Logic Games Are Going Away | LSAT Demon Daily, Ep. 647

[@michaeldauber777]

I hate the games. I’m pumped!

[@Nafosat_Toshtemirova]

What about an experimental section? Imagine having 3 LR sections - one as an experimental😂😂😂😮😮😢😢

[@reginaldcharles1133]

Lol...I know right 3LR in one seating, but then again it was this way before Covid...

[@nathanfox9011]

Right. Prior to 2020 every LSAT had five sections-four scored, one unscored-so students could have had LR/LR/LR/RC/LG or LG/LG/LR/RC/LR, or RC/RC/LR/LR/LG, or invent whatever your own personal nightmare test would have been. Truth is, it doesn't matter. If you get good enough at the individual questions, you can ace any combination of sections.

[@natefrigoletto2982]

Having games being my best section, I now feel more pressure to take the LSAT before the August exam. I was shooting to be ready by the June test, but I don't want to place undue pressure on myself to achieve a score I'll be happy with. It's unfortunate they didn't give more notice. I feel a decision such as this one should have been told more in advance, but that's just me.

[@MMAandBoxingEnjoyer]

If anything this should motivate you to read

[@munachiakwali6496]

My exact predicament 💔

[@Here.I.Stream]

Logic games was my worst section! I was looking to take the test next August anyway!

[@fernandomendezjr.1124]

I’ve been studying for a year and a half and am barely starting to hit the high 160’s. LG is my strongest section. It sucks, but I guess part of being a lawyer is learning how to adapt. 😅

[@Legallyglory]

This makes me feel good. I’m in mid 150s and I been studying for a year. I felt so behind lol.

[@fernandomendezjr.1124]

Keep going! A lot of high-scoring test takers have studied for 2 years or more. Like Ben and Nate say: Studying has no deadline. After all this time, things are just starting to click for me. Maybe the same will happen to you! @@Legallyglory

[@ErikaMartinez-wc1ln]

Nathan has a point on his predictions for eliminating games for non-native English speakers and STEM people.

[@ola_eboda]

Just wanted to say thank you to you guys. I wouldn’t be attending Cornell Law school with out y’all’s helps. Keep breathing life into all your students!!!!

[@jaysonmarquez7524]

Just as a matter of fact it’s easier to manage the study of two things than three. It narrows your focus and even if games were your strong suit, you just have less to grapple with. Allocate the time you were spending on games to the section you struggle with most.

[@LSATDemon]

On the other hand, improving at LG can help you improve at the other sections of the test: kzbin.info/www/bejne/j3PYYXuCZdKUrpI

[@JavonWilliams29]

Glad someone else has this take. I can now focus more time on LR which is my worst section. LR and RC go hand in hand.

[@thedon9158]

Fuck all that time I wasted trying to perfect games

[@MickeyArce]

As a matter of equity, I think this helps level the playing field. I struggled with logic games and couldn't afford the classes. I think I could score better and have a shot at law school now given that the reading and logical reasoning were generally good for me.

[@LC-rl7cd]

Agreed! Me too on the fair chance finally! Lawyers on LinkedIn are saying that LG has nothing to do with the law, bar exam or lawyering! I get the part about construction of statutes, but that's not critical to being a good lawyer.

[@MickeyArce]

I’m glad I’m not alone! :)

[@LC-rl7cd]

@@MickeyArce Now I don't have to consider predatory schools! Let the STEMs consider those now. Folks in STEM careers can afford it!

[@bpxl53yewz29]

But many top schools give you the option of taking the GRE instead of the LSAT. This change wasn’t needed imo.

[@joussefsedeek3759]

I'm personally somewhat annoyed from this change. That means that there is a chance that on exam day, you can end up with 3 LR sections! That's just way too draining. I'm not a native English speaker and naturally some LR questions just don't add up to me at all no matter how long I sit in front of the question. Standarized tests suck.

[@dojisatchivi1664]

this is interesting to me, because despite the fact that I am one of the people that Ben and Nathan describe as likely to benefit from the change, (native english speaker, LG was my weakest section) I'm kind of pissed. I've been working so hard to get good at logic games, went up from averaging 12-13 questions correct a game to 21/23 correct most tries and it's like now we're taking it out? why tf did I do all that work why am I currently sitting here in this library practicing logic games? I've been getting like 23/26 on LG and reading comp regularly for months. Anyway I'm signed up for the November 2023 LSAT so I guess I better just can it and keep studying and practicing LG😅

[@justanotherhandle1]

Studying old practice tests is where it hurts you the most.

[@iFrankie.]

I believe they’ll bring back some of the older LR question stems that have been forgotten in the past you’ll see them come up in these newer LSATS just watch

[@lucychen2830]

I think it'll also impact scoring because there's less content to study for. So long, games!

[@jessicac5489]

I want LG gone NOW 😂

[@LC-rl7cd]

Yay! Yay! Yay! Former English major here loving the change!! Come on now, -- being a lawyer is all about words and reasoning! Gladiators of the English language, REMEMBER?! No offense to non-native speakers because I am a naturalized cit myself, but this change makes sense so we can be as competitve with native speakers as much as possible.

[@rivasimri]

English was not my first language, but in my opinion, being bilingual has given me an edge in language. I suck at math (failed algebra three times in high school!), but language, for some reason, has always been a strength. I'm way better with words, theory and reading. Logic games are more difficult for me but trying to practice more in that area.

[@aacts2219]

I love the games as I am STEM type and concrete thinker. It's the section that makes the most sense to me because it's like math 2+2=4 & doesn't involve opinion/personal judgement like RC and LR which answer is the "best." Definitely, I plan to get my test taken before Aug 2024. LG helped me a lot to understand formal logic in LR sufficient and necessary assumptions.

[@joshuakim7619]

English is my second language. Games is my strongest section. I enjoy games. I’ve been solving so many games 😂 and not much else due to LR and RC being not as enjoyable. Now I am not ready for LR and RC, but im gonna have to take the June Lsat just to take advantage of the games section. I dont plan on getting high score. I will be happy with 152-155.

[@lionlikemessenger]

I see the book, but the price isn’t marked down yet. It is still the same price.

[@lionlikemessenger]

*The Fox LSAT Logical Reasoning Encyclopedia* - the price is still around $60 on Amazon.

[@nathanfox9011]

@@lionlikemessenger $59.95 is the discounted price. It was previously $89.95. I wish I could sell it cheaper, but after Amazon's cut and the licensing fee I pay for the ~550 LR questions contained in the book, I will barely break even on the book at this price. I hope you find it helpful if you pick it up. BTW: All of the explanations from the Encyclopedia are also available in the LSAT Demon. They're actually better over there, because our amazing Ask team edits and updates them on a regular basis. But if you're not a Demon subscriber or need a book for an airplane, I've priced it as cheaply as I can.

[@idevourorphans]

I was initially considering taking it in Feb. Since LG is my strongest session I am thinking now I'll sign up for January as well...

[@Legallyglory]

I guess we are going to have to wait to see how many register for Jan and Feb test. That’s when we will know how many people are pushing off.

[@obviouslyPSM]

The games were my best section of the LSAT by far...very glad I sat for the LSAT years ago haha

[@MikeM-uy6qp]

I'm studying to be a prep tutor. I'm a little concerned about the impact of this change on the business. It's my understanding that logic games is the section that people most often seek tutoring for.

[@montiamccain2821]

Uggghhh!! I suck at Logic Games and preparing to take the LSAT in January. I've been studying the games consistently and have improved, but it just bothers me knowing that they aren't going to be there in the NEAR future! I would've preferred not to know - at least until after my test, lol!!

[@Jordanjustinecoburn]

Same haha

[@johnsterling5425]

wish they had some dates where logic games were administered, or optional

[@dt.3484]

What is logic games substituted with this year for the November 2023 lsat exam and what resources are best to prepare for this new section? Thank you

[@LSATDemon]

Logic Games will remain on the LSAT until the August 2024 test.

[@r.p.8906]

just when I finally started loving the games... oh... thanks!!

[@christiankingdomacademy8176]

I am waiting till aug…!

[@christophergerteisen5431]

So if im getting ready to start studying the LSAT next week should I grind for LG or wait to take both sections of LR

[@cooper712]

I started studying for the test in February of this year and am torn on whether I want to try to take the test in June before the change or not. Currently Logic games are my weakest section, and logical reasoning is my strongest, though I’ve heard Logic Games have the most potential for improvement in general, so I’m not sure if I should really grind to get perfect at the games and take the LSAT in June or hold off until August. If anyone has any thoughts or advice that would be appreciated!

[@LSATDemon]

Hi! Study as if you're going to take the June test, meaning study the games. Leading up to the registration deadline, if your scores aren't where you want them to be, delay until August and quit studying the games.

[@prabhdheersingh7945]

But from what I’ve heard, LSAC hasn’t announced anything.

[@MrCleanMachine48]

They released a newsletter

[@prabhdheersingh7945]

@@MrCleanMachine48 can you send the link?

[@lionlikemessenger]

LSAT Logic Games are going away after June 2024. LSAC confirmed it. You can Google it.

[@carlosjuliobertos8469]

LG is my best section with only missing 2-4 every time. Hopefully this upcoming November test is my last. I hate the LSAT!

[@ThomasGSaul]

Setting my sights on regional law school not T14 (McKinney or Pettit.) Is August 2024 too late if I plan to begin in Fall 2025? McKinney deadline is May 2025. Pettit has rolling admissions

[@LSATDemon]

Taking the August 2024 test could allow you to apply at the beginning of the admissions cycle for 2025 enrollment. But that's only if you take the LSAT one time. Most students take the test multiple times to achieve their highest score.

[@ThomasGSaul]

@@LSATDemon Isn’t it likely that there will be a couple more test dates Sept-Nov 2024?

[@Legallyglory]

Can you send the link for lsat book Nathan wrote

[@shelbylovescats]

How will we do practice tests and scoring now with an additional LR section?

[@nathanfox9011]

It'll be easy actually. Prior to 2020, every test had two sections of LR. For the past three years, we've been dropping one section of LR from Demon tests so that students could practice LR/RC/LG. Now, we'll add that other section of LR back and drop the games. Super-easy switch.

[@Legallyglory]

I’m sorry I’m rushing to do it now LG is my best sections it’s carrying my score lol

[@yasminstarz13]

What is the name of the book on Amazon?

[@LSATDemon]

The Fox LSAT Logical Reasoning Encyclopedia: Disrespecting the LSAT

[@iFrankie.]

I feel like the LG was a break from the reading of LR & RC

[@luigimiotto3027]

Will they extend a part or replace LG?

[@LSATDemon]

They will replace LG with a second scored section of LR.

[@sinkso]

Will the Demon let us do practice tests in the new format?

[@nathanfox9011]

Of course! Our amazing dev team is already working on it.

[@quinnvids]

Victory for us lazies!

[@thetruth9723x]

Tragic

[@christiankingdomacademy8176]

😂I just bought his book last month 😂😂😂 12:48

[@Ajeneful]

Can you put a link to your book in the video description please?

[@AnnaKhait7]

on a side note.. wish you didn't name your brand DEMON.

[@bpxl53yewz29]

Agree. It’s not a name that draws clients in. Makes me skeptical to be honest

[@SheLovesFubu]

What’s the name of the book?

[@nathanfox9011]

It's the Logical Reasoning Encyclopedia, aka "Disrespecting the LSAT."

[@SheLovesFubu]

@@nathanfox9011 Got it! This should be added to the book recommendation on the lsat demon page. I didn’t see it there.

[@christiankingdomacademy8176]

Roger That! 11:45

[@brandonreed4130]

Yay!

[@htunarrosa]

Terrible idea. This will backfire.

[@lionlikemessenger]

Why?

[@lilacwine7326]

Damn

[@sinkso]

😳