Liverpool Fan Claims Gerrard Was Better Than Scholes | Agree To Disagree

In the latest episode of Agree to Disagree, Liverpool Fan, Paul Machin tells Manchester United fan, Flex that Steven Gerrard was a much better player than Paul Scholes was. The pair debate the biggest arguments between the two most successful clubs in England, including:
-Who will leave a better Premier League legacy - Cristiano Ronaldo or Mo Salah?
-Were Klopp's title-winners better than Sir Alex's treble-winners?
-Will Liverpool win the Champions League again before Man Utd even qualify for it?
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[@LADbible]

With thanks to Flex of United View (kzbin.info/door/QWkxGgZFv3VcrwqwIIGFgA) and Paul Machin of The Redmen TV (kzbin.info)

[@alazartsegaye6096]

Jeeezz liverpool fans are the most deluded

[@shogun0810]

@@alazartsegaye6096 coming from the fan base who think scholes is the best of all time but not once did the fans or players vote for him as their player of the year. Gerrard has more personal accolades and a better goals and assists per mins record too. When I think UTD fans, Palpable delusion comes to mind.

[@alazartsegaye6096]

@@shogun0810 im not even a man u fan

[@shogun0810]

@@alazartsegaye6096 oh just bias... gotcha 👍

[@Rybo4]

@@shogun0810 they live in this weird delusional world where Scholes was as technically gifted as Iniesta when really he was a really good number 10 who became a decent holding play maker. That's it lol. Gerrard was a generational talent who dragged shit teams to trophies.

[@andreaskuusisto7964]

These episodes are actually watchable and entertaining when Ty isnt in them.

[@pleasestoptalking6245]

Facts

[@conorkirkman8576]

Who is TY?

[@matheusdutra6845]

Agreed TY is such a man child 🤣🤣

[@pleasestoptalking6245]

@@conorkirkman8576 Good lord mate

[@shubhkaransingh7342]

Please never get Ty again on this, those episodes are unbearable

[@TheGuyWithNoName001]

This was a good one. Rational and balanced discussion, not baseless claims coming from pure tribalism.

[@jakelamont8610]

Scholes being awful isn’t a baseless claim 😂😂

[@satiricalhaz-homeofbanter4371]

I mean the liverpool fan said scholes was shit like 2 seconds into the video which is one of the most moronically tribalistic and cretinous utterances i've ever heard

[@monegm8001]

Ty from aftv fuming rn

[@tofuteh2348]

@@satiricalhaz-homeofbanter4371 if that shocked you then youll not want to hear what liverpool and utd fans say to each other on a night out

[@satiricalhaz-homeofbanter4371]

@@tofuteh2348 where did i say i was surprised? Just disagreed with the OP's comment is all.

[@murdotch2484]

The way that “Filmed before Man Utd v Athletico Madrid” just casually slipped onto the screen was just majestic

[@DanDAlittleMan]

😂😂😂

[@blitzblix9455]

timestamp?

[@murdotch2484]

@@blitzblix9455 17:30

[@hayfordsarfo1646]

🤣

[@solomonmaghur8180]

This was the best episode yet. Both guys heard eachother out and had a laugh while bring up good points.

[@charliebanks4028]

"We've got Ralf now. He's set us up tactically to not get beaten 5-0." Well, he was right. He set them up to get beaten 4-0.

[@TheWalkingDeadFanBoy5321]

*baby steps* …

[@robbiebrown7177]

They got tactically battered by Brighton

[@TheWalkingDeadFanBoy5321]

@@robbiebrown7177 yeh but not 5-0😂

[@alibarznji2000]

😂😂😂

[@guilhermevieira6010]

it was man utd B team

[@robertemanuel1357]

Finally, two people who aren't at each other's throats.

[@user-ye9bc7nw2c]

Cope

[@bradleys8649]

This honestly might be the most likeable and calm football fan debate video yet.

[@ricardot3015]

There’s another one from a Chelsea and Liverpool fan that was also really good

[@BigSmokeMUFC]

Because it's between 2 of England's actual big clubs. 😎

[@godfatherpart4590]

This is the most enjoyable conversation between a Liverpool and a United fan.

[@davereeves454]

Yep! A straight forward mature chat

[@stevensterling2448]

Saying he‘d rather have Pogba than Henderson shows they absolutely learned nothing! What they need is someone like Hendo

[@fadhilraihan7966]

We got mctominay who is similar to Henderson they both trash

[@yeahyeah9869]

One of them has won a World Cup

[@seaghdhking9122]

@@yeahyeah9869 and he has Kante to thank for that

[@adamrawsthorne5341]

@@yeahyeah9869 and traore won a CL with Liverpool. Doesn’t mean anything

[@yeahyeah9869]

@@seaghdhking9122 No. Pogba was one of the best players for France

[@philippeh3904]

Feel sorry for Flex. No one can win a debate Paul or Chris from Redmen.

[@mattyreynolds4243]

@@englishjames007 huh?

[@curtisfawcett]

@@englishjames007 top class mate, kids must be proud

[@thomasjames456]

Lmao shut up your bro begins by saying Scholes was shit.

[@pacman7687]

They’re deluded and v biased...

[@tomowen9412]

@@englishjames007 what a lovely bloke you must be

[@gurungsaurv]

Most logical and calm discussion I’ve seen here to date

[@dt5beats892]

Saying Salah will have a better legacy than Ronaldo is not logical 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@notimefordat1819]

@@dt5beats892 here we go another die hard united fan unable to see things from a bigger perspective.

[@dt5beats892]

@@notimefordat1819 answer me seriously. Do you genuinely think Salah at any point in his liverpool career has been close to what Ronaldo was like in 06/07, 07/08 and 08/09?

[@tailored4extra817]

@@dt5beats892 far better statistically and trophies are a team effort

[@dt5beats892]

@@tailored4extra817 Salah looks like Aaron Lennon compared to Ronaldo, behave.

[@zevrev8665]

The statement of rather having pogba than Henderson in United current state shows the problem with United is top to bottom years of cowboy management has filtered into the fans

[@librarygary1618]

I've always argued that Henderson is 10 times the player Pogba is because although he isn't on the same level technically as Pogba he makes up for it by blowing him out of the water in literally every other metric needed to be a professional footballer, and I say that as someone who actually likes Pogba as well lol

[@obriendenis3965]

United needs a Hendo in that team but they mostly dont rate him so it's fine. That's why their captain is you know who

[@RIOMAN-]

I'm a United fan and I'd take Henderson any day of the week, there's nothing more pleasing to watch as a football fan than someone willing to run their guts out for the badge, and we haven't had that for fucking years

[@amma9518]

POGBA IS BETTER THAN HENDERSP

[@danielknight6958]

I would love to have a Henderson type of player in the man united team than I would pogba

[@lax02010]

As a Liverpool fan, glad to see that Paul and Flex can have a bit of banter without getting nasty. Humility is largely missing from the modern world but I saw both yield to fair points.

[@alexgordon9508]

Look Scholes was one of my fav midfielders, but as an honest United fan, Gerrard was insane

[@guydutoit61]

Anyone who says Gerrard wasn’t absolutely brilliant is deluded or doesn’t know football.

[@markmason6621]

Bro we don’t claim you. Honest DELUDED United fan.

[@owenheath2218]

@@markmason6621 you don’t claim him for saying he was insane…are you 12??

[@isakpetterssonmusic]

Yep agreed

[@redlavish7027]

I’m a united fan and as soon as Keane left, it would have been incredible if Gerrard had signed for us. We would have won a few more trophies than we already did. You can’t even compare Scholes and Gerrard, there completely different.

[@tomgray637]

Take scholes out of united they still would of won everything they won, take gerrard out of Liverpool and we probably wouldn’t have won a single thing in that era, carried Liverpool on his back for 15 years when he could have gone elsewhere and won everything, and for that he will always be above scholes

[@jackendean5368]

Take gerrard out of live and put someone in that isn’t a passion merchant they might have won the league

[@mattyreynolds4243]

@@jackendean5368 huh?

[@AB-ec6ds]

@@jackendean5368 waffle

[@marekfalk5369]

They only won one big title in 16 years, so doesnt mean much. Scholes was a much better footballer

[@aaronmaguire9130]

Not Scholes fault that the rest of Liverpool were muck

[@shaf621]

Really enjoyed this one, it's so refreshing to see two rival football fans having a rational debate about their teams. Plus I enjoy watching both Flex and Paul from the United Stand and Redmen TV, they're great representatives of their fanbases.

[@KDanes]

Wow you're wet.. it's actually disgusting

[@rupertlowenstein3683]

Finally we get well represented by a United Fan, thank you Flex! Great discussion as well

[@UltraInfernoJ]

Now this was a great video, two rational fans actually being able to speak and talk, actually putting reasonable arguments out for all the points, even the ones where they get a little trapped. Please get more people like these two.

[@violentnewworld]

Two different types of player. Scholes was a tactician and Gerrard was a general. It's not really fair to compare the two as they were both the best at different styles of play. If I was to argue for Gerrard I'd say that Scholes had one of the best man utd teams around him when Gerrard dragged Liverpool through some hard times and kept us competitive

[@NotMe-el3hg]

The thing about Gerrard you could say tho was did he stand out in a lesser team where everything went through him. If he went to a team with similar level players, the likelihood is he isn’t as much a game changer

[@aidanjohnburke7629]

Imagine steven gerrard in that manchester united team..that should really settle the debate..man utd fans wont want to hear that..

[@SAB-my5nr]

@@aidanjohnburke7629 nah, he would not be an upgrade to the Man Utd team that's why Man U wasn't interested in signing him. Now let's flip your qn around and ask, imagine if Scholes was in Liverpool.

[@violentnewworld]

@@NotMe-el3hg I don't think Gerrard would have slotted into Scholes role so again it's hard to compare. I think Gerrard would have had more freedom and less pressure if he played at utd. If Scholes played at Liverpool he would have had less protection, I'm not sure he would have had as big an influence as Gerrard.

[@Martin-bf3by]

Shut up Barry, Scholes was wank and Milners closer to overtaking Scholes than Scholes was as close to Gerrard or even lampard for 2nd

[@curtisfawcett]

Gary Neville admitted he wanted Gerrard at United. Why would you want to bring Gerrard to a team that supposedly has the greatest prem midfielder? lol same for Mourinho wanting to bring Gerrard to Chelsea. Speaks volumes.

[@worthalook4870]

Same as all the world class players at Barca at the time and elsewhere who all said scholes was the best. All their quotes have been online since Scholes retired, xavi, zidane, David’s and many others all say scholes. I agree

[@seaghdhking9122]

@@worthalook4870 them same players have said the same thing about Gerrard lol quotes are only opinions in that moment

[@craigglassford8533]

Why not have both?

[@DB-cx4gm]

@@worthalook4870 Scholes didn’t get a SINGLE Ballon D’Or vote in his entire career. Just think about it. A fellow professional while he played NEVER rated him as elite. Different story for Gerrard though.

[@bri1085]

Ferguson called Gerrard the most influential midfielder in England with Scholes in his team

[@Liam-uo6ed]

Historically the biggest game in the prem is United vs Liverpool. Recently its by FAR city vs Liverpool, its always the match that impresses every time and its usually the title decider

[@devanman7920]

For some reason " but Gerard played with Aquilani" had me dead haha

[@mainakdas4305]

Probably the best debate , conversation,and analysis between Manchester United and Liverpool dudes .No contradiction ,no argue just listening one another's word and then commenting .We want these type of things .

[@rakeshsingh1]

Flex: “We will qualify for the CL by winning it this season” 🤣🤣🤣

[@seongthongchuah8356]

That's why they put the "recorded before Atletico game"😂 because they want to put that clip in

[@paulcasey4282]

Ronaldo is so not a Jurgen Klopp player. Ronaldo is better than Firmino atm but Firmino is better for Liverpool’s system

[@kaidenhall2718]

Jota is better than firmino though

[@shaniapearcey]

Gerrard was the complete midfielder. He was a leader and a captain.had a wide passing range.could head the ball.could tackle. Could score all type of goals and assist

[@Onlyy_david]

Most complete don’t make you the best. It’s all about impact, longevity and success. This guy says Scholes was slow but he played at the highest level a lot longer than Gerrard. Also Xavi wasn’t complete but no one says Gerrard is better than him

[@shaniapearcey]

@@Onlyy_david Gerrard played at highest level longer and had 100 odd England caps and fa cup medals,champions league and England captain id call that success..no bigger impact in games then Gerrard he'd win games on his own playing in a shit team

[@ninjahattori6841]

@@Onlyy_david an another man u fan

[@Onlyy_david]

@@shaniapearcey how when he left the prem in his 30’s and Scholes was 40 in the league

[@shaniapearcey]

@@Onlyy_david 40?lol

[@doesnotexist305]

Scholes is massively famous with English football fans. But as someone who isn’t English, I can say with a decent degree of confidence that Steven Gerrard is more highly regarded outside of England.

[@samprobert6344]

You can’t beat Paul in these debates. He’s such a rational, balanced LFC fan

[@SB-ou5yp]

This wazzock said that Scholes is shit but he is rational and balanced?!

[@danielknight6958]

He ain't balanced he's deluded saying the Liverpool team is better than any man united team

[@mattyreynolds4243]

@@danielknight6958 it is

[@jonbon6843]

@@mattyreynolds4243 well it's not tho is it. The Man United from 2007 - 2009 was 100% better than any team Liverpool have ever had. In those 3 years Man United won the prem three times, won the CL once, got to the CL final once and the CL semi final once. No Liverpool side has been that dominant in the premier league era ever

[@mattyreynolds4243]

@@jonbon6843 literally never get more than 91 points. 😎

[@tekemba1990]

“Give Salah an empty contract so he can put what ever number he wants”……come on flex lol 😂. Y’all don’t learn at United 😂😂😂

[@playboxcasual8319]

Lampard could shoot Scholes could pass Gerrard could do it all

[@crimsoncityzen5282]

But not as well

[@craigglassford8533]

Apart from win a premier league

[@crimsoncityzen5282]

@@craigglassford8533 harsh, he’s still a legend

[@playboxcasual8319]

@@craigglassford8533 he never won the league but still remains part of the conversation between the 3 of them, however he did win more individual awards

[@Johndoe-gf7eu]

@PlayBoxCasual individual sympathy awards from all the liverpool media cos they couldn’t handle the united domination back then. Individual awards tho, if you asked gerrard what would he rather have, Player of the year award, or a premier league medal, what do you think he would say?…. 🤣😭

[@TheDepressedChemist]

I love these videos especially when the two fans are as civil and accepting as they are in this video. However, the comment section within them is always such a clusterfuck and is the worst part of them

[@101cheekie]

Well said mate, 👏 fully agree!

[@ewanbird4370]

Agreed I hated Ty when he was on here

[@EmiSalama9]

Because football Twitter who are born in 2003 have the most horrific opinions known to man

[@unshavengamer5542]

Gerrard in those Utd teams wins everything and possibly more than Scholes did Scholes in those Liverpool teams wins nothing because he couldn’t carry them like Gerrard did

[@simsnyandeni3828]

What does this even mean wins more than Scholes? Scholes was there and did it. Better stats by far throughout his career. Retired, came back and carried an aging team to another title

[@billyyeah7530]

Slippy g 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@ant9925]

Opinion of a child who didn't watch either when they were playing. Somehow you idiots have convinced yourselves that winning trophies is an argument against Scholes! 🤦‍♂️ it's one of the worst takes on football I've ever heard. Gerrard carried Liverpool did he? OK so Suarez, Torres, Alonso, Mascherano were all just average players were they? With Gerrard Liverpool were a cup team and would have been a cup team without him. They were carried to mediocrity. Scholes was a part of greatness.

[@NotMe-el3hg]

Showing a real lack of football knowledge there you have. Scholes was a far better player than Gerrard.

[@sweetlad2926]

Thierry Henry who was the main man at our biggest rivals at the time says when they played man utd they're first priority was to stop paul scholes, and that was in a team consisting of Keane, giggs, beckham, ronaldo, van nistlerooy e.t.c. that should tell you all you need to know

[@Pigaroulettes]

Only liverpool fans can talk about Henderson as if he deserves the Ballon d'or and Paul Scholes as if he's an average bloke.

[@Kanan3]

17:33 I love how even the united fan didn't believe what he said himself 😂😂😂

[@PickleRick235]

Gerrard holds the record for most appearances in the PFA team of the year 8 for a reason. Not to mention included in the world XL 3 times.

[@jesseshell4222]

salah can win the title 7 more times but cr7 will still have a better legacy.

[@Pigaroulettes]

Varane won 4 champion's league and won the world cup. I don't think anyone would take Matip over him outside Liverpool.

[@_XPERIA_]

Just compare what both players won individually; Gerrard won so much more than Scholes it's scary really. I know United fans will point to Scholes trophies but that's more of an indictment of how good that United team was, not one particular player. I think the fact Scholes couldn't even make one of the 2 CM positions for England his own, above Gerrard or Lampard says it all really.

[@safcjoe7062]

Sven played him on the wing mate. Too scared to drop one of them.

[@marekfalk5369]

Scholes was on another level, ppl that know football would laugh at you for just comparing them

[@_XPERIA_]

@@safcjoe7062 Shows he was the most expendable out of the three

[@_XPERIA_]

@@marekfalk5369 then why didn't he win anywhere close to the individual awards as Gerrard or Lampard? People always talk about how highly he was regarded by his peers, yet didn't receive a single Ballon D'or vote from those peers in his entire career?

[@safcjoe7062]

@@_XPERIA_ your opinion but looking what he could do on the ball and his movement it was better than the other two.

[@vikingfrog7204]

You can't argue with Paul he will run rings around you.

[@nyc_chelsea3761]

He was terrible idk what u mean… his opinions are super biased.

[@kagisela9664]

Run rings around him where? He said Matip was better than Varane which is obviously not true

[@vikingfrog7204]

@@kagisela9664 anyone with eyes knows this is true. Varane has been carried most of his career.

[@MADFUTBALLERS14]

@@User-ei7eo He named lots of attributes not just pace

[@nyc_chelsea3761]

@@kagisela9664 matip is definitely better than varane… for the past like 3 years. Matip has improved immensely, he even brings up the ball on his own on occasion.

[@zisolo4283]

Scholesy is great, but he aint capable of carrying that LFC team in the early 2000s to a yearly top 4 finish. No way

[@unclebens6031]

He could’ve been like Grealish tho World class in average team when everything focused on him but a bit anonymous in world class teams

[@hulk8384]

💯

[@lexdemerindol320]

gerrard is scott mctominay but with better pr

[@renegadepenguin9702]

top 4 was minimum for that liverpool squad, who else were their competition? they were expected to finish behind united, arsenal every year with that spending and they did. stop praising mediocrity.

[@markoliver7312]

He was too busy winning leagues

[@5thdawg917]

Flex is such a genuine fan. As a Chelsea fan he almost gets my empathy for his team. I still hold Mata & Matic highly & believe Man United just wasted these 2 players by taking them off us. 2 quality players that are never used properly.

[@TU0399]

Gerrard literally was better than scholes and it’s not even close

[@UnitedViewTV]

Thanks for having me! Proper enjoyed that! Not sure about Pauls takes tho lol

[@graz4792]

Just like we used to hold onto the past Manu are now the same

[@koolifatolo3719]

Everyone makes fun of Arsenal's 03/04 Invincibles but do they know how good those 20 Premier League teams were at that time? Today you only need to worry about Man City and Liverpool and that's it. I really wanna see Jordan Henderson or Rodri go up against just Patrick Vieira in midfield 🤣

[@michaelblake1281]

Not that good. Arsenal had 1 really good team to compete against and that was United. Now the money in the Premier League is crazy. Man City and Man United spending ridiculous money, Chelsea have been a powerhouse since mid 00s, Liverpool have improved massively and Tottenham are better than they were in the early 00s so there is more competition now than there was then. Not taking away from the achievement but there is more competition now.

[@rhysadams1522]

@@michaelblake1281 so chelsea, united, liverpool and newcastle didnt exist then

[@cameronhirtle7316]

I love Scholes but you gotta respect what Gerrard did with a lot less talent around him. Constantly pulling a rabbit out a hat to save Liverpool in massive games. He was incredible!!

[@jamiewhite3149]

liverpool fans love this argument until it’s about messi and ronaldo

[@hughjazz6300]

@@jamiewhite3149 man united fans hate this argument until it's about Messi and Ronaldo

[@Johndoe-gf7eu]

@Hugh Jazz doesn’t make sense

[@hughjazz6300]

@@Johndoe-gf7eu doesn't make sense

[@Quan367]

And vice versa with United fans 😊

[@chrisgiles40]

When he referred back to Arsenals invincibles, that was the perfect timing for a clip of Ty going invincibles,invincibles ,invincibles, invincibles!!!!! 🤣

[@AKBOXING-13-1]

Xavi zidane and Ronaldinho have all said gerrard is the greatest English midfielder they’ve seen. And zidane wanted him to come into Madrid when he was going to leave since they was going to lose 2 playmakers in zidane and beckham.

[@RedDevilDog1207]

Paul claiming a 2nd place Liverpool is better than 99 United is ludicrous. That just states how bad rest of league was during that season. Like Arsenal claiming they were the best for consistently coming in 4th.

[@paulcasey4282]

I’m an Arsenal fan, but United’s 99 treble winning season is not only impressive because of the trophies but also the time they did it in. They did it in a time when squads were smaller making it even harder to fight battles on all fronts. I’d go as far to say even if another team wins the treble now, it won’t be as impressive as that United treble.

[@savagejama6501]

Ya but u do know other teams had smaller squads aswell so at that time it wasn’t a “small squad” but looking back it now it is since squads r bigger now

[@NotMe-el3hg]

It was one of the hardest routes to a final as well. That season United played Bayern 3 times, Barcelona 2 times, Inter 2 times and juventus 2 times

[@joebarnes100]

Wasn't as small as when there was no subs or only 1 sub in the 80s. So getting a treble in the 80s was more impressive?

[@InputCity]

Utd always had bogey refs..seiously Howard Webb was worth at least nine points conservatively for Utd every season, totally made a joke of the league back then.

[@yt.personal.identification]

All that is true, but they still get played off the park by today's Liverpool or City

[@Matty1800]

nobody rated Scholes until he retired, shouldnt even be in the same category as Lampard or Gerrard

[@amma9518]

I agree

[@Matty1800]

@@joshzulu8444 Nah, united fans rated him, nobody else did😂

[@pleasestoptalking6245]

@@Matty1800 So the likes of Xavi, Zidane and Pirlo are just ordinary united fans

[@amma9518]

@@pleasestoptalking6245 Scholes in my opinion is not tht good for some reason i think man united fans hype him up too much giggs waz better than Scholes in my opinion aswell

[@amma9518]

Gerrard and lampard are both better than Scholes I also think tht I don't get the hype around Scholes I think man united fans hype him up and overrated him because he played them for a long time something like tht

[@mbusy5605]

Best discussion we’ve had yet, proper debate and well made points, not just pure hatred for the other team

[@HullzOSRS]

Paul Scholes - 499 appearances, 107 goals, 55 assists. Stevie G - 504 appearances, 120 goals, 92 assists. EZ dubs. End of discussion. BUT... TAA - 155 appearances, 44 assists. I love how renown Scholes is for his passing, yet Trent is already eclipsing him at 23 from a defensive position.

[@zoheabaleem]

I’m not even a United fan but you cant take stats into account regarding scholes or Gerrard. And if you really want to go on stats mustafi had a better 18/19 season than van dijk according to tackles interception etc.

[@cddb5408]

It's worth noting that despite Liverpool getting 97 & 99 pts, in those 2 seasons combined they lost 15 games in all competitions including SEVEN in the champions league. Lucky to have won a champions league with that record. Obviously ManUtd in the treble season only lost 3 PL games, zero defeats in both the FAcup & CL (with the hardest route any winner has ever had in FAcup & you can't get much harder CL route either, whilst also being top scorers by far in PL & CL). Followed by retaining the PL title with 91pts winning by 18pts, again top scorers by far in PL (97 goals). Followed by retaining the PL again in 2000/01 won that year at a canter as well. Could literally afford to only get 4 pts out of a possible 15 in the last 5 games and still win by double figures. Also the format of the CL that ManUtd won in 1998/99 was the hardest due to more actual "champions" and also only the group winners progress to the knockout stage and just 2 runners up from 6 group's. And then the format that ran from 1999/00 until 2002/03 had the most games because it had 2 group stages and yet in 99/00 ManUtd only reached QF (lost to eventual winners Real Madrid) but only lost 3 CL games out of 14. But you still accept that 3 CL defeats you weren't quite good enough. Liverpool lose 4 in 13 and win the trophy so I don't wanna hear them talk about being unlucky to lose title with 97pts plus Liverpool also wouldn't have made it through their group had the fixture scheduling been slightly different and their last game wasn't home vs the team they're competing with for 2nd which was a massive advantage both times in fact that they won this latest format of the CL was mainly due to having to beat a team last group game who they're competing with to scrape 2nd place at Anfield with the crowd etc...dragging them over the line. If they're away last they are eliminated both 2004/05 & 2018/19.

[@Lavinderlagevlogs]

Agree to disagree what a segment keep it coming ladbible🥳

[@lj4474]

Debate 101: "Once you've written something it's done." "Have you ever sang about SG falling over?"

[@finlaytroughton4180]

I think what Scholes offered to United was so different to what Gerrard was to Liverpool that it’s hard to compare the two. Gerrard was the most well rounded midfielder the prem has seen, but Scholes offered a level of control to a game that Gerrard couldn’t. Inseparable and pretty hard to compare the two tbh

[@NotMe-el3hg]

Think scholes could link the game in all areas of the pitch, was world class in any spot in the midfield. Think Gerrard was a better player behind the striker than he was in midfield

[@kaizenkltr]

"He had no pace" - a classic FIFA argument right there

[@Adam-oy4ix]

As a Liverpool fan since 1978, I like the way this guy makes our arguments. Walk on...and Zidane did say Gerrard by the way...

[@ashlfc4eva]

You was right! Ralf set you up so you didn’t lose 5-0.. you lost 4-0 😅

[@SC-lo4mp]

From a city fan, he was. Gerrard probably best English player ever for me

[@guilhermevieira6010]

He's not even the best english midfielder

[@vulch2098]

Honest take as a Liverpool fan. I used to like it when Scholes was playing because I felt we could get at him. Scholes was great at passing but like Pogba in the sense you needed legs around him. Think Scholes was more set for Spanish football. I preferred Scholes to play over Fletcher/Anderson at the time, obviously they aren't in the same league The better argument to compare is Alonso or Scholes. Like Mach said. Scholes wasn't really good at dribbling, heading, tackling or particularly fast. An Ferguson dropped him in big games and tried to get Veron in over him at one time,Gerrard on the other hand you have to be extremely biased to say Gerrard wasn't the complete player. Could do everything and he traded his love for Liverpool over playing for the likes of Real.

[@smoothcheeky8910]

I don't think one was better than the other. I think they suited the teams they were in but would both have failed if they swapped places. Gerrard didn't have the ability to be the engine of uniteds success, Scholes couldn't be the solo star that saved Liverpool regularly

[@oblitorix21]

@@smoothcheeky8910 That's where you are wrong... Gerrard played every outfield position and could do the same job while scholes couldn't tackle to save his life. Passing ability alone is not enough to ignore every other quality Gerrard brings to the table and he could pass jus as well if not better. Manu fans jus bitter their scholes never got a single ballon dor vote for all his years coz he never had a stand out year, ever. Let that sink in.

[@mav3298]

@@oblitorix21 how many balon d'ors did Gerrard win? How about league titles? Shut up you melt.... Stevie G is overhyped English trash.... No one in Spain or Germany knows who he is.... Scholes has far more trophies... this is football not athletics. Being physical is great but being genius is priceless. Xavi and Iniesta rated Scholes do they know about slippy G? Roy Keane is a better captain and footballer then Gerrard could ever hope to be.

[@smoothcheeky8910]

@@oblitorix21 that united team would have declined with Gerrard. Gerrard was great, Scholes made good players great. That's the difference

[@oblitorix21]

@@smoothcheeky8910 Hahhahahahaha... Fergie himself wanted Gerrard and Veron was brought to replace Scholes before that... You know nothing kid. Don't @ me with stupid opinions.

[@stanleywtang]

Saying Scholes is better than Garrard is like saying Henderson is better than Bruno Fernandes

[@OkA-007]

I'm an Arsenal fan and I thoroughly enjoyed their debate. Respectful, logical, constructive and informative through out👍

[@antoinem5823]

As a French Liverpool Fan, MU doesn’t manage well Paul Pogba. He is so gifted, just watch how he plays for France and you will understand that MU never used him properly. He is a true leader.

[@ulissesmendoza8752]

He honestly is a game changer but man I kept moving him all different positions if they let him play how he wants he would be Man U's ozil

[@johnoshea470]

a true leader is someone that does'nt have to have a team built around him, so your wrong

[@antoinem5823]

Being a good leader has nothing to do with complementarity : - Kante / Pogba / Griezmann - Xavi / Iniesta / Busquets - Xabi Alonso / Gérard / Masherano

[@antoinem5823]

Paul has clear coaching instructions, good environment, love, confidence, and complementarity in his national team. He has been the most regular, and one of the vocal leader. This midfielder has everything. MU is a joke club since Ferguson depart.

[@mcfowler1675]

19:58 that aged well 🤣🤣🤣

[@farmansiddiqui9279]

Thing with Scholes is, he was probably the only English player who had the technical ability to get into that that great Barca side managed by Pep. And that is the peak for any midfielder imo

[@za3190]

Who would he replace?😂

[@farmansiddiqui9279]

@@za3190 That’s not the point lol

[@bri1085]

That's just not true

[@farmansiddiqui9279]

@@bri1085 Pep and Xavi themselves said it before the 2011 CL final. Search it up

[@CoolDude-jp1kj]

@@farmansiddiqui9279 No they didn't lmao

[@mjmd2111]

its a breath of fresh air watching this liverpool team crumble in game week 6 in PL and champions league

[@dipeshjaisipoudel9543]

Former Manchester United player Paul Scholes secured an impressive tally of 11 Premier League titles, three FA Cups, two League Cups, two UEFA Champions League titles, and one FIFA Club World Cup. Chelsea legend Frank Lampard contributed to Chelsea's success by winning three Premier League titles, four FA Cups, two League Cups, one UEFA Champions League title, and one UEFA Europa League title. Although Steven Gerrard never clinched a Premier League title with Liverpool, he did win two FA Cups, three League Cups, one UEFA Champions League title, one UEFA Cup, and one UEFA Super Cup during his tenure at Anfield. Paul Scholes leads.

[@ForzaMilan-di2zd]

Gerrard pretty much the best Prem league player ever. Pisses over Scholes

[@stuartmcleod2978]

Paul Scholes was underrated when he was playing but he's become so overrated ever since he retired.

[@lordfarquard9902]

Pure bollocks you talk.

[@Rybo4]

Spot on. You'd think he was fucking Iniesta lmao. He was very good. That's it

[@lordfarquard9902]

@@Rybo4 Now that’s an overrated player, Iniesta is well overhyped by this new hipster carhatt hat wearing youth.

[@lordfarquard9902]

@@Rybo4 You should have gone with Pirlo or Xavi but neither of them won 12 league titles. How many did that Steven Gerrard fella win? Hahahaha

[@Rybo4]

@@lordfarquard9902 Iniesta was excellent, what are you babbling hahah. Xavi and Pirlo too, good shout Yeah he didn't win any titles due to his surroundings, poor lad. Still twice the player of Scholes though

[@liamjohnson5150]

I’m a massive Liverpool fan but you can’t say Paul Scholes wasn’t good! Absolute class player

[@franklingoodwin]

Nobody said he wasn't good. Gerrard was just better

[@neilcarter1504]

Was obvs a joke

[@shivaanchopra5965]

@@franklingoodwin no he wasn’t lmao

[@shivaanchopra5965]

Scholes on a different level to slipps

[@franklingoodwin]

@@shivaanchopra5965 Definitely was. You probably never even watched both in their prime

[@Dan-sy2np]

This is the first episode I’ve seen where they’re not extremely biast idk about the Paul scholes being shit but you know apart from that this was by far the best argument

[@David-fw3fv]

This is one of the most reasonable Liverpool fans I’ve seen and he’s still delusional

[@alexnicol3015]

he was fine until the best pl team ever nonsense

[@saranshsharma4005]

😂😂😂😂

[@RyanCurtis27]

Gerrard was absolutely insane man, could do it all. Gerrard got into the pfa team of the year more than any other player and got into the uefa team of the year numerous times too , and came third in balon dor and was voted by his peers almost every year. Scholes never even got into the uefa team of the year nor got a single vote. Just my opinion. People always say everybody regarded Scholes as one of the best ever but none of his peers ever voted for him for anything

[@CloudedIntentions]

11X ENGLISH CHAMPION English Champion 2013 Manchester United 2011 Manchester United 2009 Manchester United 2008 Manchester United 2007 Manchester United 2003 Manchester United 2001 Manchester United 2000 Manchester United 1999 Manchester United 1997 Manchester United 1996 Manchester United 2X CHAMPIONS LEAGUE WINNER Champions League winner 07/08 Manchester United 98/99 Manchester United 4X ENGLISH FA CUP WINNER English FA Cup winner 2004 Manchester United 1999 Manchester United 1996 Manchester United 1994 Manchester United

[@RyanCurtis27]

@@CloudedIntentions that’s nice but we are comparing players not teams Curtis Jones has more trophies than Bruno Fernandes so Jones is better than Bruno if we are going by your logic

[@Slim-Clips]

Pogba will never be part of an elite club team ever again, he is toxic, careless and lazy.

[@jonathanpascal735]

😂😂 pogba is a world class player that’s why Real Madrid and psg are linked to him @Slim

[@Slim-Clips]

@@jonathanpascal735 No he’s not. He’s a luxury player who will never be a starter for an elite club team for the reasons I already mentioned.

[@jonathanpascal735]

That’s why he’s a World Cup winner and was captain a Serie A winner, Europe league winner won player of the tournament and once agin like I said Real Madrid and psg want him, dw about it everyone gets things wrong 👍🏾@Slim

[@Slim-Clips]

@@jonathanpascal735 You don’t need to be world class to do any of those things. Not only that but everything you mentioned happened 3+ years ago. My statement will be proven correct. Pogba will never be a starter for an elite club team for the rest of his career because he is too toxic and lazy.

[@Slim-Clips]

@Real Alpha I don’t care. My statement will be proven correct. Pogba is too toxic and lazy to be considered world class.

[@vikingfrog7204]

I've ever hated another club like I hate United because you destroyed my childhood but because of that o respect them hugely. City doesn't come close on terms of Rivalry for me.

[@samshyam5347]

Once Klopp leaves, Liverpool fans will revert back to hating their life as usual

[@vikingfrog7204]

@@samshyam5347 Don't cry

[@CoolDude-jp1kj]

@@samshyam5347 Like Man Utd fans have for the last 10 years

[@CoolDude-jp1kj]

Didn't ruin mine lmao. Don't ever remember them being good

[@Johndoe-gf7eu]

@Cool Dude becos you’re like 12. Congrats you’ve seen your team win 1 prem and 1 CL 😂😭😭😭goin on like you’re prime man united uno 😂never seen 3 titles in a row

[@mhdzakeriya252]

Matip is better than varane?

[@benjema112]

Scholes was a magician so good infact that xavi and iniesta idolised him and modelled there game on him and they weren't the only 1's either I think that says it all really.

[@chrislovett5999]

Love Paul. And that statement that Matip is the 2nd best CB is 100% correct.

[@DS-dw3pz]

Yeah obviously loserpool fans take😂

[@Jay-qm8cx]

They’ve use Paul Scholes in the Barcelona academy as an example of how a midfielder dictates the game, as stated by Leo Messi. I think we all know who’s the better midfielder.

[@_XPERIA_]

Messi is on record as describing Gerrard as the "best Engish product of his generation" so I guess you're right

[@14ccr]

What because he could pass a ball well lol? There's reason he was moved from his best position in the England set up to accommodate for Gerrard and Lampard. Gerrard was just a way better all round midfielder. Did most things better tbh, but you won't see past your rose tinted goggles.

[@joshzulu8444]

@@14ccr "he was moved from his best position in the England set up to accommodate for Gerrard and Lampard" Yeah and then England proceeded to win fuck all proving this to be a stupid tactial decision... Not sure what your point is here? We had a midfield of Gerrard and Lampard for the better part of 12 years, and we won nothing, not just that we did not even look close to winning anything.

[@SASMADBRUV7]

@@joshzulu8444 that's more of a manager issue. If they determined those two were better, the execution of that is different

[@jachnoavhnvaon]

Lol what a ridiculous invented story 😂

[@bensurgenor5355]

I agree Paul was always proper hyped up, he don’t even deserve to be in the convo with lampard and Gerrard

[@DINKL8ERG]

Your mental if tshts what you think

[@jdyico]

This was amazing! Just a nice kick back and relax type of sports debate.

[@richierifle2990]

Tbh if you put Stevie.G in that United squad and Scholes in the Liverpool side it wouldn't even be debated who was better.

[@jachnoavhnvaon]

Take out Liverpool and United fans. The unbiased world knew Gerrard was better. Ballon D’Or votes; Gerrard 220, Scholes Zero.

[@oldestmen5163]

That's why they start Gerrard and Lampard ahead of Scholes for England

[@fede4740]

And thats why england were shit. Shameless logic 😂😂😂

[@papacinoooo]

and they were totally garbage! :-) so sad

[@samshyam5347]

England team rn doesn't start Alexander Arnold but starts Maguire lol. Just because England board is stupid doesn't mean someone playing for them is necessarily better

[@kazoh0lic]

@@fede4740 because they won a lot when Scholes was there 😂

[@fede4740]

@@kazoh0lic if they played a pivot of scholes and one of the two other statpadders, they have given it a really good shot. Scholes didnt get given enough chances compared to the two who were inferior to him

[@dami8946]

Hey Ladbible it would be really cool if you got sharky or any of the other podcast members from SDS to debate it would be really fun to watch

[@lllll8449]

Ye true

[@jaredsamuels2550]

not Shaun

[@SQ96_]

They don’t know anything about football

[@holpin1676]

Finally one of these videos I didn’t have to turn off. Two interesting people talking reasonably

[@vrwgq3q]

Being an outsider… I would say that Fergie’s United is what solidified the club in the world as being the face of the premiership with Liverpool and Arsenal as close 2nd and Chelsea/City as 3/4 Being that Gerrard was the face of a successful Liverpool era… and a “better” 2 way player… he’ll probably have the tables tipped his way. Scholes however maybe as good of a playmaker as any… If Zidane is the benchmark of a total midfielder, it’s hard not to look at Gerrard as a close 2nd.. but Jesus were there so many who were exceptional in their prime.. kaka, ballack, rivaldo, iniesta, lamps, and my favourite of all Effenberg

[@theorangutan1914]

Scholes couldn't tackle to save his life. I agree, even Lampard was greater. Gerrard number 1.

[@craigglassford8533]

That don’t matter Keane did the tackling in that midfield 2

[@t_abr8151]

That was his role that was Roy Keanes role whereas Gerrards role was to be that battler

[@jayoneill5979]

Scholes didn’t need to tackle look at xavi pirlo did they ? Lack pace couldn’t tackle still dominated for 15+ years good night

[@moanees0871]

as a Liverpool fan, both scholes and gerrard were phenomenal. i think gerrard just edges it imo

[@cell2179]

Biased

[@markmason6621]

Never heard Iniesta or Xavi EVER mention Gerrard or Lampard 😴

[@gurmukhsinghbansal479]

Facts

[@shogun0810]

But yet the greatest player of all time thinks it's Gerrard 🤷‍♂️

[@kazoh0lic]

They all have. So have Zidane, Pele, Maradona, Maldini etc. I think United fans only like looking at the quotes about Scholes and think that means more than actually getting votes from their peers (PFA/Ballon d’or) because when it came to voting no one really voted for Scholes. Keane got more.

[@cheesybellend6842]

Xavi and iniesta weren’t better than gerrard either so they’re opinion doesn’t count

[@deanmcdougall5331]

(Goal contribution= A goal or an assist.) (GCpG= Goal contribution per game.) Whole career, GCpg: Lampard: 0.49🥇 Gerrard: 0.43🥈 Scholes: 0.3🥉 UCL, GCpG: Lampard:0.5🥇 Gerrard: 0.47🥈 Scholes: 0.27🥉 Premier league, GCpG: -Lampard:0.46🥇 -Gerrard: 0.42🥈 -Scholes: 0.32🥉 National team, GCpG: -Gerrard:0.39🥇 -Lampard:0.38🥈 -Scholes: 0.36🥉 We can see Frank Lampard leads the way in terms of goals and assists, with Gerrard right behind him, and Scholes way out behind. We can also look at their team play numbers, from their prem career. (Following stats from the premier league website) Passes per game: -Scholes:61.6🥇 -Gerrard:55.6🥈 -Lampard:48.3🥉 Touches per game: -Gerrard:76.2🥇 -Scholes:71.7🥈 -Lampard:65.0🥉 Through balls per game: -Lampard: 0.74🥇 -Gerrard:0.72🥈 -Scholes: 0.28🥉 Crosses per game: -Gerrard: 6.3🥇 -Lampard: 3.9🥈 -Scholes: 0.3🥉 We can see from these numbers Steven Gerrard is the most involved with teammates going forward, and being most consistent, still yet to place third in any measure. -Paul Scholes passing the most, but really, really behind in the creative measures. We see Gerrard with a better per game stat in: Long balls, key passes and crosses. Also leading in pass success%. -Lampard didn’t come out on top in any teammate/creativity related stat. -Gerrard also had the higher average match rating, and the more Motm awards. Looking at premier league numbers, Steven Gerrard is far ahead from the other two, leading the per game stats for: Blocks, Interceptions, Tackles, Tackles won, Clearances, Headed clearances and Aerial battles won. - Lampard comes in 2nd in all of these, Scholes in last place. Steven Gerrard also has the highest tackle success rate of the 3 (72%), proving his ability to keep the ball after the tackle is made. - Despite doing far less defensive work than the other two, especially Gerrard, Paul Scholes has the most yellow cards per game of the 3. Maybe Scholes is held in high regard for his big game record, in cup finals for example. Cup Final records: Gerrard: GCpg=0.55🥇 Lampard: GCpg=0.38🥈 Scholes: GCpG=0.14🥉 -Scholes also didn't start in all 3 of Man united's 3 UCL finals, being dropped in 2 and suspended in 1. FA Cup Final Man of the Match Gerrard 1 Lampard 1 Scholes 0 -UEFA Champions League Final Man of the Match Gerrard 1 Lampard 1 Scholes 0 -Paul Scholes has never received Motm in a Cup final, so 'big game player' must not be why he's held in high regard... Xavi and Iniesta for example, who despite not having the best numbers, were constantly seen as the best midfielders in the world, showered with individual accolades.. Lampard: -Balon d’Or: 2nd place (1) -Fifa player of the year 2nd place (1) -PFA Prem Team of the Year: (3) -Premier league player of the season(1) -Prem player of the month (4) -FWA footballer of the year (1) -England player of the year (2) -Fifa world xi (1) Total:14 Gerrard: Balon d’Or: 3rd place (1) UEFA footballer of the year: (1) Pfa player of the year: (1) PFA Prem Team of the Year: (8) Prem player of the month (6) FWA footballer of the year (1) England player of the year (2) Fifa world xi (3) UEFA team of the year (3) Total: 26 Paul Scholes: Prem player of the month (4) PFA Team of the year (2) Total: 6 We can also look at Balon d’Or nominations and votes. Steven Gerrard: 6 nominations, 220 votes🥇 Frank Lampard: 5 nominations, 169 votes🥈 Paul Scholes: 5 nominations, 0 votes.🥉 -Scholes with less Balon d'Or votes than premier players like Adrian Mutu and Papa Bouba Diop. During his 20 year career there were 14 different winners of United’s player of the year award. Scholes was never one of them. -Antonio Valencia, Javier Hernández, Gabriel Heinze and Andrei Kanchelskis all picked up the award whilst Paul Scholes was at the club...

[@michal8351]

Yh, for me it's between Lampard and Gerrard. Scholes just gets overhyped by most just cos some players called him best, but in reality it dont mean much

[@poseskrald]

Love it when the two people actually listen to each other

[@simsnyandeni3828]

Scholes was there and did it. Better stats by far throughout his career. Retired, came back and carried an aging team to another title

[@paulgurling4561]

scholes doesn't have better stats deluded boy

[@dhrsajkaushal9]

Scholes better stats??? wtf u on about 😵

[@andy-or5eq]

Better stats?

[@DrMundo92]

@@paulgurling4561 when he came back he finished the league with a title, and the best pass accuracy % in the league... To see the man miss a pass, be it 5,10,30m was like seeing the Loch Ness monster.

[@simsnyandeni3828]

@@paulgurling4561 look man I love a KZbin debate but it’s just not fun if it’s debating a clueless dinosaur who has no idea what they are on about. I didn’t even mention what’s stats 😉

[@p.mrockypete2475]

As a Liverpool fan I’d take rashord if out of nowhere we didn’t have jota or minamino He’s a baller and for the community work he’s done for kids in the north west he’d be loved and be more appreciated by the Liverpool fanbase Which would help rashord become confident n maybe better

[@asianwarrior2193]

doesn't start over any of our attackers btw

[@harveysingh2832]

Paul Scholes was a brilliant player coming from Liverpool fan

[@patrickodonohue]

As a United fans since 88 Gerrard was better than Scholes but imho Keane was the only midfielder I think was better than the brilliant Scouser but Keano is very underrated today although people are starting to see how great the legendary Irishman was between 92-06 with Forrest and United.

[@prasetyosenopambudi6524]

Feel like they could've emphasized more on the different roles that Gerrard and Scholes had in their teams. Scholes was never a box-to-box type, unlike Gerrard. Gerrard naturally had better physical stats which became an advantage for him and his role which was to basically be everywhere and everything for Liverpool. Scholes on the other hand was a no. 10 in his early days and a no. 8/6 with keane/carrick/others, which shows that he has very good IQ and talent considering his lack of physical prowess. Both can hit the ball beautifully, but Scholes edges out Gerrard in terms of distribution and vision. Stats I think can sometimes be 'misleading' when talking about midfielders, so debates about who is better can be very interesting

[@phillyl4235]

Joel matip has got to be one the greatest signings of all time. Got him on a free and he's been a Liverpool 6 years now. Liverpool finishing 2nd place in 2019 were 18 points better off than man uniteds 99 team. Thats 6 games 😬 Gerrard played with alonso, mascherano, dietmar hamann, raul morieles and this fella brings up cheyrou and aquialani 😂 I disagree with the rivalry part. I think in more modern times our biggest rival has been Chelsea and most recently its Man City. The 2 teams are just so good to watch and they both go for it. The Everton game is dead to me. They bare no relevance to me at all. We can draw with them and they think they've won. It's not a match when one of the teams starts with a handicap 😂

[@yt.personal.identification]

Matip and Sami...2 great signings to become legendary.

[@CloudedIntentions]

18 points, yeah that happens when you only focus on one cup a season. United nearly won the quadruple that year. How many more games did you united play that season as well? Thats the qustion you should be asking. Comparing finishing second in the league to Englands first and last continental treble winners is the saddest thing i've ever read. Liverpool fans are fucking delusional. I wouldnt mind this current liverpool side has the same amount of league titles as leicester.

[@phillyl4235]

@@CloudedIntentions liverpool won the champions league the same year so all that focusing on one competition stuff is irrelevant. How is numerical facts delusion mate? 😂😂😂 I think the delusional one is you if you think football started with the Premier league. We've got 19 League titles and we will get to 21 before you lad.