Flirting with Totalitarianism | David Zweig | EP 354

Ep. 354
Dr. Jordan B. Peterson and journalist David Zweig discuss his role in breaking the Twitter Files, government censorship in society, the extent to which lockdowns were effective, how they affected children in particular, and how one renegade church would not bow to overzealous regulation.
David Zweig is a writer and journalist, with multiple books published, such as “Invisibles” in 2014 and the upcoming “Abundance of Caution” that centers on the effects of the COVID-19 response on schools and children. He was also one of the journalists who helped break the Twitter Files, focusing on the suppression of information to the satisfaction of the U.S. government and the public health establishment.
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- Chapters -
(0:00) Coming up
(1:16) Intro
(1:51) The role of the media
(3:25) How Zweig joined the Twitter Files team
(5:02) Parameters of the investigation
(6:00) Determining relevance
(9:39) Why Zweig chose to tackle lockdowns
(14:13) Having solid stories turned down
(18:44) Bari Weiss, willing to listen
(21:53) What the suppression of voices on Twitter means
(26:23) Public trust in vaccines before the pandemic
(30:45) The biological parallel
(33:00) Overt focus on the pathogen left us blind to the side effects of our response
(35:43) “Stay in your lane”
(30:42) The problem of having too many options
(41:58) Why we have natural, inalienable rights
(47:55) Early data that was completely ignored
(49:52) Weighing risk against value
(53:45) An astonishing lack of curiosity
(54:40) The evidence based hierarchy: where expert opinion ranks
(57:30) The censorship at Twitter exposed
(1:00:25) Some censorship is not unreasonable
(1:01:03) Psychology of troll behavior
(1:03:09) The few can corrupt the whole
(1:05:22)The job of a journalist is NOT to draw the line
(1:07:26) Authoritarian information control
(1:13:43) Confusing a model with actual data
(1:14:52) The error in “techno-solutionism”
(1:18:07) The places that stayed closed and those left outside
(1:22:22) Critical well being dispensed over assumptions
(1:25:10) Asking questions makes YOU the pathogen
(1:27:08) Spying on church members, millions in fines
(1:31:50) Rapidly diminishing returns across time
(1:33:30) The truly affected are those who lost their support systems
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[@Daniel-sy7dz]

God I was so lucky to find Dr Peterson when I was in college. At least one sane voice in an ocean of indoctrination.

[@dll7658]

I'm envious. I was extremely mentally ill during college, and I just _know_ in my heart that hearing his lectures would have alleviated my suffering a lot. So yeah, good for you.

[@rogerc23]

@@dll7658 before you diagnose yourself as mentally ill, first make sure you aren’t just surrounded by assholes. Then make sure you are eating healthy plants, grains, fruits and beans. So you are getting all nutrients and no processed foods or refined sugars

[@FreedomChasingMedia]

It baffles me how common sense takes so long to prevail. When I was in the corporate world it was so bad. They brought in experts all saying the same thing. It was hard to find people that thought for themselves and that were brave enough to stand up. I found a few and helped them write up their exemption letter to avoid the 💉. We seriously need a better strategy to turn this ship around.

[@dll7658]

@@rogerc23 No worries, I didn't diagnose myself, but a psychiatrist at a university hospital. Oh correction, psychiatrists.

[@dll7658]

@@rogerc23 But still, you are right in that sense that those things you mention can really drive a person into a corner until they become mentally ill.

[@trudymiller582]

When the government tried to take away my ability to make decisions best for me , it unknowingly gave me what I needed to know .

[@onegorgeouschick]

Hear, Hear

[@free2beemee]

It became stunningly clear when the talk about Ivermectin became so confounded. The media saying “horse meds” while I knew the huge uses of the medicine in humans. Add to that the doctors that had used the medication successfully and one would have to be blind not to see it, imo. It just didn’t add up any longer.

[@Ana-zm3td]

Well said 👍

[@heaven-is-real]

satan revealed his hand

[@lechaewilliams4524]

Evil, and total corruption for ways than one. Now they are after our children.

[@jennymcgowin9140]

“Why where the casinos open, why were the churches closed?” Exactly! I love this guy! What a wonderful example of a true journalist!

[@donnajohnson3334]

I agree !. I joked to a friend " Didn't you know ?. Covid won't get you if you're picking up strangers in a crowded bar, but for mercy sakes, don't go take Communion at church !".

[@jimluebke3869]

The people behind this are anti-Christian, plain and simple.

[@DarthChrisB]

Because the casinos make money for the governement!

[@thespiritualbadass]

My social media accounts were banned, because I asked why was Walmart open but not small business? Today, I still suffer the same kind of punishment.

[@michaelmaniscalco2191]

My Twitter was shut down because I posted a Pre covid CDC study on the ineffectiveness of mask on the spread of respiratory illnesses

[@OkTxSheepLady]

The political world is no longer divided left and right but rather individual freedom and authoritarian.

[@genericusername8337]

No, you're just dramatic and ignorant. If you get down to what people believe in, it's way more detailed and complex than that, and that's just one spectrum. People, movements and cultures also vary on their attitudes towards specific topics, despite maybe overlapping on others. It's a multi-variable equation, political belief.

[@tbone1212]

@@genericusername8337 your use of the word ignorant puts you in the category of not to be believed ..

[@stevenwilliams1805]

Crazy that people still have blind trust in the government.

[@rogerc23]

@@stevenwilliams1805 people have blind trust in anyone who they think knows even 1% more than them. Wait until you see the sheep move and worship AI.

[@tristan8041]

More like realists and idealists. Modernity has detached people from reality. I’m perfectly accepting of authority if it’s merited and they’re competent.

[@themoralwombat]

My grandfather had a stroke during the first months of the Covid lockdown. I live in Romania and my country - like many others - imposed ridiculous lockdown rules blindly. As he lay in the hospital for a week, me and my family were not allowed to visit, we were not even allowed to step into the hospital. He was alone, in a room full of strangers, not knowing why we weren't visiting. His mental state was rapidly declining, so I'm sure he didn't quite understand that the reason we weren't there was due to the restrictions. He died a week later. The last time we saw him was the day the ambulance took him. There were restrictions for funerals too, so my grandmother, who had been glued to my grandpa her entire life and was completely lost at this point, could not even give him a regular funeral, with his friends and family. The maximum allowed was 6 people. In the end it was just me, my mother and my grandmother. To this day we do not know if we buried the right body. All this so that a few months later the restrictions were lifted anyway. My grandpa was old, so it wasn't such a big surprise that he passed, but I can't imagine people who lost their parents, spouses or children in the same way and were unable to even see them in their final days. Thank you Dr. Peterson for the great work you are doing, always a pleasure hearing you.

[@skinksinthecity]

God Rest your Pa🙏🏻. I'm sure there are many such stories across the Locked Down Countries, & the saddest part is that I'm not one bit surprised, we are ruled by utter Monsters.😔

[@abaker4692]

This broke my heart. I hope your grandmother is a little better?

[@MTech07]

I’m so sorry that your family had to suffer this. My parents at the same time got COVID in December 2020 and even though it was really severe they refused to reach out to a doctor which I supported because we thought it was worst to be isolated alone in a place where people didn’t care than at home. It was a very severe cold and they recovered quickly and safely. They did take ivermectin at the very beginning because my mother it is a chemist engineer and participated is several studies and it is able understand the literature and she read enough to believe it was effective. We all refused to vaccinate because we know how science works and the vaccine was something not developed enough. I did it forced to travel to visit my family and I’m still mad about it. I felt all my rights being violated and I did not enough to fight for myself. One year after I was diagnosed with Coats disease which I believe is related because there are several studies relating the vaccine with damage to the retine. I had never had before any disease. Nothing. I’m still mad.

[@mayameta2350]

Never forget it

[@Dragonologist]

They did the same thing to my father. The demons rule the world and they hire a bunch of cackling fiends to man their hospitals.

[@jpguthrie6669]

I was in Japan during the pandemic, and it was like an island of sanity in a sea of political madness. An interesting thing about Japan is that it operates under a constitution created by the American occupation forces after WW2. The writers of Japan's constitution focused on limiting the power of the government to prevent its becoming a future threat, and greatly increasing the individual freedom of the Japanese people. What did this mean during the pandemic? It meant NO MANDATES. The only restrictions Japan was able to enact during the pandemic were against non-Japanese entering Japan, and that's it. In Japan there were no mandated lockdowns, no mandated closures, no mask mandates, and no vaccine mandates. All measures enacted by the Japanese government were on a voluntary basis, and there were no official or social consequences for non-compliance. In April of 2020 Japan enacted a state of emergency lasting 6 weeks. During this period the government "asked" schools and businesses close, and for people to work from home if possible. Many schools refused on principle to close, because public education is a fundamental public service, and the government is not permitted to deny the people access to public services they are taxed to fund. Other than schools, government offices remained open. During this state of emergency, I had to file my taxes, and found that the main tax office was open as usual, and fully staffed. When the state of emergency ended on June 1st, schools reopened using a hybrid system of online and in-person classes, and businesses tentatively began reopening (though many never closed). In Japan there were no restriction against indoor dining, no restrictions against domestic travel. During further local emergency declarations, the government encouraged businesses to limit hours and not serve alcohol, which many businesses chose to ignore. The government then tried to convince liquor distributors to stop making deliveries to businesses which chose to defy the government's "requests," to which the distributors told the government to go f*** themselves. The pandemic was a surreal time in Japan. With no foreign tourism (which was supposed to start booming for the Olympics), the hotels and resorts were quiet. My family and our friends took several ski trips, then a few beach trips, as well as going camping around Japan. Everything was open. In the meantime, other countries were arresting people for breaking quarantine, banning indoor dining, and restricting the freedom to travel around one's own country. What were the results of Japan's limited approach to COVID? Oddly, fewer people died in 2020 and 2021 than died in 2019. The suicide rate fell, deaths from other causes fell as well, in 2020, there were 22000 fewer deaths than in 2019. Oddly, it wasn't until after the vaccine rollout that Japan began to see an increase in deaths, and since the rollout, Japan has seen some 200,000 non-COVID excess deaths. Shocking, isn't it?

[@Corolla97ww]

Very interesting information on Japan during the pandemic.

[@chewytruthseeker5274]

Thanks for sharing such important knowledge.... very telling, isn't it...😳😭

[@user-do4eq8sr5c]

This info is soooooveryimportant.we,who refuse to getjabbedare so thankful to all of you.

[@joanthompson4559]

Wow, thank you very much for this serious insight.

[@trinitytwo14992]

Incredible, thank you for telling us all of this. Just shows the extent of corruption and abuse of power by the other governments of the world. Chinada is a real thing.

[@ruthevans1249]

What I found the most disgusting and disturbing during the height of Covid in the UK was people couldn’t go to loved ones funerals to say their goodbyes, people were being reported by neighbours if you got visitors whilst in lockdown…whilst at the same time 1000s of people were on the streets in crowds protesting Black Lives Matter, but that was ok because apparently that protest was more important than a virus…. I was soooo annoyed watching that protest, seeing all those people in such close proximity to each other after being told I can’t visit my elderly parents. after seeing that I didn’t listen to any of the advise the government gave. How can a funeral be banned but a mass protest be allowed….. funny how it never caused a mass Covid break out either, they must have been immune whilst protesting 🤯🤯🤯

[@user-do4eq8sr5c]

If you really want info…..read the statement about Japan…. Shocking

[@gazthejaz8910]

@@user-do4eq8sr5c what about Japan?

[@dianaboughner7977]

​@@user-do4eq8sr5c Yes, what about Japan? What info am I looking for? I am curious now and realize that I didn't hear much about that country during the covid years.

[@Shar1022]

Yes, a BIG WHY on those things.. can’t go to loved ones funerals, deaths, gravesites, reunions, etc. “something” was going on for sure. 😨

[@jburma]

David Zweig is very obviously one of the honest actors in journalism. I love how energetic he is about every topic. He's brimming with light.

[@galaxytrio]

I commented something similar, but far less elegant.

[@EscapeTheMatrixRightNow]

​@@galaxytrio Congratulations, would you like an accolade 🎉 here is one specially for you! 🌟

[@dixonpinfold2582]

@@EscapeTheMatrixRightNow Why not save acid sarcasm for a more blameworthy target?

[@lanebarker60]

I'm noting right along with David. Skepticism and questioning is so important.

[@hismercysavessallysue5927]

Excellent interview, and I'm super grateful for all those simply speaking the truths, unafraid and with courage. As a single person, I put my entire 30 year career, retirement, etc on the line to stand against the unscientific tyranny. No way was I willing to comply with lies, but I'm a Born Again Christian that walks very closely with God since 2016, so I knew regardless of whatever persecution I had to face to stand on the truths, God would make a way for me....and HE DID :)

[@MARKNORMANDSINNERTHOUGHTS]

Where were you guys walking i wanna join sometime please iv never met the man and I’d really love to have a chat with the good fellow

[@hismercysavessallysue5927]

@@MARKNORMANDSINNERTHOUGHTS The more you ridicule me, the more treasures I build up in heaven where Im spending eternity :) All others that don't believe Jesus came to take away their sins, will burn in hell for eternity :( I hope you come to know Him too :) Have a fabulous weekend :)

[@hismercysavessallysue5927]

@@MARKNORMANDSINNERTHOUGHTS A reprobate has a hardened heart though, and can't come to know Jesus :( Maybe that's why you don't know He exists? Because He wrote His laws on every human's heart, and ALL know He exists. But many are hardened by Satan...hence they cannot find Him and they never take time out of their lives to seek Him :( I was one of those reprobates for 45 years of my life...until I almost died, came to the end of my flesh. So as I never mocked Christians like many reprobates are doing here, I was heading to hell and had no idea. But God tells His children the children of Satan will mock and despise us....and that's okay :)

[@goldenrules3763]

Amen!! We can do ALL THINGS through Christ, who strengthens us! 😊🙏💕

[@hismercysavessallysue5927]

@@goldenrules3763 AMEN! :) I leaned on that scripture a lot the past few years :) I also read the Word as much as possible daily, and have audio bible playing in my home 24/7...lol THAT is surely what got me through all the persecution, threats, etc :)

[@josefinarodriguez1768]

I have a coworker that was sober for over 5 years b4 the so called pandemic . Because of the lockdowns he went back to alcohol now he is worse off from where he was. So sad he has been hospitalized now so many times

[@melissakimbrough2900]

😢🙏

[@ryanromens3270]

The plan worked

[@Which-Way-Out]

All pre planned to destroy as many lives as possible, and people still don't know the full extent of the agenda that worked as intended. Trans-humanism and the technocratic distopia and the virus that NO One has been able to isolate. A Plandemic not a pandemic.

[@Sig.Angelina9765]

Remind him/her.

[@DailyRoutine324]

My role model...I'm blessed to discover him at this age( 24)

[@DennisDear-qt7uj]

U have the same roles. Cool😅

[@platotle2106]

​@@DennisDear-qt7uj David or Jordan?

[@chaechong8199]

Yea, Jordan's OK but I had better Professors than him when I went to school. On KZbin I prefer Thomas Sowell, he's SUPER COOL and way less nagging cringe angry for no real reason mad dad yelling vibe but delivers the basic same lessons in a way HAPPIER MANNER, I'd rather have Sowell as my father than Jordan Person anyday for sure

[@ablestationfoxtrot8037]

Yep

[@smelltheglove2038]

I hope you don’t flee Ghana and stay to try and fix that country, you know, clean your own room before you try and take on the world.

[@PlateArmorUnderwear]

God bless Jordan. Top notch podcast.

[@joannfrost4943]

Love these brains

[@LYNNSTER1971]

The last half of grade 8, all of grades 9 and 10, and now nearing the completion of grade 11, have all basically been write-offs for my 16 year old daughter, in terms of both attendance and academic performance. She held a 94 overall average in the December 2019 reporting period. She is one of many students who struggled severely in adapting to an online mode of delivery of classroom instruction and course materials. This was IN ADDITION TO the social impact of being physically separated from her peers, and the ultimate devastation to her social development over the course of 2020 and 2021. Most of her classmates continue to this day to struggle academically in some way or other…but for my daughter it’s led to educational disaster since the very beginning of the pandemic. She will be 18 in a little over a year, and neither she nor I have promising hopes of her completing grade 12 with marks good enough to enter college or university with (although I’ve kept a tight lid on my fears and outlook on this where she’s concerned).

[@JordanBPeterson]

I hope she hasn't permanently disheartened. My daughter struggled with academic difficulties consequential to ill health but prevailed in the end. 18 isn't very old. There's plenty of time left. Say hi to her for me.

[@LYNNSTER1971]

@@JordanBPeterson Thank you, Dr. Peterson. I sure will!

[@ShitLibNPC]

I understand the shift to online school has been a challenge for your daughter, however, if she had straight A's pre covid, even if she got straight C's online, she should still have plenty of options for college or university. The Ivy League schools are no longer an option, but as long as she graduates high school then she will get into a community college guaranteed. Do well there and transfer opportunities will arise.

[@janiceperkins4340]

I understand, we have 2 grandsons who completely missed out on their Graduations! It was so heartbreaking ,all around 💔😥 Just be there and support her as best you can ❤

[@theresap2920]

I'm so sorry! I wish the best to your daughter.❤❤❤

[@kronack]

Thank you for allowing David to speak. He appears to have a lot to say and didn't feel like he could until now. Interesting conversation. Much appreciated.

[@ST-rt1qm]

Dr. Peterson please do a LONG one like this with RFK JR.

[@jacquelinealthoff5842]

Words out of my head..I could never articulate to this level. I wish I could share this with so much of my family that fell into this trap...that now they act to like they forget. But they'd never donate this much head space to information. Just listening. I think many have allowed themselves to become mentally limited to the sensationalized partisan television news format....bright, loud, word salad, pandering, digital running strip s of Wallstreet numbers and headlines from other news stories and professional sport stats....the overloaded stupifying casino like tactics of the modern mainstream media.

[@dianeholden3499]

Exactly, many don't care or don't want to listen to any other view point. Or look at any other studies. They just say science says...well which science??? Drives me crazy.

[@galaxytrio]

I love David's honest enthusiasm. What a nice Jewish boy!

[@richc369]

Jordan I would love for you to do an updated deep dive into the new bill c-11. As a Canadian I am concerned that in the near future I will not be able to access your content through this bill passing recently. My fellow Canadians are asleep at the wheel unfortunately and are allowing this government to turn Canada into a dystopian nightmare.

[@paulgering7703]

He should get JJ McCollough to interview, an avid adversary of the bill.

[@directinprint]

Yes!!! +1 here!!!

[@nancyg7051]

Always hated dystopian movies and now we are living one! I want it to end already with some heroes swooping in to save us! Thank you, Jordan, David, Elon for valuing free speech, Russell Brand, Mike Taibi, Bari Weiss, Dr. Aseem Malhotra, Jimmy Dore, JP Sears, Tucker Carlson, Bret & Heather Weinstein, Dr John Campbell, Naomi Wolf, Luke Rudkowski and many more, thank goodness. Still quite a struggle against the machine that we face… Hope Tucker is right…”Where can you still find Americans saying true things?” he said. “There aren’t many places left but there are some and that’s enough. As long as you can hear the words, there is hope. See you soon.”

[@karnagefails333]

It's gonna get a lot weirder.

[@richc369]

Don’t forget Rogan.

[@iWyLD]

It's Matt Taibbi

[@static825]

Abby and Rob Martin, aaron matte, chris hedges, Max blumenthal...

[@Wisconsin_Al]

Tucker Carlson is hardly one to provide "truth." There was a reason Fox fired him. Some of these others I know and the ones I don't I will look forward to hearing more about!

[@susangoodman2598]

😂 Jordan Peterson is always level minded and huge memory for what he says and deep insight so humble and a genuine decent person. Thank you for being so understanding and sharing your knowledge. I enjoy following such a very interesting intelligent conversationalist, and teacher.

[@lorenemiddleton2245]

God bless all the departed souls,Im hoping everyone that lost loved ones are being comforted by our holy Father.What has happened to the world is pure evil and the vengence is Gods.

[@annewilson6648]

Thanking God once again for the righteous Dr J P-. A MAN OF COURAGE AND INSIGHT.. WE FOLLOW YOU "OUT OF EGYPT,(I ""..Head m up Move them out!".....wonderful interview with another hero who is living and moving IN THE LIGHT..ALWAYS NEW AND SOMETIMES WONDERFULLY SURPRISING .. "He gave marvellous comrades to me, the faithful who dwell in the land " psalm..(?) Welcome home son !!!!💕

[@jackadam01]

New Jordan video I'm here right on time

[@sueplummer6669]

Me too. Alot of my notifications get lost in the Ethernet. I'm glad I saw this just 6 minutes after I got the notice. Maybe my notifications are fixing themselves. Yeah......fat chance.

[@theexiles100]

One has to wonder, as a media giant like twitter, or Google, or Facebook, if you suppress information by censorship, which subsequently turns out to be true, and that information could have helped prevent injury. Could they and should they be subject to litigation?

[@sassy6292]

I think someone will be selected as a scapegoat and it won’t be lord and master fauci.

[@annabellepepper3319]

Nuremberg-style trials would be more appropriate for crimes against humanity!

[@pse11150]

Hey, zey vere only followink zere orders.

[@stevejohnson149]

The tech giants collude with government as JP often brings to light. The government has their backs. Good luck litigating the untouchable.

[@onegorgeouschick]

​@@pse11150 😂

[@Artofwarthebookof5rings]

Who better then Jordan to do a deep dive on the twitter files.

[@IndependentThoughts911]

Certainly not JBP whose channel censors comments just because they disagree with his highness. He's a Tyrant!

[@begie666]

Thzz guy is fake. I .

[@jonathanray7931]

​@@begie666 Who's fake? Jordan or Elon? Why is he fake? Thanks.

[@ThatGuy-cj1xq]

​@@begie666 You're either a bot or an NPC.

[@EscapeTheMatrixRightNow]

Joe Rogan

[@freedomofspeech6905]

They must be held accountable ⚖️⚖️⚖️. RFK Jr. for 2024

[@helmeteye]

RFK, while he speaks a good game, would end up giving the government 10 times the power it now has. He suffers from terminal Gell-Mann Amnesia. He has yet to realize that the very same people who pushed this are the same people that push the global warming hysteria. His populism is a clear and present danger, because his emotionalism will sweep up the same women that would vote the entire West into gilded cages.

[@cindybrady5332]

I appreciate Dr Jordan Peterson. All his discussions are a learning experience for me. Thank you!!!!

[@CtRacerX]

FINALLY SOMEONE WILLING TO GET DOWN TO BUSINESS. THANK YOU @JordanBPeterson!! You know you are a G-d send!! Shalom!!

[@taniagarciaduenas48]

👌🌏🕊️🕊️🌌

[@vanveen8472]

my wife worked in a long term care facility for the aged and I observed that it was probably the worst time in history to face the end we all will, if life were fair all those who did this to our society would face the same end

[@alexfox4647]

The 3rd Reich was also "trying to do the right thing". That doesn't absolve them of responsibility for their actions.

[@irisessex90]

I’m not so sure the 4th Reich isn’t rising after all NWO sounds pretty close to it. Just sayin….

[@robertadams6606]

Yea it was to protect the people from these things, but they use it to gain control of the masses. This is not new stuff it's been around for a long time. They just set the ground work.

[@nicolesalter2726]

I always find myself baffled that despite witnessing firsthand the obvious bad faith of our overlords, these brave journalists always make a point of saying they suspect nothing nefarious. It's ao weird that their logic only takes them so far despite the overwhelming evidence that we were lied to straight down the line to an extent that cannot be explained by gross incompetence.

[@ashleygatewood]

I agree and I was certainly frustrated by this. But I don't want to get my news from anyone who isn't skeptical. I don't want a conspiracy theorist writing articles. We need balanced, if not unsuspecting journalists digging into the information and discovering the pattern of truth/or the pattern of the lie. I thought his approach was exemplary of a seasoned journalist. Though within myself, there were red flags going up by Summer of 2020 - my head blew off by 2022...I think if you weren't the actual target you couldn't feel the weight of the thing. His empathy for that church in particular was profoundly moving. The 'overlords' were working to round up all the unvaccinated, segregate us and punish us by taking away our jobs, livelihood, food....it's coming again at some point, this was just a dress rehearsal. The other strange thing is that the 'maga republicans' were being grouped with all other individuals, esp Christians, who refused the vaccine. There was just something else going on. They still haven't dug into it enough.

[@elizabethporter6398]

​@@ashleygatewood oh it's been very well dug into. One example ivor Cummins a few days ago. The great reset in plain English

[@colleendavis7181]

Thank you Dr Peterson for always facing the difficult things that most people are afraid or don't have the power to do; searching and finding the truth!

[@ericgoldstein4734]

I can’t thank you enough for airing this interview! It is so refreshing to see a professional journalist embody the true nature of that profession: that is, examining significant issues from a neutral viewpoint and coming to a conclusion based on the facts they uncover. There is nothing more critical to our individual empowerment than Freedom of Speech and I have great respect for the two of you for examining these topics forthrightly! Eric

[@shamamasepah3732]

lets hope that you get to see my comment , i'll always remember yu as "THE HONEST MAN" cause yu are so real and i feel what yu say and being utterly honest thats what my religion teaches me too yet yu proved it , i love your work and as a Muslim I really see the light and soul in you , may your words never ever be lost , happy to have discovered you

[@SheFoundAllah]

Thank you Jordan for speaking out ♥️

[@ponypetedm]

Great conversation thank you both, keep up the good fight. ❤

[@domiparavasilinus603]

I rarely comment on these videos, but I have to say this was an especially interesting one. I hope there IS a part 2 with Mr. Zweig.

[@deirdreosullivan7292]

My husband died during Covid. My children came from Australia and Canada. I refused to play their game so we nursed him at home, had a big party in our home,the night before he died. We refused the usual funeral, had a garden ceremony in the wonderful sunshine and put the word out to come to the house. We gave him a great send off. Proud to have bucked the narrative.

[@karnagefails333]

Thanks Jay. You're the man!

[@flapjackson6077]

That was eye opening. David Zweig is a very interesting fellow. He’s honest, and that’s what we need more than ever.

[@patriciakimball8150]

What a beautiful soul, this David Zweig.

[@leon3283]

David's energy is infectious! Bravo for all the courage and effort during one of the darkest times of our age. This is what journalism should be. Thank you!

[@paulschultz2751]

I am surprised that KZbin did not censor this interesting enlightening interview as “dangerous misinformation”.

[@elroy3421]

So happy that Dr. Peterson is finally seeing the light (or darkness) of the Covid agenda. Thank you

[@publius5128]

Prime people to accept authoritarianism and totalitarianism, wreck the economy and transfer wealth up, and de-population. The fact it happened in an election year AND the year of the BLM "protests" (color revolution attempt) is also NO coincidence...

[@danieldornyo3041]

Right

[@faza553]

@@danieldornyo3041 You recall: "Just get the d*m** vneedlecraft?" Unlikely, we'll be able to drop out from the globalized future of surveillance...

[@nicolesalter2726]

I don't think he fully is. He still says things like "societies have evolved to determine that freedom is the best course" when in fact that is a unique phenomenon that is embraced by fewer and fewer countries. Human rights are bestowed by God. Without that higher authority, they can be bestowed and withdrawn by the government at whim. As a Canadian he should know that.

[@hancehanson4000]

@@nicolesalter2726 Agreed.

[@irisessex90]

Jordan Peterson gives me hope for a better society and world. I pray his light keeps shining. God bless, guard, and place a wall of his protection around him.

[@joyfuljennifer4125]

Thank you Gentlemen for this very important conversation 👏🏻 appreciate the service you both have done today and continue to do in the future👍🏻👏🏻🙌🏻

[@ramonsantana674]

Knowledge will set you free! It's just amazing all the relevant and important information Dr. Peterson and the interviewees share in this channel, things you just wont see any other place. Thanks Dr. Peterson

[@Stenlin1]

Thanks 😊😊

[@deniserothwell6325]

I love Jordan Peterson and the guests he has on as they a world of sanity amongst the madness.

[@meganbartlett8453]

Wow thanks David and Jordan For really touching on important areas of discussion within our current lives. David it is so good to hear your final statement of the changes and growth.

[@Snake-filledChimp]

Oh, my... an actual journalist, a rare breed these days. Good to see they still exist.

[@jeromedenis100]

Great interview. Thank you Jordan and David, lest we forget what they did in the early 20's. I won't forget !

[@CanWeGetDeep]

Let’s get it. Happy Thursday

[@weslee511]

If even possible, there needs to be MUCH BETTER oversight and accountability for those involved in bioscience, A.I., and weoponry in general both locally and internationally....but i dont see how thats possible.

[@monikahiggins1692]

The passionately uttered fragment on the closed church was the most important and most fundamental point in this conversation. It sums up how wrong the extreme measures that were undertaken were.

[@Gorbyrev]

The Daily Telegraph published an editorial that gave the shocking information that Church closures, churches shutting for good, accelerated to 8 times its pre-lockdown level. The situation was similar here in Scotland. But this was complicated by the over zealous response from church leaders who focused almost entirely on the fear that churches might become a vector of Covid transmission. Half of the addicts we worked with as a church died during lockdown. More people died in our parish from lockdown effects than Covid. Thankfully the Scottish Government will never again be permitted to shut churches. This was established by court ruling, but incalculable damage has already been done.

[@christiaan4music]

During the pandemic I kept waiting for Jordan to speak out on all the craziness that was going on. It took very long for him to start but boy..... he's going all at it now.

[@mattsawatzky5165]

Because the Overton window has been shifted to the degree that these conversations are socially acceptable in the mainstream narrative. It’s heartening that JP is finally speaking up but disappointing that he pretty much waited until it was safe

[@christiaan4music]

@@mattsawatzky5165 you think that is the reason? If so, that would be disappointing.

[@JohnSaber]

This is real journalism Jordan. Much Love ❤

[@ninakamenic3679]

Amazing conversation as always ❤ I'm so glad I found Dr Peterson back in 2018 🙏

[@lovegrenv]

Wonderful interview. I can really relate to David’s transformation and changing your set of friends. A fellow contrarian ex Dem

[@TheSurebert]

To bad his speech was so pressured. It was kind of grating to listen to. Jordan is always wonderful to listen to. Thank you for all you do Dr Peterson!

[@annaleporace3283]

Jordan, I am sure many of us have experienced a shift in consciousness these past three years. It would be a good idea for a topic to talk about: "Shift in consciousness during Covid"

[@debramoore1428]

Loved this simple breakroom discussion! That's a compliment. Two guys mushing through a big thing so easily. Story telling as it is meant to be.

[@tele-gramMrjordanpeterson]

👆let taik on telegram ....

[@debramoore1428]

@@tele-gramMrjordanpeterson I can not, perhaps will not learn how to do that.

[@kennymountcastle9227]

David icke was calling this stuff out decades ago and still is, and still is suppressed

[@davidshiller178]

Thank you gentlemen for an honest and open discussion. Knowing there are thinkers like you in the world gives me hope for humanity.

[@tacmason]

This kind of heart to heart discussion is very important now - more than ever !

[@rhondapaden6863]

Thank you Jordan!! Wonderful as usual ☺️!!!

[@ashleygatewood]

This was very therapeutic; it's comforting to continue to hear positive confirmations that I wasn't losing my freakin' mind and that he, you and others felt the same about all the strangeness going on. I liked the pathogen analogy too, unsettling but deadly accurate.

[@periculumesse1525]

No, you are not alone. But you may want to get used to feeling alone or independent. If you think, question, you will feel alone. Yet this is this only way to live in the truth. You can only be truly at peace, when you think for yourself. I'm free.

[@user-vv4rg7xw9h]

David seems a really lovely person, and his honesty is compelling. Well done and steady on!

[@austinduimstra4773]

Wow, it's nice to see a real journalist. They're quite a rare breed nowadays. I appreciate the conversation with David, and I look forward to seeing his work in the future.

[@thegeneralist7527]

"Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts." Richard Feynman

[@RosannaONeill]

Brilliantly articulated, thank you for airing this, intelligent, informative, and helps to navigate forward out of this insanely irresponsible last three years of government, media and pharmaceutical coercion on the general population.

[@jessicamelu3353]

Great interview and so thankful for the brave approach of getting the truth out.

[@Milestonemonger]

Wow! I'm thrilled you took on this topic, Dr. Peterson. Somebody had to!

[@trip83]

Exodus looks fantastic.

[@My56David]

Thank you for another insightful conversation.

[@yoosyeni]

I have said it a million times, and I am going to say it again: I LOVE seeing people be so excited to talk about their field or anything else. David Zweig's face changes into so much astonishment and joy when he talks, and yet he is so genuinely interested when Jordan talks. Loved t.he video, thank you, Jordan!

[@amardourado6839]

Excellent interview! 👏 👏 👏 👏

[@lionarar5981]

Please could you interview either Damian R. Murray, Mark Schaller, or Peter Suedfeld, the researchers that discovered the correlation between the rate of infectious disease and totalitarian thinking? It would be an enlightening service for everyone.

[@coffeechocolate7364]

I’m wondering if either has thought about the childhood vaccine schedule has changed since 1960…from the few vaccines to now? One can understand why parents have hesitation beyond what we have experienced in the past three years. Love the informative interviews and exchanges!

[@ryanromens3270]

Don't question, they need the profits

[@l.w.paradis2108]

I agree with that. Some researchers have been pointing out that the best childhood vaccines, administered at the right time, make children's immune systems stronger overall and resistant to other infections, not only the one against which they were vaccinated. I say research vaccines and be sure to get those. See what other countries are doing. I always check other countries' ministries of health online, like UK, Switzerland, the Scandinavian countries, Germany, France, Netherlands, etc.

[@A_Pie323]

Uhhh yeah, it’s gotten totally out of control. I’m GLAD they showed their true colors these past 3 years. Big pharma hasn’t earned anyone’s trust in decades, and all the shenanigans that happened really opened a lot of people’s eyes, including mine. I have a totally different perspective on pharma and drugs and jabs. I don’t trust them at all and am probably now overly cynical and jaded.

[@dthain]

One?

[@dthain]

What do you mean when you say "one can understand"? what one are you talking about

[@charlene8551]

Dear Dr Peterson can you please invite Dr Sowell on the show I would love to see that talk as you both are brilliant men. Thank you for these shows 😊

[@gdavis12345678]

I was really happy to use the 'L' key heavily in viewing this video (skip forward). Way more than half of the time was Dr. Peterson proclaiming and theorizing. I wish more time had been given to this very interesting guest.

[@PGproductionsHD]

Can’t wait to see you in Cyprus on the 11th

[@concernedcommenter8258]

This is just amazing. These conversations are so intelligent. It’s like pure insight. I can’t believe I enjoyed watching braindead youtube videos before encountering this.

[@jamesobsidian6924]

Thank you gentlemen for the conversation. Did not know some of the data and its very illuminating. Thank you for speaking the truth.

[@judiththymes1532]

Two truly courageous voices! Ty.

[@michaelamuehlbauer]

I very much hope Jordan talks to Stanisław Burzyński one day. This might also be highly interesting.

[@ryanromens3270]

Are you trying to get people killed. Some people are verboten

[@RoninDosho]

Great interview! Thank You. A comment for David Zweig, regarding his approach to whether or not the C19 phenomena was orchestrated by nefarious industries/govts. While I appreciate his necessary approach to journalism, I find myself troubled. Possibly the only explanation is, if not nefarious agencies, is "Gross Incompetence", which might actually be worse for our culture. Or perhaps some combination of both exists, as a sort of multi tier societal phenomena.

[@smelltheglove2038]

They use “gross incompetence” as an excuse or as camouflage for their nefarious actions.

[@scrout]

Way too much on purpose.....no one is that incompetent....

[@IndependentThoughts911]

So you believe there was a global conspiracy between nations who can't agree on anything?? Yeah, That makes perfect sense. /s

[@icydawn4257]

@@IndependentThoughts911 look up W.E.F. Klaus Schwab & Noah Harai, W.H.O. Tedros they are all part of the Agenda they planned… agenda 2021/2030… Event 201

[@scrout]

@@IndependentThoughts911 why be a DS? People took advantage and played politics with our medicine. The WEF, IMF, etc all play ball together just fine. The NIH, CDC, AMA, all lock stepped against all alternative treatments without a shred of data. What exactly are you defending?

[@kwall1464]

Thankful for this discussion, thank you both!

[@alexduran6268]

Thank you gentlemen great work !!💪🏼

[@pNEPic99]

Thank you, Dr. Peterson for shining a bright light on subjects intentionally kept in the dark by our criminally corrupt media.

[@edytatehrani3934]

Good discussion. The main problem was lack of transparency, arbitrary nature of these intervention, and lack of any logical consistency in them. An additional thing that baffled me in messaging of public health authorities, politicians, and media is that while they wanted to protect the public from the harms of "conspiracy theories", they kept doing what they previously called a crazy conspiracy theory. I remember that when liberitarian and conservative people were warning that eventually people will be forced or coerced into vaccinations and mask wearing, they said that it is a crazy talk and that they will never do it. Then, they turned around and did it. That just proved the " conspiracy theorists " right. And it made many other people who were not conspiracy theorists before into ones. One of the most damaging effect of it is the loss of trust toward public health authorities, politicians, and media.

[@shok24199]

David seems like an extremely genuine person. He combines journalistic curiosity with logic and compassion.

[@jologo18]

Fascinating conversation! Thank you both, and keep up the good work.

[@Flat-White]

A reason was found to bypass every hurdle to get as many people as possible to take it.

[@czelantini]

Mr Peterson, I hope you can see now that the small group of people "beating the anti vax drum" were in fact sounding the alarm to very serious safety issues in the vaccine program. That safety studies are seriously lacking and there are major conflicts of interest on the gov regulator side.

[@kynderium5053]

This one just kept getting better and better, all the way to the end. Not often that you get a talk that culminates in such an articulate summary. Truly an insightful conversation.

[@Best_Life_Coaching]

Thank you!!!

[@kuriiiboy2]

I'm reading 12 Rules For Life right now. I'm only on the second rule, but I'm enjoying it. Thank you.

[@RoddyFuhr]

Today, many people are being severely punished for defending our individual civil liberties. Our culture must start finding this extremely unacceptable. And, on the contrary, it must become very desirable in our culture, for people who infringe on our individual civil liberties, especially those in power, to be charged, and if convicted, severely punished for their crimes.

[@vally711]

Great interview. Love David Zweig’s passion. And love Jordan Peterson, that goes without saying.

[@the1beard]

Brilliant Thank you 🙏