LIVE: Karen Read Day 34 - Closing Arguments with Vinnie Politan

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00:00:00 LIVE: Closing Arguments with Vinnie Politan 00:00:25 Killer or Cover-Up Murder Trial 00:09:18 Matt Johnson Debrief 00:53:23 Alec Baldwin Trial Update 01:00:28 Killer or Cover-Up Murder Trial 01:55:42 Missing Child: Kambria Higgins #CourtTV What do YOU think? ⚖👇 Watch Closing Arguments with VinniePolitan, Weeknights 8p/7c ONLY on Court TV. MORE HERE: www.courttv.com/trials/closing-arguments-with-vinnie-politan/?

[@Lendingyourlight]

@@climb_high_Feds are going after Brian Higgins. That’s why he’s on desk duty and hired a lawyer. Destroying his cell and sim

[@Luvlacek3]

@@Lendingyourlight🤣🤣omg the Feds are not going after him. So much gossip going around. Those are not facts & IF they were you or anyone else wouldn’t be privy to that information💯

[@Lendingyourlight]

@@Luvlacek3 😂😂😂 You’re wrong

[@Lendingyourlight]

@@Luvlacek3Have you watched the trial from the start? Brian Higgins was demoted to desk duty pending investigation. Get your facts straight newbie! Your account is probably fake and part of the problem

[@Lendingyourlight]

@@Luvlacek3Also you don’t know who I am, who I know or how I could or would be privy to this! Absolutely there is still a pending FBI investigation. The engineers were hired by the FBI and our Atty General has also been involved with this investigation. You have no clue so stop spreading misinformation.

[@Forthis123]

RIP Officer O'Keefe 💔 🙏

[@TJ-qh7kf]

I hope his loved ones get justice💔😭🙏

[@aussieruth-kl1ut]

I agree that this is all about the victim. But we cannot convict a person on spurious evidence. There is reasonable doubt here.

[@toasttoasted3492]

​@@TJ-qh7kfhope so to, but look outside the box , cause there is definitely something not right.

[@markbaz]

1:22:15 Kevin, another golden statement. If Karen hit John, there would be NO Reason for the bitt dials, the disposing of the phones and no lies between these people. EXACTLY!!!

[@charleslaurice]

And nobody has ever decided where the majority of Johns blood vanished to

[@stevenprice6957]

So Karen’s butt dials mean nothing yeah ? The one when she’s at home you hear her walking. She accidentally Dialled. There’s 2 more with nothing. John himself sent blank texts the day before so what does that mean. Butt dials are not evidence. Karen is a killer. What happens with that, ? Who knows.

[@GPDogDrool]

Since there are no reasons then why are there? 😂

[@stevenprice6957]

@@charleslauriceHe was at ground level. You know dirt lol. A heap was on him with vomit but whatever came out of his body besides that would deep through ground like water. You know liquid 🙄

[@md8465]

@@charleslaurice The basement

[@PsychNurseExplains]

No one forced her to Scream “I HIT HIM!”💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙

[@lovemysmoothie9632]

and she never did scream "I hit him"

[@claudiafranco4888]

@@lovemysmoothie9632 Even if that was true WHY would an “innocent” woman just randomly wake up screaming “DID I HIT HIM?”. And why would she pronounced him dead by a snowplow hit 1 hour BEFORE he was even found? WHY she would start calling him less then 30min after leaving him, to ask “where are you John?”, as if she didn’t knew where he was! How ridiculous that people cannot stop to analyze this woman behavior and just follow the outrageous false narrative of the defense!

[@PsychNurseExplains]

@@lovemysmoothie9632 play the EMT testimony and listen to the voices in background

[@PsychNurseExplains]

@@lovemysmoothie9632 good example of concrete thinking vs critical thinking

[@enpasant12]

Correction: Did I hit him??? That makes a lot of sense due to the crazy scene that she was seeing…

[@swedish570]

Guilty.

[@RoseGrace100]

No evidence.

[@swedish570]

@@RoseGrace100 Right, no cell phone evidence he went into the house. Justice for John OKeefe!

[@KellyMorris-x6k]

Not guilty stay strong jury

[@shantoreywilkins651]

✅

[@stevenprice6957]

Guilty. Do the right thing for John.

[@Amber2024.]

This case in particular to others that I’ve watched has the most reasonable doubt throughout the whole trial. The prosecution lacked a lot, not sure how someone is stuck on guilty. I’d understand but man the holes and the fact defense had better experts to back up Karen didn’t hit him.

[@michellel2773]

Those aren't anti KR people. They're anti TB.

[@EC-dz3fb]

No. They're people who believe that FKR doesn't need to harass brokenhearted parents in order to support KR. And apart from that, to 𝗱𝗼 as such is just about the lowest thing anyone could do to a bereaved parent. Like they're not in enough pain?

[@sugarh2o732]

Wrong! You can see clearly Karen is guilty and dislike TBs abuse towards people at the same time.

[@mamadukez55]

Sericuty volunteers omg give me a break

[@trishbender7940]

👿 don’t drink and drive!!

[@dmariej]

Yeah, all the police and ATF admitted they were drinking and driving, I agree - don’t drink and drive. It’s terrible.

[@ji5gz5fu3g]

@@dmariejThey are not charged with criminal offences 😂

[@dmariej]

@@ji5gz5fu3g yeah, I guess drink driving is ok as long as you don’t get caught.

[@ji5gz5fu3g]

@@dmariej It’s not ok for anyone if it’s over the legal limit obviously! Just like coming on to someone’s mate and chasing them non-stop whilst you are seeing that person and staying at their house - trailer trash and embarrassing!

[@claudiafranco4888]

@@dmariej But according to her father she was ALSO taking medication thad did not agreed with alcohol too. That’s really inadmissible and irresponsible! 🤓

[@lisamcfarland8518]

She said she did it, police unprofessionalism should not allow a person to have a pass on murder. Karen said she did not see him go inside the house. First interview at her dad’s house.

[@enpasant12]

One person said she said “I hit him, I hit him” twice. Then another person said she said I hit him 3 times. On closing arguments for the CW, Lally said it 4 times… and I head the recorded 911 call from the recovered voicemail messages on JO phone because KR was calling him when they found him and she threw her phone… and on her frenetic yelling and caos I don’t even heard once of her saying that… one of the paramedics said she did not said that… I don’t understand how people do not use their CS

[@sarasmilesco8551]

@@enpasant12so what you’re saying is multiple people heard her say she did it. Guilty!

[@babs3652]

I believe that she didn't see him walk to the house. By that time she had flipped him over with her heavy SUV 🤨

[@LadyLuck13]

None of these people stated she said it at the time. They only changed their story after a grand jury and the McAlberts being put under suspicion. The EMT who said he heard it was debunked because video clearly shows he didn't speak with Karen. Plus he said John was wearing a puffy jacket which was also untrue so he can't be trusted. The female EMT denied knowing the family yet turns out she's been on numerous holidays with the Albert's daughter. You trust these people to be telling the truth? Jen McCabe couldn't keep her story straight which is why she continually asked to see her statements from grand jury for fear of being impeached. But yeah they're all trustworthy right?

[@LadyLuck13]

Were you there at her dads house? Did the officers have bodycam? You don't know what was said then except what Prictor and Buttache have said

[@oiooi6460]

Those people out there with their pink clothes and pom poms are disgusting and disrespectful. As is she. Acting like she is Miss America. She 100 percent did it. I would speculate that the idea of the horrific abuse those innocent witnesses have had to endure at Read and Turtleboy's hands is what is preventing a a unanimous verdict.

[@kimmy722]

So basically the state wants the jurors to fight it out.

[@BoxerClover]

it's called an Allen Charge & it happens ALL THE TIME. it's not Judge Cannone or the CW rigging anything.

[@sarahabdelbaki5166]

We need Kevin in that jury room !!!

[@combatgremlin2188]

I told you, hung jury. They are never going to agree on this. I know if I was one of them, I would ruin everything, because you can not convict her on this lack of evidence.

[@markbaz]

You know what not one person said, that I heard any witness say, that Karen was a vial, heartless, mean, nasty, vindictive, cold person. That she is the type of person who would kill a boyfriend if she got mad enough. Not one witness said anything of the sorts. Am I right or wrong!

[@reasonable342]

Are you aware that you need to look at all the evidence and discern which is credible? There doesn’t have to be such a witness making such a statement.

[@KaitlynJaney]

That is correct no witness said anything of the sort! People are saying anything they feel as fact, I’m also not sure how you can prove she is that person when all of the testimony actually was showing Karen in a great light until the voicemails and texts, I thought the texts were normal (not healthy).

[@Bailey-jp9cz]

You know what else I heard? 2 experts hired by the Feds say her car never hit John and John wasn’t hit by the car!

[@MsMarple]

People’s opinions of her character are just that. You are correct that no one testified to that. But, it was HER OWN POTTY MOUTH with rash, overly emotional speech that did it.

[@Aleese625]

He was crying this week and her parents were comforting her when they were in a parking lot

[@PsychNurseExplains]

Nick could write space Tales

[@sarahlynch7570]

@ redcharm6173 " I hit him, I hit him, I hit him" is that what you're talking about !!!

[@TalLeGal]

God, I bet she wishes she’d never gone on that first date😒

[@herertolearn3418]

Pretty sure it was John who regretted that first date.

[@Lendingyourlight]

@@herertolearn3418I doubt it! He had a built in babysitter for his niece and nephew.

[@herertolearn3418]

@@Lendingyourlight how and why was he murdered?

[@sarasmilesco8551]

@@Lendingyourlighthe could have found another babysitter if she would have left when he asked her to. He paid with this life.

[@jonoharper4729]

There's obviously a turtle or two on the jury. Guilty 💯%

[@TalLeGal]

And the foreperson is A COP Appointed as Foreperson by JUDGE BEV!!!

[@KaitlynJaney]

Do you mean someone who is truly looking at the facts which directly prove Karen couldn’t have done this? What evidence proves to you she is so guilty? What evidence shows you exactly when and how Karen did this? There isn’t anything that proves Karen hit John especially not beyond a reasonable doubt.

[@Piat65]

Where do the good looking people in this town hang out?I was considering moving in that direction but the selection is looking rough 🤔🤦‍♀️

[@vanessao7323]

Guilty as.

[@toasttoasted3492]

There is no way , to much reasonable doubt imo. Why not goto the house?

[@Luvlacek3]

The not guilty phase is gone. She’s going to be found guilty of something & she should be!

[@toasttoasted3492]

@@Luvlacek3 explain please ?

[@frankmessina6132]

O'Keefe's family, the victim's family seem to think she's guilty. I agree with and support the family

[@KaitlynJaney]

Why? Did you also know the mother is extremely close to Jen McCabe since the day John passed? Does that make you think any different? Jen also has been looking after the kids a lot because their children are friends.

[@reasonable342]

Absolutely agree.

[@reasonable342]

@@KaitlynJaneyWhat’s your point. This is the kind of BS that people weigh into their decision. If it’s true, who cares? Why would that matter? I assume you’re implying something inappropriate going on. It just makes you sound unintelligent.

[@sarasmilesco8551]

@@reasonable342👏👏👏 I’m sure the family would have stayed close with Karen but she went and packed her stuff and left just hours after John’s passing. She didn’t stay to mourn and grieve or comfort the kids or help with funeral arrangements or even demand answers for his death. Jen did and still does support and love the family. That should tell you something.

[@KaitlynJaney]

@@reasonable342 No it is fact. It doesn’t mean anything in regard to the facts of this case. I am implying that Jen hates Karen and clearly lied about Karen that night and no doubt lied to John’s mother. I am asking if this would impact whether this person believes Karen is guilty since like you said it should not be used to determine guilt.

[@pinklady5795]

The problem with Nick is that he is too focused on people who aren't on trial! You gotta start with the defendant's actions and statements first before you start accusing others! The Turtletoddler tribe just screams that she didn't do it, then proceeds to accuse others!

[@MarkG-h2y]

@Vinnie Politan My understanding is that in Massachusetts, the Judge can only send the jury back to deliberate once more. If the jury comes back deadlocked again she can only ASK them to go back again and they have a right to refuse this request.

[@lordzeroilp4582]

That applies if she found they did a thorough job and she didn't. So that doesn't happen yet.

[@daniellevesio]

Judge Bev has a history of sending juries back 3x

[@Erin.Kendall]

Yes

[@laurac2424]

That’s only after she reads them the Allen charge, which she elected not to do Friday…

[@willisapril]

I guessing there will be a mistrial

[@rickyfissel9970]

There is wrong OR right lady

[@adamyounger9708]

JUDGE IS AN ACCOMPLICE !,...................

[@BoxerClover]

i think u need to look up what "accomplice" actually means.

[@adamyounger9708]

@@BoxerClover I,D SAY YOU DONT UNDERSTAND THIS JUDGES NUANCES AND INTENT TO OBSTRUCT THE TRUTH.

[@markbaz]

At what point does a jury say whatever to just get the heck out of that room and go home? How reliable is an outcome that’s “forced”?

[@Maria-em3ju]

I did hear her say that

[@marrietvisser6195]

Why would Karen need to settle? The car did not run him down?

[@mac7659]

Nicks bias Disneyland

[@audreydaleski1067]

Homocide?

[@lulubells930]

Good bye.

[@Heather-jb8nt]

I honestly think noone killed him. He stumbled around in the snow ,the dog freaked out and knocked him down and he was drunk and didnt wake up. The question is did anyone know he was laying there?

[@BoxerClover]

wouldn't explain his injuries.

[@flynneart1111]

Crooked planted juror

[@RichGagliardi]

No way of knowing that. Stop & have faith. ✌

[@Renee-fl3ww]

Your guy outside court house is bias this am.. he is making excuses for a poor prosecution and blame jurors this am.. stated she is guilty.. he can have an opinion but many disagree with him.

[@combatgremlin2188]

She may very well be the killer though, because I am not really buying into this conspiracy theory. Even though these buttdials and other things are really strange in this case. I just simply don’t know. Neither I think.

[@leonorabecker5876]

Read where were u last night?

[@trishbender7940]

🇺🇸👮‍♂️RIP Officer..🕊

[@JulieCarroll-bo7jx]

JUSTICE ⚖️ FOR JOHN OKEEFE AND HIS FAMILY 😢😢😢😢

[@summerbright2769]

I wish O’keef s Family well However the family are cosing up with the family who killed their loved one Shame

[@md8465]

@@summerbright2769 True! I could not believe my eyes.

[@JulieCarroll-bo7jx]

@summerbright2769 no they've friends

[@EC-dz3fb]

​@@summerbright2769That's not what they believe, and they 𝗵𝗮𝘃𝗲 𝗮 𝗿𝗶𝗴𝗵𝘁 𝘁𝗼 𝗻𝗼𝘁 𝗯𝗲𝗹𝗶𝗲𝘃𝗲 𝗶𝘁. He's 𝘁𝗵𝗲𝗶𝗿 𝘀𝗼𝗻, and no one else's. Leave them free of your judgement ... haven't they had things hard enough? You can support KR 𝗮𝗻𝗱 be fair to the O'Keefes.

[@josephinedimercurio5012]

@@summerbright2769 no darling Karen killed their son . I hit I’m I Hit him

[@Jojo-oh9hr]

No one is above the law!!! Our justice system needs to be better than this and hope the jury finds her not guilty!!!

[@shazzaSheehan1965]

Exactly, nobody is above the law INCLUDING KR.

[@Jojo-oh9hr]

@@shazzaSheehan1965 right but she’s innocent!! Why convict an innocent women. What if that was you!?

[@BoxerClover]

⁠@@Jojo-oh9hr @shazzaSheehan1965 i'm guessing, wouldn't flee the scene after mowing someone down.

[@Aliyah.and.friends]

It's crazy how the Karen Read supporters are outside talking about the evidence of the case, meanwhile, the anti-Karen Read people Are yelling about online harassment 😂 That has nothing to do with Karen.I'm so sorry to break it to you... I heard them yelling turtle boy and online harassment 😂 That's because they have nothing else to argue!! 🥴

[@stevenprice6957]

What are you talking about? Saying someone’s dead an hour before he is found ? 5:01 saying he got hit by a plough ? Dees a body with her X-ray vision under snow and identified John ?? Think about that. Admits it numerous times. Tail light pieces on John. John’s DNA is on the inside of the tailight. Now how’s that possible in a brand new car. ? Logic says she’s definitely guilty. They’d evidence.

[@oiooi6460]

You don't believe she and Turtleboy are orchestrating harassment ? Ask the McCabes. The Alberts. And now Mr O'Keefe's parents who are being viciously hounded because they believe all the other witnesses. It is despicable.

[@GenZMother]

Exactly! That’s how gaslighting works. It’s just a group of gaslighters hiding the truth.

[@stevenprice6957]

The evidence shows Karen caused the death of John. You left him to die slowly.

[@md8465]

@@stevenprice6957 😂

[@deniece0821]

What makes me sick is how SOME (not all) people treat this as if it's a damn sporting event. 🙄

[@herertolearn3418]

Ok well look at the defendant engaging the circus outside the courthouse.

[@petrawillemse3783]

Not true, people take a sport event more serious than a human life. 12 random people, with no clue of the law or what common sense/reasonable doubt is. People can be bought/intimidated/don't like your face and they have to decide if you're going to prison for the rest of your life. You're here commenting, WHY?

[@josephinedimercurio5012]

@@herertolearn3418she think she’s a famous superstar now 🙄i don’t think she will be that famous in jail

[@herertolearn3418]

@@josephinedimercurio5012 I agree. Her behavior is ridiculous.

[@robynnoel8084]

Retrial means no more botox 😬

[@halvorsa]

NOT GUILTY! I hope this jury doesn't get strong armed by this judge to make a wrongful determination .

[@priyanidissanayake2224]

Injuries depend on the posits of the victim and the car the speed the weight of the car and the impact which can cause the victim to be forced to move and land anywhere depending on the territory. I know this being a medical examiner in another part of the world. Therefore when so called examiners giving evidence makes me laugh. The CW examiner was actually right according to principles of medicine

[@dineencasilli9743]

No, not a HUNG! There is way too much evidence that supports reasonable doubt. Dear God, may justice prevail in the state of Massachusetts...

[@herertolearn3418]

Yes lots of doubt yet the defense didn’t convince the jury.

[@petrawillemse3783]

That's why a jury deciding over your life is so ridiculous. Common sense is hard to find these days. Watching Trump supporters, how can you think it goes well with that kind of people. I'm afraid for the woman.

[@mandy2117]

i think 1 hold out apt one jury member women red face as if she had been crying when they returned on fri

[@zm987]

Amen

[@Little-miss]

And they dont have to either. But it seems unfortunately that's what it's come to ​@herertolearn3418

[@melishastith1898]

At 1:49 in this broadcast.. I don’t know why any juror wouldn’t be scared of backlash if they voted guilty. This is outlandish these people can stand in front of the courthouse where they walk in and behave this way.

[@Lauraldixon0514]

Find it rather odd the defendant does not fully look at jurors; especially when they are the ones deciding faith in this case, something seems " weird ". Guilty as charged get Justice for John O'Keefe, not officer John O'Keefe the person John O'Keefe.

[@shaylynned8786]

How does anyone think she hit him I will never understand..how..if she hit him at the force they say she did, he would be laying there, right there, he would be walking nowhere when all the people were pulling up picking up people and coming out of the house, he would be the first thing they would see..how would she hit him in the head, and no other bruises, no broken bones,multiple fractures in his skull..he is 6-1 216 lbs..he wouldnt even touch that taillight, the bumper would hit him first anyway..at this speed hitting him there would be damage to the car itself.

[@stevenprice6957]

He’s virtually bordered both properties. He isn’t near the driveway. Other side of the front lawn. Not one car that drove past saw him either. Neighbour? No. Plough guy ? No. He even went at 5;30 and saw nothing. He went around Karen I think. That’s even she viewed her dirty work. The only person that saw him was Karen and that’s under snow. He even identified him when you found see anything. That’s incredible Karen. She said he was dead an hour before and then said he was hit by a plough. Then says I hit him. Ummm guilty.

[@GPDogDrool]

Don't know the difference between a Ford Edge and a Lexus? Brilliantly informed opinion.

[@sarasmilesco8551]

She did hit him and there is damage to her car

[@holdontight1981]

Nick Rocco is relying on his imaginations, not facts and evidence.

[@BoxerClover]

seriously. & he'd be the 1st one to scream, "facts don't care about feelings!!!"

[@marrietvisser6195]

Why can't people just look at the evidence and the lies. It is not difficult.

[@stevenprice6957]

Yes Karen’s lies and then the defence lies and fairy stories. All evidence and roads lead to Karen and only Karen. No brainer.

[@GPDogDrool]

It really isn't. Even if there are some things you don't believe or question there is NO way there isn't at least 1 of a 1000 things that gives reasonable doubt!

[@stevenprice6957]

yes. Firstly the lies from Karen herself and changed stories so they all can’t be true. The evidence is overwhelming against her.

[@Elsley12]

Trickery by defence team on the way questions were worded to experts. John, I HATE YOU! Did I hit Him? Dad, I think I hit something. It’s not difficult to know psycho KR rammed her vehicle into John and killed him. Guilty! 100%

[@sarasmilesco8551]

I think they are afraid they will be harassed, intimidated and threatened just like the family and witnesses.

[@holly_kay5570]

It always troubles me when I see mobs of people blindly supporting a cause. Some may not be blind, but some are simply following. Very often, they have no idea of the truth, nor do they care. And it's the worst kind of group-think in a court case. Remember Amber Heard? People can and will see things differently and that's a good thing. I know a lot of people think that the snow plow driver was a good witness. I know some snow plow drivers and I myself drive when it's snowing. It's very difficult to see past your own windshield and you intensely focus on the road and the tracks in front of you. NEVER does one look very far off of the road when they're driving in a blizzard. NEVER. I believe the snow plow driver was afraid to say that he didn't see the area where the body may have been because he was focused on doing his job--staying on the road and plowing snow. Besides that, it would have been covered with snow by then...it's nearly impossible to see a hump in the snow even if you're looking. Fortunately the Jury has been mostly kept from the push of various groups, and hopefully they will make a just decision.

[@Luvlacek3]

Yes & half of these people don’t even know her. They hate their police dept. which is fine but it doesn’t mean a murderer walks free.

[@BoxerClover]

@@Luvlacek3 YUP. 2 things actually CAN be true at once: LE's dirty & KR's guilty.

[@md8465]

@@BoxerClover 🤦‍♀

[@suzerick75116]

People are tired of the crap going on in corrupt communities, the injustice. They are fighting back….

[@pass5289]

So many angry, vicious groupies with no life.

[@moshpitmilacorn477]

The McCabes and the Alberts? Yea

[@herertolearn3418]

😂

[@CountessKitten]

Umm, what?

[@deboraheaton2726]

Almost cultish

[@petrawillemse3783]

That's why we all are here. We have no life. That angry and vicious that's how America is.

[@dropdeadDeb]

How could it have been her? What he stood there and let her run him over? He is a Police officer he would know his surroundings and a car reversing towards him. Iam pretty sure most people would move out of the way of the incoming car. He was beaten and put outside. Its all about jealousy and men cant handle their alcohol. In my opinion. 😅

[@gradyrogers6707]

exactly

[@stevenprice6957]

I think he saw her in the last split 2nd. Arm up with drink in hand so elbow broke the light and it clipped him back and towards the house or on that angle. His head hit the ground which was rock hard. He vomits and then falls into unconscious. He doesn’t move seconds after Karen’s crazy reverse.

[@Cameron_F]

​@@stevenprice6957 elbow broke the light with no bruising or fractures?

[@GenZMother]

@@stevenprice6957Road safety is second nature to a cop. You’ll never convince me he was ended by a car going in reverse that slow.

[@stevenprice6957]

@@GenZMotherslow ? That didn’t kill him. In her words it incapacitated him. He then vomited on himself and froze to death. Karen is truly a killer whatever the verdict

[@podgeogreaghan1956]

Excuse you mr grundy, Dr Russell didn't "just walk in off the street" she was referred to defence by ADA Lewin 37:20

[@smiller6760]

She read a news article online, contacted AJ friend in the DA office. So yes, she basically walked in of the street. The defense did not seek out her opinion.

[@NYC2023-du8mg]

It was *not* Karen Read that killed John; regardless if you like her or not.

[@MarkG-h2y]

I actually like her but I think she accidentally ran into him and did not even realize it.

[@NYC2023-du8mg]

@@MarkG-h2y The expert witnesses proved he was not hit by a car. John was beat up and attacked by a dog.

[@michellesayers5346]

​@@MarkG-h2y😂 cars don't bite

[@Emmm777]

She hit him.

[@Little-miss]

​@@NYC2023-du8mgyeah even the ME said that .

[@maryannec55]

I would guess most of the jury wants 'not guilty' but 1 or 2 want guilty verdict.

[@redcharm6173]

Wonder if they are friends of the Alberts?

[@Tess-163]

Or the hold out is over the 2nd degree verdict

[@redcharm6173]

@@Tess-163 You would have to proved she hit him first, judge really needs to read the Allen charge to the jury.

[@Tess-163]

@@redcharm6173 it’s been proved

[@Lendingyourlight]

@@Tess-163you obviously never watched the trial. Two engineers hired by the FBI, PROVIDED FACTS NOT CONJECTURE! JOHN WAS NOT HIT BY A VEHICLE! GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT!

[@A-ue6qw67]

This is the most ridiculous trial!!! Not guilty verdict couldn’t be more clear !!!!!

[@willisapril]

Massachusetts is a liberal state which is why. They all probably think Biden is competent and won the debate.

[@MarkG-h2y]

Clearly false since the jury is currently deadlocked.

[@herertolearn3418]

Exactly! Neither side proved their case.

[@trishbender7940]

Karen don’t drink and drive!!

[@Little-miss]

​@@herertolearn3418only one side has to prove there side. If neither has that's doubt , which means not guilty.

[@melishastith1898]

She has been absolutely hands on with her defense team 😂😂 her and Jackson made quite a spectacle drinking and celebrating being all over eachother. This is a disgrace.

[@Erin.Kendall]

Omg that was soooo fake. Such a bad job by whoever did that.

[@jewels07]

@@Erin.Kendall omg some people STILL believe in fake pics 🤦‍♀️. No way AJ and Karen act like that.

[@stevenprice6957]

@@jewels07lol.

[@vshep2669]

The Defense attorneys are costing hundreds of thousands of dollars. Why are people donating to very Wealthy people?

[@Little-miss]

Probably to help with the cost of them very expensive attorneys

[@ji5gz5fu3g]

Hard to believe the defense could argue the alleged “frame job” and “conspiracy theory” when the FBI and the Federal Grand Jury found there was no “frame job” and “conspiracy”. No charges/indictments on public corruption offences, etc, were laid against any person/s (including the Alberts, the McCabes, or Michael Proctor, etc). Obviously the investigation is over (regardless of the KR verdict). The defense running on arguments verified to be unproven, false and untrue, is not true justice for Officer JO ⚖️.

[@charleslaurice]

We will send money to the GoFundMe Karen site because we are the red white and blue true Americans stand for justice. We are not therefore the blue only like the police in Canton, Massachusetts the Commonwealth they’re only blue. They dropped off the red in the white as normally done in socialist communist countries that’s what you’re looking at here a little communist city alto itself, but welcome to Massachusetts where they frame people, just for the Godfather you know the McKabe right 20:36

[@Piat65]

@@Little-miss she will sell her house to pay for those attorney fees

[@traceywilliams2280]

Bc they want to criminalize the police, vilify the victim and turn the criminal into the victim.

[@Graceandres3]

How can they find Karen Read guilty of hitting someone with an SUV when there is nothing on the deceased ‘s body consistent with being hit by a vehicle? I don’t think the doctor watched the trial.

[@BoxerClover]

🤦🏻‍♂️

[@Moe-bz6je]

There was microscopic taillight pieces found on his clothing and taillight is very, very sharp and can cut your arm.

[@danahsutton101]

Look at the arm again. That's not caused by a car. The wounds were caused by a dog. Reasonable doubt so not guilty.

[@sarasmilesco8551]

🤦🏻‍♀️ no dog dna!!!

[@stevenprice6957]

Still the dog 😂. Stop blaming dogs.

[@victorinegaudet4189]

@sarasmilesco8551 pig dna

[@stevenprice6957]

@@victorinegaudet4189 bacon fat attacked him. Lol. Stop the rubbish.

[@sarasmilesco8551]

@@victorinegaudet4189 yes pig gelatin is in tons of food. John had eaten pizza earlier that day perhaps it had pepperoni on it. You can’t have dna from a pig ear that a dog ate without dna. The pig dna would be in the dogs saliva.

[@chrissyellem7397]

The thing that makes me sick is all the people who have made MONEY off this Officer's death. It's not support KR but how much MONEY can I make off this death.

[@Luvlacek3]

Exactly! It’s disgusting!🤮

[@BoxerClover]

hear! hear! 🙏

[@herertolearn3418]

This has been such a long day.. viewing from Hawaii I thought it was Saturday lol😂

[@GPDogDrool]

You are not alone! I think most of us have lost track of what day it is!!❤

[@herertolearn3418]

@@GPDogDrool ok ty! I feel better 😊

[@angelapowell2366]

Killer Karen's guilty, not si cocky now

[@legalparalegal8040]

JUSTICE FOR JOHN O'KEEFE

[@Victoria12339]

It's very telling that only one person said justice for John okeefe. To everyone else this is all about karen read. All I ever see is justice for karen read

[@violetacamps8573]

What was she doing all the time while her man was busy dying ? If she was not guilty she would have raised an alarm.

[@ea8454]

The arm! Just look at the arm, for crying out loud!!

[@yvettedurbangirlsa]

Exactly how can the jury not see that he was attacked by a dog 🙄🙄🙄 and the snow plow guy who said there was no body lying outside he went twice passed that house. Is someone in the jury purposely trying to get a hung Jury 🤔

[@Lendingyourlight]

Maybe find the dog that caused that damage

[@markbaz]

It’s ridiculously obvious. Anyone who has ever seen a police dog training and attacking the trainer, they latch on to the arm and shake. The wounds are the cause of that!

[@SassySouthernSusan]

American Dog Training did a good live couple nights ago. His name is Garret Wing. It’s worth a watch.

[@KaitlynJaney]

@@LendingyourlightIf they could have before trial, they would have. I hope they do this now after the trial but if Chloe can’t be found where the prior owner Nicole said she is there’s nothing they can do.

[@jaypence332]

Justice for Johnny

[@EmJust]

OMG COURT TV!!! When will you stop letting Kevin spout blatant lies?!! That woman never threatened the jurors and Vinnie shows a real lack of professionalism in letting him get away with that!

[@Luvlacek3]

Actually he doesn’t spout out lies & yes she did say that. Many people heard it!🙄

[@BoxerClover]

@@EmJust she absolutely said it. sorry.

[@DBKtoday2]

This translates into give our guy time to wear down the decent and intelligent human beings who would let Read off. The judge did NOT follow protocol. I have worked with dogs my whole life, worked with a breeder, and have assisted in bite training GSD breed. THOSE were DEFINITELY VERY DISTINCTIVE dog bites and the dog was either given the command (more likely judging by location - the dog was working) or the animal saw an altercation involving family pack/inner circle and got excited/involved. The dog has disappeared and the house was sold - give me a break!

[@katmeltwm8694]

I completely disagree with one of the panelists. I think the defense witnesses were way more credible. The prosecution witnesses and experts were a joke. I think one or two did okay. I would NEVER want that LE or Prosecution team representing one of my loved ones. The defense may be fine with a hung jury. They could use what evidence is found in the investigation being done currently on LE. I hope they all go down. It's upsetting for the good officers out there.

[@Luvlacek3]

The defense witnesses did not have all of the evidence & they all admitted it on the stand. So their testimony didn’t carry a lot of weight. Thats what happens when you wait too late because you just assumed the case would get thrown out🙄

[@BoxerClover]

@@Luvlacek3 👏

[@mal5678]

Even if you don't know if she killed him or not, if there's reasonable doubt, they need to find her not guilty.

[@MsMarple]

Some people just don’t understand the concept. I believe that some are also intimidated by truly expert testimony they don’t understand. Lastly, if those jurors are culled from the immediate area, how many know the powerful Albert’s?

[@karencollins2661]

Absolutely right.

[@karencollins2661]

Too much reasonable doubt.

[@willisapril]

Don't forget there is a lot of corruption with this case. The cops probably got to someone on the jury and paid them off.

[@reasonable342]

You do realize that just because the defense makes a claim via experts/etc. doesn’t mean it automatically becomes reasonable doubt. You have to consider all the evidence and discern what is reasonable and credible. You take it for what it’s worth in the context of ALL of the evidence presented. The problem with the defense supporters is that they are ignoring the actual credible evidence which shows she hit him. You all are the defense’s dream…. Easily distracted by the shiny object.

[@sharontheofane7335]

A lot of people over opinionated I thought it was innocent until proven guilty??¡

[@sarasmilesco8551]

All the evidence has been presented. She’s guilty.

[@jeninga1976-v3s]

I honestly believe there is pressure on one Juror, the foreperson. I watch body language and was really taken aback. The Alberts and also Paul looked in the very same direction as the Judge chose the foreperson. Paul needs a better poker face. The foreperson can be very persuasive. Please be careful.

[@BoxerClover]

🤦🏻‍♂️

[@sachabrady]

Good grief! When listening to Carole Lieberman, I thought this 'expert' is really reaching when talking about what the jury might be thinking. Court TV would have been no worse off asking Paul the Octopus to provide jury insight.

[@Paula14609]

She most CERTAINLY did it. It may be a “crime of passion”, anger, delusion, paranoia, mental illness, alcohol beyond reasonable comprehension. But SHE DID IT & the police coverup theory is an instantaneous convenience due to police officers being involved. People don’t trust cops (& in some cases it’s justified, I just don’t think here). The thing is…I don’t think she can be convicted on murder…manslaughter. Due to all the public support, I think the ones who want to vote guilty are feeling oppressed. Can they live with the justice of a cop being killed? Or do they want to punish police?

[@Westie2244]

😂😂😂

[@Westie2244]

😂😂😂🎉

[@michellesayers5346]

Hope you are never on a jury 😂

[@RachaunaX]

You honestly don't think the trustworthiness of cops in this case should be trusted? I have NEVER seen a trial with this many shady cops involved.

[@josephinedimercurio5012]

Well said!

[@Aleese625]

That woman in the green shirt that spoke is the bomb!!

[@stevenprice6957]

The bomb ? Yeah she’s destruction in a nut shell.

[@Kkay2490]

​@@stevenprice6957😂 exactly

[@nikmarimara]

Reasonable doubt - without a doubt. This needs to end. Karen was right when she said this is a waste of tax payers dollars. We need a verdict and we need justice for Officer John O'Keefe. Free Karen Read.

[@josephinedimercurio5012]

Karen is obviously wrong why it’s a waste of tax payer money? Obviously we need to know how this man died right? I guess’ she wants to cancel reality she did it and blamed innocent people

[@sarahlynch7570]

Guilty count 2 and count 3

[@redcharm6173]

You have to prove she hit him first. 🤷

[@sarahlynch7570]

​@@redcharm6173 I hit him, I hit him, I hit him, is that what you're talking about

[@redcharm6173]

@@sarahlynch7570 She questioned herself and the evidence proves otherwise. There’s no evidence she hit him.

[@karliann1]

​@@redcharm6173don't waste your breath on these people.

[@RatTerminator]

Guilty 🤬 Murder 2

[@jewels07]

😂😂. Still drunk?! Get rehab

[@SassySouthernSusan]

Where’s the evidence? Lally didn’t have any..

[@RatTerminator]

@@jewels07 NoKarens BAC is still over. 08

[@sarasmilesco8551]

Yes!! I pray the jury gets this right 👏👏👏

[@RatTerminator]

@@sarasmilesco8551 Me 2

[@stevenprice6957]

I wonder if the equal amount of support would be there if it was a man who was cheating and was abusive and just unhinged as a personality that was up on charges of killing his girlfriend? I’m guessing not. Strange how it works. I’m guessing there wouldn’t be support outside court for the male. It would be the total opposite I think.

[@enpasant12]

He did cheat on her a couple times… not sure what are you talking about

[@stevenprice6957]

@@enpasant12Says who ? Do you make it up as you go ?

[@Kosmonooit]

common .. the evidence is that he was NOT hit by car and he WAS bitten by a dog

[@ji5gz5fu3g]

In your opinion not in everyone else’s!

[@Kosmonooit]

@@ji5gz5fu3g Those are the facts from experts!

[@karliann1]

​@@KosmonooitI exactly 💯

[@BoxerClover]

@@Kosmonooit no, those are not "facts." that is a memorized narrative from your "Daddy."

[@Kosmonooit]

@@BoxerClover No bruises or fractures on the body from the collision? That is an important FACT. Scratches and punctures on the arm correspond to a dog bite from multiple experts, although the commonwealth chose to ignore that/ them. That is the critical evidence which makes all the other smoke and mirrors irrelevant.

[@kareninfascelli4941]

Not Guilty!

[@Billie-p2t]

I think it’s great to see some people supporting the O Keefe family, long overdue! I think these protesters have more issues with the Canton police department than they do in Karen Reads innocence.

[@louannecopeland2220]

I can support Karen from the comfort of my own living room. Certainly, I am not going to stand out there & listen to all that loudness outside the courthouse. Stay Karen strong Not guilty .

[@erica-elfriedemarik6647]

Karen Reeds entourage...come on please😂😂😂

[@SHADOWBLACKs650]

Supposedly the jury Foreman is a retired cop, and he was also appointed by the judge if you remember....

[@yvettedurbangirlsa]

Jup I believe it to

[@markbaz]

Ohhhh, well that’s sounds about right. The judge has been a prop. She is a puppet for the prosecution and it’s blatant.

[@TalLeGal]

Exactly . . .very problematic.

[@chrissyellem7397]

Why did the defense agree to that juror? That's on them.

[@SHADOWBLACKs650]

@chrissyellem7397 if it's true they obviously didn't know, it probably came out during deliberation, it probably wasn't supposed to come out at all.

[@KLBritts]

I think no matter what side of the jury is on the hardest thing for them is that there will be no justice for John Keefe if it’s a not guilty. You can’t punish someone that wasn’t PROVEN to be. I think it’s hard for any juror even on the not guilty side Is having a hard time knowing this will not give justice to John O’Keefe or his family.

[@nettiea9384]

The science spoke. JOK was not killed with a car.

[@Tess-163]

I believe the science I heard from trooper Paul

[@enpasant12]

@@Tess-163and you call that science?

[@sarasmilesco8551]

The facts are that she hit him.

[@Tess-163]

@@enpasant12 yep 👍🏻

[@holdontight1981]

do you know how to spell "science"

[@swedish570]

She hit him and left him to die.

[@jokatech]

You have to be careful how hard you push the jury to avoid tainting their deliberation with malice.

[@PsychNurseExplains]

Fancy, u mean they should have stopped deliberations bc u don’t want to make jury angry? Did I get it?

[@jokatech]

@@PsychNurseExplains just retry it if they feel they can't reach a conclusion. Don't waste your energy desperately trying to attach me to a radical side, because both sides are equally okay with it at this point.

[@Heather-jb8nt]

Agree!

[@PsychNurseExplains]

@@jokatech it’s common for this to happen judge will send them back again if necessary!

[@PsychNurseExplains]

@@jokatech and No it’s not equally felt on both sides gaslighting?

[@toasttoasted3492]

COPLAND

[@marydobson366]

I still cant figure out why the defence didn't get the dog bite doctor show the jury the shirt and hoody to the jury to show the punctures in the clothing. it would clearly show that this wasn't caused by hitting the tail lende.

[@storytimeisallthetime2120]

its already in evidence so they can view it. There's 600+ items in evidence.

[@Elsley12]

There were shards of plastic taillight embedded in Johns shirt! No dog bite, no dog DNA. She smacked him with her car and the tail light cut him up.

[@sunnyrob5176]

@@Elsley12oh but the Alberts got ahold of the shirt and hammered that s*** in there. /s

[@Erin.Kendall]

@@Elsley12yet nothing on his skin. Haha but it cut him… ok.

[@Kkay2490]

​@@sunnyrob5176 you must think they are brilliant master minds. 😂😂😂

[@tinasilvercat6923]

This woman is innocent.... everyone who disagrees clearly has NOT watched this case.

[@KaitlynJaney]

It’s so frustrating and shocking to me that anyone can believe Karen is guilty! The FBI hired guys are certain John was not hit by a car, it’s not possible to happen that way. His injuries clearly do not align with being hit by a car. But my main frustration they cannot prove anything from the CW so how could anyone believe anything beyond a reasonable doubt?

[@sarasmilesco8551]

I watched every single day and I know she’s guilty.

[@MarkG-h2y]

I could be wrong but I am pretty sure the jurors voting for guilty have watched the case and much more intently than you!

[@sarasmilesco8551]

@@MarkG-h2y 😂😂👏👏👏

[@GeorgeeGirl]

She's a narcissistic snarky pos

[@donnacarpenito1689]

I don't get it. I watched and believe the injury to his arm were caused by tail light. This is crazy I'm from Massachusetts makes my people look bad! I rely on DNA

[@RullXov]

Long deliberations are usually good for the defense.