Localizers Go MASK OFF Bragging About Contempt For Anime

[@Revsaysdesu]

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[@GenBumbleBee]

no thx if i wanted TV dinners i just go to walmart or harps and get it cheaper

[@TheTrial-np9qy]

God forbid we play PC Emilators Of Old classics game in 2024 :O Who knew you can go back in the past with just a click of a Mouse

[@theitalianfukr4270]

Is there a silver lining for the anime lovely complex?

[@shardinhand1243]

some fun news if you havint heard the good news my man, vuase has been found out to have tons of confirmed loli porn... mans a hipocrite, heres the funniest part, he's doubling down on pretending he was right by making excuses, and lying, pethetic, i wouldint care about the loli stuff, even though not my thing its art, all art is acceptable, but i dont like hipicrites... anyways thanks for vid des bro have a good eavning

[@TheTrial-np9qy]

Good reporting , I'm going to go now, to see what death Battle is up to

[@Exp.No.Zenar-57]

And localizers continue to make themselves some of the most hated people in the anime and game industry.

[@acutelilmint8035]

dare I say...racist😂😂

[@oriongear2499]

Not just the Anime and Gaming Industry, but the Entertainment Industry in general.

[@crosszealkruezfahrerwolfra8787]

yeah

[@Caalv4]

indeed.

[@tacticianAlexandra]

@@oriongear2499 Yeah they hate escapism and good story telling. For alot of these people don't seem to understand. Realism doesn't make everything better. That and their so called western standards, are just their personal standards and are not universe in the slightest.

[@Relkond]

There is a story of a samurai, who, when his sword breaks, searches for its original maker to get another. It had been a very good sword. On finding the son of the sword maker, he he learns that the sword maker is dead… but his son is making cooking knives of equal quality. The swordsman asks if the son would take up the commission, and the son declines. He does not make weapons, only tools. He is separating himself from the industry of murder. The swordsman thanks the son for his time, and departs. When asked why he didn’t force the son to make the sword he needed, he responded thus: “I could force him, true. But his heart would not be in its making, and it would be sure to fail me at some critical point.” These localizers are idiots.

[@netcat22]

Underrated comment.

[@smackers99]

Sounds like the episode from Rurouni Kenshin

[@erikasl.7050]

Rurouni Kenshin reference?

[@potatocancer1125]

nice

[@Quincy_Morris]

What a good story.

[@Arassar]

They said "disappointed with his *lack of professional discretion"* Which, in my opinion, means that they're only disappointed that PEOPLE FOUND OUT ABOUT IT, not that he DID IT IN THE FIRST PLACE.

[@kehny]

Imagine making characters literally named malicious and cruel, misunderstood good people.

[@DarkCT]

which he himself verified and then the likes of the discotek person in this video verified. they are all in on it. the difference is some of the people in their employ aren't smart enough to hide their feelings enough.

[@TwilightWolf032]

Precisely. It's not "I'm sorry I made you feel that way", their discourse is "I'm sorry you feel that way."

[@cortholiopezorama8879]

“Dammit! You aren’t supposed to leave a paper trail!” Essentially.

[@jorgecastillo6159]

Yeah, not sure if them not working with the guy who was brought on most likely on a whim it's exactly a win, as stated, they are just disappointed from the fact the guy was dumb enough to go public with bad practices and even drag crunchyroll with them

[@toomanyinterests2271]

Forget taking back the licenses only, time to update and change future license contracts for anime. You mess with it: - License revoked - fine of double the licensing fee - Immediate removal from streaming platform, additional fine for non action - Recall of all physical copies - They can sell the license again and the new owner is immune from all possible legal action by previous owner. We have reached the point where companies have to be scolded for bad behavior like toddlers.

[@CaptainDCap]

We reached that point WAYYYY before the madness bled over into the anime market.

[@fltfathin]

Imo the solution might be technological, acknowledge fansubs/fandubs and make it that you can select sub/ dubs in the site/software.

[@SM5T001]

​@@fltfathinOption to select another variant of THEIR dubs/subs which THEY approved will change nothing. And the option to plug in any third party subs/dubs via your file obviously will never appear on ony of the online streaming services just because they don't want you to be able to do this. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@viliml2763]

No one would agree to that system, especially not the Japanese publishers.

[@elliottgaal9774]

I'd add: -dismissal of offending parties and any who defend them -suspending their ability to work in the industry for several years -fines along with any reparation to potential lost revenue.

[@m3m3god]

Who are these "modern audiences"? Rewrite history??? History isn't meant to be rewritten. It's to be learned from, what worked, what didn't; what was successful and what wasn't.

[@DarkCT]

History isn't meant to be rewritten, but it is repeatedly anyway. they want their turn to.

[@Lorfo11]

Twitter Brain-Rotten Users, who also happen to not even watch Anime. But hey, gotta pat themselves on the back for "making a difference", you know.

[@strategicperson95]

Considering what most of these peoples political beliefs are, it actually makes sense why they want to rewrite history considering their sacred political cow keeps Failing, Constantly.

[@CaptainDCap]

Well, you see, History HAS to be rewritten, or the ruling class would have trouble keeping the masses pacified.

[@Nesratoth]

everytime I saw modern audiences I now some bullshit will happend

[@Isarrot]

"Rewriting history" That is called censorship

[@tux_the_astronaut]

“Literally 1984”

[@kenkaneki3873]

Jello already had a ruined reputation back when he made his voting video telling people that they're bad if they don't vote a certain way

[@Justcallmeaqua420]

Wait what? I need context because I have never heard of this Edit: not a fan of him, maybe just a passing viewer a few years ago

[@kenkaneki3873]

@@Justcallmeaqua420 I think it's a deleted video but he made a video that was disguised to be one of those "Go out there and vote" videos but everything in the video had *red* stickfigures that he used to talk about bad things and *blue* stickfigures to talk about good things. not very subtle basically.

[@SockieTheSockPuppet]

He's also KickVic, where his RWBY video added to the slander against Vic. He also had a video that connected to the "games should be $70" absurdity a while back.

[@Nedoxu]

@@Justcallmeaqua420 It was a video back in the 2016 US elections, he made a decently long dramatic video telling people to go out and vote, and to vote for who they believe is right... and then at the very end slipped in his political leanings along with the implication that if you didn't vote left, you were not a good person. I am a leftist. This is not how you get people to vote. ton of fans peaced out after that one, including me. I also recall a SIGNIFICANT chunk of comments saying they weren't going to, but then because of how conceited that video felt, they were specifically going to vote for Trump just to spite him.

[@theotherjared9824]

​@@Justcallmeaqua420there are plenty of reuploads if you're interested.

[@garybicknell2135]

Gamergate 2 seems right. Shit behavior from the professionals involved gets called out by fans. Professionals respond by lying about the nature of the controversy and any other facts, declaring the fans racist/homophobic/yadda yadda and escalate to the point of sending death threats and rape fantasies to themselves. I can see the parallels.

[@negirno]

At least now with digital journalism imploding, we won't get "otaku are dead" articles on various websites, although I'm sure that there will be lots of otaku bashing disguised as anime reviews or Japanese culture guides here in KZbin...

[@snipermagoo]

@@negirno It's still happening. The recent idea of 'gamer words' is a reframing tactic to connect the idea of slurs to gamers.

[@_l-_-l_]

God I hope not. We had all the fact, the mailing list, we were getting advertisers to pull from shit journo sites, evidence of anti-GG figure heads sending themselves death threats and blaming us, all while being banned from almost every site we were using to organise even fucking 4chan... AND WE STILL FUCKING LOST. You really can't fight the media because people are too stupid to fact check shit. I cannot believe they have already started to rewrite history and made a reference to a meme from 2002 in 2004 as a fucking trans slur. Firstly, no one gave a shit about trans people in 2004 the gays were the big bogeyman at that time and secondly the 2004 anime community just wanted to be left alone to enjoy anime because at the time it was up there with furries as one of the most hated groups on the internet.

[@nosuchnumber]

"Are you going to go back and rewrite villains?" Hasn't Disney already been doing that with characters like Maleficent and Cruella? As for the Discotek statement. They're not saying "we won't work with him because he didn't do it right." They're saying "He told on us, so we won't work with him again."

[@Lorfo11]

You forgot about the upcoming Wicked, which is basically turning the Wicked Witch of the West into yet ANOTHER Vilain that isn't actually a Vilain anymore. Hell, the Wizard of Oz is made the Vilain from what the trailer shows...

[@strategicperson95]

​​@@Lorfo11 I mean, the original Wicked already did that. The musical everyone thinks and knows of came out in 2003, and it's based off a novel of the same name in 1995. Thinking about it, it's actually not surprising there are people who think this way in making villains sympathetic. Its just gone on too long that we have awful versions compared to more nuance ones that you still could understand, but still recognize they're still the bad guy.

[@InkMossDragon]

@@Lorfo11 Wicked has been around long before things like Maleficent and Cruella have been a thing so that's really a bad example.

[@Lenriak]

Exactly. "Nobody is evil, they're just MiSunDErStOooOoD!!"

[@mariaantonia-op8qc]

​@@Lorfo11I mean, but wicked isn't really new, it was written in 95 and is actually a great story, the musical is also really good. I just hope they do the adaptation right.

[@NeokoNewman4ever]

As a fan of Lovely Complex for several years, I would LOVE to see why that localizer saw Risa as a “psychopathic useless freak.” I’m all ears. Like is it she’s self conscious about how tall she is compared to her other female peers, Y’know, half of the reason why it’s called Lovely Complex? Is it because she copes with her lack of a love life with dating sims? Is it because she dares toe the line between wanting to pursue the guy she genuinely feels a connection with after getting rejected, while balancing their close friendship with each other that he feels comfortable with in a less than perfect way? Is it because she makes hilariously unflattering faces for comedic affect in a COMEDY show? Is it because her initial way of coping with trying to move on is getting a cringy crush on a hot teacher? Like seriously, people truly putting female characters on pedestals if these actions make them out to be “psychopathic useless freaks. Also, fyi, the comment about Nobu having a gaydar and hating on Seiko for being trans in the original source material is 100% false. Ironically enough their “fixed” scenario was literally what she was doing in both the anime and the manga. Girl was literally just being salty about a new super cute and fashionable girl hanging around, but I guess they made the gaydar stuff up to pretend to feel justified for whatever reason.

[@k4in5037]

This stupid translator actually made me rewatch the series (in japanese from a fansub), because its been over a decade since I watched it, I remember liking it a lot back then and I'm baffled at the statement that Risa is a psychopath, anyway I got to the episode where Seiko is outed, and the main cast is very accepting and supportive towards her, yeah they got a good laugh at Otani falling for the trap at first, that's a pretty normal reaction for teenagers but later on nobody minds, Risa go as far as defending Seiko when a group of mean girls made some hurtful comments to her, and Otani says to Seiko that he doesn't dislike her or think she's repulsive but it would be pretty complicated to be her boyfriend, imo a pretty kind response for a straight guy. Lke, are we watching the same anime? what are you on about?, These fucking activist want nothing less than praise and for you to bow and kiss the dirt they walk on, to me the only psychopath here is you if you can't understand the empathy between these characters.

[@crestofhonor2349]

Well of course they hate anime. Why else would they call for changing it at the start. They don’t like the Japanese cultural side and just want the stuff they like. They’re called tourists for a reason. They have no interest in the actual anime culture, just the filtered stuff presented to them

[@acutelilmint8035]

xenophobia ww2 levels

[@LuigiTheMetal64]

No, they are called "bigots". Do not euphemize.

[@hafirenggayuda]

Yeah, let's don't call them tourist. Normal tourist when go to Japan would try to enjoy their time there. This kind of people would go to sushi restaurant and demanding their dishes cooked well done, while complaining why Japan invent this kind of food.

[@winterlantern5695]

Marxists hate successful countries. They always seek to take over & change it to their own image.

[@anonymousperson1771]

The use of chud also implies they're very left leaning "workplace democracy" types. Which, if their behaviour is any indication, means political enforcement anywhere they're in control to ensure the "correct" democratic descisions.

[@Ver.3gA-06]

"I have contempt for the thing I'm working on." Then why are you working on it?" "Uhhh...shut up, you nazi!" Literally everyone to ever be active on Twitter right now

[@RefreshingMirage]

And yet another episode of “Localizers are showing how xenophobic they are, and show how much they hate their audience, & Knuckles”

[@Lorfo11]

OH GOD NO! NOT KNUCKLES TOO D:

[@andrewwillcockson8120]

Have you found the way?

[@RefreshingMirage]

@@andrewwillcockson8120 God damn it…

[@supersonicmario56]

Oh No. They need to get their shit rocked for this!!!

[@zerobolt9506]

What are they doing to my boy Knuckles 😨

[@theotherjared9824]

If you pay attention, the localizers are condemning Jello not for what he did, but because he said the quiet part out loud and put a spotlight on everyone.

[@hosatus2433]

Crazy how most of the time when something is "offensive" to a group, the only people actually offended are people not part of that group.

[@Lorfo11]

It has become a sport to be offended for other people. Hell, it goes even as far as telling people from the group "You should be furious, this is offensive towards your people!". Savior complex and virtue signaling make a nasty mix.

[@ComposedSage75]

All part of the destruction of the things people enjoy. It’s what antis and detractors do.

[@snowflakecanary5933]

Exactly 🙄

[@user-unknown1705]

n when people said they are not offended they'll go "oh you dont represent YOUR community, so your opinion doesnt matter"

[@markwatson8714]

Almost as if some people just get off on the notion of being able to tell other people what to do, and will use any means to be able to do it.

[@thelaughingmanofficial]

Since now they're saying "hide your activity in private group chats" Assume ALL Localizers are filthy vandalizers.

[@shorewall]

Fr

[@hosatus2433]

Jello probably wouldn't like it if someone localized Epithet Erased and changed everything to be shit

[@TheDustyMuffinsss]

Just make it a thing, please someone

[@n9it]

I just lost a lot os respect for Jello knowing he done this shit.

[@robcampion9917]

To quote The Rock "Know your role and shut your mouth.". Unfortunately these people can't seem to help themselves.

[@captainchewbacca1407]

"We get that this series was loved enough to get a company to pay a hell of a lot of money, time, and effort to get it adapted into an anime but trust us it actually sucked and we, who have never created anything in our lives let alone anything people enjoy, can tell you that everyone is wrong and this series actually sucks but we can make it good."

[@emanyzal9813]

To be fair JelloApocalypse has indeed created things that people enjoy including myself. Which makes it more disappointing, but at least I know to unsubscribe from him.

[@thomaslacroix6011]

It's more about a "mission" to promote ideology in every possible way because they believe they are morally superior.

[@tacticianAlexandra]

The funny thing is, the whole. It not for you. Never seems to apply to these people who want to change everything. They will gladly take over a fanbase, tell you she-ra is not for she-ra fans. Yet never think. Hey maybe this anime, was not made for you.

[@captainchewbacca1407]

@@emanyzal9813Fair enough. I more so meant it in the general sense as this is likely the mindset of these localizers but it's true that JelloApocalypse has made very entertaining media. Still though I doubt if you went and rewrote their old videos like they did here that he'd be happy about it.

[@powerfable]

​@@emanyzal9813yeah and never finished it and also deleted the source material

[@joshuanovakowski8293]

Screw it. I'm sailing the high seas till this gets settled. I'm tired of the BS, and until their pocket books hurt, they will not change

[@R3tr0w1]

These localizers can't help but brag about their stupidity

[@tacticianAlexandra]

Thankfully they are so full of hate. They make it clear as day what they are doing. So they can't deny it. So everyone can point to the fact, they are trying to ruin entertainment.

[@TheInnocentRabbitofCaerbannog]

Narcissists tend to be full of themselves

[@SergioLeonardoCornejo]

The only way to stop this is polarizing creators against them.

[@Just_a_guy_who_likes_stuff]

Pretty much

[@SCaptian458]

It's what they do best man

[@YamatoFukkatsu]

I think one of my biggest problems with Jamie Marchi, Jello Apocalypse, the clowns at Seven Seas Entertainment, and all these other localizers is that they assume audiences are all the same kind of special snowflakes they are. Is a sexist joke or a rape scene crossing a line? Who knows? But it sure as hell isn't up to the script-writers to decide that. It's up to the actual audiences, by which I mean a significant majority of the actual paying audience and not a vocal minority of non-fans on social media. And it seems pretty clear that said audiences just want to have the exact same product that Japan got, with the primary difference being that it's (properly) translated to a language they can understand, that's it....... well, it's clear to everyone except the localizers.

[@Aquas1998]

I really want Japan to start recognizing that they were lied to by California and its rats infesting that country. They need to start talking more economically as much as they talk creativity.

[@catandrobbyflores]

Hey, don't lump us all together! Most of us are reasonable over here. Just avoid San Francisco and LA

[@ReigoVassal]

​@@catandrobbyflores avoid the zombie infected area, right? Got it.

[@Just_a_guy_who_likes_stuff]

Yeeah

[@sentinel7672]

California, particularly Hollywood, has been screwing over Japan in some way or another since at least the 90s, if not longer. It's more or less an arms race between Japanese companies to learn how to deal with the crap and Hollywood coming up with new ways to mess with them. This ranges from using ambiguous wording in contracts (The Macross *franchise* has been held hostage for decades because the company that got distribution rights outside Japan successfully argued that that their contract to distribute the first series applied to all things Macross because it wasn't stated if "series" was singular or plural) to cutting over half an hour out of some anime movies for disagreeing with the content. This would all stop if Japanese companies made ironclad contracts and watched the western companies they work with like hawks...

[@loke6664]

They are, while a couple of manga were made with AI translation before, Japanese anime publishers are starting to get on board for AI dubs now. And why would they actually license their anime to Crunchyroll if they can easily make their dubs themselves? You don't have to be based in America or Europe with a streaming service and split the profit when you can make everything yourself, stream it and get 100% of the profits without gaijins changing your IPs as they like. I am pretty sure we will soon get Japanese run streaming services, AI dubbing already works just fine and that will end Crunchyroll. They have poked the bear and the consequences are on the way. Sure, it will probably take them 2 years or so to have everything up and running but there isn't any downside to cut out the localizers and do the translations in house now. It is cheaper to use the Japanese voice actors voice with an AI and have someone lo check it then to hire a translator, a localizer and a new voice actors and they get full control of the dub as a bonus. AI will also keep evolving and get better, lowering any cost and time for translating anime and foreign live action shows and movies. Another advantage is that many more anime will get translated to other languages then English as well. We are also likely close to getting real time subs to anything we watch as well. They are less likely to use AI to write stories or make art, even though I can see them using it for animation to cut cost.

[@BloodrealmX]

Dubs shouldn't be "punching up comedy". Americans literally think that they're funnier than Japanese solely based on nationality and I'm sick of it. Wow. They cut out the mangaka's cameo? By the logic these people themselves use we can now call them misogynists. Should we capitalize on that? I don't know, but I can tell you they sure as hell would if it were someone else doing it. Of course the localizer fellators still claim it's "nonsense" when presented with another direct example of it actually happening.

[@oriongear2499]

If I were the boss of a Dubbing Studio, who obtained the license to LC, I wouldn’t have cut out the Mangaka’s Cameo nor done any of the other things Jello did.

[@Jonathan_Collins]

In The insane rant for the Bad English translation by Jello, he explained in his deleted rant all the butchering done on purpose because he and colleagues didn't like the original story or characters.

[@tacticianAlexandra]

Which just goes to show. They never care about story telling or faithfully translating things. For it doesn't matter if they like it or not. Their job is to translation as faithfully as possible. If they want to write a story. They should go and make their own comics and animation tv shows. not ruin someone else's works.

[@strategicperson95]

That's like a translator saying they didn't like the original document they translated and changed it for their own purposes: and said document was military docs for a historian to understand and use to explain another country's production values. You know how much crap the translator would get being that unprofessional. I know "localizing" is bottom of the barrel but they should be held to the same standards as the more professional translator positions.

[@tacticianAlexandra]

@@strategicperson95 Heck. Given they brag about not doing their job. Openly shout to the heavens i'm not doing my job properly. Anyone would get fired for this and be replaced by someone else. If not given a warning to shape up or else they will get replaced.

[@TheInnocentRabbitofCaerbannog]

Which is why all of them needs to be axed out of their jobs

[@lunatic0verlord10]

@@TheInnocentRabbitofCaerbannog By all means necessary.

[@Deadlychuck84]

"rewrite new history" has got to be one of the most totalitarian statements I've ever heard

[@cosmicelectron]

People turn to anime specifically to escape the saturation of Western politics in our media. It's an escape route to enjoy storytelling free from these influences. Unfortunately, those who have heavily politicized Western media now seem to be targeting anime, a medium we cherish for its unique Japanese cultural narratives, infiltrating anime with the same political agendas, they're attempting to close off this last haven of unpoliticized content

[@crosszealkruezfahrerwolfra8787]

and then we have to go to the sea

[@tacticianAlexandra]

They don't want anyone to escape from western standards. Given these people don't believe in escapism. That and they endlessly push for realism just for the shake of realism. To the point the fantasy genre shouldn't exist going by the standards of these people.

[@LiterallyAWesternHognose]

​@@crosszealkruezfahrerwolfra8787No you fool we have nowere else to flee to tails between our legs....Like mice but now we have no choice we must unite and defend what we enjoy!! WE MUST TAKE A STAND!

[@Desolate-Utopia]

That's the exact reason why they're doing it though. They (openly) say they dislike that there are certain communities that are not as diverse and inclusive as they'd like, so they actively work to "change" that. Many of these localizers clearly are not fans of anime, but they see their work as some sort of higher purpose. They are working to "educate" the "chuds" and "incels" of the world. We've seen this happen to anime, Western comics, manga, D&D, video games, book series, you name it. This has been happening for almost a decade now, but it's reaching such a fever pitch that it can't be ignored anymore.

[@coyotemars5130]

i’m glad more anime and manga creators are being brave with inclusion :) the only ones who care are dweebs in america who think its a cultural oasis. the meiji period is over and so is the isolation period lawl. they can still write beautiful poetry about wab sabi, mono no aware, hanakotoba, haiku etc. while including people who are immigrating to their land. i remember seeing a splattuber i followed getting flamed (this was all in japanese btw) for saying “white skin is normal skin, so i’ll pick that” when splat3 came out lol broke: japan beautiful woke: every country is beautiful in its own way and i should strive to be inclusive and nice to everyone

[@laughingmanime4622]

hiring localizers who openly hate the product they're dubbing would be like the manager of an automotive assembly plant putting someone who is openly anti-oil, anti-fuel in the position to assemble the gas tank or fuel injector. There is just no way that the manager would be able to trust that they don't do something that sabotages the product based off their own biases

[@Sleepyhead080808]

You know, I actually like the comparison to GamerGate. The intended consumers of a product (videogames/anime) are rising up against the corruption of the industry they love. People from outside the fandom intruding on the fandom because "they know what's best for you."

[@fuhrertehlulzen]

And don't forget those same people intruding labeling the fans as a hate mob harassing people.

[@hope-cat4894]

Same thing happened with Comicsgate. It's pretty much all FandomGate now.

[@laughingdemon]

The movement did get co-opted by incels and insane guys near the end but it did start as a way to hold Game journalists accountable

[@Sleepyhead080808]

@@laughingdemon That never happened. You were just convinced by leftists that criticism of women was actually sexism.

[@dansmith16]

@@laughingdemonIncels? You are an NPC.

[@keatonmc1]

The company legit said they were pissed he wasnt discrete so the only thing they care about is the fact that it got out thats no reason to clap for them

[@spicyzeros2160]

Just to give you an idea of how laughable JelloApocalypse is at this point. A while ago, he made a dumb video called 'Vote' which was basically him virtue signaling to get people to vote for his side of the political aisle. So for context, back around 2018 the midterm elections were happening in the United States and Jello felt the need to make a now really cringeworthy video where he told people to vote for his side to stop the "evil fascist orange man" at the time. At first, most of his audience applauded it but other people outside of Jello's bubble would tear that video apart and point out why it's disingenuous in the first place; regardless of how you feel about Trump, that video was just Jello displaying how he knows nothing about the average American voter (Jello has since deleted that video off his main channel after the backlash but it has been re-uploaded by third parties on KZbin as to remind the Internet of his cringe). So here we are years later and he's at it again and this time butchering a localization for an anime because he's a virtue signaling activist that feels the need to insert his unwanted personal politics into anything he touches. I thought I was done with JelloApocalypse after the 'Vote' video incident up until I heard about this incident involving an anime localization. So I guess Jello never really did learned his lesson from the last time people laughed at him for being a far left cringelord at this point.

[@parkersmith8711]

Nah his vote video was good

[@Malam_NightYoru]

You're not cooking. ​@@parkersmith8711 I'm a leftie but this people suck.

[@OkamiToge]

​@parkersmith8711 I guess that's why he deleted then huh clown 😂

[@UnknownGamer40464]

​@@parkersmith8711lol good one

[@davidlewis6728]

i once saw his channel and thought his art style was kind of cute, but i remember seeing a video that was intensely political around that same time and ended up not wanting to associate with him. idk if it was that one, but from how you described it, it probably was. i'm glad i stayed away, i guess, and i intend to keep it that way now.

[@2097Pyros]

It's interesting to note that, supposedly, Amber Lee Connors wanted to dub Lovely Complex because she was a old fan of it. As in, "she watched it when it was a new show back in 2007 when it DIDN'T have a dub". JellApocalypse is essentially saying that the show his own boss (yeah, "independent contractor" and all, still his boss for this project) remembered was crap. It's also worth noting that originally, Discotek didn't commission a dub for Lovely Complex, which IS consistent with their history regarding anime dubs. Specifically, they'll release a show with a dub if it already has one, as it costs less to commission a new dub than it is to get the license for an existing one. Sound Cadence Studios essentially did this dub pro bono, so in this case, I'm willing to bet that Discotek was just taking what they thought was "good fortune", and didn't look too closely at what they were getting. It's also worth noting that Discotek are the ONLY ones so far to publicly sever ties with ANY of these cultural vandals, so, AT LEAST FOR RIGHT NOW, I'm giving Discotek the benefit of the doubt, especially since their usual work involves license rescuing, which IS an element of media preservation, at least on our end. Right now, the ONLY individuals I'm holding responsible for this are Brendan Blaber (JelloApocalypse) and Melissa Lenti.

[@darken2417]

"Taking the edge off" means make it boring, safe and cringe.

[@hoppa_2184]

Exactly. Wish Rev would have addressed that particular part.

[@darken2417]

@@hoppa_2184 There have been so many examples of this, especially in something innocuous like them saying they put in comedy into dubs. One big example of this was in Reincarnated as a Slime. The dub is atrocious with a metric ton of obvious dubber comedy. Comedy doesn't grab outrage like with politics but when it happens its a serious pain.

[@elliottgaal9774]

@@darken2417 I think what makes it more egregious is using slang that will become very dated quickly. Only need to look at Devil is Part-timer, the main male lead used words 'bougie' or 'yeet' and others that do not fit his character archetype. The former slang is already fallen out of use and its heyday was 2022.

[@darken2417]

@@elliottgaal9774 Yep the slang is the worst. Its like the dubbers are influenced by Abridged or something.

[@elliottgaal9774]

@@darken2417 Agreed. You would think with bigger IPs they would be more cautious

[@weissshizuru3687]

"the creator's gave us permission to destroy this Anime, we're justified". Thats what i heard from that company.. Like, its an excuse to destroy anime when its bs. Its an evil tactic they are starting to use to justify it. "Oh, it's okay then, guys. The creator said it's okay. Lets stop criticizing them". I seriously, seriously doubt they said, ",yes, destroy my creation"

[@burningspeed]

If people like Jello really think that all anime fans are garbage human beings, why the hell are they still trying to take part in that community and make content that is meant to attract them? Why would you want to associate yourself with a community of people you hate so much and think they're evil? Bro out here at this point is more than likely just trying to do this for clout. Great video, keep up the great work.

[@Lorfo11]

One word: money. Anime is as popular as ever, and dubbing is still consummed by some people, either for the ease of watch (no need to read subtitles) or because they prefer the English VAs. This means there's plenty of job for the Dubbing Industry. Now the other main reason for those morons to get into Anime Dubbing: Virtue Signaling. What else but one of the most popular media form to show off how "good" and "tolerant" of a human being you are by spitting on the original characters' personality and dialogues and shoving in YOUR vision of what it should be. Bonus point if you make it a political statement.

[@SM5T001]

They hate us so they want to ruin our lives and destroy anything we love. It's as simple as that.

[@DMAN99]

Anime is popular and can actually be genuinely diverse and inclusive. They hate it because it’s not their ideal version of how things should go. They want to control exactly how things go, they want their symbols clean and boring, to fit to an ideal that appeals to no one but them and their own. Think about it like this, Poison from Street Fighter has been a Newhalf basically since her inception, she’s one of the most universally accepted trans characters. Before, people would just talk about poison as a character and her dingaling was more of a joke and didn’t impact her character but now the tourists and normies are in the fandom and almost everytime you see one of them mention poison it’s just to brag about her being trans and slap a trans flag on the post. They want to tokenise characters. They want symbols, not characters. Bridget is one of the examples of this, people loved his original character but ever since the retcon, the only thing people ever talk about is Bridget being trans and his personality is now just “generically cute girl”. He’s become a token symbol.

[@Nikotheleepic]

They want to BECAUSE they hate it, they want to coopt it, control it, dictate what its boundaries are because they need to feel in control and anything that goes against their ideology is felt as a narcissistic injury of a fragile freak who needs to be in control of everything, thats why we see them in all these fringe communities, no other person would be so ambitious in taking over everything unless they had these malignant pathologies, just like ceos are often psychopaths. They infect every community especially ones with reputations that go against their moralizing hypocritical worldview specifically to make it appealing to them, nothing can be something they don't agree with. Its the ultimate fragile narcissistic screed

[@Nikotheleepic]

They don't care about anything but validating their ideological zealotry, and will go any place that they are allowed and stand on any soapbox possible especially on the ruins of communities that they destroy for daring to not be in line with their virtuous grandstanding... They are the worst of humanity in every single conception of it, hypocrites narcissistic malignance and worst of all they themselves are moralizing despite being the last person on earth who should have the right to.

[@Smilomaniac]

Lovely Complex is a show that I genuinely liked and I was lucky to watch a fansub. The main character isn't a psychopath, she's a pretty typical girl with her insecurities outwards, which makes her feel very human, like an actual person with a personality. By no means not everyone's tea, but that makes it better, not worse.

[@ZayZenBlaze]

So they’re bragging about making things worse for dubbed anime. I love how they don’t realize how stupid of a flex that actually is.

[@Dkgow]

Good to know who not to watch videos with. Time to go from being a dub only to a sub only watcher.

[@dantesparrow9903]

@@Dkgow yo ho ho I’ll still probably watch dubs just so if I’m watching action anime I can focus on action just not on Crunchyroll or Funimation

[@你好-戦]

@@DkgowSubs are messed up as well man. Was watching One Piece the other day and Franky referred to Yamato as "he" and that was the first time he saw her. It would've been less obvious if Yamato presented herself first, but no, Franky sees a VERY clear female silhouette and goes "he". At that point they expecting their viewers to be retarded. I watched One Piece almost two times. 1800 episodes, and I almost stopped forever. Also, who the hells watches Dub man? Why? Pls, stop. Take care of your brain. Watch anime properly. American voice actors give zero effort. I remember the time I was watching Log Horizon Dub, one of the nerds had one of those highschool football player voices. It ruins the immersion. The nerd should've had an unusual voice, maybe a little high pitched. Since they don't go outside, they have a lower chance of emulating the tones and patterns of speech of the many.

[@hafirenggayuda]

Not too long ago, some people speculate that new comic writers or those who work in Disney actually hate the franchise. These new writer aim to destroy it from within. I used to think the conspiracy theorist overreact, I just think new writers just dumbass who can't write. But seeing how localizer treat their work like this, I now think the theorist are right.

[@dantesparrow9903]

@@hafirenggayuda even the crazy people start making sense sometimes

[@matrixster6238]

They’re not angry because it happened, they’re angry because he got caught.

[@mythicalskeleton1546]

Localizers just prove that the scripts need to be checked by someone who is heavily into the series, someone who is unbiased on anime or someone who worked on the original script. They can not be trusted whatsoever with any changes, especially when nobody there qualifies for their position.

[@CaptainDCap]

Bro, they cut out the goddamn CREATOR OF THE IP from the show. "Checking the scripts" is way beyond the bare minimum the studios aren't even doing. We need to stop blaming localizers, and start blaming the Anime studios who repeatedly fail to protect THEIR work from vandalization, and even actively PROMOTE IT.

[@somechinesedude5466]

​you basically describe "fan translation" Somebody will have to buy the product & fix it by pirating it

[@sergeantsapient]

Jello Apocalypse. There's a personality I hadn't heard about in ages. I remember when he got flak from the mob when he was poking fun at Tumblr and then later when he decided to shoehorn in a political video with a chronic case of TDS.

[@UncensoredScion]

that Tomb Raider stuff is why ROMs are a good thing

[@mrbrightkills]

Good thing i got ogs on gog

[@IZZYCHAN13]

I have a PS2 to play the PS1 games and Angel of Darkness lol

[@ImprovmanZero]

Kid they tried this crap in the 80s almost killed the industry. to quote SpongeBob "How many times do we have to teach you this lesson old man?" Back then it was DRM making games unusable

[@GD0nly]

"Hm. I do not like this thing I did not create so I will change it into something I do like, then tell everyone that's the official version of it. Yes, this is acceptable behaviour." Insanity. Actually crazy. And this guy's an artist to boot.

[@shorewall]

That's the thing, artists should know better. Artists are the greatest victims of censorship.

[@shmagojirafan5607]

Why would someone want to brag about their stupidity?

[@Nagalior]

It has been like this since the beginning of social media since everybody craves attention and think they're celebrity.

[@DarkCT]

they don't think they are stupid, and they want attention and headpats.

[@TheInnocentRabbitofCaerbannog]

Narcissists They want attention and claps for moral grandstanding

[@Theunamusedflower831]

Facts

[@dansmith16]

They call it chutzpah. There is no gentile equivalent.

[@UltiNateum]

Imagine if comic books got treated like this. "We changed The Joker because he was too evil, and is a psychopath!"

[@MRPandoraHartDR]

Already been done and done well, with Batman White Night and Batman Last Knight on Earth.

[@UltiNateum]

@@MRPandoraHartDR Were they at least good? I haven't read em yet.

[@MRPandoraHartDR]

@@UltiNateum Well when it comes to judging what you find good, I'll just say if you do have a preference for writers and plots White Knight was written by Sean Gordon Murphy and reminds me of Telltale Batman in how it plays out. And Last Knight is a Scott Snyder story. That begins with Bruce is a resident patient in Arkham. So it reads as a fever dream.

[@Ichthyodactyl]

That statement from DiscoTek wasn't decrying the changes.... they decried the lack of 'discretion'. They aren't saying that they are going to try to do better to work with localizers who aren't intentionally ruining shows, they are saying that they are upset that it got leaked. PS: Gamergate was also valid criticisms of gaming journalists that turned into a culture war, so the comparison isn't completely inaccurate.

[@somercet1]

And both were subjected to the same demonization....

[@NotsilYmerej]

By “punch up comedy and smooth over rough patches” they either mean smoothing over a cube into a sphere, and still selling it as a cube; or sanding the treads on a tire.

[@Avenged900]

That part " Rewrite new history so we can to learn from it." That doesn't sound right to me.

[@richardhanck972]

Honestly, the phrase "Rewite new history, so we can learn from it," is on the nose for 1984 I'm surprised it doesn't include an attribution to George Orwell.

[@BeartifulAri]

It sounds straight up Orwellian

[@triton199]

@@richardhanck972 straight doublespeak lol

[@ghoulbuster1]

1984

[@kittehgo]

That is what dictatorships are doing, as an example putin saying that the poles forced the germans to attack.

[@Lunk42]

It's hilarious how they try to act like they aren't doing what they're doing but at the same time they're so egotistical and full of themselves that they can't resist bragging about all the changes they make. They're just complete narcissists.

[@merfyn4838]

Localizars are why AI translators are being so hyped. Nobody will miss those entitled brats once they are gone

[@LuigiTheMetal64]

Update: Google's Gemini AI has been rewriting history in a similar way.

[@snowflakecanary5933]

I'm definitely not pro-AI with the Gemini shit right now, but this localizer nonsense is ridiculous.

[@ghoulbuster1]

@@LuigiTheMetal64 Yeah but none uses that crap.

[@iamhungey12345]

AI translators are more of the lesser evil in times like this. Even the controversy with Google's Gemini crap doesn't change this.

[@IamOutOfNames]

@@ghoulbuster1 People use it to make fun images.

[@KitsuManko]

They want to rewrite history... Didnt they see what happened when Netflix did that cleopatra documentary?.

[@Wr41thgu4rd]

We waz kangs and sheet?

[@niggacockball7995]

Chimps chucking spears...

[@LuigiTheMetal64]

Japanese content should stay as Japanese content. People can get the US stuff from the US easy. Accurate language translating is showing honor and respect, and language-exclusive sayings can be kept.

[@RabidDogma]

No one points him out but I will again - Caleb Cook, translator for many manga, is an AWFUL translator/localizer. Just in My Hero Academia alone, he has a MULTITUDE of awful changes, including permanent names to moves and names - Full Cowl (he incorrectly calls it Cowling), Heartbeat Fuzz (he replaces Fuzz with Distortion), and LUMILLION. Mirio's hero name is LUmillion. LU. Not LE. Look at the kana used for his name. Listen to how EVERY SINGLE CHARACTER THAT SAYS HIS HERO NAME SAYS IT. It is LUmillion. Fans have used every single ridiculous excuse to defend Caleb Cook but the simple fact is that he has reinforced these BAD TRANSLATIONS for so long that they made it into official merchandise now, which the fanboys use as a way to just auto-legitimize what he's ruined. It's fucking disgusting. There are good translators. Usually fan translators but there are some very good official ones too. Japanese can be a VERY hard language to get the accurate intention of the language of, because of English being Subject-Verb-Object and Japanese being Subject-Object-Verb. (That's also how bad translators make excuses for their shitty jobs.) It can be totally off to just translate the literal word-for-word because the intention is clearly something different (which anyone with basic Japanese knowledge will know), but you also have to respect the choices that the authors make. Just because a translator doesn't like what an author uses, there is ZERO excuse for them to change something because THEY prefer it differently.

[@broEye1]

One part that spoke volumes was when he insisted that "large swaths" of the community are racist, sexist, transphobic, etc. No evidence for this aside from the fact that people complain about changes made to "fix" things that the localizers feel to be "problematic". Dude doesn't just hate this and probably many anime, he apparently hates the fans. I'm really tired of this mentality that if you don't like my work, you're a bad person and I don't *want* you consuming my work. Hollywood's starting to realize how dumb that is, but it seems like those responsible have found a new place to engage in their crap.

[@mythicalskeleton1546]

Nobody but the fragile weirdos are offended by anything that is depicted in the tomb raider remasters If you see a big company say "remade or changed for a modern audience" run they are reaching for people who do not exist

[@TBoneTony]

Thanks, there goes my support for these streaming sites who claim that they "support the Anime Industry" yet they go above and beyond to smear the Japanese Source Material for being problematic and smear Fans who call out those changes. Not that I haven't already had little respect for those people since 2018.

[@mythicalskeleton1546]

It's definitely a good idea to ruin your reputation when a replacement is revealed to be way more accurate and does its job properly

[@skiller5034]

And for a fraction of the price too!

[@Sgt_SealCluber]

"Tall or short, if you've got a Richard it means you're a man!" These virtue signalers left that line in the dub and to that I say how "transphobic" of you!!🤣 Pretty sure they left that line in to prime people into thinking this dub was fine and wouldn't think to question their later changes.

[@Tere225]

Never forget that jelloapocalypse got FIRED on a gig he volunteered for 🤣

[@Dkgow]

That he wasn't paid for either. He got FIRED from a FREE JOB

[@JGD714]

Which one?

[@MrThirtyH]

He didn't just get fired, he got BLACKLISTED. And if Discotek refuses to work with him, CR and Funi are not exactly going to be lining up to work with someone so eager to air their dirty laundry. That's what fucked over Vic.

[@TwilightWolf032]

Once again, the petition "Introduce A Code of Ethics for Localization of Japanese Media・ローカライゼーションの倫理規定" was made precisely to put a leash on those localizers!

[@konni0883]

I shared it on Blue Sky.

[@TwilightWolf032]

@@konni0883 Thank you! :D I don't know what Blue Sky is, but the bigger the reach the better!

[@konni0883]

@@TwilightWolf032 Blue Sky is a new social media website. (Jay Graber serves as the company's CEO and Twitter co-founder Jack Dorsey and XMPP creator Jeremie Miller sit on its board of directors.)

[@TurtleChad1]

I like that they're no longer hiding their true intentions, makes it easier for us to call them out.

[@lunatic0verlord10]

And locate them.

[@RigidRat]

Why did Jello even bother working on something he hates so much? If he's freelance, he could've easily chose to turn down the offer. That would've been the respectable way to go about it.

[@triton199]

why would he turn it down tho? he got exactly what he wanted, he got paid to shoehorn his preferred narrative into a product he doesnt like to "own" the people he doesnt like, you know, anime fans.

[@wakuseino829]

@@triton199 Funny story there, actually: The rant the video is talking about also included that he did it for free, with the reasoning being that he could list it as experience for his resume for future job-hunting in the industry. Which means that he literally did it for nothing, since I'm pretty sure this isn't going to be a good idea to list as work experience after getting blacklisted by the company in question.

[@ZeyLogger]

because he is a weak person and can't stand something that doesn't have his same stupid morals and opinions existing, so he decided to change it to feel good about it

[@triton199]

@@wakuseino829oof lol. thats why they say dont shit where you eat

[@SatoshiKenji]

Still baffled how broken these localizers' mind are. They think themselves doing all the good thing in the world and asked to be praised, when in reality, nobody asked and nobody wants it. This is why I sticked with fanmade localizers most of the time, because they're doing it with love.

[@n9it]

Especially anime, no one that's a true fan of anime and japanese media as a whole wants western shit agenda pushed into it. And it's very disrespectful to the creators.

[@Pzykosiz]

For reference, JelloApocalypse used to be in the abridging scene, and it seems he's gone the same way as Team Four Star in thinking he's superior to the original source

[@latios3874]

I don't think thats a fair comparison, becuase looking at some of the behind the scenes stuff with team four star, they show they they actually care about the original show and wanted to make a good product.

[@shorewall]

@@latios3874 Team Four Star elevated DBZ, with more development and pathos for characters than even the original. I think they did more for DBZ in a dull time for the IP, and the renewed popularity I think led to the renewal we are seeing today.

[@UncensoredScion]

And JelloApocalypse kinda fell off a while back, he did a video telling people who to vote for and it was panned by everyone. He did a micro animation series that apparently went nowhere - got on Netflix tho -

[@burningspeed]

A big thing I want to know is, if these individuals really think anime fans are the horrible, vile individuals they say they are, why the hell are they making content that'd attract them and/or want to be a part of the community? Answer is they are full of shit and they know they are they just trying to deflect any and all criticism even if it means making themselves look like complete and utter idiots in the process.

[@Homiloko2]

Guys, keep in mind that the problem is not the localizers THEMSELVES. These people are replaceable. The problem are the people who are HIRING THEM and giving them free reign! The localizers are not doing this behind the producers and IP holders' backs, they are doing it will full permission and encouragement from the higher ups.

[@chavito808]

I know we want Mother 3 to get localized, but nobody thinks what would happen if localizers ruin it.

[@acutelilmint8035]

ai. Japan already released an all ai commercial use ai

[@triton199]

just play a fan translation, nintendo doesnt deserve your money any more than these localizers do

[@mechadeka]

There is no way in HELL NoA would leave that game unscathed.

[@LambdaBelmont]

Mother 3 is a lose lose situation for Nintendo. Leave it as is and tourists will lose their shit and call Itoi and Nintendo bigots, localize it and the people who actually want Mother 3 will be furious for getting a botched release. That's not even accounting for the series wide issue of ​music licensing which stopped the previous games from getting rereleased for years. If anything, the fan translation IS the official one in Nintendo's eyes, why else would they ignore it for over a decade? @triton199

[@TheSketchyartist3]

These types of people should NEVER have access to anime at all.

[@ashervoss5398]

The Localizer Arc continues!

[@kehny]

I think the message good localizers try to spread is alright. Enhance the experience instead of doing 1 to 1. Thats how you get black lagoon and cowboy bebop dubs. But this is taking it to an extreme that will eventually destroy the localising industry and leave a lot of awesome voice actors out of a job.

[@markwatson8714]

That's why it's an issue. You can never do a 1:1 translation from Japanese to English, the languages are too far apart and you're always going to have to change something. Problem is it's already a pretty fraught process with endless second guessing regarding what you're preserving and what you're losing. When morons like Jello or Marchie come along it further complicates the whole thing by politicising the process which forces everyone to walk on eggshells irrespective of whether they happen to agree with the morons or not. End result is those with actual talent will simply leave the industry - why persist in what for many is basically a side gig when you're likely to be attacked by one side or the other no matter what you do?

[@SorrelYT]

@@markwatson8714 A localizers job is to make things make sense and translate vague idioms or puns into ones digestible for their audience. A great example i use is "Heavenly Demon Xaio-Long" - which, depending on the embellishments added based on context, could be literally translated to "Divine evil descending sky blood dragon brother" which... Is absolutely awful and makes 0 sense, but you would never change it to "Heavenly demon dragon brother" either, because while thats a cleaned up translation it is also not digestible by a western audience.

[@dannyhiggins8864]

Crystal Dynamics: TRIGGER WARNING: THIS GAME IS PROBLEMATIC!!!!! Me: Wow, What a waste. The poor children.

[@gankgoat8334]

There is a literal army of individuals/groups who will translate and dub anime and manga for free and at a higher quality. And inspite of that the industry decides to disrespect the portion willing to pay? American dubing industry pretty much has the life expectancy of a disco dancer with a penchant for fast food.

[@doomexe]

This is why I have never paid for anime and have always shittalked dubs. Imports only. Also why I'd be perfectly fine with anime being subs only and videogames either being Japanese voices only or none at all.

[@BasedWukong]

Same

[@grapicusdrinktus]

I will never understand dubs, but at this point it's leaking into subs too. The official subs for Mahou Shoujo ni Akogarete basically rewrite half the characters' personalities.

[@hestiashearth478]

always import from JP, you'll be helping the anime industry too. western localized crap is disgustingly full of woke propaganda

[@thetiredbiker3652]

9:09 rewriting dialogue and plot is a page right out of the old Harmony Gold playbook. Just like HG did Macross super dirty by turning it into the far lesser and nonsensical ‘robotech’, these localizers are actively creating lesser value versions of the original work by corrupting and bastardizing the originals.

[@triton199]

and just like harmony gold, they dont give a fuck about the people who actually consume their product, they're just interested in that paycheck

[@yamato9753]

Everyone, get your Popcorn! New Localiser drama dropped! 🍿

[@hype5456]

Want some butter with that popcorn? 🧈

[@snowflakecanary5933]

​@@hype5456 Sure! 😋

[@satoro26]

Whenever i hear "for modern audience" i instantly remove the game/movie/whatever from my wish list and at best check on it once it's out to see if by some miracle it's not shit. That is a clear red flag because in case of existing franchise it literally means we don't give a fk about actual fans who made this popular enough to exist.

[@Inquisitor-Doi]

"We must clean the slate so people don't remember our past"

[@Dorian_Scott]

Localizers try *NOT* to brag about their egregious changes to Japanese media. Challenge: *IMPOSSIBLE*

[@Dkgow]

So if Crunchy/Funi and Disco didn't care if they did it as long as they shut up, WHY now would the talk about it? Were they so egotistical that they HAD to talk about it? Sacrificing the fact that the company's "May" throw them all out to save face?

[@PeterDanielBerg]

yeah it's just a pr problem for them. they're more upset that jello gave their enemies political capital than they are about his work because they agree with his work

[@AnStocking]

Exactly. People think that the anime industry isn’t aware of the localizer drama. It has been for decades, they just don’t care. And why should they? The vast majority of people are still going to watch regardless and it’s not _their_ reputation at risk. The only way they could potentially lose out is if they made it harder to get these dubs made. There’s no incentive to cater to anti-localizers. And there aren’t nearly enough people in that camp to make a difference.

[@lunatic0verlord10]

And this is why more direct actions may be needed.

[@lunatic0verlord10]

@@AnStocking Well, once the angrier and less peaceful people decide they have enough, they'll have to care.

[@PyrZero72]

Undeniable proof of that thing localizers say never happens actually happening.

[@TheLovedUnbound]

Snitching on yourself is way too popular nowadays.

[@i0am0superBlast]

No no, let the idiots keep snitching on themselves. The last thing we want is for them to go back into hiding.

[@shorewall]

They'll only go back into hiding when they start feeling the heat. They love to brag. We must never forget. Even if someone says they've changed, remember who they were. We can forgive only if someone repents, but never forget. A good memory is the best way to know a liar.

[@Nightmare_KatsuVT]

"This is because large swaths of the anime community are racist/sexist/transphobic/etc." So they're finally saying out loud what they ACTUALLY think of anime fans.... Why people give money to western distributors is beyond me... I'd rather just donate to the ACTUAL Japanese studios if I actually wanna support anime...

[@ratoh1710]

As someone who is studying to be a translator, the question of faithfulness has come up a few times, and every time the message was that changes are fine as long as the meaning and reader impact is as intact as possible. Our teacher also said in reference to thes people that as you get bigger in the space you can get away with far more shit, and he used the word 'shit' here, obviously throwing shade at this exact type of behaviour. Well he used the Danish version 'lort' but it carries the exact same meaning in Danish as it does in English, so both meaning and reader impact is intact :^)

[@TheMarlz2]

In a way, this whole localiser thing really is gamergate 2. Gamergate was about exposing corruption in the games media, and games media didn’t like that, thus through corruption made it look like a harassment campaign, and the exact same thing is happening here!!!

[@starflame34]

Ironically, the fact the companies themselves don't care how the translations are could mean they'll more likely go with AI doing the localization. If an AI can do it faster and without pay, that'll be a huge benefit to the companies

[@maxis2k]

I love how every time these idiots open their mouth, they're just confirming stuff we deduced about the dubbing industry 20-30 years ago. Like encouraging voice actors to act hammy and badly on purpose. Altering as much as they can get away with. And pushing the lie that "the original Japanese producers okayed all the changes." For many years, when people pointed all this stuff out, the defenders would rush in and claim it was false. But now the dubbing directors and producers are outright saying it. I wonder how the defenders are going to spin it now...oh who am I kidding. They were already pushing the "dubs improve upon the original" claim 30 years ago.

[@GM-yg9nq]

"Updated for modern audiences" Is that a red flag? Crimson.

[@Tuskor130]

Didn't the Ghost Stories localizers turn the dub into an entirely different show because "the original was so fucking boring that we just made shit up?" This has always been a problem in the anime industry.

[@BloodrealmX]

Idiots praising that dub is what emboldened the localizers to do it with everything.

[@Joe-hp6jz]

It's astonishing. People would rant about wokealizers changing one single word and being disrespectful to the source, and at the same time praise the Ghost Stories dub as the best thing ever, for changing the dialogue into jokes about rape, sodomy, racism, crackheads and retards. This kind of mentality is the very root of the problem. But don't you dare pointing that out. People get really defensive about their double standards.

[@ZeR0ntnt]

Another more reason why I like subs better than dubs for most shows

[@ShiMusume]

The localizers makes me think of a person getting a job at McDonalds and because they dislike onions they don't put it on the burgers and throw something else instead. If you take a job it is your job to provide the product your employee tells you to provide regardless of you liking it or not. If you find it against your morality to support the product as is you should not support them in any form. However, if you are a talent that took the job for the money you just gotta suck it up and do your job like anyone else. If these people hope to present a show displaying the morals/ story they wish to tell they should make their own show and not change the message of someone else's work.

[@hilotakenaka]

I’m so early, the only comments are bots Anyway, fun fact: the localiser who did this work also had an alt account that made scat/fart fetish porn No I am not making this up.

[@supershoutmonx8327]

what one jello Apocalypse

[@toshio1334]

It's heart breaking to learn that a KZbinr I grew up ended up being pretty corrupt. Though in hindsight he has said some pretty edgy shit on Streams and seems to be more conceited as the years go on.

[@lostnemesis]

I don't understand the logic behind it because it has to hurt their overhead doesn't it because your watering down the product for people who actually want to buy it because the people who care about the show would like it to be as truthful to the original and the manga as possible but they aren't going to buy $100 box set for something that was changed because of a jackass.

[@0Defensor0]

I think the part about available people from other projects voicing extras is fine, especially if you consider that the number of voice actors is limited, so it is simply not possible to have every character a completely unique voice. And if you check dubbed anime from smaller countries, you will find that there is a "core" of about 15 or so voice actors working as the primary cast of everything, if they aren't main characters then they do extras, sometimes multiple different characters in different episodes of the same show.

[@SorrelYT]

Its abuse of an underpaid and easily exploited system. Most high-end VAs are paid by word and not session for a reason. Imagine doing like... a thespian theater show and your director, after you finish, tells you "okay you belong to me for another two hours, now go next door". Its scummy.

[@MrWaifuTaker]

I wanna 1v1 localizers personally... in Minecraft.

[@TheBeardedFrogSage]

I'm shocked and saddened by Brenden. JelloApocalypse was my favorite indie content creators for a while, ironically brought to my attention by "Welcome to Tumblr" where he and the crew denounced the very wokies he's backing now. I'd pour one out for a fallen bro, but I don't want to waste the drink. I'm too ashamed after this display of his.

[@shorewall]

It is really disappointing to see good people turn into bootlickers. But that is the price of staying strong. You have to watch others fall.

[@cheesesteak2795]

Same here 😞

[@AlecMeyer94]

I personally think Discotek did do the right thing by letting go that localizer.

[@SharkyMan419]

They know that they can't make good content, so they want to rewrite and change loved stories and just say it's good because they wrote it. they could make their own games and shows but that takes effort.

[@dogbackwards7658]

People who hate anime shouldnt be working with anime.

[@severren1095]

Anytime companies are like "This is for a modern audience" ITS GONNA BE SHIT! Stop trying to make stuff for "modern audiences" that just tell us HEY DONT BOTHER WITH THIS ITS GONNA BE SHIT!

[@ItDaBiz]

>up until now Jello's reputation has been in the gutter ever since he did that trump derangement syndrome video

[@oriongear2499]

He needs to find a new hobby outside of the Internet.

[@dannyhiggins8864]

Oh you mean that shitty Vote video dude I stop watching him after that god awful video. “Oh I’m not biased” my ass