Lobby Surfing: How to Mitigate EOMM/SBMM In MW3

[@battlefieldpcgaming5626]

Conclusion after a few hours: I went into lobby surfing thinking that I wouldn't find any of the patterns suggested in this video. To my shock and surprise I started noticing some of these patterns. So, being the skeptic that I am matches were played I was told not to play. And, I noticed that they were unplayable for me. I had to quite half way through the match. Something I've done in the past. This started the process of avoiding those lobbies. The lobbies I did join were much more enjoyable. The lobbies were half way decent for what I usually expect but I was playing them more often. None of that win one, loss the next kind of thing I was seeing before. What made it enjoyable was the consistency of winning and getting 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th places. Instead of 5th and 6th places. Down Side: This is pretty time consuming. After I started to get the idea behind this I saw myself backing out of a handful of lobbies before I started to see 'good lobbies'. One match could take up to 5 minutes or so to find. This is not ideal. However, since I've already bought this game I wanted to get some use out of it beside shelving it as a $70 waste. That just didn't sit well with me. Up Side: Because I've found a few lobbies I had fun in incentive me to "Lobby Surf" more aggressively. Increasing my play time from 30 minutes to over an hour so far. Something I'm not keen on but it will do for now. Final Conclusion I won't be buying Black Ops 6 at $70+ if I have to do this from now on. This is ok for MW III but it s hassle paying $70 again to do this in BO6.

[@Goldnugget007]

I have to agree that this is pretty much what I'm noticing as well. I will say there are a lot of steps you have to try to remember. But once you avoid all the dumb stuff. It becomes simplified. You're not alone. I too wont be buying Black Ops 6. I can't see myself doing this all over again for a new game. I'm only doing this because I'm not going to uninstall a $70 game that I paid for it to not play it. So I am kind of motivated to do this just to try to get something out of this before the new game comes out.

[@Kuckerkarlson]

Yep. I love cod and basically played them all besides vanguard, I will not buy this one if the SBMM/EOMM is like this. Super unnecessary. I wonder what data they’re getting if they think this will make the game more enjoyable for us. I doubt it will be removed or even lowered. After playing a few games I legit feel drained and tired. I wish it was an experience that I can enjoy more.

[@Goldnugget007]

​​@@Kuckerkarlson Remember when eomm was first discovered and discussed it was associated with juat cheaters? Then when that was found out not to be true it was about sweaty players ruining the experience for the casuals? Then when people found out that wasn't true they say it was about _________ .Etc... One day you started reading posts on different forums and websites about the Casual players experiencing the exact same eomm. Remember when they were getting accused of cheating or doing something against the rules? Then you start seeing videos from Cod influencers saying that they're experiencing the exact same thing. Then you have others posting videos about the patents and how they were ignored as not true. Only to get a blog post straight from the horse's mouth saying that it was true all along. And yet people still won't believe it. Which is sad. All you can do is take the information and do the best that you can with it. There has been a lot of gaslighting going on about this. And when you see videos like this telling you exactly what's going on in detail you need to take note

[@Kuckerkarlson]

@@Goldnugget007 yep. They’re spoon feeding us shit

[@FreedomOfSpeech1.0]

@@battlefieldpcgaming5626 hopefully they remove Sbmm like they are thinking of doing

[@Goldnugget007]

There are a lot of cod influences who briefly discuss sbmm/eomm. But not in detail like I've seen in this video. You get the occasional bullet registration, patent talk and movement issues but nothing on this level. This is why the discussion of sbmm and eomm has not been effective. It has been a talking point in a vacuum. Using generalizations to try to say that it's real. We need more videos like this that gives details and examples in one video in order to grasp the severity of it. I experienced it. At the time I was a level 70 player and in the prior match I did pretty good. As I waited to enter the next lobby I saw 12 players all around my level ready to go (as usual). It was about to count down when all of a sudden bink-bink-bink-bink-bink-bink-bink several players leave the lobby sequentially with no deviations in pacing. That was some of the best frame times I've ever seen. You can't get no smoother than that. No way 7 random, human players all sequentially left the lobby keeping that level of pacing. It was the most computerized thing ive ever seen. Yet, didnt make the connection that it was rigging me. So I waited for the lobby to fill back up, and I started seeing levels 430, 410, 500, 600, 390, 475, etcetera. I did not know at the time that people were at those levels. And caught me a little off guard. I said, "Huh?!" I didn't pay attention to what just happened. I only noticed the higher level players. I left the lobby because it was taking well over two or three minutes to get into the match. I just didn't know that was how sbmm/eomm rigging worked. But I do now. No way I'm buying bo6.

[@eastcoasthandle]

I have a video in the works that will explain EOMM in more detail. Stay tuned! 👍

[@Arayev_]

I absolutely knew this was the case. It’s to keep players engaged longer. They want players to chase that “hit of dopamine” that rush of feel good endorphins when you have a friendly “fun” game. They are creating a route to addiction and using the obsessive behavior of gaming against players. Gaming can be and is an addiction for a lot of people. If we all were to have “fun” every game. Eventually we would get bored after a bit and stop playing for the day. To the point where eventually we want to find that rush again, since that feeling isn’t the same anymore in that game. This leads to the idea that we may and will look to other games that challenge us. They don’t want that. They want us hooked. We’re literally gambling and the odds are stacked against us entirely when it comes to matchmaking now. When will that next “fun” match be, we’re always thinking. That’s why EOMM is set in place. They’re using science. Just like most big corporations that use the human against itself. Addiction has if not the biggest, such a large margin for profit. That’s the tool. I so much fricken appreciate this video my guy. I just started lobby surfing a few days ago and came across this. Now I know better what to actually look for for.

[@samwadleygolf30]

Exactly it, people are becoming aware to this now though. I have completely changed my mindset on the game now & if I start getting shat on I just turn it off.

[@Goldnugget007]

Yes, this is good advice. I've actually seen this in the lobbies and never paid attention to it. Update: Although it does not make a whole lot of sense to me. It actually does work. I'm seeing a lobby similar to Xdefiant. The difference is it might take me a minute more to find it.

[@eastcoasthandle]

Glad to see I am not alone in seeing this. The real issue is what do you do once you see it. That's why I wanted to share this in the video.

[@battlefieldpcgaming5626]

I am going to try this out then. EOMM sucks in MW3 and don't recall it being that bad in MW2019.

[@spearthumb3780]

Nice list. I've noticed these patterns for ages. These principles are 100% related to the systems they use, and if you're patient, you can keep things in mind to have a much smoother time playing way funner matches. These devs have zero clue what they are doing.

[@beardeddefguy]

I don't play respawn much I'm a search player but i did notice that when i play respawn anytime i break past a 3 killstreak I'll all of sudden have players spawning directly behind me. To balance the game maybe? Now in search i see non stop players coming and going. It puts me against 4 and 6 man parties when playing solo and my teammates can't get over 5 kills in a game. Then after 3 matches like clock work I'll end a full played match to a late join thats 3 and 0 trying to give you that ( I won this game imma keep playing feeling) but there's only 2 to 3 enemies in that lobby and the match won't fill even if we lose a couple rounds ( after 5 minutes nah I'm not buying it ) I've noticed this happening a lot so i try to play with friends or viewers to avoid this situation. Sorry for the long comment but i dropped that sub. Great video with good info. 👍

[@eastcoasthandle]

Trust me, I understand the frustration. Sometimes you gotta get it out.

[@FreedomOfSpeech1.0]

After a WIN the game will ALWAYS Force you to have a Loss REMEMBER IT'S RIGGED!

[@nicholasandrade4494]

I've gotten win after win for like 4 5 games in search matches

[@FreedomOfSpeech1.0]

@nicholasandrade4494 Same here I can go on win streaks but that doesn't mean I can't tell they were trying to Stack the noobs on my teams and force a Loss I'm talking about MW3

[@Daniel-ld7xs]

And also if you’re on a good killstreak, it’ll purposely not register some shots if it detects you’re about to kill another person and then every spawn for about 8 or so it’ll purposely spawn you in really shit positions where it’s VERY easy for enemy to kill you as a way to “get back at you”. Such as right in front of them or while they’re already ADS.

[@KhemBMD]

I’ve strung wins together and I’m ass

[@reim1004]

You mean like 5-10 losses in a row.

[@gel87Kjetil]

My clan tag is EOMM, what can i do in warzone? Its so boring, i experience needing 52wsp swarm shots between enemy shoulders just to down him, then his teammate comes and delete me in 4 bullets from the same gun, throwing knives are rigged and i would throw a live mosquito in a strigter Line… crossbow and sniper headshots deal 0 or low damage, aim assist lock on right outside enemy hitbox, and i litterally have to force it upon them… When i perfectly precenter enemies head, it will wip my aim to the side at the excact same frame i shot…

[@invnp]

Thanks for the informative video.

[@samwadleygolf30]

Hit the nail on the head with all of it. Only problem for me is i dont play pubs, i only play ranked. So i can't back out of games & lobbies etc. All of what you say 100% exists in ranked aswell. If there is any advice you can give for Ranked Multi that would be fantastic. 😊

[@Dom_Be_Dumb]

This man is pretty good at the game ngl. Good tips.💀

[@YoItsDillan]

I started playing COD:MP back in the OG MW2, way back before SBMM/EOMM was so aggressive. The last COD:MP I really pumped a lot of time into was BO2. I'm more of a zombies player and have never been all that great at MP (hover around a 1.0-1.5 KD). In the old COD's it was easy to see when you've gotten better because you start out getting stomped and eventually are consistently 1.0+ KD every match. Reaching that consistency (even for someone who is not amazing) was possible because there are always going to be a significantly higher number of really bad players than there are good or even great ones, and COD would make these lobbies (for the most part) without everyone's "skill" in mind. The problem with SBMM/EOMM is how disingenuous it is. Most people have no issues being matched with players of equal skill, so long as they are being TOLD that it is happening and they are TOLD what their relative skill actually IS (aka Ranked Modes). Modern COD would rather do this all in the background on casual modes because they see it as "bad for business" to tell bad players that they are low skill. Force the good players to only fight each other on casual playlists and the masses are "engaged". I'm a zombies player and even I can clearly see and feel that things are much different than they used to be.

[@eastcoasthandle]

With competition on the rise this business model has reached end of life.

[@TheDoats]

Yeah very good reads here. Especially if you do amazing on a map and the very next game it's the same map. It's always much harder the second time. Also the higher ping thing is very true. Of course if you get good enough you will always be put in higher ping lobbies. Like my ping is 20-35ms yet I'm always put in 60-100ms lobbies now. It's quite funny really because the game tells you what your ping is yet your in lobbies that are at least double your ping.

[@Typhon888]

Good advice thank you.

[@eastcoasthandle]

No Problem. I hope it helps you in your future matches.

[@Goldnugget007]

I don't know about everyone else, but I am definitely going to get my money's worth. I refuse to shelve a $70 game because they have mechanics that go against me. When I can overcome them.

[@davethescrub858]

How's that going for you? Being here to watch a video about mitigating eomm/sbmm and all? Lmao

[@Goldnugget007]

@davethescrub858 Your sad, sad response missed the punchline and left lingering in the mild breeze out of petty. But I'll tell you anyway. I took gaming & performance advice. Got the hardware and saw an improvement in my win loss ratio and k/d as well. For the 1st time ever, I have won 10 games in a row. How do you like them apples?

[@davethescrub858]

@@Goldnugget007 my longest win streak was 200+ games; I'm not sad - I already got what I wanted out of the game and glad to be off of it now :)

[@jsnnF]

The best way to make sure you get your money's worth is by spending it at the right place.

[@Goldnugget007]

@davethescrub858 My win loss ratio is just over 2 now So, something he is saying is right. Lmao

[@arrogantprophet9697]

I am toasted my usual ping is 65 or 75 since day 1, but when I played with a guy who was bad at the game, his regular ping was starting from 10...

[@Goldnugget007]

My ping improved when I got a better Network card.

[@MaxBarrass]

Yeah man I've been paired with level 50 dwamons…

[@-Y2K93-]

I play on Xbox and I've turned cross play off in the main Xbox settings and it made my lobbies much more enjoyable and playable. I'm a lvl 920 and still can't get to grips with how sweaty this game has become lol

[@biizzlle]

My only question is how are streamers not dealing with eomm even sweaty lobby the win with 30 kills how do they by pass eomm in every gun fight

[@eastcoasthandle]

There is one person out there trying to get clicks for accusing others for reverse boosting. However, he shows he plays in reversed boosted lobbies LOL. People are ignorant to what reverse boosting is. It doesn't "just" give you "easier" lobbies. It completely removes EOMM. You have: Positive EOMM = nukes, easier lobbies Neutral EOMM = Regular lobby but no EOMM. Lobbies can be harder Negative EOMM = Rigged lobbies. No matter if you are in a easy or hard lobby. You are at a complete disadvantage. What you are seeing is called Neutural EOMM. Sometimes you go against tough opponents. But nothing is rigged. In other words it's still a Reverse Boosted Lobby you are seeing. I have to ask you something. Because there appears to be a disconnect. Do you actually believe people should be playing a rigged match? Streamers out there will not "willfully" play rigged matches. Even the ones accusing others of mitigating rigged matches, LOL.

[@mr.channel6467]

K how do I stay in the same lobby?

[@KrankyClownFPS]

I am not convinced that those “lvl 1” replacements are not AI doppelgängers… 10 month and that ain’t fixed like they say, just rubs me wrong. And often, not always their op skin changes a lot, and they weren’t using THAT skin. I think they added that skin for that exact reason.

[@eastcoasthandle]

Let me let you in on a little secret. They've been using AI bots since MW 2019 IMHO. Crosshair movement was "smooth", "robotic" and "mechanical" bound to an X and Y axis. When you watched the replay cam. It was eerie and odd. You instantly knew it wasn't a human player. It was moving the crosshair like you would see in your turret gun replay.

[@slamshift6927]

I'll just go back to old cod. Fuck this.

[@25_Cats_in_a_Trenchcoat]

It feels tinfoil hatty but im going to keep this in mind and try it out. Ive seen some of what you are talking about

[@eastcoasthandle]

Yes, but for my own sanity I started taking notes for the past 5 months and began to see repeated patterns. That presented itself as normal behavior to me. In which I saw myself dictating them into this video.

[@25_Cats_in_a_Trenchcoat]

@eastcoasthandle I'm curious how it compares to other games match ranking systems. There's been a big discovery in magic the gatherings arena match making recently. I played a ton of league of legends growing up and like match making in that blows but it's trying to balance a 50% wr so it didn't feel as devious as mw3 system.

[@eastcoasthandle]

@@25_Cats_in_a_Trenchcoat EOMM was a mechanic used in single player games back in the day. It wasn't called eomm back then though. It simply was used to keep the game from being way too easy to beat. Do you remember the original Street Fighter and Mortal Combat in the arcade? This tactic was used decades ago. Well time hits didn't register. CPU opponents did more damage then it should. They tell it now but back then cost a lot of quarters.

[@25_Cats_in_a_Trenchcoat]

@eastcoasthandle kzbin.info/www/bejne/h2aTpWt4q7ylqbcsi=G_dHZfKJffxGl_Oe is the video I was referencing. I agree and see what you mean. I'm going to play around with setting up different classes all the same basic guns or all melees and see if they are 'weighing' loadouts or kill streaks for match making.

[@trevonburtch4014]

Playing hardcore helps.

[@caseycameron5370]

Doesnt matter what ya do EOMM gets ya no matter what

[@eastcoasthandle]

Actually, that is not true at all. Don't let EOMM live rent free in your head. LOL

[@OddEyeGuy]

Just play xdefiant lmao you don’t have to deal with skill base matchmaking over there

[@eastcoasthandle]

Sure, sure but why not circumvent and destroy a draconian, rigged system that you were tricked into paying $70 for? If they already have your money you mind as well try to get some sort of vindication from it. And, to add the cherry on top show support for xdefiant.

[@jtecchh8533]

I was playing XDefiant a couple days ago I had a good game and after that they started doing what COD does “putting me half way or towards the end of the match and of course with the losing team” 😂 5 times in a raw so decided to go back to COD

[@defeatignorance8681]

I would if it was fun and actually had content.

[@andrewsmith8727]

damn.. people are still trying to outrun the sbmm lmfao. havent played this game since the beginning of season 1

[@eastcoasthandle]

The reason why people like me are still playing it is because we've found resolution on getting our money's worth sort of speak. Which is why I am providing this video. Take note of it. Let me ask you something. Lets say you go to your favorite fast food restaurant. Place your order and buy it to later disregard it because there was one less pickle in your burger? They put to much ice in your drink which only gave you 4 sips of beverage. And forgot your fries. Why would you simply put it down to accept the evil done to you and say within yourself that you will never go back. When you can go back and demand they make it right? This video puts a demand to make it right. Have some faith for crying out loud.

[@Paulo-e8q]

if you have to do all that to play a game, you might aswell quit.

[@eastcoasthandle]

🤣 Actually, it's the fuel that drives one for justice.

[@Tasty.Jams44]

Lol. Cod is down bad