is way better than what I've learned or seeing before. Thanks for sharing it. May GOD Bless You, and may GOD Bless America.

[@landerselectric]

Congrats Oscar! Hope you pass your test! And you’re welcome! Hope it was helpful!

[@oscargiron9290]

@@landerselectric All your videos are very helpful. Thank you very much. GOD Bless You. By the way, I'm writing from San Salvador, El Salvador. We use here the US NEC.

[@landerselectric]

@@oscargiron9290 Really glad the videos are helping you down in El Salvador! God bless you too!

[@mr.hardhat175]

Can someone put a link to the torque ratchet that is insulated and can handle the voltage?

[@benjaminsamms]

Maybe I'm lucky but I've never been in a situation where I had to change a panel live. I always pull the meter and call it a day. The only safe way to work with electric is to de energize.

[@randymonicalammi2320]

I started working for an Electrical Contractor in 1975. Ten years later I started my own business. The one thing that is most important for safety is, to work like it is "hot" , all the time. It trains you to work in safe manner all the time.

[@landerselectric]

Well said!

[@ddhpete]

Nothing wrong with being cautious working hot but good gracious talk about overkill.

[@jiddukrishnamurti4596]

That was cool dude

[@landerselectric]

Hope it helped!

[@TheChipmunk2008]

Nice to see it done properly. It's my experience here in the UK too, a close call (especially with hugely expensive medical bills there!) will make people take safety seriously. I got locked onto a 240v circuit because of 1) reverse polarity, 2) switched neutral, and 3), and this one is on me... failure to test properly. Falling off the steps is all that saved me. You can guarandamntee i follow procedure now

[@landerselectric]

I hear you. Sometimes it takes a wake up call for people to follow proper protocol. Glad you’re ok!

[@shawnwaterssw]

Great video

[@landerselectric]

Thanks! Hope it was helpful.

[@JeffM-r5j]

I haven't laughed this hard in a while. Pull the meter or open the over current device. I'm retired now but spent years working feeders hot were shutdowns were rare. I don't advocate for this, but that was the job. Be safe and enjoy the journey.

[@JohnThomas-lq5qp]

Doubt if any utility companies supply basic 120/240 volt single phase residential services that would even require 20 CAL PPE. Bet 99% of electricians never worked on or near HIGH voltage. 13,200 volt services that I had to transfer power or rack out the breaker was NOT high voltage but medium voltage. Think high voltage does not start until above 25,000 volts. We had 40 CAL PPE for for over a dozen 13.2KV substations and 50 Cal PPE for a large 15 floor building. Years ago while an apprentice the electrician told me to turn on a 2,000 amp breaker that feed a 2,300 volt step up transformer. The 2,300 volt cable had a short and the switchgear room was 30' off the ground supported by concrete piers. Entire room shook when the 2,000 amp breaker tripped.Bsck in the early 70's we only had one pair of 20,000 volt rubber gloves to share with five sparkies.

[@landerselectric]

The NEC says hi voltage is anything above 50 volts. Remember KZbin is a global audience not just electricians. For us we understand medium voltage and high voltages different. And thats crazy! Glad you were ok!

[@JohnThomas-lq5qp]

@@landerselectric Then please the NEC article that states this. At several continuing education classes they mentioned that the local 4,200 & 13,200 volt service are medium voltage .

[@jessgothebraic6443]

I think what is needed is patience, it would be alot safer and enjoyable if you worked a little slower taking it one step at a time, i know the suit makes it worse... But just step back more times, it might take longer, but this is a serious job...

[@landerselectric]

Completely agree. Sometimes I get in a rush. Need to slow down. Thanks for the tip!

[@dieselsoggydog6299]

Have the utility pull the meter if you can't access the main panel. Need to send off those gloves to have tested every 6 months to make sure they are good.

[@12345637393]

always check your rubbers 😉

[@landerselectric]

Absolutely!

[@MoonbeamAcres]

I know you were protected and took as many safe measures as you could, but I swear I held my breath the entire time you were working. LOL Bless your heart.

[@landerselectric]

Yeah, it felt like I was holding my breath in there too. Definitely need to get some ventilation if I ever have to do this again.

[@TheBiglarryman]

Pull the meter base

[@dillonweaver2307]

I did my own reconnect not too long ago just fine after a new mass. I didn’t need a single thing insulated lol I like being energized just be aware lol

[@dunckeroo1987]

Yup, keep your shoes or boots dry. The floor you stand on could be a ground path.

[@psywiped]

Why couldn't you pull the meter or open the OCPD? Now that you've replaced the panel and there was no means of disconnect there is a Code Violation per 230.85 or 240.4 and 240.21.

[@dillonweaver2307]

I’ve done it so many years I’m hardly affected by a hit maybe a little first one of the day after that there all easy

[@JR-rx2ke]

Question: In your opinion wouldn't be better if all terminal screws were square drive or even better Torx drive to prevent cam out when tightening the screws and especially when torquing the mains?

[@landerselectric]

Yes. All the square d home line ground bars, neutral bars, and single and double pole breakers are. The tandems and main lugs aren’t. It would be nice if they made them all standard torx.

[@cowboyfrankspersonalvideos8869]

I always fold the end of my tape "flag" over, sticky to sticky, so if something hits it as I am pulling or pushing the cable and the tape adheres itself to the cable, I still have a little flag that won't stick to the cable. Takes a bit over a second but can save several minutes of trying to find the end of the tape.

[@landerselectric]

That’s a great idea! Thanks for the input.

[@Tcrazy4u]

I like watching these kinds of videos but I'm confused, why not connect the ground, neutral and hots with the suit on and then take the suit off and do all the separate runs? I see a main at the top of the panel, wouldn't it have been safe?

[@pitz10]

This is over kill

[@gunneredwards6609]

How close was your ground wire to neutral bar on the right side?

[@landerselectric]

Good eye. After I walked it with the inspector I noticed that it was a little close so I moved it further away.

[@RS-qp4bp]

When I suit up with a forty cal suit and hood I also use a battery powered blower/ventilator that circulates fresh air into the hood and it also helps to keep you cool inside the hood. If you don't use a blower you will suffocate on your own expelled carbon dioxide which makes the whole job very uncomfortable causing you to pause and lift your hood to get a breath of fresh air. Otherwise, you did a good job.

[@landerselectric]

Appreciate the tip! I’ll definitely look for a setup I can buy to bring in the fresh air. Thanks for the input!

[@dustinclary736]

I've done it a million times in shorts and a t-shirt

[@mr.hardhat175]

Foreal? 🤣

[@Nessy-432]

Why not shut the main off . Or is this just for demonstration purposes

[@andrewgray4356]

You have power off?

[@fernanddubois1792]

I had an electrician wire up a sub-panel from a 200 amp service main panel. LAid out all the battery lights I owned for him. ( both panels are in a basement) He chose to work live. He ran a new line to a new electric water heater to the snub sub panel and installed it to the new sub. THEN he ran a line to the main, moved two circuits to the sub to make room for the 60 amp breaker to feed the sub. At no time was he ever moving hot wires.

[@JohnThomas-lq5qp]

Best to spend more extra money on hoods that contain a battery operated cooling fan. Not fun wearing the hood during hot humid summer days.

[@landerselectric]

I agree! Thanks for the tip!

[@bossladycleaninghacks]

What is the biggest concern when dealing with live wires? Is it sparks? Or directly touching the wires? (Not an electrician)

[@DLmohh]

Both.. arc flash or getting shocked bad

[@bossladycleaninghacks]

@@DLmohh thank you :)

[@lydo379]

Don't listen to the haters, there is nothing wrong with not wanting molten copper burned into your skin and eyes. 40 cal is obviously overkill, but you mention that several times so idk why people keep saying it. If it were me I would have put a piece of rubber mat or cardboard behind the hot lugs before pulling them, that way if something came out sideways there would be less of a chance of it arcing, and the same for putting them back in. The only other advice I can give is if you ever work hot in a more strict environment like a lot of industrial facilities, you need to wear safety glasses with the suit, you need a rated rubber mat to stand on, your gloves need to have an inspection stamp every 6 months from a testing lab, and you need all insulated tools ( no ratchets wrapped in tape or regular strippers lol). It's good you care about safety and take things seriously. It's a good sign you are a good leader and boss.

[@landerselectric]

Really appreciate your input and the tips! I should’ve waited until I had my true insulated Allen’s and ratchet wrench. The tape I used is rated at 600v and I put a bunch of it on but still would’ve been better to wait. I’m not planning on doing this ever again unless absolutely necessary but I will definitely make sure I get a large size rubber mat to be extra safe. Thanks so much for the advice. Always trying to learn more for me and my guys!

[@lydo379]

@@landerselectric Oh I've done the same, so don't think I'm judging you hahaha. Rubber splicing tape works just as good as anything else. Insulated rachets, wrenches, sockets, allens, and torque wrenches are insanely expensive and nearly impossible to justify if you don't use them often or if you don't have a safety inspector breathing down your neck lol.

[@landerselectric]

@@lydo379 No judgement taken.

[@TheChipmunk2008]

@@landerselectric Not sure if you can get them there, but for any work, even dead, I use a 1000v knipex cable demolition knife for stripping larger conductors. It's got a very short blade so fairly safe even bare handed (on known dead stuff) and bites thru even tough XLPE insulation that we use on our armoured 90 C cables here in the uk :) This video got you a sub my brother from another country ... Stay safe, go home at the end of the day

[@wrinkledasian5206]

I think he's doing a great public service in terms of knowledge. At least, he didn't try to prevent a nuclear chain reaction by only using a screwdriver like they did with the demon core.

[@landerselectric]

Thanks, Kevin!

[@burtburtist]

the fit is insane, where did you buy your suit, any suggestions for where to get them?

[@landerselectric]

I ordered mine from Mitchell Instruments in Vista, CA. They were great!

[@ElMatador03]

5 more minutes, you’ll have to take another helicopter to the ER for dehydration

[@landerselectric]

Gotta buy a fan for that thing.

[@moe85moe85]

Could you have installed a service disconnect before the panel when doing this - to avoid future need to do this again?

[@landerselectric]

I think so. This is the 2nd time I’ve done this in 2 years and I hate doing it every time.

[@johnmaranuk1842]

​@landerselectric Yeah definitely would have been beneficial to install a disco. Then you would not have to deal that again

[@richardyates1033]

Why not loosen the lock ring and pull the cable with the romex connector out at the same time?

[@landerselectric]

Unfortunately there isn’t a lockring. It’s an NM 2 screw cable strap.

[@therealgreenmonsta7264]

I am wondering why the main panel wasn't accessible to turn off power. Or was this for demonstration purposes? Either way this was a great video. Nice work

[@landerselectric]

Glad you enjoyed it! We couldn’t access the main breaker or the meter and calling the utility to turn off the power would’ve put a ton of customers out of power. This was mostly for demonstration purposes. This is not a tutorial.

[@therealgreenmonsta7264]

@@landerselectric you did great work.

[@landerselectric]

@@therealgreenmonsta7264 Thanks! Hope it was helpful!

[@rayarsenault4774]

18:44 the reason for the wire brush is to remove existing oxidation before your apply the inhibitor.

[@marlawhite3682]

Why would you need a hot suit on an indoor house pannel? What state are you in? Its only 220 right from the main house drop? Apprintance electrician in TX

[@landerselectric]

CA

[@100bandstunnaman9]

Apprentice*

[@awwaldo]

That model of 40 cal suit appears to NOT have a ventilation fan in the hood. That means after a short time you are rebreathing your already used air and it gets worse the longer you're in it. I recommend stopping every now and then to remove the hood and replenish the air inside. (retired industrial/master electrician)

[@landerselectric]

That’s a really good point! I don’t use it very often so I don’t really think about it. If I use it again I will definitely implement that.

[@robertmather7696]

The forced air ventilation kits really help I always used to use mine as I had to wear the 40cal suit minimum daily. It keeps the visor clear, felt dangerous without it vision through the visor when steamed up isn't a good thing

[@raygunsforronnie847]

@@landerselectric Stephan - I'm not a master electrician but I know the sounds of worker distress, and if I were the site supervisor, would have had you take a couple of 5 minute 'breaks in situ" to get oxygen going again. Also during the old work removal I thought you might be dehydrated. We don't notice the little changes in our dexterity, speech, or thinking while working but we can see them in these recordings later. A big thank you for emphasizing never working alone and pre-setting tools and supplies to make assembly and connections faster, more reliable, and with less personnel stress.

[@jonathancall9967]

Could you have just landed those hot conductors into the main breaker with the main breaker off before landing all the individual branch circuit conductors onto the breakers?

[@landerselectric]

You could do it that way for sure but then you’d need to wear the hot suit for the entire panel makeup. It’s not in the video but I actually took off the hot suit to do all the panel makeup and the last thing was to land the feeders. I didn’t want to have to wear the hot suit the entire time. Another thought would be to land them and then cover them with cardboard but technically you’re still in front of live wires and I didn’t want that. Good point though.

[@jonathancall9967]

@@landerselectric if the breakers are off with the main circuit breaker turned off can you safely work the rest of the panel without a hot suit as the individual circuit breakers are de-energized?

[@landerselectric]

@@jonathancall9967 anytime a panel is opened even just to change a breaker or add 1 circuit the electrical panel must be dead. That includes all feeder wires. If anything in the panel is hot you cannot work on it without wearing the proper PPE and following all NFPA 70E and OSHA regulations. Please don’t mistake me for am saying that anyone can go out and buy a hot suit and work on a live circuit. Hope that helps!

[@glennmcgurrin8397]

Instead of leaving the hot feeder taped up and putting them in around other cables, why not use a main breaker sub with guards around the feeder connection and wire the feeder firsh but keep the new main off, thus having all live points protected and less complex maneuvering with live conductors?

[@landerselectric]

That’s a great idea! I should’ve done that on this one!

[@robertmather7696]

How did you test the gloves? 12:20

[@grantronald5736]

His gloves are expired !

[@robertmather7696]

@@grantronald5736 you only get 12months from date of manufacture on the gloves rated to 1000v+ in the UK

[@georgep9473]

How come none of the new circuits aren't AFCI protected

[@landerselectric]

In our area, AFCI’s are not required for a panel replacement. Only if you add any additional circuits.

[@harleym6555]

Turn off the power to the power on the main breaker. Call the electrical company

[@yinggamer7762]

Excellent work, could you try using a fan when in that suit to make you more comfortable, less rushing. And more careful? The ones for drying floors are great

[@landerselectric]

Definitely considering this. Thinking about rigging up to computer fans to a battery pack.

[@TheChipmunk2008]

@@landerselectric I wonder if one of the powered respirators some carpenters use would fit under the hood. They pull air in from outside the suit, thru a filter, and direct it right into you... if you cut a few holes in the mask (as dust protection isn't your main concern) or even just removed part of the mask, I wonder if that wouldn't be a viable solution?

[@fredmueller9919]

You cannot alter the mask at all. Cutting holes in the Face shield would Destroy the integrity of protecting the worker working on live energize parts in the event of an arc flash. There should be a cooled filtered air system designed and available for these Arc flash suits and should be mandatory and included when purchasing at the time by the employer without exception. These suits are miserable to work in. They’re hot as hell, cumbersome and necessary if you’re going to work on hot service panels or switch gear.

[@elc2k385]

Nice job, I learned a few things.

[@landerselectric]

Thanks! Glad to hear it!

[@bills6946]

You don’t use a Nomex suit and UV face shield for the job he’s doing. All he needed was insulated gloves and leather gauntlets over the rubber. You need it for 277/480 volt jobs. 277/480 is the only voltage that will ionize the air and copper on a short circuit causing a fire ball. 120/240 single phase will cause an arc but not a fire ball, which would set you on fire. Even 7,200/13,800 volts does not ionize the air. Simple physics. Looks good for a video, though . Full disclosure. Trained Union electrician with 42 years experience, including all OSHA required High Voltage Safety Certification. Nothing wrong with suiting up but completely unnecessary and very expensive to purchase. If this is only his second time working on a live panel, he should find a different line of work. Window washing comes to mind. BTW. If he called the power company to pull the meter, as he should have done, the lineman would have only put on leather gauntlet gloves.

[@A..n..d..y]

I thought there was a limit on the number of double breakers allowed in a panel.

[@landerselectric]

Good point. The panel I’m using has a notch in the bussing. This panel allows for tandem breakers all the way throughout. It’s rated for it. Other panels that I use there is no notch in some of the breaker slots, making sure that you can’t overload the panel with too many breakers. In addition, tandem breakers have rejection clips on them That don’t allow them to go into certain slots in these square D panels.

[@marlawhite3682]

what state are you in?

[@phillipchen7749]

nice work!

[@landerselectric]

Thanks!

[@joshhess2592]

Love the safety. I feel like this is an industrial guy doing resi😂

[@landerselectric]

Pretty much nailed it. Gotta take the jobs when they come. 😀

[@Ryan-323]

Love the version of lockout tag out! The building are as you’re locked out sucks to be us in the hot suit!

[@TheChipmunk2008]

it's a valid method. We use it in a nursing home we work in regularly, the distribution board cupboard has a padlock on it. We remove their padlock and put our own LOTO locks on

[@electricalload]

Great job making emphasis on safety measures. Everyone has their opinions but if you have the protection equipment, if you have the time and it’s not an emergency, then… why not use it. I mean it’s not like you’re gonna wear all the stuff every time you need to do something in the panel but for the video I get the point on being safe. I would like to know if you recommend any particular brand for torque screwdrivers and how much torque it’s ok to work with.

[@landerselectric]

Thanks for the encouragement. I think it’s really important. As far as torquing screwdriver, the one I have just broke and I just bought it a few months ago. I don’t know that I would recommend that one. Im gonna do some research and then I’ll try to get back to you. Can anyone else chime in? What’s the best brand for a torquing screwdriver?

[@electricalload]

@@landerselectric thanks man I appreciate it

[@landerselectric]

@@electricalload you’re welcome!

[@WeMe83]

If it’s not an emergency then you can wait until you’re able to turn it off.

[@TheChipmunk2008]

Modern breakers in the US have a torque rating (at least schneider and square d do) in both inch pounds and newton metres

[@nickk05281982]

What are you doing to secure all that wire within 12”? Maybe it’s out of view of the camera

[@landerselectric]

Yes sir. I cut the panel makeup and strapping out of the video because I wanted to make a different video with those clips. I really wanted this video to focus on the hot suit. We use the Milwaukee stapler ad make sure they’re all supported within 12”. I should be posting that other video sometime next week.

[@jackrenders8937]

correct me if I am wrong, are these the wires that come directly from the power lines? So there is no differential PE-N safety breaker? I don't exactly know the terminology of the US electrical system.

[@landerselectric]

We don’t think that the wires came directly from the power company. We didn’t have access to the meter main breaker on one As a competent person trained in NFPA 70 and OSHA standards, I thought this would be a great opportunity to work safely Hot.

[@johnmaranuk1842]

​@@landerselectricWas this an emergency job? Or was it scheduled? If scheduled, I'd say I'll be back when I can access the electrical closet.... I do appreciate your videos though brother. Safety 1st! Be safe out there ladies and gents

[@WeMe83]

@@johnmaranuk1842exactly!!!! There’s absolutely no reason for a whole panel to get changed out hot. NONE!!

[@q46ward]

Why or in what situation would you NOT have access to the main breaker? Your subscribers want to know which hand you blew up.

[@JH-lb3kc]

That's what I'm wondering. Like, why even take a job where you weren't granted access to these things?? Nothing about this scenario makes sense 😂

[@valentindino6084]

Call the utility company to cut the supply to the house then no need for the suite?

[@badger305]

What kind of gloves were the first pair you put on?

[@landerselectric]

They are a pair of heat resistant cotton gloves. They protect your hands and also help so the rubber gloves don’t stick to your hands when you try to pull them off.

[@jimscott8077]

I believe that combination, is only rated to 1000v.

[@jfrost412]

Safety first. But damn 😂, low voltage and single phase with no load. Do you wear the suit to change a breaker at a house? If that suit makes you feel comfortable, then keep it up. We all got someone waiting for us to come home. Stay safe

[@jaymes7521]

Try a 40 cal suit in a manhole, in the middle of the summer in a big city, where you may be building a splice that could take you whole day depending on the situation.

[@landerselectric]

No thanks! I’ll leave that to you!

[@mrt5187]

If you remove the Feeders ground and neutral wire first and ground and neutral wire of your circuits wrap insulate them, Then you eliminate anything the Hot feeders to Ground out on when removing them. When disconnecting the feeders and if you slip and touch the metal case of the panel nothing will happen because there's no grounding protentional.

[@landerselectric]

Good point! Thanks for the tip!

[@syntaxerorr]

The audio sounds straight from a movie with a guy in a space suit fixing the space ship.

[@Ryan-323]

Way overkill on the suit but I’m glad you’re safe. Don’t ask me how many times my dad tried to do something when the wire was still hot!!!

[@Deansadv]

My uncle and I came across to service wires exposed out of the ground at a trailer park we where working at these where the service wires to the meter box which was missing he my uncle pulled a 12 inch or so quarter inch maybe 3/8ths in shank screwdriver out and decided to short on the lines to see if they where hot I was about 6 feet back unexpecting what was to come. That was the biggest bluest arc I’ve ever seen in my life melted the screwdriver in half he was fine but damn I live with a respect for electricity most people never understand

[@landerselectric]

I hope they’ll read the comments about stories like yours. I’ll tell you what, my apprentice knows first hand what It can do as well. He was there when the 240v blast blew up my hand. He was there when the ambulance showed up, and when the helicopter took me down to the hospital. Thinking about making a video on that as well.

[@TheChipmunk2008]

Yep, have had that many times, bare cables in buildings that turn out to still be live. Had one where the DNO (our UK term for the power distribution company, metering is done by separate companies here) had replaced the service cable to a building, removed the service fuse and cutout from the old cable and left it sticking out of the floor. And forgot to disconnect it! Boy did they show up fast when we called

[@scotts4125]

Flame suit on here. DIY guy lol. Never saw this before so lesson learned. Just curious if any electricians have seen this and how to avoid it in the future. Low voltage installer friend came over to help me with a NEMA 14-50 receptacle. I could do everything but he was sure we would have to run #6 from the panel into the attic and back down even though I wanted this 2' from the panel. I just needed him for the attic work. He gets there and changes his mind we can go sideways only one metal stud and the panel was mounted to it. Everything was going too smooth. This is a Homeline (junk) panel BTW. 50a double pole GFCI breaker. I had to use the top 2 spaces as I was out of room. Breaker keeps tripping hard. I was stumped as I knew we wired this correctly. No shorts to ground everything was checking out. We removed the receptacle still trips. We pulled the breaker and put it in without wires. We noticed the breaker was sitting more flush then before. Hooked the neutral up no trips. Number 6's no trip. This time we hooked the wires up after the breaker was installed. We realized the wires were rocking the breaker out just enough to trip it when installing the breaker with the wires attached. It all works great now Tesla is charging at 30mph on 240v vs 5 mph on 110v. I am guessing the breaker was arcing causing it to trip. Even trying to tuck the wires in better I could see it trying to rock the breaker out. How do you guys avoid this?

[@TheChipmunk2008]

I think your guess is correct, most GFCI's are sensitive to arcing on the input side even if not AFCI, seen it a few times here in the UK with loose connections before the GFCI (we use bolt on breakers so loose busbar connections aren't an issue). As i said UK based so no experience with US style plug on breakers much (worked in wisconsin for a few years on motel electrical maintenance but no need to change breakers), but my inclination would be to bend the wires so the force is to push the breaker DOWN onto the bus. Also check the bus and the breaker connections for looseness or corrosion

[@aaron840]

with the Anti-oxidant compound you're suppose to also fill the connector with it as per the instructions step 2.

[@UKsystems]

what is professional about live electrical work in what appears to be a house where the power can be disconnected.

[@notmyname9876]

gotta get the clicks and views

[@alexvega8026]

as seen in the description of the video which i assume you either skipped because you were in a rush to comment and feel good about yourself or you skipped because you cant read: "This is a demonstration video showing how to safely follow NFPA 70E and OSHA safety standards when working with live electricity. The point of this video is to show how to safely work on a live circuit, wear all proper PPE, and follow NFPA 70E and OSHA regs. I thought it would be a good demonstration to remind everyone how important following procedure is considering so many electricians don’t use PPE or are urged by their employers to do hot work without the proper PPE." nothing more than a simple demonstration for training/example purposes...

[@notmyname9876]

@@alexvega8026 wow.... and condescending to the commenters... this guy's channel is doomed

[@UKsystems]

@@alexvega8026 this is not a realistic demonstration because in most cases anything that you can’t turn the supply off to would be in some kind of commercial environment or industrial which is extremely unlikely to not be able to disconnect the supply but industrial grade panels are used, which would more easily accommodate doing this?

[@landerselectric]

@UKsystems The point is to show how to safely work on a live circuit. Wear all proper PPE and follow NFPA 70E and OSHA regs. I thought it would be a good demonstration to remind everyone how important following procedure is considering so many electricians don’t use PPE or are urged by their employers to do hot work without the proper PPE.

[@vince6829]

Nice job!! Thanks for sharing your knowledge.

[@landerselectric]

Thanks! And you’re welcome! Lord willing I’ll be posting a ton more. Really wanna share the knowledge that I’ve gained as well as learn from all of you. I know I definitely don’t do everything perfectly. Love as much input as possible.

[@landerselectric]

The next video I’m working on right now is installing CT’s on a live gear for a 30 day load study. Should be released tomorrow or the next day.

[@vince6829]

@@landerselectricLooking forward to it. Thanks again.

[@landerselectric]

@@vince6829 You’re welcome!

[@seangriffon6502]

Why cant we just pull the meter before we do this? Thats what i would of done.

[@jimscott8077]

I remember my journeyman licking their finger to see if something was hot, times have changed.

[@landerselectric]

@@jimscott8077 Yes they have!

[@throttlebottle5906]

give it a quick brush with very calloused finger/hand and if it tingled, probably live. or when finger hit "hot" and other parts of hand brushes a neutral/ground or an unhooked hot leaving the panel/box. I have dimly lit incandescent bulbs in the past with passing through my fingers/hand. I will not bare hand anything over 120v residential, 277v grabs too much attention and hurts. also a phase to phase (480v) is most always an ugly large sustained arc. yeah, been there, done that, but not by choice/my fault, old failed reversing motor controller contactor pair, phase to phase short blew off the terminal directly upstream, which then went phase to phase arc, all on an old 15amp federal pacific breaker, the blinding arc seemed to last an eternity, in an six foot by fourteen foot area with eight foot ceiling. the only good part, eight people were very close by and nobody got hurt, other than temporary mild eyesight flash burns.

[@TheChipmunk2008]

@@throttlebottle5906 I remember going to work one morning a few years back for an electrical inspection (we sparks do that here in the UK and sign off for building control).... and i hadn't had my coffee, so i started disassembling the water heater circuit without isolating it at the distribution board. Result: i discovered 240v will wake you up faster than a triple shot cappuccino :D

[@erniecarrasquillo3483]

good for him. Sounds like someone that would pass an osha inspection 😂

[@dillonweaver2307]

@@throttlebottle5906 I’ve tried to light bulbs you can’t do that lol

[@robzema]

Well, here's a reason to do this..... Power co wouldn't pull meter without a permit. City wouldn't issue one because my retired uncle electrician had let his license expire.

[@landerselectric]

LOL!!

[@garypoplin4599]

7:00 - I thought _sure_ I was going to see you pull out your Wiggie and test that “dead” panel. If not for your 70E gear, one back-fed breaker could energize that bus and land you in the hospital again (or worse). A brave soul doing another hot swap so soon after a failed attempt! Also, I would have had direct and continuous contact with a person with a key posted on the other side of that locked entrance to the space! Great protocol otherwise.

[@landerselectric]

Good points! Thanks for the input!

[@austint1151]

I found the video even though you didnt link it in the short lol

[@landerselectric]

I thought I did. I’ll check again. Sorry about that.

[@austint1151]

@@landerselectric lol you posted it in a comment. I commented there too, there's a way to put a clickable link IN the short. You'll notice your views go up immediately

[@omarmadera4600]

The first safety issue is : were is your insulated ratchet, extension and Allen socket, because if you touch the panel with that ratchet, “”””puuuummmmm”””

[@robertverburg1481]

You got the gear to save your ass .What do you do if you drop a leg on the panel and blow it up

[@jakupwhite1516]

Yo doing this for single phase 120/240 is Bananas 😂😂😂

[@randymathews3348]

Even after reading your reason for working hot I dont think you HAD to. Schedule the shutdown w poco, shouldn't take more then an hr to remove the old can and land the feeders in the new one. Also dont understand why you couldn't access the disco being that this is a sub

[@columbuspalmer846]

Yo! You got heart man

[@landerselectric]

Thanks! Appreciate you!

[@Nctbgs]

Wish you would have showed why the power couldn’t be shut off . I just can’t see that circumstance not being able to shut the power off .

[@landerselectric]

@Nctbgs I remember working at a customers house and turning off every breaker including the main and the sub panel we were trying to work on in the garage was still hot. Come to find out they had tapped the line conductors on the Utility side. Had to get lineman out there to shut it down. I’ve also heard of stories of people tapping live feeders underground so they don’t have to pay the bill for whatever’s on that panel. Not sure that that’s the case for this one but either way there’s some circumstances where you can’t figure out where panels fed from. Unfortunately, on this one if the Utility came out to shut the power down, a whole bunch of customers would’ve gone out. I didn’t want that. As I said in the video, this is only the second time I’ve ever done this type of work hot. 99.99% of the time work we do is dead. The only thing I typically do hot is install current transformers on switch gears for 30 day load studies. Many large facilities cannot be shut down so we do install the CT while it’s hot. In fact, I just did one yesterday and I’m working on a video right now. Should have it released today or tomorrow showing how to safely install CT’s on a live gear.

[@Deansadv]

@@Nctbgs because people like my uncle in the story above used to and I’m sure still do sometimes decide to connect to the main lines before the meter box and run half their house on unmetered power so as an electrician which I’m not I’d imagine walking in on something like that and being very glad you have the equipment necessary to not get killed while trying to to repair or correct someone’s attempt to get free power in life.

[@chrisanthony579]

It's very rare for a need to work something hot and I think this is the same situation. He's just showing how to do it safely in the very rare case you need to work something hot. Our power company will pull the meter free of charge and in a emergency, they are one site within a few hours. I have worked commercial jobs where management said "we don't have key's to the electrical room" and the electrician simply says, "call us when you find the keys" .

[@WeMe83]

@@landerselectricSo it’s not that you couldn’t turn it off. You just chose to do it this way. There are plenty of other jobs out there buddy. You don’t have to do them all.

[@WeMe83]

@@chrisanthony579That’s exactly how it should be. If they need the job done they need to provide access or find someone else to do it.

[@samwilliams2006]

You did do a great job though

[@landerselectric]

Thanks so much!!

[@nickk05281982]

What the heck is with that suite lol can you see the hazards?

[@nickk05281982]

I’m thinking you don’t notice a nail and puncture your gloves and oops. Or some arching on a conductor you can’t see in that foggy mask and have a fire boom. Now the thing is you can always disconnect power. Even if it’s to the blocks week later

[@nickk05281982]

Neutral is a current carrying conductor too, it’s not dead. Plus you can have back feed and short current on the groumd

[@nickk05281982]

Really if you’re trying to be as safe as pole test those circuit you can have back feed if they do something wonky like steal power and backfeed

[@samwilliams2006]

You use more protection than the electric company that puts it in in their messing with high voltages, at least in my area. There is a pair of gloves that you can buy that's good for I think it's 1200 volts that would easily work for what you're doing they do come up halfway up your arm

[@landerselectric]

Great point. After blowing up my hand on a different panel a few years ago I just don’t mess around anymore.

[@david2506]

did you check to see if hot wires had any cracks before taping them together?

[@landerselectric]

I did not. Great point. Someone could’ve put their knife through it when they initially installed it. Thanks for the tip!

[@TheChipmunk2008]

@@landerselectric Every day you don't learn a new tip or trick, is a wasted day, and I'm 51 with 33 yrs time served

[@Carmenfaranda]

Dude,find the main disconnect it's out there!

[@TXVIND]

People can ramble. Im no electrician but I am a HVAC company owner/operator. I will say once you get bit by electricity you will want to have a suit even if you look silly 😂.

[@brians8664]

Don’t just listen to the glove, put it up to your face and see if you feel it. I’ve had a leak in a glove that I could feel but not hear. Also, anyone assisting you (tool guy) needs to be wearing a full suit and gloves also. If they can come in contact with you, they need to be protected also. “We know that these gloves are good, we checked them”. To clarify, you check them before you put them on and after you take them off, every single time. No excuses, every time.

[@landerselectric]

Great points thanks for the input!

[@throttlebottle5906]

probably should "water dunk" test them, obviously not right before use! tiny bubbles mean troubles!

[@t1reed1]

This seems like parody. A 40 cal suit for that? A fault wouldn't even give you a sunburn. Safety glasses would have been fine if the world was ending, and the only way you could save humanity is to pull those little aluminum wires off hot. Otherwise, turn the power off lol.

[@landerselectric]

😂😂😂 Except that it sent me in a helicopter to the burn unit 2 years ago when I didn’t have the suit on. Think twice before you work hot on 120/240 without the proper PPE!

[@WeMe83]

If you would’ve followed guidelines it would have been off.

[@andydelle4509]

Great job, but I would have cut and re-stripped those hot wires. The old ends may have some oxidation and residue from the electrical tape. I also would have but temporary cardboard over that top neutral buss. It looks like the hot ends could easily hit that when bending them into the main breaker.

[@landerselectric]

Thanks! Great points! I’ll definitely implement these points if I have to do it again. Which I hope never to.

[@tcross7287]

Why did you pay out of pocket for a workplace accident? Workers comp should have paid for everything.

[@landerselectric]

I own Landers Electric. No workers comp for me. I do have insurance so I didn’t actually pay all that but that’s how much it was. Didn’t get paid for the month out of work though.

[@ag-om6nr]

There is absolutely no reason to work on live equipment ! When was the last time your PPE was properly tested ?

[@anthonys5153]

It’s resi bro, why in God’s name are you doing that hot?

[@samwilliams2006]

Another thing is to remind people not to buy that cheap knock off electrical tape it's good to use 3M or Scots the stretcher is the better

[@landerselectric]

That’s a great point! Definitely want to buy the best stuff in my opinion put rubber splicing tape on first and then Super 33 or 88 over the top of it

[@kalebpetersen1044]

It’s a sub panel, go upstairs and turn the breaker off 😂 At least it only took 3 of you.