Live from The 'In' Groove 8/7/22 - Q & A - Ask Anything but I'm guessing we are only talking MOFI

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The 'In' Groove

The 'In' Groove

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@Markymarkvinylnut
@Markymarkvinylnut 2 жыл бұрын
My heart goes out to you Mike, you've been a rock to many people throughout the pandemic and you've engaged new listeners (like me) to the wonderful world of audiophile jazz and others. Hugely grateful to you (and its (almost) cheaper than going to therapy! Lol) love from the UK. Cheers
@rodcornelius9474
@rodcornelius9474 2 жыл бұрын
Integrity has little to do with upbringing. Mike has it in spades. No snide or derogatory remarks required to boost his own ego or relevance. Mike E is the man I choose to watch from now on.
@cirenosnor5768
@cirenosnor5768 2 жыл бұрын
Rod Cornelius - You mean like the snide and know it all vibe from people like Fremer? 🤷🏽‍♂️
2 жыл бұрын
I love your easy conversation with all of us. Sharing your thoughts and convictions. Thank you Mike!
@chessnord7934
@chessnord7934 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your dedication. This was a long stream and it felt like I was there. I appreciate the sincerity with which you speak.
@Claudes416
@Claudes416 2 жыл бұрын
I thought then, and this just reinforced it, you went in with the best intentions. I don’t think that the brouhaha that followed was of your making and that you deserved all the negativity. I’m sorry that as a result, you had to have something very difficult from your past brought up that has nothing to do with this issue. I hope that this can put an end to this for you. Thank you for putting yourself out there and for all you do just on your day to day to make the VC and collecting fun. Take care of yourself!
@allthatjazz8934
@allthatjazz8934 2 жыл бұрын
Dude, you’re my favorite record channel on KZbin. Like the only one that doesn’t come off like a poser aside from this duo in Virginia. Reality. Real people. No bullshit.
@matts9064
@matts9064 2 жыл бұрын
Sad but true! Lots of posers who prefer to talk about themselves than the music. Mike E is the real deal.
@ericlubow4354
@ericlubow4354 2 жыл бұрын
Any guy who can spend 3 1/2 hours shooting the breeze with his customers can’t be all bad! Wow- what a session. Either Mike doesn’t want to go home or is just happy schmoozing. I vote for the latter. Good guy!
@ryeloafbread
@ryeloafbread 2 жыл бұрын
Nothing can make this fan base happy, take a step back Mike. You are doing well and no one is appreciative let them do the dirty work.
@OwlsRNotWhatTheySeem
@OwlsRNotWhatTheySeem 2 жыл бұрын
Found a NM DGG (tulips) Beethoven 9 Symphonies box in the cheap bin last time I was there. Absolutely outstanding. If you say you like music but you don't have a Beethoven cycle in one form or another, that's like saying you're a die hard Yankees fan but you don't like Joe Dimaggio. Anyway, great classical at the In Groove in the floor bins. Glad to see you doing well, Mike.
@garyfairbourn7285
@garyfairbourn7285 2 жыл бұрын
At the end of the day you are the one that figured the MOFI problem out, you took the time to call MOFI and then go visit with them. It’s as simple as that. All the other whiny people that didn’t like that a trained professional wasn’t sent to interview MOFI and ask the “tough” questions should just shut up! You were on a fact finding journey and I think you were as surprised as the rest of us that digital was used.
@matts9064
@matts9064 2 жыл бұрын
Mike doesn’t just talk and whine like some others… he does something about it. He’s not worried about losing free records.
@mikebernier3358
@mikebernier3358 2 жыл бұрын
Big Fan of what you do! Keep up the hard work Mike. Can’t wait to visit AZ again and see the new store.
@chaky1978
@chaky1978 2 жыл бұрын
Yo!! Mike, on the MoFi Issue , thanks man! …enough said… Sticky Fingers bought on your WhatNot auction..holy smokes ..had my doubts but wow!! I can see why you didn’t want to let it go ..I think I underpaid!!! So …thanks again man !
@peterd1364
@peterd1364 2 жыл бұрын
I haven't listened to much details about the MOFI debacle but get the gist of it. It's sad that deception has taken place when folks buy a top recording for decent money only to find out all is not as it should be....Mike is a sensible honest guy, and I respect everyone has an opinion nowadays. I don't own an MOFI title and probably won't but I really like this YT site and what Mike offers in valuable opinion and thoughts. He has led me to find so many different Jazz artists and albums that I would never have considered...keep up the good work and thank you Mike. (i'm based in the UK)
@EricMason0321
@EricMason0321 2 жыл бұрын
It's disappointing that MoFi wasn't honest all of these years but all of the MoFi releases I own (around 75 including 7 One-Steps) sound amazing regardless if they used DSD or not. I have many One-Steps preordered and will not be cancelling them and will continue to buy Mofi's standard releases. This revelation has not made the records sound bad.
@peskypesky
@peskypesky 2 жыл бұрын
I thought digital sounded bad. That's what all the audiophiles have been telling me for many, many years. Your MoFi albums must sound bad and you just don't have good enough ears to tell.
@EricMason0321
@EricMason0321 2 жыл бұрын
@@peskypesky Yup. That must be the case.
@nickvanr.8584
@nickvanr.8584 2 жыл бұрын
I bought two MoFiA albums and I didn't like them, payed a lot of money for nothing special and now I hear they are digital, I listened ones and never again.
@EricMason0321
@EricMason0321 2 жыл бұрын
@@nickvanr.8584 Could be the system you are playing them through as well. You aren’t really going to hear a big difference if you have a budget system. I don’t know what you have but I play mine through a Rega Planar 8 with a Apheta 3 MC cartridge, a Rega Aria phonostage, a Musical Fidelity M5si Integrated Amplifier and Paradigm Premier 800F speakers. I hear a difference between poor pressings and quality pressings on my setup and MoFi albums sound exceptional.
@gdownz1044
@gdownz1044 2 жыл бұрын
I agree with your wife's thoughts Michael. God Bless ya.. ✌️
@onsenkuma1979
@onsenkuma1979 2 жыл бұрын
To apply a line from the greatest of crime dramas 'The Wire' you don't wanna get stuck 'giving a f*** when it's not your turn to give a f***'. As a record retailer you have a legitimate interest in what MOFI has been up to, and you're to be commended for bringing the issue into the light. Once you did that though, there was no way to escape negative scrutiny. Never in my 67 years on the planet has it been so risky to buck the accepted narrative, on just about any issue.
@allthatjazz8934
@allthatjazz8934 2 жыл бұрын
You are THE GOAT!! Also, like, you’re kinda blowing up now in the news circuit. I saw a “How A Phoenix Record Store Owner Turned The Record World Upside Down” 💯
@kenblachly1602
@kenblachly1602 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for everything
@scottbennett3119
@scottbennett3119 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for putting out all sides of this story. What I am coming away with here is 4x DSD done the way MOFI does it is possibly the best way to achieve the highest sound quality possible. That's what MOFI is known for, and it's expensive to achieve this highest level of sound quality. However, they should be above board about their methods.
@bvanpelt8
@bvanpelt8 2 жыл бұрын
I bought Craft's Genesis of Genius, and it has 2 Ornette Coleman early albums. When I purchased them months ago, I could swear that they had language along the lines of "Mastered from the original master tapes." However, if you go back there now, they say this. • Lacquers cut directly from original analog tapes to lacquer I think this Mofi scandal has made Craft do this. BTW, those 2 records sound amazing, are super quiet, and still available on the Craft website. In case the free jazz thing scares you, I promise these two albums are really just hard bop albums.
@TheInGroove
@TheInGroove 2 жыл бұрын
I'm seeing wording start to change all over as well. A very good thing.
@michaelhubbell1260
@michaelhubbell1260 2 жыл бұрын
Trying to explain this situation to my wife and seeing her face made me realize how silly it all is lol
@ummagumma7826
@ummagumma7826 2 жыл бұрын
Pulls Duke by Genesis off the shelf and mumbles under his breath "I dont even know why I own this" lol 1:22:20 good stuff
@iosyntropy
@iosyntropy 9 ай бұрын
one of the only albums i looked up and said what the f is this crap
@rudestrudedog
@rudestrudedog 2 жыл бұрын
I remember 1989 Motley Crue Dr. FeelgoodCD having DDD SPARS info on the back. It was for sure marketing that today seems so wrong.
@byrondrake703
@byrondrake703 2 жыл бұрын
My thought, while making the 4X DSD file why not lug another machine and run an analog copy to make a limited AAA vinyl release also.
@deadandburied7626
@deadandburied7626 2 жыл бұрын
You can prefer vinyl as a medium, on its own, without the analogue master issue.
@audiophileman7047
@audiophileman7047 2 жыл бұрын
I may not always agree with you, Mike, but I never question your integrity and your care for your customers. You are a big credit to the vinyl community! 👍👍👍👍👍
@matts9064
@matts9064 2 жыл бұрын
@@simonemurray1345 🥱
@audiophileman7047
@audiophileman7047 2 жыл бұрын
@@simonemurray1345 Clearly, Mike is a businessman, but he was a vinyl records and music enthusiast before he became a record seller. I've been around many people who sell used items and collectible items. Mike isn't doing things any differently than any other businessman would do. Do you have something against capitalism? Do you think that he should sell his records at a loss, so people can feel like they're getting away with something? If you had that Led Zeppelin record that is worth $600, you would sell it for $100? I seriously doubt it. Mike broke the story on MoFi from speculation by other KZbinrs to getting MoFi to admit the use of DSD cutting and not analogue cutting. Fremer, Ludwig, and nobody else did that. Esposito did that. He deserves the credit for providing evidentiary proof and not just hearsay! I disagree with a number of things Mike has said about vinyl records in general, but he's as honest as a businessman can be and his customers are very happy with the records they are able to buy from him and the quality of them. Though we would like it to be, the world isn't going to be a perfect place. I could care less about what Fremer, Ludwig, and Esposito think of each other. Each of them has something to offer to the VC. A battle of egos is really just a waste of time. Time that could be used to listen to some great vinyl records.
@gytrplr
@gytrplr 2 жыл бұрын
The team at in grove has always been great when there has been a problem #1 customer service
@matts9064
@matts9064 2 жыл бұрын
Mike E is THE vinyl legend! Thanks for all you do for the VC!
@-elijahriggs-
@-elijahriggs- 2 жыл бұрын
I’ve learned so much from this guy. I’ve always loved vinyl, but I know so much about what to look for in a pressing now. Simultaneously saved me and cost me lots of money. Ps. Nobody I’ve bought from packages records as well an the in groove (with the exception of Acoustic Sounds). Ps. MOV does a great job. Their morphine is great. Blind melon is great. iRobot is great. Only issue I ever had was the white morphine “good”. I knew better than to buy white vinyl, but it’s morphine.
@lauher21
@lauher21 2 жыл бұрын
I love classical now. Who would of thought I went from hip hop and R&B to jazz and classic lol still love my R&B though lol
@jazzkatt7083
@jazzkatt7083 2 жыл бұрын
Amazingly, I had just sat down with White Castle from the microwave when you first mentioned it!!! 😅😅😁😎👍
@robertmitchell6015
@robertmitchell6015 2 жыл бұрын
Greetings from Australia Mike, is there any talk about Tracey Chapman Catalog being re issued?
@mpi5850
@mpi5850 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Mike and Michael Fremmer for what you do for the vinyl community. I am really enjoying Fremmer’s new channel The Tracking Angle. A must for all vinyl fans.
@theheepster
@theheepster 2 жыл бұрын
Are you allowed to have a different opinion about Michael Fremer?
@Mcapt04
@Mcapt04 2 жыл бұрын
You help to expose a company that was deceiving customers. It's a practice that they would have continued until someone else asked the hard questions. What you did was right. What Mofi did was wrong. As a lover of music I thank you very much. My father told me that being able to have people to trust you is a gift not afforded to everyone. Trust is earned and Mofi let those who trusted them down. Keep up with the videos, the new arrivals and all the good work you do. I look forward to my continued business with your company. Already got my Tone Poet Blue Train on pre-order with you! Cheers!!
@allthatjazz8934
@allthatjazz8934 2 жыл бұрын
Keep doing what you’re doing, homie. Be as authentic as possible, take pride in what you love, ignore the narcissistic bullshit.
@Michael19841
@Michael19841 7 ай бұрын
A simple ‘the in groove’ slogan on a t-shirt in a Seventies style would sell very well. A local artist may be able to design it then get some in store and online. Remember who suggested it if you make some money out of it 😂
@arnieburgertime
@arnieburgertime 2 жыл бұрын
You may be right that it costs MoFi more up front to travel and make the digital copy, but that is a one time event, and they can reuse the digital file for future releases. Compare that with a pure analog process which requires a costly master tape transfer every reissue. That is why MoFi pricing should be significantly less than Acoustic Sounds.
@youtubeisstoopid
@youtubeisstoopid Жыл бұрын
Let me say, Having money to buy the most expensive equipment, and every single audiophile recording released, does not an audiophile make. Having the innate ability to distinguish the qualities of sounds being heard is what makes a person a true audiophile. Learning the terms to go with what you already hear, makes a person an audiophile with the ability to communicate well with others about the quality of the sound and of the music.
@MrAlecrogers
@MrAlecrogers 2 жыл бұрын
Hi. Read the Washington Post article and it was very interesting. Glad to have learned more about vinyl, something I've gotten slowly interested in. Most of what I listen to on vinyl is stuff like Sinatra, Coltrane, Fitzgerald, etc. as well as classical (eyeing the High Fidelity Faust LP behind you). Looking forward to learning about what LPs are really most owning "as an LP" given that I can only store so much (I have sooooo many CDs). Which ones (LPs) really add value over listening to them streaming? Which are worth the $30+ price tag and storage space? Hope to learn the answers to those questions. Thanks!
@zackamania6534
@zackamania6534 2 жыл бұрын
You don’t need to be ashamed about your genesis collection. That’s one of my main groups. Yes the Phil Collins era
@davidbryanbartlett4071
@davidbryanbartlett4071 2 жыл бұрын
MY Orig. Chess pressing still sounds good I play it every few years
@weldonjenkins15
@weldonjenkins15 2 жыл бұрын
Some one steps, like Texas Flood is only DSD 64 which I hear is the same resolution as an sacd. can anyone tell me why some are just dsd64 and some are 256? Their new wordage on the one steps say they're all 256 which is still misleading!!
@MartinFGayford
@MartinFGayford Жыл бұрын
I wish I lived 5 and not 5000 miles from Pheonix. Great videos, thank you.
@jimdalto6254
@jimdalto6254 2 жыл бұрын
Fremer is an elitist hack. He demands respect amongst the vinyl community. You have earned it.
@-elijahriggs-
@-elijahriggs- 2 жыл бұрын
Never really liked that dude, but now I really don’t like that dude. I learn more in one live stream with Esposito than every video that fremer ever made. Fremer really made an ass out of himself.
@kevinpimentel6957
@kevinpimentel6957 2 жыл бұрын
Mike I need to know what's that green day box set to the left of your shoulder when filming
@madcrabber1113
@madcrabber1113 2 жыл бұрын
I wish this type of thing upset me because that would mean I haven't had much to deal with in life.
@davidbryanbartlett4071
@davidbryanbartlett4071 2 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately Here in North America Incl Canada our Musical Education as far as Classical is Sad- Rock for the most part is distorted & noisy / I Had a very Large Collection of Rock from the early 50 thru70s although had a handful thru 80-90 after that have never purchased a rock record until I sold my Collection early 2000s-Early retirement/Thanks Good Download or viceo What is it called?
@allthatjazz8934
@allthatjazz8934 2 жыл бұрын
Lmao Fremer looks like The Crypt Keeper 100% hahahahahaha.
@matts9064
@matts9064 2 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂😂😂😂
@garyherman3373
@garyherman3373 2 жыл бұрын
Mike, sorry to hear you're getting trolled for all of your efforts breaking the Mofi story. It's a shame social media can attract so many self important, narcissists. I see the same behavior on the watch forums. Anyway, John DeVore posted a video a few weeks back that's worth seeing...he, like you puts things into perspective for those of us who buy records because we like to listen to music not as speculative assets. I like my Mofi recordings just as well after your story than I did before. And, I don''t plan on cancelling my One Step orders. Keep up the great work!
@leonsam12
@leonsam12 2 жыл бұрын
I would have liked to ask if you listen to music in your vehicle and if you had an upgraded car audio system, or if that interested you??
@dillwill1813
@dillwill1813 2 жыл бұрын
This is such a Star Wars moment.
@shakinghell1318
@shakinghell1318 2 жыл бұрын
Can we get Chris Isayick in for an in-store appearance, at some point?
@bigsweetc6
@bigsweetc6 2 жыл бұрын
😂 nice reference!, it’s so bizarre a guy who runs a shop would have such a bizarre pronunciation huh?
@deeg8849
@deeg8849 2 жыл бұрын
What we’ve truly learned is that Espo loves White Castle, he doesn’t want to get sued by Clorox and he thinks that most Costco Employees don’t really care for their employer.
@TheInGroove
@TheInGroove 2 жыл бұрын
They were so good.
@deeg8849
@deeg8849 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheInGroove Sadly I’ve never had. Canada has no outlets and when in the states (vowed not to go like many Canadians as long as trump was in office and Covid since then) I usually like to eat at restaurants. But one day I will try. Kumar says so
@love2spinvinyl
@love2spinvinyl 2 жыл бұрын
Do you think this will affect the release of the Andrew jones Mofi Speakers in anyway?
@davidbryanbartlett4071
@davidbryanbartlett4071 2 жыл бұрын
Quality platers are hard to find / that is why alot of poor sounding records & cost goes up
@Born2gun77
@Born2gun77 2 жыл бұрын
soooo it a cd on wax???got it
@noelbarnes
@noelbarnes 2 жыл бұрын
Thriller should be priced down to $40 to save face.
@davidbryanbartlett4071
@davidbryanbartlett4071 2 жыл бұрын
Remeber * Winter * warm your records up to room Temp & clean before playing ** NEW RECORD **
@johnhenrey2499
@johnhenrey2499 2 жыл бұрын
Does that mean that the record sound as good as CDs
@drewweissmann1486
@drewweissmann1486 2 жыл бұрын
I actually prefer, This here is Bobby Timmons over Moanin. Bobby wrote moanin and put song on said album. I have an og mono.. Do you have this album?
@louissilvani1389
@louissilvani1389 2 жыл бұрын
I’ll take my chances with originals And Company second pressings
@drewweissmann1486
@drewweissmann1486 2 жыл бұрын
This here is Bobby Timmons is an original album by the man who wrote the song.
@drewweissmann1486
@drewweissmann1486 2 жыл бұрын
With that being said, I agree with you on og's and second pressings. Check that album out.
@TheInGroove
@TheInGroove 2 жыл бұрын
@@drewweissmann1486 I do have it. It's good but doesn't swing like the original.
@drewweissmann1486
@drewweissmann1486 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheInGroove hey Mike, I would love to see Al Di Meolas Elegant Gypsy get a reissue. I feel it's right up there with Abraxas, maybe better.
@jazzkatt7083
@jazzkatt7083 2 жыл бұрын
Volume 🔊. It's a bit low, Mike.
@rudestrudedog
@rudestrudedog 2 жыл бұрын
Esposito for President 2024. Fremer for dunce 20....infinity!
@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine
@MichaelNoland-TheBottomLine 2 жыл бұрын
Don’t pay attention to the men behinds the curtain, Michael! They are just flying monkeys for the real string-pullers!
@damianp564
@damianp564 2 жыл бұрын
Good chat but....White Castle? Ooof...Had it once. Went right through me. It barely qualifies as food.
@TheInGroove
@TheInGroove 2 жыл бұрын
It's so good!
@jabberdouche
@jabberdouche 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheInGroove it is soooo good!!
@MrsGoutfire
@MrsGoutfire 2 жыл бұрын
I have a hard time seeing how any lawsuit will be able to prove damages, even if they succeed on a fraud in the inducement claim. Especially on a class basis.
@kaylinfroehlich3293
@kaylinfroehlich3293 2 жыл бұрын
You're entirely right. The lawyer will get rich. Any parties to a class action lawsuit get a few dollars if they reply to the card in the mail.
@jasonzerafa8784
@jasonzerafa8784 2 жыл бұрын
Hey Mike, Where can I find your discogs store?
@davidbryanbartlett4071
@davidbryanbartlett4071 2 жыл бұрын
what makes me laugh, is someone with a $220.oo Turntable spending big bucks on vinyl
@Lastman737
@Lastman737 2 жыл бұрын
I love to see the old men seething. The same ones berating young women for having Crosleys and saying vinyls. lol cry more old man (no one in particular but a certain type of person)
@cirenosnor5768
@cirenosnor5768 2 жыл бұрын
L4stman - Well…I’m not a old man and it’s a fact that Crosly’s can damage records and there actually is no such word as “vinyls” - so what’s your point 🤷🏽‍♂️
@FotogInkArt
@FotogInkArt 2 жыл бұрын
exactly
@drewdayss
@drewdayss 2 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't be surprised if they're cut off from any future licenses. Major labels and people who own masters may use this as an opportunity to push MOFI out of the market.
@kguy2know
@kguy2know 2 жыл бұрын
SO because of the Mofi debacle I figure maybe its better to seek out orig or early pressings of albums, and decided to - for now- forget about getting the Miles Davis One Step of Bitche's Brew. Last week, I was able to get from my local record store a VG+++ bitche's brew- 1st reissue US pressing, this came out the same year as the orig (verified by discogs). i have a question about old reissues. When an lp was reissued the same year or the next was it usually from the same stamper or did they reissue it from the vinyl lp
@cirenosnor5768
@cirenosnor5768 2 жыл бұрын
kguy2know - I have friend who became “addicted” to MFSL pressings and says they blow away his original pressings. This was after he previously insisted on only owning originals 🤷🏽‍♂️
@johnholmes912
@johnholmes912 2 жыл бұрын
Mofi are charging 150 for something worth 25
@peskypesky
@peskypesky 2 жыл бұрын
and audiophiles couldn't tell the difference. 😂😂😂
@kley7043
@kley7043 2 жыл бұрын
"…I don't know why I even own this…?!"
@toddlee2571
@toddlee2571 2 жыл бұрын
If anything, this MFSL scandal has exposed the "analog purity" construct as myth, since no audiophile detected any difference
@ummagumma7826
@ummagumma7826 2 жыл бұрын
dude I told whoever on this board that this would actually increase the Thriller orders
@lauher21
@lauher21 2 жыл бұрын
They still have newspapers? Lol
@-elijahriggs-
@-elijahriggs- 2 жыл бұрын
Maybe a professional journalist should interview erc and ask the tough questions.
@nechadi
@nechadi 2 жыл бұрын
How ironic would it be if Mike inadvertently brought this situation to light...only for MOFI to end up going out of business and producing less product for his store to sell.
@davidbryanbartlett4071
@davidbryanbartlett4071 2 жыл бұрын
Whats with you Guys-Mobile just producing Music Period / If toy had a desent system to start with you would know Digital Tech. was their. Digital has been on Vinyl since Mid 70s wether you knew it or not did stop record sales. AAA is very expensive to do today & realy does not sound that much better to warrant price for the average customer.
@onyx666.
@onyx666. 2 жыл бұрын
You spend thousands of dollars on records, you’re a hifi guru, but you drink Tito’s 😂 hilarious
@miketomlin6040
@miketomlin6040 2 жыл бұрын
Law Suit? I bought poor to average pop records, Santana for example, that were not 'made' as advertised, or sort of advertised. I listened to it for years, sounded great, but apparently it should not have sounded as great. Interesting case! Hopefully the Judge has a sense of humour and throws it out of court.
@cirenosnor5768
@cirenosnor5768 2 жыл бұрын
mike tomlin - Should not have sounded as great? Nobody seems to be talking about this: despite people liking the DSD Lp’s, would we like the Lp’s MORE if DSD wasn’t involved Many are saying “See, it was digital, you didn’t know it and liked it” - to me that’s not the point. What should happen is this: press a record using DSD and then press the same record without it. THEN if we can hear a difference, heads should roll
@miketomlin6040
@miketomlin6040 2 жыл бұрын
@@cirenosnor5768 Plenty of people are talking about the fact it's hard to tell the difference, if not impossible, so ''who cares''! A few infamous Audiophiles believe they would pass this Turing test of sorts. Reminds me of wine tasting. If you have drunk a few bottles you might know a 1 Euro bottle can sometimes, even often, taste better than a 1000 Euro bottle. But if you are told which is which prior to the tasting you tend to assume the 1000 one is a finer glass of vino. I have little interest in Audiophile releases as most of the better Lp's appear to have avoided this more mainstream poptastic market/process.
@cirenosnor5768
@cirenosnor5768 2 жыл бұрын
mike tomlin - Should not have sounded as great? That misses the point that they misled people and didn’t tell us about the DSD process in records they know people assumed were 100% analog Nobody seems to be talking about this: despite people liking the DSD Lp’s, would we like the Lp’s MORE if DSD wasn’t involved Many are saying “See, it was digital, you didn’t know it and liked it” - to me that’s not the point. What should happen is this: press a record using DSD and then press the same record without it. THEN if we can hear a difference, heads should roll
@cirenosnor5768
@cirenosnor5768 2 жыл бұрын
mike tomlin - hard to tell the difference is different than there being *no* difference. The DSD process is sold to people under the pretense that there is *no* difference? Personally, I think the DSD records sound great. But just because they sound great doesn’t mean there probably isn’t a difference
@miketomlin6040
@miketomlin6040 2 жыл бұрын
@@cirenosnor5768 Yes, but another analogy is you take 3 paracetemols and your headache goes, hours later you discover you took the wrong tablets, or the dogs. Yet just as effective, or a placebo effect. Placebo effect is an interesting way of looking at the audiophile vinyl variations. The bottom line is a lot of people pay a lot of money for poor records, or music, and deserve little sympathy, yet a lot more ridicule. Hopefully MOFi will go bust as they have been churning this garbage out for decades.
@bigsweetc6
@bigsweetc6 2 жыл бұрын
What I don’t understand is if Mobile Fidelity was perfectly capable of doing all Analog quality LPs before 2012 why they felt compelled to switch. Despite what they say I have a hard time believing that money and finances don’t factor into their decisions. I have to believe that they chose the digital route because they could save a buck, do more titles and make more money.
@derosa1989
@derosa1989 2 жыл бұрын
The record labels stopped letting out the tapes.
@michaelhubbell1260
@michaelhubbell1260 2 жыл бұрын
Probably because the technology has advanced so much since before 2012 that they can get a better product than traditionally possible. It’s crazy how far we’ve come, so many respected vinyl enthusiasts were rating these records as the best sounding in their collection and had they sourced them differently, perhaps they wouldn’t have sounded as good. The main crime here is their lack of transparency especially because people spent so much money on these thinking that they were buying one of the last AAA copies before the tapes wore out and now it comes out that their precious investments could be replicated many times over
@bigsweetc6
@bigsweetc6 2 жыл бұрын
@@michaelhubbell1260 perhaps the greatest crime is that people based their opinion on an “authority’s “ opinion in the first place. I may be wrong but personally I’ve never bought into the idea that audiophile pressings are that great and truly feel there is a big time placebo affect going on. I’ve always been an original or very early press guy and swear by that method. Do audiophile records sound great on a great system! Yes they do because-spoiler-records are awesome and sound good. I think a nice clean first press of all those classic records MoFi releases probably sound kick ass too and spoiler alert-because the content and the music on the record was already damn good to begin with,,,I’m just rambling so I apologize if I cannot coherently express what I intended to.
@tonynewman1694
@tonynewman1694 2 жыл бұрын
To answer your question about would I like to see them go bust at Mobile Fidelity , yes that would be fine thank you . To say it's not cheaper to take a student to the studio , I disagree as with the one steps they would need permission to run that tape 40 to 60 times to do thriller. They will have to drop there numbers as demand will be a lot lower , maybe they should just do sacds . Goodbye mofi .
@gratefuldawgs2738
@gratefuldawgs2738 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Mike
@deeg8849
@deeg8849 2 жыл бұрын
Espo, I have one issue with how you are responding today There is an under tone by you that sounds like you are defending them (end result is still great, what does suing them gain, do we really want them to go out of business, mofi can’t say sorry cause if they do it can be used against them, peoples jobs at mofi are under threat, etc etc). I get it So here’s my issue. If mofi did this one off, that is one thing and I would agree with your point about everyone having some perspective. But their behaviour of knowing lying became a practice or a standard and they knowingly profited from it. Ultimately the consumer will decide whether to suppprt them or not and personally, I don’t care if they go out of business or not because of the lost demand. But you seem to be forgiving of their lie all to ensure that good sounding records come out. What kind of integrity is that? So if you are brushing it off, why did you go and do the interview with them in the first place if it doesn’t matter at all when you had heard the rumours? (Why take the role of public spokesman and then shrug it off) Knowing what you know now, would “you” do the interview again with Mofi? I have to wonder because if it doesn’t really matter after the fact (the lie is bad but good sounding records are more important) then why have any standards at all? 2:46:30. If there is no way to polish up this turd, why are you coming off as someone looking to move on from them giving us turds all along simply on the basis now that they sound great?
@deeg8849
@deeg8849 2 жыл бұрын
@@simonemurray1345 Thanks for the detailed overview. I’m not as up in things as you are, so I appreciate your perspective. Prior to this, my only bad view of Espo was how he criticized Fremer’s integrity because he gets free records as an audio/music journalist. I thought that was bush league particularly because he said this during a discussion on lacquers (two seperate things). Now it frustrates me on his defence of mofi lies on the basis of the records sounding good and protecting the good folks at Mofi’s jobs and there being no other way to make this turd shine bright. Personally I think we will see Espo stay within his record store owner lane going forward. Sell and comment on records all he wants, but it’s dangerous for him to play or speak beyond his specialty. Health and happiness Simone (dated a girl named Simone back in high school). All the best
@TheInGroove
@TheInGroove 2 жыл бұрын
@@deeg8849 Once more. I'm not defending them. You are just perceiving anything that is not negative as a defense. Don't count on me staying in my "owner lane"
@matts9064
@matts9064 2 жыл бұрын
Mike clearly isn’t defending them. He’s just being level and not a ranting lunatic like some other guys who want to click bait this thing forever. Mike is the one guy you can trust. Everyone else is self serving.
@matts9064
@matts9064 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheInGroove Mike, most people understand and appreciate you bringing this thing to a level beyond just talking about it. Let the haters hate… you are THE man!
@deeg8849
@deeg8849 2 жыл бұрын
@@matts9064 I like Espo but he’s doing his part to help himself as well. (Everyone is - it’s the American way to appear righteous while driving business). So let’s be honest. Mofi lied and that’s wrong. Mofi makes a solid product, so it will be up to consumers to determine whether or not to support them. Espo put himself in the middle of it all and he continues to make videos and do interviews, so he’s making a choice as well. There’s nothing wrong with that, but he can’t or his customers or fans think that he is above it all. I just keep wondering why mofi decided to do the interview with him the way they did it. It’s not by chance. Espo is one of Mofi’s biggest distributors and he has championed their product for years. I think that’s the driver here. I recognize that Espo doesn’t like what they have done and has said as much repeatedly. I just don’t like how he seems to be covering for them as well. (There’s no way for mofi to shine this turd so let’s just move on and not see this company and it’s employees get hurt. Feels slightly hollow
@epicbourne8684
@epicbourne8684 2 жыл бұрын
Hey Mike, if you gotta go. You have go.
@chrisloomis4921
@chrisloomis4921 2 жыл бұрын
Mofi could apologize and admit they were deceptive. I’ve not seen or heard that yet if it’s happened. Until they come clean, no business from me.
@lauher21
@lauher21 2 жыл бұрын
Lamborghini in phx no way lol
@BigBoss-kk8hq
@BigBoss-kk8hq 2 жыл бұрын
THANK YOU for settling it once and for all that audiophiles can't tell the difference between analog vs DIGITAL
@cirenosnor5768
@cirenosnor5768 2 жыл бұрын
Big Boss - This is the common ignorant comment made. For lack of a kinder word What happened is that audiophiles liked the DSD records. That doesn’t mean they can’t tell the difference. Was there a comparison to a all analog record pressed by the same label? No. What needs to happen is this: press a record with DSD and press the same record without it. THEN see if audiophiles can tell the difference
@AmazonasBiotop
@AmazonasBiotop 2 жыл бұрын
No we do not need to do that comparison. Here we have a company that give out year after year a top dollar albums. A high end release and NOBODY said it sounds digital or this is not analog. For all those years and releases.. nobody. Yes, somebody have said that they did not like X or Y release of some reason but not because they said that it was a digital source.. So I second that nobody can distinguish between digital and analog and the proof is in the pudding. And that pudding were served for many many years! It seams that it is only Fremer that pushing the digital FUD into VC. And that is in my opinion unnecessary and we have better things to push for getting better SQ than this topic. For example how to adjust your TT. I know Fremer has done a DVD and videos but those are not be all end all. When there is 2-3 different ways to just do one of the settings. But there is only one of those 2-3 ways that is more accurate than the others. When learning all the different ways you realize that some of the ways is suboptimal and therefore much of the info in the videos are correct but can be done in a more accurate fashion. Pushing the setup will probably and most likely result in better SQ than if it is analog or digital. When anybody with some money can buy any TT. But just because they have money don't mean they have any clue on setup less that there is more and better ways to go about it. So education and time is the key to get as much SQ out of the format. It is not just like buying a CD player and put the CD in the tray and call it the day.
@johnnydova7152
@johnnydova7152 2 жыл бұрын
I don't own any MoFi! Prefer OG!
@josew.9841
@josew.9841 2 жыл бұрын
Way too many ads dude. One or two here and there I can understand, but every other minute? WTF man.
@travismanuel3334
@travismanuel3334 2 жыл бұрын
Mike, I think something is amiss with all this discussion I think our true go over there be a digital source or the banana long source what is closest to watch the original artist wanted I think that’s our whole goal is an audio file is here what the artist intended to be because that’s the real art not what source we got a copy from I think this argument is ridiculous because of the fact of their such amazing titles like the Abraxas copy of mobile fidelity, and I’m a huge mobile, Fedele fan and have been for years and I’m still buying mobile Fidelity. This is ridiculous argument, ridiculous argument
@panaceiasuberes6464
@panaceiasuberes6464 2 жыл бұрын
"Michael Fremer, the dean of audiophile writing, was less measured. He slammed Esposito for irresponsibly spreading rumors and said his own unnamed source told him the record store owner was wrong. “Will speculative click bait KZbin videos claiming otherwise be taken down after reading this?” he tweeted." Finally Fremer's last sliver of credibility has slipped and the whole analogue community can see him for what he is: a freeloader getting all these freebies to write whatever marketing honchos tell him to write. I knew this since he assured everyone that he could hear difference between on the sound of a 10k cable vs a 25k cable 15 years ago but glad that the world finally catch up.
@ernesttricarico6402
@ernesttricarico6402 2 жыл бұрын
My kodos go out to you Mike. Having your life being put out there is so unfortunate. But if we can gain anything from DSDGATE is regardless of the original source MoFi has given the consumer their monies worth.
@user-zx1ir7jt4c
@user-zx1ir7jt4c 11 ай бұрын
I hate to say it but I think they are still lying... unless I'm mistaken. I just ran across some titles that they are CURRENTLY claiming to be AAA on their website that are not AAA. One of them is Foreigner's Head Games. What they are currently selling is DSD derived.
@MsKalachakra
@MsKalachakra 2 жыл бұрын
This is the longest video someone has done about MoFi in the vinyl community. This is a collective trauma for the VC elite I guess. Common records collectors looking at a distance and maybe enjoying it. If all these bring prices down would be a great thing. Especulation and snobism are not good for anyone.
@rorysuire6177
@rorysuire6177 2 жыл бұрын
Washington Post....Enough said 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️
@bobbyjfromtheuk1
@bobbyjfromtheuk1 2 жыл бұрын
Nobody forced you to sell these records, and nobody was forced to buy these records at gun point- time to move on. First world problems, jesus... Enough already
@michaellourie4252
@michaellourie4252 2 жыл бұрын
Perhaps Angel was right. Why rehash all the bs. We all know what happened, so why not just let it be? Yes, MFSL fucked up, but in the end should not the sound of the lps be what we are most concerned about? PS>> I think the analogy to Mr. Oppenheimer was inappropriate. I can understand how you came up with that, but it really wasn't appropriate. PPS>> I have always loved(and still do) your passion for music and for what is the best sounding versions of recordings, as well as the care you have for your massive customer base, many of whom (including myself) really appreciate what you do for us.
@johncalvo8420
@johncalvo8420 2 жыл бұрын
The digital Jimmy Page Led Zeppelin catalog is quite good and say the contrary now…
@michaellourie4252
@michaellourie4252 2 жыл бұрын
No NO no !!! The digital Led Zep lps I have heard are terrible!! I have much better sounding versions!! However, the companion discs are really really cool.
@SPAZZOID100
@SPAZZOID100 2 жыл бұрын
@@michaellourie4252 ???
@johncalvo8420
@johncalvo8420 2 жыл бұрын
@@michaellourie4252 ohh yeah? I recently sold the Classic Records Zep I for $300 and kept the digital, they sound very similar. Zeppelin II, the digital one is WAY better than most 70’s reissues, enough said…
@michaellourie4252
@michaellourie4252 2 жыл бұрын
@@johncalvo8420 Congrats for your three hundred bucks. I have one too as well as a killer sounding copy with the lacquer cut by George Piros. We are all entitled to our own opinion. My ears told me what my preference is. As for Led Zeppelin II, the RL (Robert Ludwig) cut lp is the hottest most badass version of this wonderful music. My Classic Records is the backup. I bet your ears prefer the Steven Wilson Jethro Tull Aqualung as well? My ears tell me the story. I don't give a hoot how it was done, only how it sounds. Take Care, Be Well.
@johncalvo8420
@johncalvo8420 2 жыл бұрын
@@michaellourie4252 I only hope Analogue Productions puts out the LZ catalog again, I’m sure they will.. cheers
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