Lizzie Borden: Guilty or Innocent? - Deadly Women - S08 EP01 - True Crime

[@MusicandDancing4Ever]

Who benefitted from Lizzie parent’s death? Lizzie! She got to live where she wanted, have what she wanted. They say follow the money and you’ll find the killer.

[@krystaldispatchbetttymcgin7702]

Except Emma was the eldest. Lizzie didn't stand to inherit anything. I think Emma was the mastermind

[@tracymorgan5386]

@@krystaldispatchbetttymcgin7702the estate was split evenly between her and Emma and Lizzie seemed to truly love her sister I believe she thought her and Emma was Allies & all lizzie really had.

[@AngiePhilbeck]

She donated most of her money though

[@debbiesdeathpile]

Her sister also benefited

[@Yennefer_Of_Vengerberg--1266]

Both sisters benefited from it , not just Lizzie.

[@angelanova9732]

Occums Razor: the simplest explanation is usually the correct one. Not only did Lizzie probably blame her father for no marriage prospects, she was sick of living like a peasant with no indoor plumbing like other houses had, because Andrew was cheap with his money, It is rumored they got into a fight because Andrew was done paying off the shops that Lizzie Borden was stealing from (not mentioned in THIS doc) and threatened to stop covering for Lizzie/cut her off. Then, he added insult to injury by bending his penny-pinching ways by helping Abby’s half-sister. Abby and Andrew had to go.

[@christinelette9943]

Rumor about the will, as well. Why Abby was taken first so her family got none of Andrew's money.

[@brynnesantos9817]

I personally do think it was Lizzie. Even if Lizzie didn't commit the murders herself, I think she might have known something about who did. (Possibly hired someone else to do it)

[@skokian1able]

That’s always been my theory; Lizzie didn’t take up the hatchet herself (the timeline doesn’t work for that), but the murders couldn’t have happened without her cooperation.

[@juliaoconnor5798]

@skokian1able I agree with you. I think there was some sort of premeditation & that Lizzie herself didn't physically do it but that it was planned & she was involved in that planning.

[@lynn2574]

Yep, agree. But I think Uncle John may have helped set it up to keep the money out of step mom’s family.

[@juliaoconnor5798]

The other interesting aspect, of course, is if it was believed Lizzie didn't do it or was involved in what happened. Why was there no serious man hunt done to find who did do it. Which to me is very telling.

[@christinelette9943]

Her illegitimate brother who had been hitting Andrew up for money.

[@Itried20takennames]

“Why burn a dress?” It was fairly common to burn household trash then. But kind of agree that odd, even if had “paint” on it, as fabric was more expensive then and usually not wasted, with older women’s dresses turned into kids clothing, or quilts, or for clothes repair.

[@valeriegordon3000]

Or for cleaning rags.

[@cindyo.938]

Except they were wealthy

[@clarangakoana2634]

​@cindyo.938 if they were no longer using old clothes they donated them to churches or given to the help .the burning was suspicious to be honest

[@annamariapiotrowicz511]

the dress lizzy burn is the one that accidently got paint on it or did lizzy still have her peried at age 32 and used that same dress got blood on it didn't find a way to wash it have other dress she could use without though it out in trash/land fill lizzy just burn

[@2WOLFS]

But, again Lizzy hated being seen a a poorer member of the Borden family. And again remember she had a deep set anger that knowone seem to really know why, just anger.

[@eunicestone6532]

I love the version with Elizabeth Montgomery. Come to find out they are distant cousins.

[@georgealexander7645]

I believe her uncle, her mother's brother, definitely did it, his excuse where he was was not strong and he very much disliked his brother in law. She may have known, may even been in on it but she was made the dupe and was drugged before and during the trial, probably was in shock. 🤔

[@FOX007-um1wr]

Oh heck yes, I agree. Elizabeth Montgomery is a awesome actress. She played the part perfectly.

[@mousemd]

I have suspicions that John did it. The girls may have known. His alibi, he was visiting relatives. It isn't unheard of to have people lie for you. There were no witnesses except for the victims who can't speak

[@Dion-rz3fz]

@@FOX007-um1wr I liked EM in Bewitched, but I just could not get into her as Lizzie Borden. She does not even remotely look like Lizzie. And her mannerisms and such just don't seem right to me when I am imagining Lizzie. To each his own I guess.

[@kevinmalone3210]

That version was morbid, so was the music that accompanied it. There was another movie made about this case, with Christina Ricci as Lizzie that's much better.

[@katrinascreationscrafting]

I read several books that stated that Lizzie Borden was a kleptomaniac and the shopkeepers that she stole from would quietly be paid by her father. She also claimed to be in the barn attic looking for lead sinkers for fishing, yet the dust on the floor of the attic was undisturbed. The books also claimed that after she and Emma moved to Maplecroft, Lizzie befriended an actress that had a bad reputation and that the actress and her friends were partying at the house and that Emma possibly left due to this.

[@annamariapiotrowicz511]

it could be true that lizzy had no fun and start to shoplift/steal to save money to buy her own little house on the hill

[@fourofcats5803]

My understanding is that there’s no proof of Lizzie having stolen. (I’m not quarreling with you, but with the authors of those books.)

[@katrinascreationscrafting]

​@@fourofcats5803 I was curious about it, too. I was reading an article that claimed in 1897 a jewelry store in Providence accused LIzzie of stealing 2 porcelain bowls. Apparently, a woman brought in a bowl for repair and the clerk asked where she had gotten it since it was stolen from the store. The woman said it was given to her by Lizzie. The police found the second bowl at Maplecroft. Lizzie said that she had bought them. There was no proof that she had stolen them and she had no receipt, so the matter was dropped. Although it made the front pages of 2 local newspapers, further damaging Lizzie's reputation.

[@animalantics5898]

My understanding is, it was an arrangement with Mr. Borden, like a line of credit.

[@donellekokenos5009]

I never understood why there wasn't blood all over the wall in the sitting room. And just because she didn't have blood on her doesn't mean she couldn't have done the murders. She could have changed her dress (the dress that she put in the stove saying it had paint on it). There was always something in her eyes from her pictures that looked crazy like she could snap any moment

[@kentuckylady2990]

There was the sister cleaned it up the next day

[@emo7636]

To be fair, all photos of people from that time period looked creepy.

[@kizzymorgan8255]

I bet if the police knew about the stuff they spray to wear blood is, that whole room of her Father and mother was unalived would have been so creepy to even look at. All those hits (40) hits for the stepmom and (41) for her father.💯😳🪓

[@DonnaDorant]

She burned the dress days later after the police had searched toe residence

[@DonnaDorant]

But they searched the residence that day. So where did she hide it.

[@johnshields6852]

It's not even a question, are you serious, back in those days they didn't think a woman could ever do anything violent. She helped change that notion.

[@juliaoconnor5798]

I think it had to do with her father having money as well as it had only been approximately a 100 yrs since the Salem witch trials & maybe they were overly cautious on accusing her due to the influence of what happened during the Salem witch trials.

[@JuliaSugarbaker]

​@@juliaoconnor5798 It's clear that you pressed send☝️ without researching. 🤣😂 Your history / dates are waaay off !! 🤔 You sound like a very poor student 🙄

[@kevinmalone3210]

She inadvertently advanced women's lib.

[@siobhansweeney7376]

Lizzie Borden & Aileen Wournos

[@amywebb4586]

Bridgit wasn't "nicknamed" Maggie. They called her Maggie after a previous maid. They didn't want to be bothered with learning a new name so they called her by the one they were familiar with.

[@angelanova9732]

I’ve heard that. I’ve also heard that the name “Maggie” was a common derogatory name for an Irish maid (remember, Irish and most roman catholics were looked down on at this time) and at this time, it was very common for Irish women to be maids for wealthy families); regardless of the true reasoning (whether it was refusal to learn the new maid’s name, or just a common racial slur at the time; I could argue that it was derogatory either way; no matter which theory you subscribe to).

[@micaelamorrigan2544]

Yeah, i thought it was weird when they said her nickname was maggie. It's not even close to her name. Makes more sense now.

[@mikebeesley5458]

​@@angelanova9732ha!

[@chrisnanopoulos9905]

@@angelanova9732You have it backwards. “Bridget” or Biddy was actually the derogatory term for an Irish maid. Emma and Lizzy actually called the maid “Maggie”, because of that.

[@chrisnanopoulos9905]

That’s not the reason. “Bridget” or Biddy was the derogatory term for Irish maids in the 19th century. They called her “Maggie” out of respect. They thought of the maid as an equal friend.

[@glascala105]

I think she did it but...there is zero evidence of harming animals. She even left a sizeable amount of her money to animal welfare and had a dog she loved dearly.

[@PattyMarshall-l8v]

Lizzie also loved cats and birds.

[@aprilsunflower7440]

I also put that in a comment. I believe she did the murders but I don't believe she hurt any animals.

[@callanightshade8079]

She also loved dogs. After her acquittal she has two pet dogs that she always took out for walks and let them run in an open field

[@chrispict42]

She was doomed to spinsterdom by her parents ...so. Was there a lack of men there? Was it Lesbianism?

[@DonnaDorant]

That is true. I have never heard any mention of her harming animals in the books I have read. Still gotta wonder though if she did where did she dispose of the weapon and the blood stained clothes. Those are the two things that have always bothered me.😊

[@donnaedelen1199]

Lizzie was guilty, but back then, a woman from an upstanding family, with no past crimes or sign of severe mental illness (most likely the study of psychology was not fully developed) , would never have been thought to be a killer... Today, it would be a very strong case of circumstantial evidence.. Lizzie was jealous of the relatives that lived "on the hill" that had a higher class lifestyle and felt cheated... Her sister Emma was not involved. Lizzie set the stage earlier that week to make it look like someone was "out to get" her family..a documentary I saw on this crime mentioned that Mr. Borden's coat was found folded under his head.. Family and friends said Andrew was very meticulous about his clothing, he would have never used his coat as a pillow to lie down and rest and Lizzie supposedly had staged a burglary where Abby's jewelry was taken. This act was to put the thought in the policeman's head that someone had been in the house previously that month.

[@blacktigress15]

also it was summer and the coat Mr.Borden was laying on was a winter coat. That's what Lizzy covered up with. Her father was already covered in blood. Perfect hiding place.

[@micaelamorrigan2544]

No past crimes? What about the stealing?

[@micaelamorrigan2544]

Well, if he was meticulous about his clothing then he probably wouldn't want to use the coat that he goes out in everyday for work. Hence, the winter coat would make more sense. It's more plush and it can be cleaned before he needs to use it again.

[@carolbarraclough8714]

Excellent documentary!!

[@anastasiabeaverhausen516]

I'm going to Fall River to the Bordon House in June with my husband. He's interested in seeing if it's haunted, I want to see everything else!

[@Theaddora]

I envy you! My husband believed in ghosts and liked to visit haunted sites, like I did. The friend I travel with now doesn't, and I miss having a ghostly companion. 😀

[@Angel-xd9lt]

I went to see the Lizzie Borden house and went on their tour of the house..

[@michaelremillard2215]

Don't forget Oak Grove Cemetery, and Fall River Historical Society Museum. Also Lizzy 's second home on French st. Maplecroft. ( it's a private residence)

[@Yennefer_Of_Vengerberg--1266]

He is very foolish to seek that kind of activity out .

[@christinelette9943]

If any house has a right to be.... Andrew and Abbie weren't the first Bordens to die on that property. Before them there were two children... I'll have to go back for details but I seem to remember reading Andrew had a relative with a family ans something happened to the children

[@ameliapotter627]

I liked the acting and reconstructions, but I’m not sure how legit this documentary is. I’ve never heard that Lizzie harmed animals before. Plus I find it strange they didn’t mention Maggie’s alibi about seeing Lizzie wearing an unstained blue dress (an apron definitely wouldn’t have protected her dress if she did at least a total of 30 blows with an axe, she would have been covered). Also I’m pretty sure that the uncle, John Morse, had a different alibi to what is mentioned in this video. I had heard from different sources that his alibi was that he was out visiting a doctor, yet the doctor he claimed to be visiting was the very same doctor who was currently at the Borden residence looking over the bodies of Andrew and Amy Borden….so how could he have visited him? I like the theory that Maggie and Lizzie were romantically involved and planned to use each other as an alibi. Personally, I lean more towards it being John.

[@AngiePhilbeck]

Her clothes wouldn't have been covered in blood if she took them off first then washed up before she redressed

[@ameliapotter627]

@@AngiePhilbeck yes, but back then, women needed help with getting dressed and undressed due to their corsets etc. There it no way she would have been able to get changed solely by herself.

[@MsLucia4179]

@@ameliapotter627 I seriously doubt she would have been wearing a corset around the house, let alone to do cleaning chores. Corsets were (and technically still are) meant as status symbols for social events. There's a lot of conflicting reports of the day in question and it's never actually described as to what Lizzie was wearing that day. She could have very well changed her clothes long before authorities arrived as the only people in the house at the time of the murders were Lizzie, the maid and the victims. I don't know what your source is for John's alibi is but the all the one's I've come across state that he went to the post office and then went visiting a niece and nephew, including his documented testimony in court. Meanwhile, Bridget (the maid's actual name) and Lizzie can't even keep their stories straight. Forensics believe Abby was dead and visible on the second floor by time Andrew came home around 10:30am. Bridget claims she opened the door for him, heard Lizzie laughing on the second floor, then assisted him to the couch and proceeded to go to her room and take a nap on the third floor. I'd be more convinced Lizzie did it and Bridget covered for her. Lizzie certainly had motive without Bridget's involvement but it would have been plausible the two could have been romantically involved albeit that's just speculation, however that would give Bridget a motive as that would have been highly frowned upon during that time era.

[@antdell8730]

I have been looking for this episode for the longest time ❤. I believe that Lizzie was as guilty as can be.

[@dalestaley5637]

Shrewd business man = ruthless, cheap, cruel

[@kevinmalone3210]

I think that was part of the problem. He was kind of a skin flint. No real indoor plumbing for bathrooms, and no electric lights. If he would've been more generous, and lived a better lifestyle, don't think Lizzie would've whacked him.

[@annfisher3316]

😂 Every time "down by the river," is said l see SNL's Chris Farley talking about his van and hitching up his pants. 😂 RIP Chris

[@CherokeeBird]

😂💯

[@VaderPopsVicodin10]

Indeed.. and here, it's spoken more times than once! 😆

[@christinelette9943]

That had to be intentional

[@a.d.mitchell2613]

What did Chris Farley got to do with Lizzie Borden story

[@a.d.mitchell2613]

?????????

[@neneshubby]

This is one of the least mysterious mysteries that has ever endured. Of course she killed them. There’s really practically no doubt about it. The only reason it’s perceived is such a mystery is people just didn’t think a woman capable of that type of gruesome crime back in that day

[@robertvysther833]

I agree. She had the motive.

[@Lizzyjaeger]

agreed. it’s a “mystery”

[@Wandererandkazuha]

Well I guess we can put Jack the Ripper in this category cause that's one for the mystery books..lol

[@Dion-rz3fz]

Well, it is still considered a mystery, even though we know women can be that cruel. So that is not what makes it a mystery.

[@micaelamorrigan2544]

Oh, they've always thought women could be violent. Hence the Salem Witch Trial victims were nearly all women.

[@CORLEONESPORTS97]

those killings were personal i doubt someone off street just murdered them

[@robertvysther833]

True, and the blows to these victims was very brutal and it showed hatred.

[@kevinmalone3210]

They were very personal. She had the motive, and the opportunity, so she took it.

[@suemcgregor9248]

No, definitely not. This was someone with an axe to grind ( pardon the pun )

[@kevinmalone3210]

​@@suemcgregor9248Yes, she had an axe to grind, and that was Lizzie with the axe!

[@annamariapiotrowicz511]

if lizzie didn't do it the only person i can think of is he couis or is it uncle john from her fathe's side of family?

[@crystalwashington9739]

I find it funny how all the men think she didn’t do it but all the women know the deal 😭😭😭

[@brynnesantos9817]

I noticed that, too.

[@valkelley72]

🎉v😅

[@louisemerriman1079]

@@valkelley72 😆😆😆😆

[@jensmith7331]

Right?! Plus her attorney was the ex-governor of MA who appointed the judge 🙄

[@oliviablackburn3907]

I don't think she did it either though and I'm a woman. Lol. Or atleast I have doubts that she did it.

[@catherineaiello7136]

Lizzie definitely did it. Wanting to be like the other Borden’s is motive enough. Also, from what I understand, when electricity came to town and everyone else had it, Mr. Borden absolutely refused it which upset her greatly.

[@finalflowerchild]

I would have gone crazy in that house.

[@BobMoore-sn3rz]

When you want everything for yourself you end up losing everything ,her heart is full of evil

[@monicastricker3582]

The family maid moved to Montana and settled in Anaconda. Her house is still lived in.

[@kevinmalone3210]

Think so. She was giggling after whacking Ms Borden to death.

[@OtelliSandrina]

She had her reasons maybe they were awfull persons..

[@pennykloter1614]

My brother stayed at the Lizzy Boardin house overnight. It is now a paranormal hotspot with the new home owners. My brother told me that his bed began to shake around 3:00 a.m. He also said that the room he was in (Abby's room) had developed a smell of rotten meat. At night, the room he was in suddenly had an infestation of large flys. My brother wasn't able to open the window. He made it through the night, but most of the other guests have fled in the middle of the night. The remaining guests compared stories from their overnight stay. My brother wants to go back there with me but I said "No way"!! We don't live far from the Bordan House.

[@andreaschalipp1993]

Das ist ja gruselig was, sie dort erlebt haben 😳

[@cindy-followerofjesuschris6572]

Demons.

[@tammyblack2747]

Brigette was not nicknamed Maggie. Maggie was the name of their previous maid.

[@sjanimations09]

Thank you for putting a video of Lizzie Borden, Martha Place and Ada Leboeuf on Deadly women too.

[@rocioayala7349]

I believe she did do it but it wasn't she didn't do it alone there were rumors that Lizzie and the maid were romantically involved and there was some evidence that Lizzie did had a crush on a performing actress at a local performing theater. It kind of made sense since how could the maid not hear the commotion?

[@mariecourtney7672]

not to mention the 90min gap between the murders

[@lauragodinho5379]

@@mariecourtney7672what 90 min gap?

[@terridemaio7334]

Love the music

[@CosmicIntelJet]

30:00 I know it’s not a funny situation, but the child actors are hilarious. 😂 ❤ They killed it!

[@mariaimperatricedamore1639]

I so love padt, historical cases. Thank you

[@nlwilson4892]

She would have needed more than an apron to stop the blood getting onto her dress, it would have been all over the arms. That said, I can't see who else it could have been.

[@Swansong321]

Some reports say she took her clothes off for the deed?!shockingly!

[@jewels3895]

And hair

[@rogerwilson7065]

Here's my thoughts. It's August so its really hot. If you look at the photo of her father. Look by his head theres pillows , but behind the pillow over the arn of the couch is a coat. Why it's 90 degrees outside. If Lizzy was wearing it the coat would have kept her clothes clean. Then she carefully takes it off folds it and places it between the pillows and the arm rest. The police most likely assumed it was there at the time of the killing.

[@xrockker]

Yeah, that was the version in the movie with Elizabeth Montgomery. ​@@Swansong321

[@xrockker]

That's why she burned her dress, probably. 😮

[@juliogonzalez6722]

She was 1000% guilty. She was only acquitted because she was a woman. If you study the circumstances, motive and opportunity, only she fits the bill.

[@juliogonzalez6722]

Also, Bridget the maid was definitely in on the job.

[@brynnesantos9817]

42:55 - That is a powerful statement. Now they're on the hill for the rest of eternity.

[@duke3326]

Money is thicker than blood.

[@mariaimperatricedamore1639]

Even today

[@angelanova9732]

Unfortunately true.

[@electrocreep]

Yup that's true... If money is involve then u will see the true colors if people around u

[@tracycraft2971]

I’m seeing a lot of conjectures here..such as, how do we know the step mother tired and tried to have a relationship with Lizzie and Emma? We don’t know what happened behind closed doors! How do we know Lizzie told her father her step mother was away visiting a friend? She may have had motive and a lot of animosity toward her step mother and her father for giving property to others, but unless she covered her hair somehow, there is no way she would have had time to wash herself and wash and dry her hair! So many things just don’t add up, so I’m not convinced Lizzie did it!

[@Tawroset]

It really is a mystery how someone could commit such violent murders and not be covered in blood. But there was no sign of blood ANYWHERE except around the bodies. So no matter who did it , they escaped being covered in gore. Which means that the lack of obvious stains applies to everyone, not just Lizzie.

[@jmoliere1207]

not to menchon mjor hight diss advantige becuse her step motehr was 6 4 it would hve been hard for lizzie no matter how inraged to drop her mother with one hit from an ax

[@petejames1326]

another beautiful episode for my viewing pleasure

[@lamontbills2842]

She did it and got away with it and it was all for the money

[@Itried20takennames]

She only partly got away with it. She craved being accepted into the town’s wealthy society, many of which were distant members of her own family, as back then socializing was a main pastime. But invitations were always returned with excuses of why people could not come, and no one invited her over. She was essentially shunned.

[@Yennefer_Of_Vengerberg--1266]

She got away with it because they gave her morphine before even asking questions .

[@babykelly321]

She technically did a yr in jail it’s not enough but she still didn’t get away with it bc now she has to live a life of ppl who think she guilty and probably be shunned

[@Dion-rz3fz]

Actually, she was just stubborn. She could have avoided the shunning by moving away. Even if she had to leave the country, she had the money! She could have gone to Europe. No one would know who she was.

[@shenawmorales]

Detectives sprayed luminal in the basement by an old washtub and it lit up like a Christmas tree with blood after all these years. She did it and then bathed.

[@lauragodinho5379]

Where did you see this info?

[@micaelamorrigan2544]

​@@gladiatorslangerthey sprayed luminol in more recent times. And it still glowed.

[@micaelamorrigan2544]

How would it still glow when they would have cleaned that tub a million times over since the time of the murders?

[@gladiatorslanger]

@@micaelamorrigan2544 exactly they started using luminal two years later ik wasn't any traces of blood showing

[@EdithCardellini]

I remember loving this episode when it came out, especially since they dedicated an entire episode to the case. It's one of my favorite episodes. I've always believed Lizzie indeed committed the murders.

[@biggrldes150]

Me too

[@mariaimperatricedamore1639]

Yes, very likely

[@anthonytroisi6682]

I saw an old movie that blamed Emma. Significantlly,, Abbie had to die first for the girls to inherit.

[@Tawroset]

Emma was miles away, visiting friends, when the murders occurred. There was no way she could have returned to Fall River, killed the Bordens (90 minutes apart) and got back without her absence being noticed.

[@anthonytroisi6682]

@@Tawroset I do not believe Emma actually did it. In the beginning, she probably believed in Lizzie's innocence. She may have developed doubts later.

[@robertschwarz603]

There was an episode of alfred hitchcock presents. It was said emma was the killer. Since emma was emotionally disturbed Lizzie took the brunt to save her sister. That Lizzie sent her away.

[@Lauren-cq8gz]

The men think she’s innocent and the women think she’s guilty. Interesting. I wonder if it’s because the idea that someone was treated so badly after the trial, we hope was guilty, so she was punished in some way. If she wasn’t guilty, the woman was punished 4 times over, by losing her father, being prosecuted, being ostracised by everyone, and then being abandoned by her sister. Just desserts for a murderer, but for an innocent woman, pretty harsh.

[@OtelliSandrina]

And it's been said she didn't like men.....

[@guadalupeeg5034]

There's evidence; she stole the ax from the store. And the doors were locked, so it had to be someone inside the house.

[@DipDuckDive]

She didn’t steal anything

[@guadalupeeg5034]

@@DipDuckDive Yes. She did.

[@DipDuckDive]

@@guadalupeeg5034 nope. She didn’t. She was accused, but was dropped due to a clerical error. She was always up to date on her books

[@guadalupeeg5034]

@@DipDuckDive There are accounts on her about being a cleptomaniac, and her father had a agreement with the store owned to put everything she'd get on his tab. He did this because he knew she would take things and wanted to cover her so people would not be taking about her in a negative way.

[@DipDuckDive]

@@guadalupeeg5034 no. No that’s incorrect. She had accounts at stores. You’re just regurgitating unsubstantiated gossip

[@kristenelliott2881]

I really think she did it but I can not get over how she got all that blood off of her, folks it would have gotten all over her dress, her skin, and her hair. She would have had to change her clothes, and scrub her skin, and her hair, that would have been A LOT of blood!

[@jessica_jam4386]

If anyone knows how to clean up blood, it is going to be women. I learned how to rinse with cold and then hot water when I got my period when I was 12 yrs old. And that’s in an era where I had period hygiene products. Lizzy lived in the era where they used torn rags and women would’ve been used to having to wash that out of fabric and probably other surfaces if there was a leak.

[@lifeissweet9826]

I read a book about all this, and the author said Emma did it.

[@Dion-rz3fz]

@@jessica_jam4386 Thanks for the TMI. I really enjoyed hearing about your, shall we say, personal issues!

[@jessica_jam4386]

@@Dion-rz3fz thanks for commenting on it, you had to after all.

[@Dion-rz3fz]

@@jessica_jam4386 Yes, a sad commentary about how far down we have come. No one would have even brought something like that up years ago! Rethink what you discuss. Thanks.

[@catcadenza2493]

Those Borden girls were spoiled brats

[@electrocreep]

Yup imagine they didn't have to work for the rest of their lives bcoz of their father they are well taken care of but Lizzie wanted to live on the hill she is not contented with what she had I think the resentment started when Andrew bought the house for Sarah haft sister of Abby

[@VictoriaWalters-g6q]

If Emma was part of it and offered Lizza half of the inheritance if she killed Abby and her Dad,it makes since

[@rocknroll20024]

But didn't emma leave after the trial and never spoke to lizzie again?

[@animalantics5898]

That was several years after.

[@robinplante9560]

I visited the house in 2011. Took the tour. It was fascinating. I didn’t experience anything paranormal but the tour guide said that she did every once in a while. I was hoping to go back there and spend the night but that didn’t happen. The cemetery that the family is buried in is huge.

[@catherinesquires8743]

Ive watched countless documentaries on this subject. This is the first one that mentioned her harming animals as a young girl?

[@Emily-Whitfield]

I don't believe she killed animals! She loved them!!

[@Dion-rz3fz]

I know, I wonder where they got that?

[@mimix2269]

Her sister Emma (mother figure) left and never spoke to Lizzie again. I suspect she knew what lizzie had done.

[@Tawroset]

Something definitely shook Emma. She consulted her pastor, and whatever Emma told him clearly worried him. He advised Emma to pack her bags and leave at once. Emma did, and the sisters never spoke again.

[@mimix2269]

Of course you are right. And Emma willed her estate to friends even though her only living relative ‘lizzie’ was still alive. I also read a wonderful book written by a lawyer who’d met with Abby’s family members (I can’t remember the authors name but he’d done great research and I’ll try to find the book (I have 1000’s) that Emma did move to the house up the hill and moved out soon after! I bet she was sleeping with one eye open! Also the cat story was mentioned in the book. Abby’s relative told that story!

[@sarabachmann2837]

Of all the documentaries and books that I've looked at, what I concluded is that Lizzie Borden was a spoiled brat that could have easily kept the house that her father gave her and done her own thing as a spinster, but was greedy and jealous of her father and step mother.

[@SherylBatcher]

Lizzie

[@SherylBatcher]

Lizzie borden

[@NymeriaNorth]

She was a spoiled brat, yes. But if Andrew died before Abby, then Abby and her family would have inherited everything. Lizzie and Emma would have been destitute.

[@johcal26]

In the words of Dr. Grande.. I believe Lizzie was guilty in reality, but she was not guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

[@TrueCrimeTalkWithTaves]

lizzie borden took an axe and gave her mother 40 wacks and when she saw what she had done she gave her father 41 she was angry af 😂

[@orionxtc1119]

EVIL AF

[@ChantalsCritters]

Great coverage

[@debbieprivett1880]

On an episode of Psychic Kids they said she did not do it.

[@markdauber6073]

Lizzie ABSOLUTELY did it. She had many motives, and was INSANE enough to do it. HATRED can be very violent, as we all know.

[@jenniferbarnwell6592]

The kids singing about Lizzie Borden took an 🪓

[@lindam5971]

I'm not 100% sure she's guilty. I know alot of things were pointing towards Lizzie but I'm just not so sure. It's too convenient. Where is the axe for one. I also think that the father was not supposed to get killed. He came home unbeknown to the people of the house. Also, it's quite weird for an unconvicted killer to stay in town. Or so one would think.

[@janetpugliesi3203]

I feel bad for the second Mrs Borden...She did try and try but was rejected...😢

[@tracycraft2971]

Not so sure she did. We don’t know what was really going on behind closed doors.

[@kevinmalone3210]

She certainly didn't deserve to get hacked to death.

[@Tawroset]

I agree. Poor Abby gets no love, then or now.

[@fokkerd3red618]

She would have known before she married Andrew what she could expect from his daughters.

[@jmoliere1207]

@@tracycraft2971 we know the lizze did at one time like her step mom but it was emma that turned her agenst her

[@susanhowe163]

BACK IN THOSE DAYS AND EVEN NOW WHEN THE LAW FOCUSES ITS SUSPICIONS ON A PERSON AND WOULDN'T LOOK AT ANYONE ELSE AND TOO MANY TIMES PEOPLE ARE PROSECUTED WHILE THE ACTUAL PERP IS LIVING THE LIFE 😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢

[@CherokeeBird]

She may have been SA'd by her father. I mean, neither sister ever married, which was odd for the times. 🤔

[@successfulMillennial]

Or.... she's just an entitled selfish, greedy murderer

[@gracebailey5989]

That doesnt mean they were molested. It was probably because they high standards (too high for where they lived) or their father would chase off suitors

[@Tawroset]

A lot of people share your suspicions. Including profiler John Douglas.

[@cynthiacarter514]

IMO, social rules at the time did not permit the girls to marry beneath them.

[@jmoliere1207]

not really in tht time the father had to ok to date or merry there father would not

[@NobleLady2024]

I wonder if it would have made a difference if Andrew Borden had given his daughters an inheritance while he was still alive? Then they wouldn’t be worried about Abby leaving them in poverty after he died.

[@VictoriaWalters-g6q]

Even with the apron she would have blood on her sleeves.

[@TippyPuddles]

It was never determined that it was actually her looking for the pressic acid.

[@kevinmalone3210]

Eyewitness accounts during the trial mentioned she tried to buy it.

[@DonnaDorant]

Did Andrew have a will? Why did Emma get the whole inheritance? Why didn't Andrew split it between the two girls?

[@Theaddora]

I never heard that either.

[@Tawroset]

Apparently Emma inherited the bulk of Andrew's estate, since she was the older sister. But she used part of the inheritance to pay for Lizzie's very expensive legal fees, and after Lizzie's acquittal, Emma generously shared the Borden inheritance with her.

[@brittany3247]

Maybe Lizzie and Bridget did it together

[@SherylBatcher]

Remember lizzie was foun not guilty

[@westzed23]

This video does not present all the facts. The rumors of Lizzie killing animals as a child is just that, a rumor. She loved animals and left part of her estate to the local humane society. After moving to the hill the locals did ostracize Lizzie but she was not a lonely spinster. She befriended several actors and astists who visited her and attended her parties. This seemed to be what caused the rift with her sister who did not like to socialize with such bohemians. As for if Lizzie did commit the murders, there seems to be no plausible way that she could have done it. I don't know that an accomplice could have done it. They were very lucky if there was another person did help. The father came home early which was unexpected, and after the neighbour knew what happened and the doctor was on his way they had a young neighbour guard the back of the house because they thought a murderer was running around. Will we ever know what truly happened?

[@courtneylomax5180]

I've been looking for this for ages

[@philip2010]

They never had enough proof to convict her she didn't have the best relationship with her father but that doesn't mean she killed her parents and a jury found her innocent

[@Tawroset]

"Not guilty". Not " innocent ".

[@deboraadkins-smith2092]

Lizzy is innocent!! She was found innocent ! Why os people still trying to make her guilty ?? Slander !! She never killed them! Uncle John owed Andrew money. I say it was him John! If Lizzy was that damaged she would of killed them at a younger age. Smh

[@phillipstroll7385]

I agree that she was innocent, but not on who did it. Let us not forget there was the exact same murders committed all over that area. The man was caught in the act and a surviving woman whom he attacked with a hatchet 29 times identified him. The problem, the man was an illegal immigrant. He was the nephew of the milkman. There was outrage against the illegals at that time because everyone came here legally. Let us not forget in order to get through Ellis Island one had to prove they could read, write and speak English; could provide for themselves, could work, was healthy. To do it illegaly or every other humans health and finances at risk. So a deal was made to deport the man, the milk man paid handsomely to provide for the surviving female and all the victims children. Add to that, the first officers on scene stated lizzie absolutely could not have committed the murders and so too the first doctor on scene.

[@samanthahicks3333]

I don't think she did it. There would have been blood all over her. Blood is not easy to clean up, and head wounds produce so much blood.

[@Tawroset]

No, Lizzie was found "not guilty" which is NOT the same thing as innocent. The entire jury was composed of men. Lizzie was the daughter of a prominent local citizen. Of course they couldn't face up to the fact that a well brought up young lady could commit such horrific murders. Furthermore, a lot of very damning evidence was excluded, which greatly weakened the case against her. Lizzie got very very lucky.

[@jmoliere1207]

@@phillipstroll7385 she was also a foot shorter the nher stepmom

[@purrdiggle1470]

Who locked the front door? And if they routinely kept it locked, why didn't Lizzie's father have his own key?

[@roxh90]

Lizzie Borden is my 7th cousin and personally I think she did it.

[@Theaddora]

She's my 29th cousin, and I agree.

[@janetobrien947]

My great uncle “Will Gifford “ testified at the trial. He was my mom’s first uncle via her father’s side. The fact Uncle Will was in any way involved was a huge family secret and shame and was never to be spoken of, but my mom told me after the movie with Elizabeth Montgomery was aired. I just thought it fascinating that he testified. I looked the trial up back in the 90’s, and found the transcripts online. Sure enough his name was listed among the witnesses. I don’t know what he testified to, but he did own an apothecary in Fall River. “Gifford’s Apothecary”. In one documentary or other, I saw a photo of some men posing right in front of it, the name emblazoned on the glass storefront in bold letters. Interestingly, Lizzie’s seamstress’s name was also Gifford, but I know of no concrete fact that she was, in any way related to my mom’s family. Another small coincidence (though in no way connected to this story), I now live at an Assisted Living facility in Swansea, Massachusetts, one town over from Fall River. I’ve never seen the house, myself. Maybe someday. 😅😅

[@tracycraft2971]

Wow! Would be interesting to know what he testified to!

[@Katarina-yq2qo]

She is my 38 cousin

[@joseluvs69]

She's my first cousin

[@pathamm5834]

She really wanted more out of life and she seems to have blamed her stepmother & father that she couldn’t live where she wants or spend money the way she wants. They said she was a kleptomaniac and stole all the time . If it wasn’t Lizzie , why was she so arrogant and stay around a place where everyone ( or almost all ) thinks you killed your father & stepmother . If she didn’t do it , you’d want to get as far away as possible to try to lead a normal life. They said she partied and was so was arrogant about it

[@lazarusdouvos]

the poor kitten getting axed

[@dvangils227]

Dont forget the birds 😢

[@PattyMarshall-l8v]

I don't think Lizzie killed any cats. She loved animals, including cats. The stray cats being fed at their house were cared for by Lizzie. Later at Maplecroft, Lizzie had several pet cats.

[@aprilsunflower7440]

​@@PattyMarshall-l8vshe also left money to an organization to help animals

[@Nizhonibearcreek]

@@PattyMarshall-l8vdoesn’t mean it wasn’t an accident .

[@Only_In_America_SY]

Why would she call out to Maggie first? Why not call out to her Stepmother? She must have already known only Maggie was alive, and she killed both her father, and step mother. I don't care how much you don't like your stepmother, she would be the person next you would call out to, not the Maid. She also could have run out of the house, or instantly call the police, not just randomly call for Maggie, who is insignificant in relationship to Lizze. Another fun fact, Lizzie Borden is actually a distant cousin of actress Elizabeth Montgomery.

[@javiermori1710]

She didnt call out for the stepmother because she "allegedly" was not home and went to a friends house who was sick or ill. There was a note for the stepmother asking if she could go to a house to assist the ill friend. However that note was never found so very likely Lizzie just fabricated that story.

[@terridemaio7334]

I Always thought she Got Away with it I saw two Different movies on this one with Elizabeth Montgomery the original one

[@kerrywebb2651]

One man said there was no evidence, another man said that she couldn't do this heinous crime. I agree with the ladies. Only Lizzie had the means, modive, and opportunity. The police did a bad job of investigating. I also believe she was a psychopath and started her thirst for killing as a child by killing animals.

[@megmcclellan8221]

i think her sister was mastermind..had something on lizzie..manipulated her,,she left knowing had an alibi.

[@robertvysther833]

Your theory has merit. They both gained wealth by the deaths.

[@jmoliere1207]

@@robertvysther833 and emme aslo told someone during lizzies trial that she would never be convicted

[@annadudziak7057]

THIS HORRID PART OF HISTORY BROKE ME MY HART TOO LIKE HOW COULD THEY DO THIS AND THINK I CAN GET AWAY WITH IT NO WAY 😭😔 RIP TO ALL LIVES CAUSE IT'S HART SINKING 💔 WHY RESPECT TO ALL LIVES

[@kevinmalone3210]

No need to shout. Typing in caps is the equivalent of shouting online. Everyone can still read your message without typing in bold caps. Hart, spelled Heart.

[@michellelovitte8455]

I cannot help but think that the uncle was guilty.

[@katherinecollins4685]

Presented well

[@BobbyFarmer-l9f]

I would have taken my money and moved far away.

[@SayianRace]

I believe John Morse did it cause he came to the Borden house without a suitcase or anything with him so I think that John Morse murdered Abby and Andrew Borden.

[@davidobrien5071]

A new house in Fall River at that time was about 1,200. dollars

[@kathrynbillinghurst188]

Yay 🎊 🎊 😁🎉🎉

[@LRowe-e1x]

Love Deadly women.

[@thekingtroll2]

I had morphine in the hospital. Morphine does not make you lie or delusional. It made me feel painfree and peaceful. The other version had actress Elizabeth Montgomery portray Lizzie and how she murdered her parents and got away with it.

[@PinkPixie-ix8wi]

It knocked me out. Granted I was 7 lol

[@irawilliams343]

If Andrew Borden had been more attentive to his daughters' needs, maybe this entire incident could have been avoided.

[@marypaquette8705]

You are wrong with so many things with this story😮

[@vincentferrigno2767]

Great question, if not lizzie, then who!! A question that has gone unanswered for all these years, and no one at all has come forth to even attempt to answer it.

[@kentuckylady2990]

The uncle was some how involved

[@jmoliere1207]

he cleaned up or told them how to as he was a bucher

[@jilliansaturn8946]

I live in the town that Emma Borden lived in after she left Fall River, and I've been in the house. It's such an unassuming house, right on a main road. A close high school friend from the town ended up moving to Fall River in the 00s. No one asked and I have no point, I just always found it a weird coincidence. XD

[@tanyaphilstrom7077]

She was 2 when she lost her mom. Why didnt she bond to the stepmother? Emma may have something to do with that. How old was Emma when her mom died?

[@roseroserose2403]

12

[@rockerbob949]

My father grew up in the Fall River area and my great aunt is buried in the same cemetery as Liz Beth!

[@joshsmith4512]

modern phorensics she wouldve been caught with no question. the photos are enough. if a stranger came in and did this there would be blood trails going up the and down the stairs and out the door. she did it , not really a question

[@mindyutz1176]

I thought she did it, until I heard about the timing with the uncle.

[@sophiegeorge2816]

She did it. She knew she did it. Everyone knew she did it Just because she got her freedom after her dad and stepmum died she was never really free Even if she had served a prison sentence she would have never been free

[@kevinmalone3210]

Guilty as charged! Being a woman helped her escape justice. Back in those days it wasn't thought a woman, especially of her status, could be capable of committing such an evil act. Lizzie had to know her Father's routine. That he would come home in the afternoon, at a certain time, and he wouldn't go upstairs. Since Lizzie had to know this, she knew the right time she could whack Mrs Borden, wait for her Father to get home, then whack him when the opportunity presented itself.

[@torim1233]

I can't understand why she stayed in Fall River.

[@ybunnygurl]

I'm not a huge fan of the way this is written Mr Borden was very cheap with money and he prevented Lizzie from courting. My grandfather knew all about his great uncle. And the Borden men of that line were horrible abusive people.

[@robertvysther833]

I agree with the women. Follow the money. Another point, the women know how women would act, especially a woman who has grievance.

[@mybooks1733]

Lizzie's dream is to live on top of the hill well she got her dream

[@kevinmalone3210]

She had to bump off her stepmother and father first.