Beware of Misleading Disc Detainer Lock Picking Videos

[@LockNoob]

I’m not throwing any shade on anyone, but I think it’s important to be as clear as we can be regarding picking these disc detainer locks so that newer pickers are not left disappointed and confused. Do you agree? Let me know in the comments 😃👍

[@LockNoob]

Lauren Arndt no, not forgotten our chat and to be honest, I made this video a small part in response to it and other comments on various other channels and forums. I still stand by my comments to you then, but it did open my eyes to there being a lot of general confusion out there so I thought I would try in my own way to help. I hope it does for at least someone! Edit: I didn’t answer your question. I tried rear tensioning as per normal: didn’t work. Tried front, didn’t work. I looked at the key to see why and ascertained it must be centre tensioning. That’s not cheating per se, just what happened. TBH, it’s really not hard to find the disc to tension off as you only get good feeback of the zero discs and it wouldn’t take long to go front to back tensioning of each disc and finding what binds the others.

[@LockNoob]

Lauren Arndt yes, you just have to find one zero disc by trying each in turn. It doesn’t take too long but it is, I’ll be honest, horrible to centre tension. You slip off the discs, you loose your place... I’d rather front or rear tension

[@LockNoob]

Lauren Arndt yes, I could do with one of those. Centring both parts on tight keyways is essential for picking the lock

[@RWBHere]

Very reassuring information and clear explanation, Ash. Thanks. Thinking objectively, these locks are as variable in 'pickability' as any other decent type of lock, so we shouldn't be surprised to find 'easy' and 'difficult' examples, even from the same manufacturing batch.

[@huxleypig69]

This is a brilliant point. I have long been saying this, that many locks will not let you use the 'non 0 front tension disc' trick. Using the silver bullet in centre tensioning mode is somewhat of a last resort because, like you highlight, it is a very hard technique. But possible. Which leaves us needing a better solution ideally. Of which I have 3. Option 1 is use a 3 in 1. This gives you a pick either side of a tensioner. It also allows for front and rear tension too, you simply ignore the extra pick tip. Options 2 and 3 are methods I am still developing but they both get around this problem by use of... Creative tensioning, let's say 😊 I'm sure there are many other ways to get around random 0 disc tension too.

[@LockNoob]

Well my friend, I wouldn’t have half the knowledge if it wasn’t for you being generous enough with your time to answer all my stupid questions. 😃😃👍😁

[@markferguson3365]

This is the first video I've seen that actually tells the entire story about DD locks and tension. I commend you sir!

[@laernulienlaernulienlaernu8953]

Well done for being really transparent in all of your videos and not making out your some kind of authority on the topic and know everything about it. Unfortunately a lot of people, not just lockpicking channels, try and portray themselves as experts when they are anything but. What works for one person isn't always the best for everyone.

[@LockNoob]

Absolutely, I know excellent pickers who take a far different approach to picking than myself.

[@dazevers]

You are so right, about some brands of DD lock, only a couple of weeks ago I picked an Oxford HD mini bike lock, that I’ve only ever soon picked using a top tensioning DD pick, & the only way I could get it open was using a rear tensioning tool. One thing I will say is the higher end DD locks definitely need practice. But it’s all worth the effort as they are fantastic locking systems. Have a great weekend. 😎👍

[@LockNoob]

My favourite so far was that Gerda HSS you sent. Lovely lock to learn to pick!

[@brockmitchell3989]

I'm glad I watched this because I didn't realize there was such a thing as center tension and rear tension. Thank you for making this video.

[@LockNoob]

Thanks 🙏

[@Suiseisexy]

lol I only figured it out by wondering why LPL seems to avoid Abus Plus, so great video actually yeah

[@Kumunyo]

I know this video is now roughly 4 years old, but I just got the Sparrows DD pick quite literally a few days ago. When I realized that the first disc was not a zero cut I began to attempt the "find a zero cut disc and tension using the tip" and was very successful in doing so. I'm not sure if this particular lock (Zarker J45S) is just easier or what but I definitely did not have issues in doing this "very advanced" technique. Still, loved the video and the great insight into DD locks, I subbed!

[@LockNoob]

‘Advanced’ is relative of course, but I have seen people struggle with picking using that technique. Glad you liked the vid though 😊😊

[@joshgribbon8510]

Thank you for making this! I had to learn the hard way, I even for a clear DD training lock that wasn't front tensioning so it's been difficult to learn on. After that I got a lock I saw picked with front tension by another lock picking channel, and again the one I ended up getting tensioned on a disk in the middle

[@LockNoob]

Thanks 🙏

[@TonySLocks]

Very useful video for me. I have been trying on and off get into DDs. First problem is my lack of locks - I have 4 or 5, most of which are tough locks ( new kryptonite, new Abus Plus, etc) or so cheap that they open when I try to se all the discs CW before I start picking. Second problem is lack of tool variety ( no middle tensioner, and no solid body for my rear tensioner). Third problem is lack of skill and practice, of course. Put all that together and it is a real steep learning curve ! I was really looking forward to Bristol this weekend, to pick the brains of You, yourself, Matt, Daz Evers, Baldiloks and all the others ! Well, there is always next year !!

[@LockNoob]

Yes, you have certainly made things harder for yourself. I know you have the skills, but you do need the right tools too :-)

[@liamlucky2776]

Great instruction video on this subject matter. I personally would like to see more of this type for the disc detainer education. Thank you Noob.

[@LockNoob]

I do have another vid coming up!

[@benstone1824]

Thanks, i recently got the BB/LPL pick and have been struggling with 3 different locks.

[@LockNoob]

No problem

[@smoothpicker]

Glad I found this video, I also had 2 of the same model number and could rear tension one but no front or rear tension on the other. I thought I was going crazy. I had no idea there was center tensioning. Thanks LN.

[@AC9DJ]

This was very informative, thanks. Question for you, how would you handle a lock with no key to look at and determine the best tensioning disk?

[@LockNoob]

Best is a relative term. Front tensioning is the easiest way by far, so if you feel the discs bind and can feel the gates that way. Go for it. If not and you have a rear tensioning tool, try rear tensioning. If not, try centre tensioning.

[@lizzapaolia959]

Your an exception to the rule. Many of the videos are falsified. There's not a lot of people picking disc detainer locks, unless the are the really poorly manufactured. Many of the cheap ones are manufactured in China. Thank you for sharing your expertise. There's a tremendous amount of licensed locksmiths who have a difficult time opening these types of locks when required. My cousin is a licensed locksmith. He shares his knowledge with us. Thank you for sharing your outstanding videos 🙏🎄

[@zachansen8293]

Locksmith doesn't mean you're an amazing picker

[@mal13able]

i am so glad you made this video ,i have been having problems on tensioning these type of locks,thet are a pain when you are picking because i do not have a look at the key ,it was lost and a neighber gave me his older ,Supercycle Can Tire lock,so far the chinease picks i have tried to customise still no luck,keep on doing great videos a fan mal in bc

[@LockNoob]

Thanks 🙏

[@JONSLOCKPICKING]

I just started to understanding the cuts on the keys. Lol. But I was a believer that one brand of lock tension the same. But now Iam on it. I’m still crap at picking them. But I get they. Just had to revisit this vid. Great advice as always. Happy picking.

[@LockNoob]

Well, you are a superbly talented picker, so I doubt you will stay 'crap' at them for long my friend!

[@Vinlaell]

Thank you for helping us be a more professional community

[@LockNoob]

Any time!

[@johnegginton]

A very valid point well put! I''ve been messing with some DD locks and picks lately and I've been having a nightmare getting anything open harder than a cheap Chinese one. This (along with my lack of skill on these locks) is my major downfall - knowing where they tension from. I will be working on some different tips and home made picks very soon, got a load of metal on order and I've just learnt how to silver solder 😁🥚

[@LockNoob]

Sounds like a project. Happy picking!

[@Pyrolock]

LN -- Thanks for pointing this out and helping us all understand a bit more about disc detainer locks

[@LockNoob]

Thanks 🙏

[@jssamp4442]

This is very enlightening. I also have only front and rear tensioning picks. I am just beginning to learn to pick disc detainer locks and have been having trouble with one of my two cheap practice locks I bought. I count 6 discs and one problem I found early on is that My rear tension pick needs to be filed down to fit through the keyway to the rear, so I can't rear tension it. The key cuts look to be 6 3 0 6 0 3, so from this video I have learned I can't tension disc 1 because it's not 0 cut, right? So I need to tension on disc 3 or 5 or else fix my rear tension pick. Is this correct? EDIT: I have filed down my rear tension pick and got both lock opened now. Thanks for this video. It was a great help.

[@LockNoob]

👍

[@Stu_M]

A couple observations and a couple follow up questions, here. So I've watched a lot of LPL and BB videos using the front tensioning tools that they helped popularize (as I'm sure you and many of your viewers also have). They start by rotating all the discs as far clockwise as they can go with a dimple rake or something similar, but it appears you omit that step. Any specific reason for this? Second, I've seen a bunch of LPL videos where one of the center discs are the zero cut, but he's able to get it open by rotating all the other discs to their true gate, tension the pick tip clockwise off one of the ones still set fully clockwise, rotate the front disc counter-clockwise with the tensioner until it's in its gate, and then rotate both the pick tip and the tensioner clockwise to open. Are you saying this technique did not work for you on that second lock? If so, do you believe it was because of features inherent to this particular lock?

[@LockNoob]

I’ll try and answer everything. I sometimes do rotate the discs all clockwise, sometimes I don’t. Often it’s what ‘feels best’ for me. Technically you should rotate all clockwise since usually a lock has multiple zero cuts so more discs will be in a gate at the start and in theory, give you better feedback. I have a video coming up on this technique where you tension off the front disc regardless of its cut. This works quite a lot but NOT ALWAYS. It depends a lot on the tolerances of the lock. Some just will not give any feedback at all this way; the lock in this video is one of those.

[@Stu_M]

@@LockNoob Cool, good to know! Looking forward to more videos exploring the challenges of disc detainers because I'm still waiting to get a good DD pick and all I have are videos to educate myself at the moment. Came across this vid in my KZbin recs and will definitely continue watching your channel 🙂

[@jacobsamuels295]

I agree with you I think most people may not know if the same model lock will tension differently, especially if they only have one example of that lock, or even multiple examples but that all tension the same. I genuinely think most of the time when they fail to mention this is just an Innocent mistake, or simple ignorance.

[@LockNoob]

I agree there is no malice intended

[@Brodoc]

Thank you for clearing that up for me...very useful and extremely helpful

[@LockNoob]

Thanks 🙏

[@kennicholson1620]

Thanks that explains a lot I ovously have been getting all the wrong locks because I haven't had any luck picking any locks with them tools I was beginning too think I was just useless lockpicker just bad luck all my disc locks must be middle tension

[@LockNoob]

Glad to help!

[@plug4uk696]

Brilliant, this might explain why I've been having so much trouble with some of my DD locks, I will be having a close look at those keys now for any clues has to why they've proved impossible to open so far, Cheers ;-)

[@LockNoob]

Thanks 🙏

[@mikeodell5915]

Disc detainer picking is my next goal. On the hunt for best pick since I missed getting the sparrows one. I've been able to learn SPP and other pin picking. I guess im going to snag a silver bullet. Any other pick u suggest since i don't want the cheap models that require modification anyway??

[@LockNoob]

The Sparrows Disc Pick is a great start

[@b0bjedump]

Was unsure if I would go dimple or DD after 'regular' locks.. hearing this, I'm pretty glad I chose to go dimple.

[@LockNoob]

Both are great to explore!

[@b0bjedump]

@@LockNoob Oh I will, but dimple locks and picks are far more available here.. Don't think I have ever seen a disk detainer lock in any shop anywhere.

[@kevenquinlan]

Poignant. Great Video. Another thing to mention= People seem to think that a lock brand or specific type of said brand determines how hard it is to pick. Completely false. Master Locks get a lot of shit talked about them as they are easy to open. But they're not ALL easy to open. I've had ones that have buggered me for a wee. I work on SFIC's pretty much exclusively and I usually pop them in a few minutes- BUT, I had one that I worked on for 30 until I got it turned. When lock picking, an important thing to remember is it's not the Brand or Type of lock that determines difficulty= It's The Bitting. Period. That's why when I see LPL or BB pick a hard lock easily and it's a lock that I've worked on before it just means that THAT particular lock is easy to pick and might not be indicative of that Brand or Type. Even a Master can present a challenge if the bitting is as hard as can be made. My 2 cents.

[@LockNoob]

I actually like some Master lock's and I agree with you!

[@hoggif]

I've never heard about center tensioning, perhaps a video about the to clarify it more? A good video, never thought it that way!

[@Kitchen6419]

I have seen multiple locks like this in lpl's channel

[@LockNoob]

I have a video that clarifies the more advanced DD picking techniques coming up :-)

[@LockNoob]

@Koustuv Day you have, but remember, not all locks _can_ be centre tensioned using the front tensioning technique as per this video

[@hoggif]

@@LockNoob Looking forward to watching that too!

[@Kitchen6419]

@@LockNoob yes, exactly... This tool can only be used for front tensioning... All I was saying is I saw many videos on his channel which had centre / rear tensioning discs locks, he picked them with either expensive picks or made his own

[@EdocDab]

Good point to highlight Ash. Thanks for that heads up 👍 let us know if you figured out how to diy a pick tip for a back tensioning dd pick. Btw the vice was squeaky

[@LockNoob]

Needs a drop of oil!

[@chriscapune7873]

Very good point! Great information!! Thank you for sharing this!!! 🐈👍🐈👏🐾😷

[@LockNoob]

Thanks Chris!

[@jmugwel]

I really was thinking that it is my fault I can't understand where are binding discs. But now I looked at the key, and yes, first disc is not a zero cut.

[@LockNoob]

yes, they can be all different

[@thumperlockpicking9269]

Thank you, that helps me a lot. I got to modify my pick some more. Have a great day.

[@solidloud1922]

LLP seams to be able to pick either front, centre or rear, with a front tension tool?

[@Leonslockpad]

great video Ash my friend Well you learn something new every day I certainly did😎😊🇬🇧👍👊

[@LockNoob]

Thank you Leon!

[@samuelkeithlianto6883]

For middle tensining lock, how do we know which disk is the disk we have to use to tension the lock?(without looking at the key)

[@roysammons2445]

That's really good information. Do you know if this also applies to the Kryptonite Original Keeper you picked some videos back? Also how many disks does that particular Kryptonite have? Thanks again for uploading this video, it's very good information and advice 👍🏻

[@LockNoob]

I can’t remember the number of discs on that one but I believe that the older Kryptonite locks can all be front tensioned. I could be wrong but in my limited experience, this seems to hold up

[@roysammons2445]

@@LockNoob Thanks for the quick reply. 😁👍🏻

[@armwrestling_nerd]

Would be cool to see the sparrows tool with backk and center tensioning setup instead of its default front tensioninc nose setup.

[@Chirael]

Great video, thank you for the demonstrations and explanations, very helpful! 😊

[@LockNoob]

Thanks 🙏

[@darronb248]

Can u pick a 6th pin tention lock with the mid lock pick you have ?. Arent they able to do all disc d locks ?

[@ieyasumcbob]

Without looking at the key, or the lock design info, how do you know where to tension the lock?

[@LockNoob]

Trial and error, though most will always rear tension

[@ieyasumcbob]

@@LockNoob thankyou!

[@Dnice3477]

Henry aka LPL is very good at picking these but he has never explained what you did. Much appreciated.

[@LockNoob]

Thanks 🙏

[@OldBenOne]

Between front and rear always depends on the feedback.

[@LockNoob]

Indeed

[@nitailevi8001]

Do I understand correctly that you use both pciks of that tool for both picking (in front and behind) and tensioning, and need to switch the tension between them while maintaining it?

[@LockNoob]

Yes 😃

[@HelpfulLockPicker]

Excellent point, thanks for sharing. These is an eye opening concept :)

[@LockNoob]

Thanks HLP 😀

[@TheRealEvengers]

How do you use the tool for the pins 1-3 if the tensioner is on 4. I thought the pick was in front of the tensioner.

[@LockNoob]

You swap the tension over making the picking tip the tensioner and the tension tip the picking tip. It’s hard.

[@lockpickingnerd4853]

It's a very, very good point! Thanks for this video, Lock Noob

[@LockNoob]

Thanks 🙏

[@therealtampadude9175]

When you used the Sparrows pick (front tensioning) did you first rotate all the discs fully clockwise? That seems to be an important first step.

[@yom73]

I didn’t get why you can’t front tension the second lock. Can’t you feel the gates when tensioning from the front? I understand that disk 1 is not a 0 cut but you can tension from another 0 cut disk and position disk 1 at the end . Did I miss something ?

[@yom73]

That said I am unable to pick my new Abus 88/50 but this is more likely because of the butterfly disks in first and last position that push up the bar and reduce the feedback to nearly nothing. Butterfly disks combined with random disk tensioning is a real nightmare !

[@LockNoob]

You got it, it can’t be rear tensioned. On this lock tensioning off a non-0 cut disc leads to the other discs not binding. The ONLY way to pick it is centre tensioning. If you saw someone front tensioning their lock and assumed you could do the same on yours, you would think you or the tool was the problem, when it’s actually just a bitting issue

[@DonzLockz]

I never knew this, thanks for the info Mr Noob.👍😎

[@LockNoob]

Thanks 🙏

[@Keymaster]

Great video! I'm still not sure how to find the tensioning disk. Do you have to try every disk and look on the other disks for feedback?

[@LockNoob]

Yes 👍 but starting from the front dust then rear will sort you out 99% of the time

[@SilktheAbsent1]

Then this brings up the question, we've seen both BosnianBill and LPL tension off of rear or middle discs with their original versions of the tool. So it is possible, we are left to assume, right? Is it just down to the skill of the user, then?

[@LockNoob]

Sometimes, yes. Sometimes no. It depends a lot on the lock. Some locks simply must be centre tensioned.

[@SilktheAbsent1]

That's my point, in their own videos with their prototypes of the tool, LPL and BB have center tensioned with it. So it is *technically* possible, correct?

[@SilktheAbsent1]

Videos like this one are the ones I'm talking about. Where LPL tensions off a zero cut center disc, and counter-rotates disc one, showing that it is possible. kzbin.info/www/bejne/gWOuf5ZqnJJjr6s

[@LockNoob]

SilktheAbsent1 yes. It is possible. It is NOT possible on all locks. Some MUST be centre tensioned as you don’t get feedback tensioning off a non zero disk.

[@miras.6761]

how do you detect if its middel tensioing and how do you know witch disc?

[@hemmethemma8081]

Clariyfied an important point in a good cause.

[@LockNoob]

Thanks 🙏

[@newhouselockandkey]

Where can we buy the rear and center tools

[@AThreeDogNight]

A great job & explanation my friend, have a great week ahead also.

[@AThreeDogNight]

Oh yes I do agree with that as well my friend. That makes a lot of common sense to me at least.

[@LockNoob]

Thanks ATDN 😃

[@Reapsin]

Very good to know, thanks for sharing!

[@LockNoob]

Thanks 🙏

[@kellypaul226]

Great vid Mr Noob. I'm attempting to play with DD locks. Ordered 7 cheap Chicom locks. Can I assume their all front tension? Of course my cheap Daihu DD pick showed up broken. Do you or anybody for that matter know if Sparrows are going to make replacement pick rods? Hopefully they would be universal. Thanks.

[@Kitchen6419]

That picking rod is for manipulating the discs not for tensioning ... That tool would only work for front tensioning locks

[@kellypaul226]

Right Koustuv. I was wondering if Sparrows was going to produce picking rods for sale,not the entire tool.

[@TsiolkovskySportingLocks]

This is a really valuable video and given they are in the thing at the moment.

[@samstaten7895]

Very helpful video as always

[@LockNoob]

Thanks 🙏

[@Jeolas1]

Does anyone have any tips for me where I can get good rear and/or centre tensioners?

[@LockNoob]

There are various silver bullet options out there

[@ViciouslyBuoyant]

I don’t know anything about lock picking, I’ve just watched some videos here and there, but I a had a question. I’ve noticed that the LockPickingLawyer rotates all discs with a tool as far as they can go before, before starting picking; it also seems to me that he often manages to tension from a mid-disk even though he uses the tool that should tension from the first one. Could the two things be related?

[@LockNoob]

Hi 👋 you asked a very similar question to another one below, so I will copy that answer below. The two things you mention are not related in my opinion unless a lock has a whole lot of zero cuts. If it did, more discs would be in a gate when the discs are rotated fully clockwise and that might increase the feedback on the remaining discs - so theoretically possible but practically rare IMO. “I’ll try and answer everything. I sometimes do rotate the discs all clockwise, sometimes I don’t. Often it’s what ‘feels best’ for me. Technically you should rotate all clockwise since usually a lock has multiple zero cuts so more discs will be in a gate at the start and in theory, give you better feedback. I have a video coming up on this technique where you tension off the front disc regardless of its cut. This works quite a lot but NOT ALWAYS. It depends a lot on the tolerances of the lock. Some just will not give any feedback at all this way; the lock in this video is one of those.”

[@ViciouslyBuoyant]

@@LockNoob thanks!

[@unlockeduk]

every disk ive opened has been rear tension admittedly only 6 so far

[@RuneInternational]

after watching this video, people should go watch some of the lpl videos a 2nd time. Then they will have better understanding for why he often have to set the tip a zero disc and spin the front tension counter clook to get an open, after setting all the other discs with front disc tensioning

[@LockNoob]

Thanks Rune

[@kilometrekm]

Does that mean it's still possible to manipulate a DD lock with a zero disc only in the middle with only a front tensioning pick?

[@jonsaircond8520]

@@kilometrekm LPL will load the sparrows in enough to to tension off a lower disk. Pick the lock then tension off the pick and get the top remaining disks with the tension part of the tool. As I've only watched not practiced I imagine there is a steep curve learning this technique. LPL makes things almost impossible look easy, but in the right hands doable

[@citylockapolytechnikeyllcc7936]

Hey, look at you! See you for Sat Morning Live !

[@citylockapolytechnikeyllcc7936]

​@@jonsaircond8520 You practice practice practice.... and then turn on the camera.... and if you have a working key, and the cutting info and code series.... you can determine if the first disk is dynamic, or static. Going up to an unfamiliar lock cold, no data, no existing key, no idea of the product design would be considerably difficult, as most of the time to get the first one open requires examination, trial and error, and ultimately; success.. Rinse Repeat, VIDEO.

[@isabellam1936]

When you were counting at 10:05, I guess you were county what disk you were working on but you didn’t explain what you were doing in the moment on the disk so we could learn. I learned a lot from this video though.

[@BD90..]

I am not at all impressed by rehearsed picking that gives off the impression that a lock is as easy as it is or the person did not practice before hand. I tension the off the rear but prefer front tension tools but they are not all readily available atm lol.

[@LockNoob]

BlackDolphin90 this is a hard topic as I couldn’t do my videos at all without a couple of dry runs and reshooting because I stumble over my words. I doubt many channels approach a lock first time on video. It’s hard to balance what will look like an ‘honest’ pick and what could be deemed showboating. Maybe it’s subjective and all I can hope is I get the balance right for the majority of people 🤷‍♂️

[@BD90..]

@@LockNoob It bothers me only if it is not stated somehow that this was not the first attempt or so

[@BoiseBrit]

I had no idea... And there was me blaming myself for just sucking as a lock picker. OK, it probably was me just sucking as a lock picker lol But, this is a very valid point and one that we can all learn from... Add to that the Bosnian Bill video about people stealing your confidence by scamming an open, or my problem right now is I am still getting the feel for SPP, I still have two Masterlock No.3 padlocks that everyone says are easy to open, these two little buggers have extremely bad bitting for me right now (Deep on 1 and three). I have other No.3's that I can rock, Rake, Zip, but not these two. Excellent point, and excellent video... Since you started I have watched your confidence and skill in presentation grow (I am a teacher of some 27 years now, so I "present" for a living). I subscribe to 4 Channels BB, LPL Yourself and Helpful Lock Picker... Keep up the good work guys! I am learning a lot... Thank you. So, one last question... does this mean that without having sight of a key, and seeing the cuts so we know where to tension we are screwed? How would we deal with this if it is sight unseen, just the lock. If we "feel" the discs in the lock can we feel a zero cut... sorry if that's a noob question. Get it? Noob ques.... Oh ok

[@Kitchen6419]

😶.... I'm not a picker, but I think the process goes like this .... Try front tension, rear tension then centre

[@LockNoob]

Pretty much as Kousuv Day says, try the front. If the discs bind so you can fee the gates, go with that. If not then the rear and if not, go from disc to disc to find a disc that causes the discs to bind against the side bar.

[@BoiseBrit]

I'm assuming that when I "feel" it, I will know it. I think my main problem right now is I really don't know what I'm feeling, I kinda get the principal though... thanks

[@bearsback5099]

Great info my friend.

[@LockNoob]

Thanks 🙏

[@MrCharlesCurrent]

A+ 👍

[@LockNoob]

Thanks 😊

[@jamesdepner7833]

Lock Noob, send the non front tensioning lock to the Lockpicking Lawyer as a challenge and see how he does it lol

[@Kitchen6419]

He would still open them under 2 minute he has done that before many times....

[@montemaguire4596]

Almost any lock is pickable if u know how to pick it which I dont but Im learning.if I ever need to know..

[@LockNoob]

Yes, you can never know too much!

[@montemaguire4596]

@@LockNoob well I wouldnt want to be a know it all

[@flat-earther]

5:53 isn't that the second disc and not third?

[@kilowhiskyforge4337]

This should get more attention methinks

[@cherokee8647]

Good video LN!! This will help those just learning DD locks. Like me! 👍👍👍👍🧡

[@LockNoob]

Thanks 🙏

[@yucaiyee3307]

I've been working on disc detainer padlocks the past few weeks and i have consistently opened them with my Chinese front tensioning pick, even those that are not zero-bitted on the first disc. When i'm convinced that all the other discs are set, I would centre my pick tip on the zero bitted disc and tension off the tip. Then I will counterrotate the first disc with the tensioner. At some point of time I will feel a click which indicates that the sidebar has fallen into the groove, then I rotate both the tip and tensioner clockwise together to open the padlock. Theoretically this method would not succeed if the discs have a specific binding order and the first disc isn't the last to set - however my experience so far suggests the concept of "binding order" is not as absolute on disc detainer locks as compared to pin tumblers. At least, that is the case for the cheap disc detainer locks that I have (all Chinese dollar store varieties, no Abloys here)..

[@LockNoob]

Yes, there is a huge difference between the lower security Chinese disc detainees that can be picked with the standard cheap front tensioning tool and some of these high security locks. Sometimes they are a real world appart.

[@SilentSam69]

Okay, Fair Point. All you’re TRYING to do, is say: hey, the tools ARE available, and there ARE videos out there by talented people, (like yourself) that make using hem look as easy as sneezing. However, these are people that have essentially Mastered the Art of Lock-picking, so you should not just assume that even bough hey make it look easy using these picks, it's not, correct?

[@LockNoob]

Not quite, I’m saying that most pickers are picking locks with front tension when those locks might not always front tension.

[@SilentSam69]

Lock Noob Thank you for the clarification. I really do enjoy your videos; they've helped me get through this world-wide pandemic we're all having to live through. Please, keep these videos coming!

[@bernard512tr]

In what direction you tension, and in which direction you pick?

[@LockNoob]

Tension always clockwise, pick either way to find the gates :-)

[@kampfire.]

Blindin---- I really needed a good reason when I cant pick them

[@LockNoob]

😆😆😆

[@seriousthree6071]

Front, back and middle disks have all been used by lock companies. It is a concern but in no a cheat. Good pickers will say where they are tensioning.

[@LockNoob]

It’s not about where they are tensioning. It’s if they front tension without stating if all locks of that type can be. Imagine trying the exact same lock with the same tool and not being able to pick the lock. At least if you are aware that there might be variations in where a lock tensions, you will be forewarned.

[@seriousthree6071]

@@LockNoob so what if the picker has no information about this issue, or the lock company updates their lock after producing a few thousand and renders the video out of date? Their specific lock may front tension by chance, but do all of the others? How do they find out? It is great telling people about the issue but indicating that the picker in a video are responsible for things that are out of the content producer's control should be included are not. In most cases all they can say is this is the lock I picked, caveat emptor.

[@LockNoob]

SeriousThree as I think I said in the video, if you don’t know, just say so. Also, most lock companies update cores with different models, it would be extremely rare for them to change the type of core without at least updating the design. The only example I can think of is the Abus plus core, which have been modified a couple of times

[@seriousthree6071]

@@LockNoob then, if they do not say so, assume they don't know. Much simpler.

[@LockNoob]

SeriousThree I’m afraid that not everyone thinks the same as you. I get and see comments on my channel, my Twitter and on the forums where people just don’t have the knowledge about these locks and only have experience of front tensioning tools. There is a problem here that is part people’s knowledge and part people not explaining how they discovered how to tension the lock. It is unfortunately true that many people, not armed with enough knowledge will take what they see at face value. You are clearly not one of those people, but trust me; there are many that do and I think we should help each other

[@davescott1096]

Note to self. Make sure I get a centre tensioning lock for my motorbike! Didn't realise that the same make could be different

[@LockNoob]

Yeah, not a lot of people do, that’s why I did the vid. Hope it helped!

[@stevensavoie856]

Went in with low expectations. My mistake.

[@siriosstar4789]

Personally i think these lock picking instructive videos are irresponsible . They allow the unscrupulous to improve their skills . Yes i know the standard xcuse of , by showing the weakness to lock companies , they will be motivated to improve their locks . Hmm , i doubt that very much .

[@amirulhakimi2189]

A strong flathead screwdriver always disassembled every disc-type lock in less than 10 secs.. 😂 you agree?

[@sluzbazaorganizacijucentra4050]

I think that all of you other pickers are natural,and your base is to teach people ,but many of novices start with Lpl and Bb.At least for me those two are not good for beginners because they like clicks and money more than they want to share knowlege.Other thing is that they want to be fancy and not naturally professional but comercially professional,so it seems that they can defeat almost every lock .But new pickers must have a clear fact which will block discouraging ,and that fact is that they practice a lot untul they pick some particular lock .It looks supernatural but it isnt ,they learn every single step and even dissasemble it to learn the hights and pins etc,thats why lpl always pick it fast like a god.You can cheat alot and of course while practicung until the recording you can wear pins a little bit and it is some kind of help too.Thats why anyone shouldnt take for real those two because they arent alwaya honest with us.Some guyus lobe them but for me its not about lobe but to learn more but when i see a moneylover and man full with vanity its not tje right one to learn from or to begin from.

[@Kitchen6419]

Almost all of lpl's videos are literally less than 5 minutes, he never has sponsores in his videos saying he does what he does for money is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. All of bb's videos he explains how it works and shows his entire process and his picking process as well.... Your comment is stupid beyond belief... You clearly have only watched handful of their videos As for actual skilled thief do you really think they would be stupid enough to just start picking without any knowledge, they would most likely buy a similar lock and practice on that first

[@LockNoob]

I see your point, but I honesty have a lot of respect for BB and LPL. BB is responsible for bringing so many people into lock picking and has provided some amazing content for us all to learn from. LPL is as good as he appears from all accounts. I like to think that in my own, small way I also bring something to the table and add knowledge to the community, albeit to a smaller audience.