LL Cool J Most Important Rapper To Ever Live ? | "He's Not Wrong"

[@ShadowElohim]

You can literally throw a party with strictly LL songs

[@Joey_Lance]

Exactly.

[@KHY_001]

Yeah if you are 40 and up

[@calcutlass]

My mom can for sure

[@Dantana773]

I agree.

[@ShadowElohim]

@@KHY_001 smh kids never understand anything worth anything

[@khoisantsu5907]

LL Rocked that Jordan 1s on that album cover and it was UP!

[@PREEM513]

LL Cool J is the prototype. He is in every rapper’s DNA. He done a lot of first. He had the first mainstream battles in rap, he was 16 when he started, every album platinum, first rap mainstream love song, and many more. Just like you can say Ice Cube is in every West coast rappers DNA.

[@hviii7452]

LL was 16 when “Radio” dropped…

[@tony4534]

Rakim.

[@oophorror2251]

Been saying this since 2005. Once he went platinum 20 years in it was undeniable. At that time only Beastie Boys had managed to drop classics that long.

[@TheShadow84]

The fact they have to bring up a dead 25 year old 28 years later in these convos shows how great Pac was & still is. LL is not wrong about his opinion. The man been out since 84 still "doing it".

[@jayo4282]

Pac has done everything LL has (minus longevity of course) but L literally was THE FIRST to do it. The man is the blueprint. If you were talking a list, mention Pac. If we’re talking about the originator, it’s LL Cool J

[@EjStew06]

Comparing Pac to Cassidy in anything is wild

[@GH-vz3wd]

Not really Cass is a better technical rapper. But in all the other categories not so much that's what he was explaining and he use a very good analogy with curry and basketball

[@Dipset415]

Bra just bars its cass song making its pac by miles

[@TwoH.Q]

Tupac did not set the criteria for how to be successful in the business of rap as much as LL, but his artistry is unmatched by any rapper. Tupac, Stevie Wonder, Bob Dylan, Marvin Gaye, etc. He’s on that level.

[@Kalo986]

Tupac comes from a mixture of CUBE and LL Cool J

[@tony4534]

No he didn’t. Pac didn’t start selling records until 96. Snoop was bigger.

[@barrypeete6450]

Tupac is the most important LL laid out a blueprint

[@tony4534]

Tupac isn’t top 5 most important. He didn’t even start selling records until he went to the label that Snoop made a year before he got himself killed.

[@marlojoubert7269]

Its all about the delivery... and content..

[@henryhudson4965]

LL Cool J made Def Jam and Warren G saved Def Jam let's get it correct 💯 1:59

[@MrEvans47]

That's A Fact😎

[@PatrickJones23]

Calling 2Pac a B+ is nuts smh get mark tfoh

[@NINJA_INVESTORS]

He's absolutely correct

[@PatrickJones23]

@NINJA_INVESTORS in what way? I agree Pac wasn't the most lyrical as far as what typical NYers call lyrical but most his songs had meaning and were impactful. What he lacked in word play n punchline he made up for 10 fold in delivery, message, subject matter, charisma, influence etcc. Pac was A++ 30 years later and he's still arguably #1-3

[@tmitche9]

@@PatrickJones23even though I don’t disagree with you this unfortunately is subjective

[@ShadowElohim]

Its subjective not factual

[@NINJA_INVESTORS]

@@PatrickJones23 That's literally the same point he made

[@theyoungexec1]

My man was on the ropes until that Steph Curry analogy. Great example.

[@travisstormm]

lol i like this comment

[@bigtone1952]

This man had a whole book made out of his lyrics definitely one of the greatest lyricist one of the best with relatable content

[@eklifestyle9142]

Cassidy: Better rapper 2Pac: Better Artist

[@jamesgibson3716]

Agreed 👍👍💯

[@mookieblaelocker6504]

Finally someone who understand context

[@tony4534]

Pac is the better artist and rapper.

[@TheRealMichaelP]

PAC himself would admit he’s not a lyricist

[@WiseKings131]

Joe Budden might be the most culturally relevant podcast out.

[@calltyshon]

I came here looking for an LL topic and they spent the entire time talking about 2pac tf.

[@Chi_Storm_]

So true 😂😂😂

[@Futurelawyer812]

Cassidy has a great video where explains how dope a lyricist Pac was

[@fasttalkslowlisten]

lol the way all three of you have your legs up is CRAZYYYYY

[@brittdaniels7882]

Thank you lol

[@Dkirk215]

One thing for sure that we all can agree is that LL IS A LEGEND AND PIONEER!!

[@Babablunte]

Pac and DMX aren't lyricists, they are phrasists. They make a phrase sound dope but they aren't blowing your mind with punchlines, entendres and metaphors.

[@captain.tell.me.hoe.]

That's some bullsh*t .

[@godofthisshit]

X was a lyricsts

[@douglasburrell3544]

Dumb statement

[@Coolranchfrito]

Bruh what ? DMX and Pac have some bars that blew my mind from a technique standpoint

[@andrethomas187]

You literally don't know what the hell you're talking about. And I can tell that you don't listen to the music and you could not know exactly what a metaphor or anything like that is. Because if you knew the music, and if you know what those things actually are he is a Lyricist he puts together syllables you name it double entendres you name it I can literally pull up song after the song where he gets busy lyrically in terms of your rapper rapper shit

[@Kalo986]

LL is THE GOAT

[@EHN2024]

LL and Tupac are the most important rappers of all time

[@tony4534]

Rakim.

[@ka9202]

He's your favorite rapper's, favorite rapper. 6:03 Talk that ISH!

[@missbusiness1216]

LL is a pivotal and transformational part of hip hop...him and Kool Moe Dee was the first rap beef I remember.

[@shawnstanley9620]

Ll cool j was the first portage of hip hop , his run at def jam build the empire ,he the blueprint for any hip hop artist about longevity, and many different era, he is important to hip hop

[@TERRELLTURNER1999]

Definitely top 5 / top 10 essential hip-hop artist of all time

[@smokindragon04]

I can’t say enough great things about LL❤

[@Dkirk215]

LL and Tupac Truly are game changers!!! For sure

[@tony4534]

Pac changed nothing.

[@zorotarded178]

I’ve heard some of my elders echo the same sentiment I just never did the research. He was way before my era

[@azshutterspeed]

I am 47, and Yes LL Cool J, Ice T, and Too Short were all the begging for me. LL was the one though that was more appropriate to be a fan of as a kid but he was still street.

[@nunajones5580]

Cassidy better than 2Pac? Smh he smoking meth bro

[@citizengoon1139]

Wow .... This man said Pac wasn't lyrical 🤣 stick to politics Mark... Yeah he was more passionate than anything but Pac had lyrics to

[@proudmisfit4405]

all depends with what your definition of lyricism is.

[@citizengoon1139]

@proudmisfit4405 He wasn't Biggie, Jay, or Nas, but he wasn't little yati either 🤣

[@shaquilhoskins3078]

At 1st I thought he was trippin but I understand his point now Edit: but he needs to be jail for his mac cheese point he trippin 🤣🤣

[@mookieblaelocker6504]

PAC was not lyrical lmfaoooo

[@mookieblaelocker6504]

Has this man ever made a metaphor in a song?

[@MysterE95]

I’ve always said this. 2Pac is a GOAT because of his overall artistry, his storytelling, his message. But if we’re just talking about lyrical complexity, that’s a completely different list, and Pac ain’t even on it. “They got money for war, but can’t feed the poor” That’s an AMAZING line, it’s deep, but it is NOT a complex rhyme, at all. So in my opinion the list of “best lyricists” is going to be a lot different than the list of “best rappers” I agree with Marc there. I’ll take a rapper with a message over a rapper who just rhymes a bunch of multi syllabic words but isn’t saying shit any day. Sometimes a rapper has both lyrical complexity and a message, those are my favorites(Black Thought, Lupe, Nas).

[@dragonofthewhiteflame4987]

Now that we've FINALLY made it to this part of the conversation. Use this same measuring stick for who is the GOAT.

[@davidgivens5307]

Now that is podding!

[@dance4kryst]

LL is truly the GOAT.

[@mofraser1450]

Why is Mark on here?? Chuck D isn’t a Lyricist? He should be Banned From this forum!!

[@rochardscott9572]

Can’t believe he said that disrespectful shit.

[@pimpchez]

He’s not a lyricist

[@nowaynoway915]

Idk about the most important ONE but he’s up there. I don’t think any one rapper can take that title.

[@jaybud400]

Facts!! We not discrediting LL we just know their were better artist and other artist that had a different impact that changed the game as well. To many greats!!

[@moeketsimolefi6460]

7:43 I never laughed so hard..

[@kellenking5108]

It’s LL and it’s not even close. He brought smooth to hip hop

[@tony4534]

Rakim.

[@madalitsophiri6411]

Joe been saying this for the longest. I rememeber an argument he had with Charles Hamilton circa 09 when he strongly stood on this same argument.

[@P2TheO]

7:29 bro said he love doing whattttttttttttt? AYOOOOOOOOOOOO

[@Saveyourbs]

😂😂

[@programme9363]

5:38 LMAO Ish

[@mookieblaelocker6504]

Checking boxes back again in the same convo as Royce 😂

[@yomrap6931]

Listen to Tupac "Still I Rise" verse from that Outlawz album. He wasn't the best lyricist at all times but Joe is right, it's what you say & how you say it.

[@ngqongqozamasibi9939]

When what you say means nothing. You make no sense.

[@Sony_Samsung]

Guy in black hoody lost every argument in that room 😅

[@jamesjack7074]

Good hip hop discussion

[@idideleven]

Mostly the voice- Gang Starr Do your research

[@3timesiller]

The definition of a lyricist is simple and we have the propensity to over simplify it. Look it up and come back.

[@dawb86]

The problem is they keep saying Pac wasn’t a good LYRICIST and what they’re meaning to say is he wasn’t a great TECHNICIAN on the mic….

[@tony4534]

No that’s what you mean. They get to have an opinion just like you and their opinion is he wasn’t a good lyricist. And he wasn’t.

[@programme9363]

You don't get to decide your importantance. Let others compliment you

[@matthewpalmer7822]

LL seems to do that a lot. I would say he feels slighted like he doesn’t get the respect he deserves. I think he does get his flowers but there are other/better rappers who have come after him and most are influenced by LL to an extent. Still doesn’t seem like enough for LL though

[@tony4534]

Rakim.

[@LintageBeauty]

LL didn’t tell NO LIES!

[@tony4534]

Rakim.

[@Chanceycollins]

He is the Goat

[@tony4534]

Rakim.

[@nunajones5580]

2Pac don't got lyricism? Lol foh

[@JInkJones]

He does not “have a case” he is the most important rapper ever

[@tony4534]

Rakim.

[@klubmember960]

People need to stop the cap if you're not at least 45 years old and up you weren't even listening to LL Cool J like that you probably even have to be a little older than in your 40s he's a legendary rapper obviously but the kids could care less about him let's be honest they know him as a TV Star the same way they look at Ludacris Method Man so many others that went from rap to acting

[@leroygreen6310]

Love Pac but if somebody told me him making the song Changes makes him a better "lyricist" then somebody like Lupe Fiasco? I'd have to disagree.

[@DaveBailey-e6l]

Ok so when did don’t you know by heavy d come out that was 1987 too right??????

[@Atl_Boi_73]

Content put together right is lyrics. What is he saying! The greatest lyrical genius of all time is Black Thought. Listen to him every word he says, strings together as a story, and he is talking to you as he does it. St8 content! No space, no additives.

[@anthemproducer2030]

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[@Cellardoor.]

Ras Kass 🐐

[@ShadowElohim]

1:22 why is he on here to say pacs name with LL is diabolical work

[@TheB-ManChannel]

I agree with Marc. Content of the lyrics aren't part of "lyricist" convo.. T.i said a lot of profound shyt but he's not the lyrical spiritual guy...

[@chilimboyi]

That's Wayne falls short in the goat discussions

[@AP-hf2nv]

Ive never heard a corny line from Tupac. I dont agree with the "my 44 make sure all your kids dont grow" line but B+ is maad disrespectful

[@eastcoastpaper3862]

My mans really means to refer to what we colloquially say nowadays as 'bars' or 'punchlines' ... clearly not qualified

[@cheekzt2l]

I 100% agree with with Marc. Yall miss the points

[@Sony_Samsung]

2pac is the most important rapper to walk earth live and in memory today 😊

[@tony4534]

CAP

[@fueledbyplantzz]

I agree with him 100% over Pac got but he isnt as Lyrical as Nas or Black Thought but Pac is still better

[@sulaymansillahsillah3646]

LL Cool J is not in my top five rappers of all time however, if he says he is the most important rapper of all time I will not disagree with him. The proof is in the pudding

[@DJ--ALLDAY]

🙄This time I am in TOTAL agreement with M.L.H. -- There are levels to this. And if James Todd Smith ain't on ur Top 10 Best Mcee's all time list -- YA LIST IS 🗑🗑🗑🗑

[@theFRIS]

individually, it was LL. Kurtis Blow was a star in hip hop, but not a superstar...as a group, Run DMC were the 1st hip hop superstars. The only rap act on Live Aid & it was their movie that introduced LL...Run DMX was definitely 1st, but if just looking at them solo, LL was bigger than them both

[@klubmember960]

Let LL Cool J dropping album today and let's see how the numbers go because I bet even the people who claimed their fans of him won't go buy it they may stream it but they're not going to pay money for the actual album because honestly nobody wants to hear an LL Cool J album that's just facts it's not hey I have mad respect for him

[@RETRO-RANEYS-RESTORATIONS]

Warren G saved Def Jam

[@showdonz]

I can't tell if some of y'all are hindsight glazing cause I never heard any of you mention LL til now 😂

[@BettyFisher-gy4sk]

This video motivated me. Your humbleness is truly refreshing.

[@jamarkusevans]

I get was Marc was saying

[@RiktorchyA]

THANK YOU PARKS!!! Foh w Philly over PAC lyrically when None of them were as Lyrival as Pac at the age of 24

[@KarieT5_]

People be killing me with that PAC wasn’t a great lyricist shit…his vocab, rhyme schemes, and flows were crazy.

[@krooktype5891]

Tupac rhymes and flow is complex, till this day I can’t say word for word on some songs

[@Diesal102]

Ice T was the 1st

[@sashalove83]

People have to stop moving the goal post on what a lyricist is.. regardless of the definition Tupac was him. With that being said when is Marc last day ?🤔RESPECTFULLY ♠️

[@curlyhairchild7574]

Joe get'em outta here!!!!

[@eastcoastpaper3862]

Pac did all that too tho... multis, internals, inflections schemes, content and concepts... cas has better punchers or crazier bars.. but you Buggn

[@curlyhairchild7574]

Joe get this dude off the show bro !!

[@allenlittle4202]

This dude said Tupac 😂😂😂

[@jonnyseablue6911]

Better speak correctly he will call and pull up about his respect 😂

[@jaredlhulum]

A lyricist is a person who wrote lyrics. Stop the semantics

[@9in3G]

These debates give me a headache …kawala wala!!

[@JamianBlackmon]

This dude is the male version of Melissa ford lol

[@tony4534]

You wouldn’t remember Melyssa Ford was alive if it wasn’t for Joe.

[@Hrbngr]

Fuck the "who's the most important?" talk, was it REALLY that hard to understand the guy's point? You can say nothing at all and make it sound impressive. You can say the most important shit ever and have it sound like some simplistic Dr Seuss rhyme. Content and technical skill are absolutely different and when someone says lyricist it doesn't mean that you're necessarily rapping about important things with incredible storytelling. Papoose made Alphabetical Slaughter and it's really impressive, but it's also not the best sounding thing ever and it's not some crazy story or message.

[@lydellb]

Hes saying Pac is great in spite of his more simple rhyme schemes.

[@conduitofthegospeldarrellb9154]

PAC is the greatest rapper… so far. PAC has the best argument and the most impact. If he’s not lyrical then records like “Hold Ya Head”, “Me Against the World”, “Drunken FREESTLYE” must not exist anymore. Speak on what you KNOW. LL IS the most important. He’s the prototype. The bravado, marketability, lyricism, diversity, TV etc etc LL coined the term GOAT and is the reason Cube, Pac, 50, DMX, TI, Drake and many more even exist.

[@thetroof100]

Muhammad Ali popularized the term GOAT

[@tony4534]

No Ali popularized the term greatest of all time. G.O.A.T. didn’t exist until LL invented it. Ironically LL never was.

[@doublepromo8240]

One of the most important, yes. Most important? 🧢

[@opalhensley7566]

This is exceptional work! Your talent shines through. Can’t wait to more.

[@Atl_Boi_73]

WTH is this dude talking about. This dude is comparing an infant to a full-grown adult. Rap started as an infant, so if you gather crowds as infants, you are bad. We came a long way, of course the stuff is accepted everywhere now. Man, you better go back and look at some tapes. People use to compare raps to nursery rhymes. The pioneers had to make it acceptable. There is nobody more important than the first, if you were on top at that time. Not Pac, not anybody coming after. Boy Hip Hop was the stepchild nobody wanted. LL had to make it acceptable for the ones coming after.