Logic Midi Controllers | Stuff Nobody Ever Tells You!

I've owned many different midi controllers for Logic and found the Novation LaunchKey MK3 series and the Native Instruments Kontrol M32 to offer the best Logic integration and features. And yet, there are subtle quirks on how they work that neither vendor highlights in their brochures. More importantly, most KZbin reviews only describe he basic features and functionality, where as I've put these controllers to the test. In this demo, I explain "what nobody tells you" about supporting not just Logic DAW functionality but also 3rd party plugins and VSTs, and how switching modes and using custom modes is necessary.
There are issues getting 3rd party plugins and VSTs to work with the encoders of a controller without giving up DAW controls, like transport control. The multi-use of knobs/encoders is tricky where Logic might accept and expect certain midi CC messages, but also prevent all midi from gojng through to 3rd party software.
I try to explain the different mode for midi throughput in Logic, and the necessary switching of modes to tap into the full capabilities if a midi controller.
#logic #midicontroller #launchkey #kontrolm32
Novation LaunchKey MK3 novationmusic.com/en/keys/lau...
Native Instruments Kontrol M32 www.native-instruments.com/en...
Chapters:
00:00 Intro
00:12 Categories of midi controllers
00:49 Different levels of integration with Logic X - Novation Launchkey 49 MK3
01:43 Logic Control Surface features
02:26 Novation Midi Controller 'Auto' checkbox
04:07 Encoders and Faders cannot be assigned the same function
04:35 Logic's Smart Controls for delivered instruments - Device mode
05:25 Using 3rd party instruments - Arturia
07:00 Get used to switching between modes
07:40 Three dots
09:53 Native Instruments Kontrol M32 in Logic
11:19 The M32 in Logic with Komplete Kontrol
12:31 The M32 in Logic with other 3rd party instruments - Arturia
13:40 Logic cheat sheet for the M32
13:50 Summary and Outro
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[@beaubergeron6369]

This video is exactly what I've been looking for.

[@Alexholbert]

Thank you for sharing! I've had the Novation LaunchKey for a few months and My DAW of choice is Logic. Until your video I had no idea exactly how the two products worked with each other. You saved me a lot of time!

[@VinceBaileydns-direct]

Thank you that it was a great video i have just bought logic and a MacBook Pro novation mk3 37, maschine Miro and artura minifuse 2as a retirement present to myself to learn how to create music again. ❤

[@peoplelikefrank]

That’s so cool, have fun!

[@jonahbergman4221]

Wow. I had been searching for so long for a video on this topic. I was absolutely stuck on trying to get my controller to work with Logic and couldn't find anything on forums online, and KZbin had either videos that were 12 years old or only specific with certain other controllers and DAWs. I have an M-Audio Oxygen Pro Mini that I use with Logic and I think it's an amazing controller once you get it working, which I eventually did after piecing together bits and pieces of other videos. I only came across this video after I figured it out but this is by far the best video on the subject! It's a little different depending on your controller but it's the same idea. Honestly once you get it working and know how it works I think the whole concept of switching between DAW mode and preset mode is really intuitive and really powerful. Great video!

[@richardridings7511]

Thank you so much Jeffy. I can't tell you how much I appreciate this. I bought the Novation Launchkey 61 Mk3 last Christmas and my control of it has indeed been a frustrating affair. This has cleared up so much for me -as I normally work in Logic (although I'm trying to gain some level of proficiency in Ableton too). I think both Novation and N.I. should have links to your video on their websites.

[@hl8405]

Atlas there’s someone who looking out for the majority. Thanks and good luck with your channel.

[@CRASS2047]

I wish Apple would make a midi controller specifically made for Logic. Granted, it would be $5000, but would be the best for Logic

[@OLYLO]

THE ONLY reason I want to switch to Ableton. 100% haha

[@houseofgraceworship]

😂

[@nathankhan9199]

Well apple does have logic remote available on ipad and iphone, and esp on ipad its so far ahead of a control surface theres no point, jus use to ipad

[@BAND-MAID-USA]

@@nathankhan9199 that makes no sense to 99% of ppl. You can’t actually play on Logic Remote. I have it and haven’t used it once tbh. Yeah it’s cool but. It isn’t a MIDI keyboard controller.

[@accentontheoff]

In the 8 months since you typed this it’s gone up to $6500.

[@Bashanvibe]

This definitely helps!!! I’m deciding between the 88 keys of both of them!!! I’m leaning towards the Novation because it has pads & faders

[@Peter-gu9ph]

Thanks very much for the detailed info! Native Instruments Kontrol M32 looks good!

[@BAND-MAID-USA]

Don’t get it. It’s BS.

[@jefgibbons]

Heyyyy! This is exciting, I didn't know you had a channel! Great vid here, keep em coming fellow Jef(f)G!

[@tarunsuresh6866]

I use logic and I just started looking into getting a new midi controller since the last time I bought one I was using ableton so this video came at the right time!

[@830jkl]

I highly recommend Komplete Kontrol keyboards for Logic, especially the s series. I forgot to mention this is my 2nd one. I’ve also tried the Arturia controller, but nothing beats the the integration of the s series.

[@AdrianGeorges]

Glad to be aware of it. Kind of strange, this isn’t committed right away. My mini MKII is a great, awesome Ableton integration. Thanks for sharing your knowledge.

[@danielel9191]

Hi there, thank you for this video. I have tried a lot of different midi controllers and I must say the Native Instruments m32 and the s88 were the worst of them all. I got so frustrated with the s88 I returned it the next day and for the m32 I am selling it. They were so complicated to map with Logic and then the mess of downloading all the plugins was enough to drive me to drink. I am using the M-Audio 88 right now as my main keyboard and am still looking for the midi controller that will make my life a breeze when it comes to controlling softsynths from Logic and other 3rd party plugins. You would think after so many years of product development and the popularity of Logic Pro one of those companies would make one just for Logic! Thank you for this very nice viedo on the subject. Finally, I just use the mouse and my computer keyboard to do thr job.

[@JeffyG]

The closest to Apple actually creating a midi controller is Novation. If you look at the official Apple / Logic website there are pics of the Novation Launchpad X and LaunchKey MK3. But the m-audio midi controllers are fine too. Yes - the NI controllers are a bit complex, but if you’re a Komplete bundle owner, the delivered integration is great. And that’s the issue…. at the DAW level, they all support basic functions, but when you get into the individual virtual instruments, every vendor has a different mapping (unfortunately).

[@hannahshipman]

I found this really helpful. Thanks!

[@JeffyG]

Glad it was helpful!

[@danielel9191]

Yay!!! Thank you so much for this. I am still trying to figure out which controllers will work well with Alchemy and other Logic instruments. For instance, how to program all the fonctions so they intergrate seamlessly with any Logic synths. I thought M-Audio was a good match because of their initial partenrship with Apple when Garage Band was first intraduced back in 2004 I think...

[@JeffyG]

M-audio is good, but I found Novation LaunchKey MK3 to be better.

[@levonsarkissians]

Hi Jeff G, thanks for the thorough explanation! at 5:53 you are explaining the use of the knobs to work with 3rd party software. You talk about setting to the " Custom " mode, would you by any chance know which knobs on a Novation Impulse 61 switch to the Custom mode? would appreciate your help. Krgds, Levon

[@StratsRUs]

Automap in Novation SL with Logic used to be a pain , eventually working fine. Then they dropped it in Logic so I just use my manual settings now.Keeping it simple.

[@JeroenSparla]

Brilliant explanation! Thanx! 👏🏻

[@JeroenSparla]

I was thinking of using the Arturia Keylab 88 MKII keyboard with Logic Pro X; I noticed you used it too in your video. Can you recommend it in terms of optimal Logic integration for effortless using the DAW functions and the mapping to plugin controls like Native Instruments and Arturia collections? Or would there be a better choice of 88 key midi keyboard for an optimal integration (without clumsy shift-button switching like you demonstrated in the first part of the video). ;-) Thanx for your valued advice!

[@GospelMusic4Life]

I have an idea in my head of what I want to do with a midi controller playing live/layer on my iPad/Mac but have not been able to find what I’m looking for. This really helps, I basically have been trying to find a way to control multiple instruments on different midi channels but see that there are a lot of controllers that won’t do this. I’m thinking it may be a good idea to get a control surface for the other midi channels which I don’t have controls for. I don’t understand midi enough to figure it out completely yet I’m told I can layer 8 zones on the Akai mpk61 but then I see some controllers only allow you to control other channels when using specific software and not with any software. I am trying to get way from being forced to layer on channel 1 as I want to send arms and other things to other channels on the fly.

[@BoogieBoogsForever]

You're covering stuff I have been having a hard time finding. Thank you. To follow up, when using third party plugins, you switched over to custom. Did you have to map the rotary knobs before making this video? Or does switching to custom automatically map so that the instrument parameters just work? Thanks again, this is good in depth info. Peace!

[@JeffyG]

@@BoogieBoogsForever I switched to ‘custom’ then did the midi-learn for the encoders in the 3rd party VST.

[@spiral-m]

Many thanks for the video. Is it possible to set it to select specific tracks which aren't adjacent to each other, and of different types like aux and instrument?

[@tobiaslofi]

Coming from Ableton Live to Logic this was one of the frustrating things with Logic... having to switch modes .... controllers not working fully... some not working at all :( ... I've since moved on to Machine Micro (didn't use it much) and now SeratoStudio with a DJ controller that is fully mapped and controlling 98% of what I want

[@johnviera3884]

so cool that you can use the encoder to scroll the playhead. I have the novation launch key mini. It does not have an infinite encoder 😢 I wonder if you can assign a button (or push the encoder) to split region at play head. With the encoder scrolling and a push button split region control, it makes a great sampling tool

[@JeffyG]

yes- in Logic you could assign a button to do the regions split, but encoder scrolling would be troublesome. What you want is a 'jog wheel' midi control .

[@kevinwhite6176]

I bought an NI Kontrol A25 which is basically just the smaller version of the M32 I suppose. I'm not sure if it's improved, but it was a terrible choice for using with Logic. The thing I really wanted to do was control instruments with some knobs, and then have DAW shortcuts. The DAW shortcuts imho are terrible to use, and you constantly have to switch between midi mode and DAW control mode. Worse, if you switch tracks, it automatically switches back to track mode, so you'll switch tracks, tweak something, switch back and expect to twist a knob and get MIDI CC control and instead you yank the volume down on your playing track. I don't use NI's software otherwise - it was just reported to be a nicely built and good feeling keyboard, which is true. Unfortunately, it's trash with Logic.

[@JeffyG]

A familiar story. If NI software isn’t a factor, there’s lots of other controllers with Logic integration. What do you use now?

[@JeroenSparla]

I was thinking of using the Arturia Keylab 88 MKII keyboard with Logic Pro X; I noticed you used it too in your video. Can you recommend it in terms of optimal Logic integration for effortless using the DAW functions and the mapping to plugin controls like Native Instruments and Arturia collections? Or would there be a better choice of 88 key midi keyboard for an optimal integration (without clumsy shift-button switching like you demonstrated in the first part of the video). ;-) Thanx for your valued advice!

[@JeffyG]

Arturia has good Logic integration out of the box. At the ‘instrument’ or device level they support Logic smart controls which you might want to take further with some custom mapping, as you evolve. Arturia integrates fully with the Arturia Lab V or Collection V synths - no surprise. It will work fine with Native Instruments, but not without a very basic effort to map knobs to Komplete Kontrol - which you need only do once. Native Instrument Kontrol midi controllers are very good too, and integrate with Komplete 13/14 out of the box.

[@JeroenSparla]

@@JeffyG Thank you 🙏🏼 I am working with both Arturia and Native Instruments plug-ins and given the fact that I also use native Logic instruments I will look for the best allrounder. I read Arturia can do all and has the best “piano touch”, so it will probably that one… 👍🏻

[@remalistochastis]

Thank you for your explanatory video! I intend to buy a M-Audio hammer 88 pro, since I need a 88 keys controller. It is advertised as having a great integration with logic. I also own a minilab MK II, it either works with logic or with analog lab and a Nektar Panorama P6, which has a great integration but I experience some issues lately. Would you agree?

[@JeffyG]

I think so. My first controller was an m-audio Axiom Pro 61 and it was great!

[@remalistochastis]

@@JeffyG thanks!

[@velanche]

Thanks so much for sharing your insight; potentially invaluable. When I decided to make adjustments to my home studio desk setup, one of the big things that I was knee-deep in was about the setup of MIDI controllers and control surfaces. I have a Launchpad Pro, a Maschine Jam and a Komplete Kontrol S49 keyboard. I also mainly use Logic. So your video came out at the right time, when I was tweaking, polishing and/or fixing things to get the gear to work with MIDI CC parameters or auto map the Smart Controls. I’ve gone through a few community boards and tech support, and slowly but surely the gaps are being filled in. Your video could really aid me in my understanding of my own setup, as well as taking courses fo action. Really appreciate your sharing your knowledge.

[@830jkl]

I had the p6, wanted to love it, but ended up sending it back & getting s61 mk 2.

[@JeffyG]

@@velanche it’s really been a gradual process for me, as well. Recently, getting a Machine Mikro to work at the same time as my M32 has been interesting.

[@basswriterNYC]

Great video on a crucial subject. I'm using an Akai Advance 49 but thinking about adding a Novation Launch Control XL to make the most of Arturia, Native Instruments, and Logic Pro X plug-ins. Any advice? Thanks in advance!

[@JeffyG]

Sounds good. The NI and Arturia bundles use a consistent midi assignment for the encoders, which is great. Map them once and they work. Unfortunately, other 3rd party VSTs and plugins are not so consistent, so when you get into midi mapping specific functions, you have to decide how detailed you want to go.

[@basswriterNYC]

@@JeffyG Awesome. Thanks a million!!!

[@BAND-MAID-USA]

What controller works the most right out of the box? I don’t want to have to try a figure out 100 things, and mapping this and that. Thank you

[@BoogieBoogsForever]

I wonder if the Komplete keyboard has the same integration for standard Logic instruments in terms of the command-B parameters. I guess the third party insts won't auto-map at all.

[@JeffyG]

@@BoogieBoogsForever some 3rd party instruments will auto-map if they are NKS compliment (like uhe, Arturia, etc) to your Komplete keyboard. Which 3rd party VSTs are you trying?

[@craigwallace-gibb897]

Hey thanks for that video! I have bought the NI Komplete Control S88 - I’m wondering if you could send me a link (if you know one) to a well structured explanatory video on this device? Thanks again!

[@JeffyG]

I’m releasing a new video tomorrow evening that should help.

[@paulcaskey]

I'm debating between getting a Native Instruments S88 or an M32 combined with a Kawai digital piano. (Want to learn piano and play with NI VSTs.) Works out about the same price wise. Which would you go with?

[@JeffyG]

If NI Komplete Bundle was your primary area of use, I'd say the S88, but if you're learning piano the combination of the Kawai and the M32 provides more flexibility. With 2 keyboards, you can sell one or the other in the future, if you decide piano playing is not your thing.

[@paulcaskey]

@@JeffyG Thanks for the prompt reply.

[@Icharuswings]

Do you know what to do if the launch key mk3 isn't showing up under the list of midi controllers in the Control Surfaces settings?

[@JeffyG]

There’s a script to download from the Novation website (free) which I believe adds the LaunchKey into Logic (if that’s the DAW you use).

[@markbutcher4100]

Does komplete kontrol now work with m1 macs? My m32 does not and kontakt is a pain too

[@JeffyG]

Note entirely. A new version of Komplete Kontrol was released about a month ago claiming M1 compatibility, but certain instruments like Battery 4 and Reaktor will not load - so about 30% of the bundle will not work, unless you start your DAW via Rosetta. NI promises a fix by end of Q1 2023. I find my M32 works fine, as long as I start Logic with the Rosetta switch on. I hate the idea of running Logic on an M1 Max via Rosetta, so if I’m not using NI instruments, I’ll run Logic in Universal M1 mode, then switch the Rosetta switch when using KK.

[@jasonlopez129]

Jeffy, i just got a Maschine Mikro and i cant seem to figure out how to control the sounds that logic pro has. only the sounds that Native Insturments have in the software. Can i just use the Mikro as a Midi? Thank you!

[@JeffyG]

Yes. Are you aware of the midi mode and how to go to/from midi mode on the Maschine Mikro?

[@ldp7090]

5:36 did you manually map custom mode knobs to Arturia plugin or was it mapped by Novations controller script for Logic?

[@JeffyG]

Manually. The Arturia software has midi learn. After touching the knobs to assign them once, you can save the Config.

[@ldp7090]

@@JeffyG great thank you

[@nilsmortenalexandersen5582]

Hi Jeffy ... Very nice tutorial. I have a Launchkey MK3 25 at home, and I cannot get the Smartcontrols to work at all ... Everything else seems to be working. I have checked the settings and everything looks right. Any suggestions on where to check ? Apple MacBook M1 Max, Monterey, installed Logic script v2,1. kind regards Nils

[@JeffyG]

The upper row of pads control the mode of the pots. By default they are colored orange. Press 'Shft' + 'Device' to put the pots in device mode. Open the smart controls in any Logic instrument. Turn the first pot/knob fully left and right. It should work. If is the Launchkey 25 MK3 or the Launchkey Mini Mk3?

[@nilsmortenalexandersen5582]

@@JeffyG Hi Jeffy ... Its the Launchpad 25 MKII. I have tried almost everything now, but no luck ... Can I send you some screenshots and explain ? Nils

[@JeffyG]

@@nilsmortenalexandersen5582 sure. [e-mail]

[@JaredAlexanderStevenson]

Why don’t more controllers put editing controls on there? Like cut and fade and etc.

[@JeffyG]

Those edit functions are easy to add to the custom setting.

[@realpcpayne5847]

Nektar Keyboards are Best for GarageBand/Logic (from my Research and experience!)

[@accentontheoff]

Hi there, I’ve been going nuts trying to find a MIDI keyboard whose encoders work smoothly with Logic Pro’s Smart Controls. Would you say the Novation LaunchKey series is the best at this. Thanks for the video. Subbed.

[@JeffyG]

My LaunchKey 61 MK3 works perfectly with Logic’s Smart Controls.

[@accentontheoff]

@@JeffyG Yes thanks the LaunchKey MK3 seems like a great option. How good is the action of the keybed if you don’t mind sharing.

[@JeffyG]

@@accentontheoff the action of the keybed is fast and smooth but plastic feeling, not unlike the Arturia, M-Audio, and Akai - I’ve tried them all. To get a more weighted or semi-weighted piano style keybed, you’ve got to spend more, like the NI Kontrol S series $700 - $1000 range. Another option is to by an older Roland, Korg or Yamaha synth or midi controller with a traditional key bed. These are usually much heavier and missing the pads, faders and transport controls. I picked up a old Roland A33 for $75 for just this reason and there’s a video on my channel.

[@accentontheoff]

@@JeffyG Thanks for the reply! Seems like a ‘can’t have it all’ situation then. Aren’t there any MIDI keyboards out there that have all the knobs, encoders, bells and whistles, and also have a semi-weighted / non-plasticky action. Or are we talking about workstations and high end stuff like the Nord now.

[@conrow1157]

So annoying, that you can’t assign midi controllers to the different plugin parameters. Like you can do in studio one for example. You can only assign these to the first insert of each track. But not the plug-in that is placed 2nd in the chain. For this update I’m waiting for so long. Today I’m using studio one for the final mixing stage to have the ability to control my plugins with my console 1 in midi mode!

[@JeffyG]

Exactly. I had assigned the “Device Select” button on the LaunchKey MK3 to cycle through the plugins on a track, but as you noted, the encoder assignments are different for each plugin. The issue is no standard amongst all the vendors. Native Instruments has some dominance with their NKS standard, but personally, I use more Arturia and 3rd party VSTs, and plugins, from various sources. The other option is to just limit your use of plugins to whatever came with your DAW, like StudioOne, Logic, Ableton…

[@anacrusisinthailand]

Hi I have had an extremely bad experience with the Novation Launchkey 49 Mk3 and its Logic integration. When I first bought it back in September 2020 it was flawed because the Launchkey Logic Integration script had bugs; C -1 note autoplayed on the active track when opening a Logic project that caused incorrect chord name displays in Logic's LCD in the toolbar. Pad colours were wrong and after Track 8 it worked inconsistently. It took Novation 14 months to fix their integration script. Things had been ok until Apple released the Logic Pro 10.7.8 update that provides integration between Logic on MacOS and iPad, it is now 'broken' again. Novation have been able to replicate my problems and I am worse off than I was with the first problem. Novation support believes they may require 'Apple to do something' to assist with a fix; good luck with that. From having owned the Launchkey for almost 3 years it has only worked 'as advertised by Novation with Logic' for about 8 months of that time. I'm ready to put it back in its box and buy another controller. Very interested in your experience especially if you have updated to Logic Pro 10.7.8... Personally, I could not recommend the Launchkey 49 Mk3 to someone who was planning to use it with Logic Pro.

[@JeffyG]

I just upgraded to 10.7.8 and will let you know.

[@anacrusisinthailand]

@@JeffyG FYI Novation has replicated my issues. No timeframe for a fix but they suggested I roll back to 10.7.7 of Logic. I told them not my preference as I am now swapping Logic projects between MacOS and iPadOS which requires 10.7.8 They even hinted their ability to fix might need 'Apple to make changes'; they didn't elaborate what exactly. The real issue for me is the pad lights are all screwed so you can't quickly tell what Logic track is active, whether it is muted or soloed etc. I'm not holding my breath for a quick fix...

[@JeffyG]

@@anacrusisinthailand I had this issue with the colours of the pads in Session mode once before. I’m just looking back through my notes.

[@anacrusisinthailand]

@@JeffyG the original pad colour problem goes back to the errors in the original Launchkey Logic Integration script back in 2021 when I originally bought the LK - see my original comment - and led to the release of the new v2.x scripts and Firmware upgrades. Talk to Tom Harrington he is my contact at Novation for this current issue and the historical one...

[@anacrusisinthailand]

@@JeffyG The Logic Pro 10.7.9 update of a couple of days ago has fixed my Launchkey 49 Mk3 issues...

[@DavidGilden]

Any comments about the Akai controllers?

[@JeffyG]

I haven’t owned one, but like the others they provide DAW control to a certain level, then to control VSTs or plugins you have to create midi mapping and switch to a custom mode.

[@emanuel_soundtrack]

Awesome video.What about Irig Keys I/O?

[@JeffyG]

I like the iRig keys, but haven’t tried one yet.

[@phonchallarbright2964]

I have the Roland 07 can’t get it to integrate with my Daw which is Mac Studio m1 Can anybody help me pls I would really appreciate it Me and my friend have lost time trying to figure it out an I’m not a computer whiz lol

[@JeffyG]

How do you have the Roland 07 connected to your computer? 5 pin midi cables to USB? Are you using an adaptor?

[@CRASS2047]

I have the Nektar Impact LX88+. It integrates very well with Logic. And it’s cheap.

[@JeffyG]

I'm looking at that - seems very good!

[@realpcpayne5847]

Nektar Keyboards seem to, (from all my research), WORK and are VERY compatible with Garage Band/Logic!!!😮

[@JayfkProductions876]

Novation Launckeys are almost exclusivley made for ABLETON while you can get the extra features setup with other daws that does take a bit of tinkering

[@Dewane1511]

This was the comment I was looking for . Novation pretty makes pretty much makes products for ableton .

[@JeffyG]

Not sure I would agree. While the pad Color’s match Ableton’s look, they also match Logic’s live loops in the exact same way. Transport control, faders, knobs, etc. work the exact same in Logic as in Ableton. The only buttons/control on a LaunchKey that exclusively work in Ableton are the ‘Device Select’ function. Furthermore, Novation sells an “FL” LaunchKey just for FL Studio. I wouldn’t say “exclusive” for Ableton is accurate at all.

[@JeffyG]

Not sure I would agree. While the pad Color’s match Ableton’s look, they also match Logic’s live loops in the exact same way. Transport control, faders, knobs, etc. work the exact same in Logic as in Ableton. The only buttons/control on a LaunchKey that exclusively work in Ableton are the ‘Device Select’ function. Furthermore, Novation sells an “FL” LaunchKey just for FL Studio. I wouldn’t say “exclusive” for Ableton is accurate at all.

[@BAND-MAID-USA]

I’ll never understand why Apple doesn’t just make their own MIDI controllers. What a missed opportunity. Also, these companies need to stop lying about what Mac OS works with them. I got the Native Instruments M32.. And it doesn’t work at all with MAC OS HIGH Sierra 10.13.6 which it says it does in their specs. That’s BS, because it doesn’t. After you download all their BS and try to set it up it’ll say, Your OS isn’t compatible and needs to be at least ?? It doesn’t even show up in Mac Midi panel. It doesn’t show up anywhere at all. Made me so mad because I REALLY wanted to use that particular controller. All these MIDI controller manufacturers are full of shit about their integration with Logic.

[@brandonmoss7976]

If you use logic why don't you just use the nektar controller like the T4/T6? Nektar controllers are basically the best in the business when it comes to logic, Reason, Cubase, and non Ableton And you get third-party VST functionality out the box 😤 and do I even have to bring up your awesome nektarine software was just takes it to another level😰

[@JeffyG]

Thx. I’ll check it out!

[@BAND-MAID-USA]

Probably because most Nektar are 3-4 times more than other controllers.

[@davidcottrell1308]

I find that a mouse and standard keyboard more that sufficient to work with Logic. Hardware controllers are just another layer of complexity and just get in the way, imho. I started working in the previous century when boards, etc were absolutely required...I LOVE being able to draw my automation moves and have Logic dutifully reproduce them every time I play my sequence back. Moving faders is SO 20th century.....I choose to leave it in the past!!

[@itsreal1971]

I WEND TODAY TO GUITAR CENTER ASKING WHAT CONTROLLER THEY HAD TO DO THIS SAME THING BUT THIS WOMAN EMPLOYEE DIDN'T KNOW WTF, SHE JUST TOLD ME TO GO ONLINE ON THEIR WEBSITE

[@Piespys]

she just works there man