Living on $200,000 After Taxes in Zurich, Switzerland

[@qtla9111]

It's not how much you pay, it's what they do with the money.

[@alexgataric]

In the USA, we don't get shit for it. EDIT: specified USA.

[@Laroac]

@@alexgataric are you from the US? will du redisch sicher nöd überd schwiz mit sonere ussag

[@qtla9111]

@@Laroac Soy mexicano, traduzco tu mensaje y todavía no lo entiendo.

[@Laroac]

@@qtla9111 No fue español, fue suisso aleman. Solamente le conte que no puede ser suizo si piensa lo que dice.

[@qtla9111]

@@Laroac obvio que no fue español. Conteste en español porque es mi idioma.

[@windingpath]

I pay higher tax here in California. I live next to a park which is also a homeless camp and I have to buy health insurance out of my own pocket.

[@marvellousobasojie662]

Move to Europe

[@thunderstar254]

That's because your tax dollars have to be diverted to redneck backwards conservative states... I say let them secede just like they want and don't let them in when they inevitably come crawling back crying and blaming antifa for sabotaging their failed empire 😂

[@bandidoJNMR]

In switzerland you also have to buy health insurance out of your own pocket

[@whosaiyanji]

Well the problem is you get what you vote for.....

[@ZOG_EXTERMINATOR]

Healthcare isn’t covered with taxes in Switzerland. If you are a working man, your gonna have to buy your own healthcare plan.

[@Mad_Flavor]

And the greatest thing is, they need to ask you if they want raise the taxes, with a vote

[@deborapedro7150]

Sure... and insurances and everything else every year too. Oh and we vote our salary raises too. People have no clue...

[@silverbowftw5225]

LMFAO

[@Free_Palestine_from_israel]

That's the real democracy

[@KLMT01]

😮

[@Pit-jt3lw]

Church tax?😭😭😭

[@switzerland]

You can skip it by just saying you are not religious

[@JumpyJoker18]

​@@switzerland Thank goodness.

[@bluemavryk]

The a******s dont actually ask you IF you are or are not religious. They ask you WHAT religion are you? Implying that you DO have one hence most people answer honestly - not aware they’ve just been d****d by your municipality out of church tax! Welcome to Switzerland!

[@chimkinNuggz]

@@JumpyJoker18 godness*

[@rogercvc6768]

You get a church funeral instead of the dumpster tho. I’d hedge my bets!😀

[@Vladkazenski7777]

We pay similar in the US and in return we get falling infrastructure, and a middle finger

[@enviromental2565]

My brother moved from America where all his family lives to Switzerland about 20 years ago for a job and hasn't come back. The must be something pretty great there to leave your original country and family behind.

[@kilovolt2494]

US is huge. You want the beach? Here's the beach. You want some mountains to ski on? Here are the mountains! You want the desert, or you want to see northern lights? US has all of it. While income - taxation - spendings - remainders is insanely complex matter that further depends on a person/their occupation/canton vs state, etc - one thing that no one would argue about is that quality of life and purchasing power of the US are very close to the Swiss ones. So, idk. I'd be interested to know why your brother chose the US - at least, as a person who lives in the US.

[@chazmartin5725]

@@kilovolt2494 He didn't. He moved FROM the US to Switzerland 20 years ago.

[@zaram131]

I would move from America to Switzerland if I could see a way to do it.. It’s the most beautiful place in earth. Your brother is so lucky.

[@professormeow3399]

@@kilovolt2494Still the US is not the only place which has "all of that" and in Switzerland you don't need to travel far to - for example - go visit a beach. Just because you might happen to cross a few borders... besides you might suddenly be in a completely different culture and that just makes things more interesting. The thing is... your argument kind of doesn't make sense. Just because you live in a small country doesn't mean you are confined in it, because that is not how Europe works.

[@ComputerGeekOnTwoWheels]

The happiest people on the planet live in Switzerland. What does that say?

[@oudloek]

Says who?

[@Balion1976]

it is actually Denmark and rest of Scandinavia, but Switzerland is way up there^^

[@Corleone_Napoleone]

You are delusional! If you believe YT, you are in deep💩 😂😂😂😂

[@Bokkie100k]

​@@oudloekthe World Happiness Report and many other surveys consistently show countries with good health care and social security ranking in the top 10, unlike the US.

[@twill9278]

It's Finland for the last 5 years.

[@larrymccue8097]

No tent cities.

[@michaelmoore292]

Yeah you paying for other people's not working

[@larrymccue8097]

What a sad person to think like that.

[@michaelmoore292]

As someone who spent his life working I am all for charity but I get to choose the ones I give to not the government as we see they choose charities I would rather not support

[@sick9990101]

@@michaelmoore292 you don't mean this? The whole point eg. of health insurance is that individuals are not deciding if and how much they shall pay.

[@Vinicius-kc9pq]

@@michaelmoore292it’s the opposite, look at California… they pay hundreds to homeless and guess what, it still has one of the biggest numbers of homeless in the us

[@bluemavryk]

Not quite correct. Every municipality in Zürich has its own tax ratio, but for sake of your example, lets assume it is the municipality of Zürich. Church tax is not compulsory - you can declare you have no faith & you will not be charged this tax. These calcs change depending on if you own assets, property, live with codependents, earn income or have assets in other countries, age, sex & nationality. Its nice to think these are 1:1 comparisons, but they arent. My $140K income in Zürich as a single man saw a total of 16% of total deductions. In Fribourg it was 24%. Cost of living in Zürich is WAY higher than in Fribourg. This is not an accurate apples to apples comparison.

[@merickclare]

Wow. You have a lot of income

[@that1niceguy246]

​@@merickclare Switzerland has a higher cost of living and therefore higher wages and a higher minimum wage though these things can vary from canton to canton. The highest minimum wage is in Geneva, around 25 Francs per hour.

[@lockman004]

I pay a larger percentage of my income in taxes here in the United States, and the services the taxes pay for are poorly delivered and I'm made to feel like 2nd class citizen when I try to collect what is due me and I can't find a doctor that will take me as a client because I'm forced to use medicare. Now I'm looking to move to Portugal when my retirement income will allow me to live a better life with better medical care.

[@JoseP-hj5zo]

No one loses their home to pay medical bills in Switzerland .

[@hippodinoreserve6090]

No one can afford a home in Switzerland. They are all renters.

[@AG-dk6qb]

😆

[@ZeN8Th7]

​@@hippodinoreserve6090 still swiss is better. At least I can die in peace

[@KLMT01]

@@hippodinoreserve6090😯

[@Alleycat1921]

I have a lady friend who lives in Zurich. I visited her for a couple of weeks, and she is doing well on far less than 200k per year.

[@drmarkrieke]

Definitely worth it to live in a safe and sane society

[@Soupdawg1900]

Dang man, that’s a decent tax rate and the church gets a cut too!

[@dougs7367]

The church doesn't deserve a cut

[@Why_u-lie]

@@dougs7367 it does if someone has other religion or no religion beliefs that’s why to it’s not mandatory

[@pulpmysteryfan]

I wouldn’t call a pension fund contribution a tax.

[@Jkp564]

And somehow they managed to have greater wealth and lower debt the the us citizens…

[@franklinloll2229]

Much fewer citizens and no illegals.

[@that1niceguy246]

​@@franklinloll2229 Those illegals do the cheap low paid work many americans wouldn't do anyway.

[@ninakramer276]

@@franklinloll2229 Canada welcomes immigrants and encourages ppl to emigrate to Canada. Our country is huge and workers are needed.

[@lukerider479]

@@ninakramer276 I think you forgot to put the word illegal in-front of immigrant in your comment. You welcome illegals to your country just like the US.

[@SwagHaxks]

Alot of these taxes arent taxes. Pension fund is given to you

[@diverdan2005]

I moved to Switzerland 7 years ago after growing up In AZ over 25 years. I have no intentions of moving back to the states. No government is actually looking out for their people, but Switzerland at least is trying. 70% paid unemployment for 400 working days... Starting at 3 weeks paid vacation from day 1... People looking to be an artist starting their career can survive on a normal 1 job a person. There is no minimum wage here, but a McDonalds worker gets 25chf/hour

[@Hhhh22222-w]

Still pretty good to me

[@paullanoue5228]

They forgot to mention all the services that are provided by their governments that Americans don’t get here. Like not going bankrupt because of illness.

[@bman6502]

The main difference between them and us,,, their rich don’t fight the system to reduce their tax.. they pay like everyone else. In the US, the gop party fights to ensure the wealthiest pay low taxes..

[@travisharding4364]

Here what's a Swedish Drug Company Astra paid US employees 50000 for a manufacturing position that didn't require a College Education... I love the Sweeds

[@TiffanyLynTube]

It sounded crazy until the complete total at the end and then I realized, OMG I pay MORE as a New Yorker

[@SrPicolo]

Total tax in Brazil - 27,5% And you need your own life insurance, pay school for your kids, and live in a good non violent place. People from these countries that the government pays for good public schools and healthcare and security cries too much about taxes.

[@kevinbergin9971]

They have also fund away to avoid paying for a large standing army yet have never been under either communist rule, the Nazi rule or the rule of Exxon-Mobil.

[@TheVampyrOfMyli]

Hey Switzerland, can I retire there? If I had money and just wanted to come and live, could I just do a citizenship by investment? For residency?

[@esportbets]

You don't even need to invest, you can just show you have a couple of million in your bank account and you will be granted a 5y permit. Probably contact an immigration lawyer first to answer all of your questions. Rate is around 300 CHF/hr.

[@SpottedSharks]

And CH has the best public transportation system in the world such that most people don't ever need to buy a car. Imagine what they save on the purchase cost, insurance, tax, fuel, and repairs.

[@thechocolatemonster3392]

More taxes in California than this

[@JuanGarcia-tg4od]

Not bad at all.

[@christophedelannoy9216]

Hahaha. Stop believe lies. La Suisse🇨🇭 est une confédération bananière, oligarchie. (Droit d'urgence...) La Suisse est une illusion, un mirage : -La Suisse a été condamné plusieurs fois récemment par la CEDH (Cour Européenne des Droits de l'Homme). -Taxes pour les chiens, taxes poubelles, serafe (TV), prix du coiffeur, téléphonie, contrôle des habitants, assurances, crèche CHF 3000/mois, SBB CFF (trains), parkings, cinéma à CHF 20 de base la place... -Plusieurs hôtels 5 étoiles de ville sans spa. -Matière fécale dans la baie de Montreux. Algues, puces de canard, cyanobactéries mortelles pour l'Homme. Chiens morts Neuchâtel. -plein d'allophones en Suisse. Qui ne parlent aucune langue nationale. -Fin de la neutralité. Entrée à l'ONU. -Fin du secret bancaire. -Pas de code du travail mais un code des obligations déboulonné. -Les Suisses transforment parfois des licenciements (même abusifs) en démission pour éviter de payer le chômage malgré les cotisations. C'est du vol. Les Suisses appellent ça le chômage auto-infligé. -Beaucoup de jugements à huis clos comme en Corée du Nord. Sans avocat aussi. -J'ai fait condamner plusieurs juges pour viol du droit à l'écoute. -Gros problèmes de drogues dans le canton de Vaud. Rixes mortelles au Flon. Dealers Lausanne, Vevey. -Attentat à Morges. -Beaucoup de travaux. gares, routes, autoroutes. Embouteillages monstres. -Scandale trains trou de tolochenaz. -Scandale construction autoroute entre Brig et Sierre. Plusieurs milliards sur plus de 30ans. Corruption. Fausses factures. -Chez Nespresso, saisi record de cocaïne en 2022. -Nestlé a fait travailler des enfants en Côte d'ivoire. -Moins en moins de neige. Les glaciers fondent vitesse grand V. -Scandales UBS et Crédit Suisse en milliards. -La BNS (Banque Nationale Suisse) a perdu en 2022, 132 milliards de CHF. C'est abyssale. -Banque Suisse Reyl condamnée. -L'argent du Liban 🇱🇧 planqué entre 300 et 500 millions de $. -L'argent du Cameroun 🇨🇲 dilapidé par Paul Biya depuis 40ans à Genève. -L'argent de l'Afghanistan 🇦🇫(CHF 3.2 milliards) gardé à Bâle. Pendant que le peuple meurt de faim, sans chauffage. -Discrimination anti Français (Lire Marie Maurisse, journaliste Le Monde, livre : Bienvenue au Paradis.) -La fondue Gerber n'a plus le droit d'utiliser le drapeau Suisse sur ses emballages car les ingrédients viennent de l'étranger. Toblerone aussi. -Salon de l'auto Genève encore annulé. 4 fois à la suite. -Routes pas toujours salées. -arnaque twint. -arnaque bois de chauffage. -Le cash interdit dans des marchés de Noël. -700 000 habitants sans eau potable sur environ 8.5 millions d'habs. -Pollution : Dioxines dans les sols Lausannois. Adieu les potagers. -UBS condamnée en décembre 2021. 1.8 milliard d'€. Démarchage bancaire illégal. Blanchiments. -...

[@drewphillips288]

No slums, livable pension and great healthcare

[@nathanseverson2636]

I'm not sure what the point of this is, but this is similar to paying the nominal tax rate (and investing in a retirement fund) as a small business owner in the US. Except in Switzerland the healthcare, quality of life, and life expectancy are much higher than the US.

[@boedilllard5952]

After paying Federal, state and municipal tax - that seems a bargain.

[@dallasmcquarrie1937]

That's a darn good deal considering how much safer people are on Swiss than American streets; how much cleaner their environment is; how much more available health care is; how many fewer guns are in circulation ... one could go on and on about it, but what the video says is one does a lot better living in Switzerland than American.

[@Froblyx]

The problem with this accounting is that it understates the income of the individual. The individual is also getting a wide range of public services that constitute indirect income.

[@hoochiecoochie571]

I bring home half of what I make and still have to pay additional out of pocket expenses for even more taxes and fees to cover what my taxes and insurance premiums don't cover. I'd pay that any day to get what they get for their taxes.

[@bryanmachin3738]

Virtually no crime, no slums, low infant mortality. You get what you pay for!

[@carls.1000]

Exactly the same as the United States but in Switzerland you have superb healthcare, far less crime and much cleaner environment.

[@jerrytang3146]

Air is sweet. Unlike San Francisco.

[@patchv.wollen4687]

It’s a great city to live your whole life! That’s whiz so many immigrants here now! You can’t compare Switzerland to other countries, it’s just unique and very clean!

[@Xsh755]

Insurace premiums and pension fund contributions are not taxes. 😊❤ Greetings from 🇩🇰

[@glennthompson3060]

Must be nice when you don’t have to militarily protect the world.

[@barbaraseiler9750]

no one asked you, the USA, to meddle everywhere with your army. Just go home and make some order in your own country. bye bye.

[@Hhhh22222-w]

You mean militarily terrorise*

[@flexx7543]

While sinking your teeth deep to suck any possible economic benefits? Talk about trying to have it both ways!

[@DmMoiMienNamke.mandimoiroNgu]

Protect 😂😂😂😂😂

[@DmMoiMienNamke.mandimoiroNgu]

U mean destablize for power hegemony?

[@user-vv7ir1pl4j]

Considering how you get taxed over 60% in the uk for a worse life in Switzerland is every single possible aspect it’s kinda worth it

[@chrismcdermott7766]

The price of living in in a place where your taxes are actually used to improve your lifestyle.

[@TheNextGeneration97]

Pension fund is not tax. These are savings. And are depending on your age and the company. Church tax can easily be eliminated. And the taxes are different whether you are married or not. There are also numerous other deductions that reduce taxes, which have not been taken into account here.

[@dominiquecharriere1285]

31.66% tax on a 200k$ is quite low compared to many other European countries.

[@armyveteran101st]

And yet, their standard of living is among the highest in the world, and no one goes broke because of health care or education costs. They are a lot better off than we are here in America in many ways.

[@jesse399]

Next can you make a reasonable wage comparison. Who makes $200,000 a year, like what do they do for work?

[@doctorstrangelove9487]

Yes they tax a lot but they care of the people they don’t spend 100 billion on F-35 and 100 billion in Ukraine and 850 billion a year on military industrial complex.

[@srmatte1]

and no medical bills. I just paid $350 USD for a 15 minute conversation with a hemotologist

[@liasisboa]

I’d pay 70% tax to live in Zurich or Geneva or Bern… all three clean, safe, and magnificent!

[@BaronSamedi1959]

Lucky Swiss! In Belgium the gross tax rate is closer to 50%.

[@LostPhysx]

the insurances and pension fund are not taxes! The total tax is $43,000

[@wietseterpstra8295]

In the Netherlands with that income you would pay roughly 80.000 income tax, and then there are added on taxes, so Switserland has a good tax rate compared to where i live.

[@jamesdickinson9686]

That includes retirement and free medical for life. That would be double in the USA.

[@mikegriffin1598]

How many working people in Texas off themselves due to living in horrible debt? Farmers, sick people etc

[@lindywinn2447]

Crazy I pay less than that in TN and I make more than 200K. You can have your Switzerland 🇨🇭 and it’s taxed.😂😂😂

[@lalainekern2470]

I used to pay 33%of yearly tax when i was working but i have never complaint because i know where my money gone

[@dakotacabo5363]

Since when is a Pension contribution a tax? Only "members" of a church pay the church tax. The Cantonal tax is a Wealth tax not income tax.

[@MichealSchroeder-b9k]

That is higher than the tax rate in the US but I would argue that their contribution would net them free college, free medical, and free unemployment insurance. Sure you pay more, but you also get quite a bit more for that extra payment. I would rather live in any first world country than the US......unfortunately you have to pay to renounce your citizenship. The US is the only country that makes you pay to give up your citizenship. Let that sink in!

[@MrRSCHECK]

I'll pay 31% for health insurance and not having to worry about mass shootings...

[@awesomecraftstudio]

You can say "ich gehe" in German even if you dont literally walk. Like if you would say "ich gehe auf Spanien in die Ferien" (literally "I am going to spain on vacation"), no one would think you are litterally walking there.

[@havedrill1]

And yet they don’t have to worry about paying medical bills, housing or getting gunned down in the streets. They are listed as some of the most happy people in the world. So if the point of this video was to show how high taxes makes their lives harder, It actually made their lives better.

[@waldoarriagada3180]

Taxes are immoral.

[@my_pronoun_is_your_excellency]

Any property tax, sales tax, VAT tax? Without those taxes, 31% net personal tax is quite reasonable for an advanced country with high social welfare.

[@bigapplebucky]

Not all of those things are taxes. Accident coverage would be paid to an insurance company in the USA. Pension contribution is clearly not a tax.

[@rifolas]

That's still nearly 140k, that's like, stupid good living standards+stupid good pay. Idk what the cost of living in Switzerland is, however i doubt it's more than like 40k a year with you living decently comfortably. So that's still 100k in your bank account, just build a company in the U.S. and ignore workers rights if you want more money at that point.

[@bbailey17b]

So? What's the pension like, once retired? Is the medical/dental coverage complete? ETCETERA

[@johnwashington2690]

Yesterday I watched how Las Vegas at 300k is 29% and now today Switzerland is only two points higher at 31% at 200k.

[@melvynmachin7534]

It should be a lit more than this. It is vital fir every civilised community to pay tax and put the community first and the individual second

[@williamfruhauf]

In other words, someone with a $200,000. annual salary is probably living pretty well. Certainly not hurting.

[@davidmcfaull3162]

Pension savings arent a cost… they are savings..

[@blairkinsman3477]

Do that for Canada 🇨🇦 .. total tax rate will exceed 50%

[@johnnypopsicle]

Plenty of money left to enjoy life. They probably get 6 weeks paid vacation every year to. In the USA most people barely make 35k

[@Mizu-AM]

Still cheaper than London's Tax rates 😅

[@michaelk2276]

Deductions are higher than that in the US for a similar income

[@VinaySharma-xq6nw]

You can contact Indian Chartered Accountants .. I am sure they can tell you how to evade taxes in Switzerland .. They are pretty genious people 😂😂😂

[@philipketchum1407]

That’s an absolute bargain. Lower total taxes than here in the US. The wealthiest country with the happiest and safest citizens. You really get what you pay for. And most importantly you get what you vote for.

[@Cheapn1]

I have a question for those living in Switzerland. Do I pay my own taxes or are they automatically deducted from my income?

[@lewjames6688]

About the same as in California. Only in Switzerland, you can walk the streets without any fear whatsoever. And nobody poops on the sidewalks.

[@manthroat]

So they pay a few percentage point more and get a HUGE amount more in services. Works for me!

[@freeborn204]

I laugh at those figures as a Canadian. My husband got a raise and brought home less money. We have Health air {not care}, \\\\

[@Bamboohugger]

I don't mind paying that in taxes, actually get a lot of benefits compared to the US but the church tax is questionable

[@SwagHaxks]

Its optional and pension fund is given to you its fine

[@lucasandreboaventura9820]

Now ask the population If they want to move from there

[@zanyrumon5156]

Public transportation, universal, healthcare, good, public education, clean streets, great roads, three weeks, paid vacation, great family, leave policies, it’s worth every cent far as I can see.

[@alpo2smith]

You can get removed from the church tax, same in Germany. Just don’t expect to get married in one afterwards though

[@mickeymckernan6326]

maybe we should learn from this because to get old here is terrible because like many societies who take care of the elderly we don't

[@cameronperry8446]

I pay nearly that percentage in the US. I’m actually shocked it’s not more in Switzerland. We basically get jack shit for our taxes. The Swiss have incredible social programs by comparison.

[@user-mj6sl9qv8j]

Can you call pension, income insurance and health insurance contributions a tax? You have to pay all of these from your net salary in other countries and Swiss govt gives platinum level service and rewards...

[@michaelk5265]

I pay nearly that in Florida and make 2/3 that lol. I also don’t have any of the benefits of being a Swiss citizen. I have to pay $400 in health care premiums lmao

[@douglasekrensr6897]

Sounds like they pay for their own future retirement plus Switzerland being a semi socialist state, they ensure all residents are safe and secure. Great country, no wonder Tina Turner became a Swiss citizen. ..

[@gustavinus]

I dare you to do a Brazilian one. Not even we can understand this sh't. But people say it is 2/3 in general.

[@Bruniebear]

But people gladly pay money to be able to live there - as would I!!!

[@steelcom5976]

So that's the reason why Switzerland is doing to well. A progressive tax system of course.

[@scottmullins87]

that included property taxes i assume and health insurance as well as ALL paycheck deductions and a pesion and old age security. That's a good deal. they also have better roada , schools and programs . The U.S can learn.

[@jaespinnaz]

Cheaper than Canada they would take half of 200k

[@susanhemphill1134]

I wish I lived in Switzerland!! And they don't have to work til they die!

[@papercup2517]

What is the point of this? The tax rate seems just normal - except, maybe, to Americans.

[@johnsimion2893]

Assuming this is real - which I highly doubt - paying $63,974 tax on $200,000 leaves $136,026 take-home. This is an effective tax rate of 32%. Before Reagan, the maximum federal income tax rate in America was 70% and there was no deficit. Was it worth the trade to give this massive federal debt to our children and grandchildren? We know the Swiss are totally taken care of, cradle to grave. What did WE get for all that debt?

[@nordicaozz]

36% tax is nothing! Turkey is the country that has the highest taxes. When you decided to buy a car, you need to buy a car the for the goverment too. standard tax rates almost 50% for almost everything. Healtcare, every kinf of insurance is too expensive.

[@Neiltxu]

Does not seem like a lot, also the quality of life there is totally worth it. I hope I could contribute the most I can to the country where I live so that no one is left behind. We need more Switzerlands!

[@desertfish6239]

Lots of people pointing out what is wrong in the USA yet millions want to come and live here. For those that live here and complain nothing is stopping you from going elsewhere.