Why Is Everyone Ditching Gmail?

[@LogicallyAnswered]

For people wondering how the stats were calculated, Litmus tracked 1.7 billion email opens between September of 2021 and October of 2022, and they compiled their findings. You can read more about it here: www.litmus.com/email-client-market-share/

[@paulpinecone2464]

"Litmus tracks email opens". And you have the nerve to say the word Privacy.

[@marcsasson]

You're using data from post-Apple MPP launch which means that all emails in apple are considered open. This changes things completely since other providers do not do this

[@Mr.Thursday]

I think you should differentiate between Email Service Provider and Email Service Client. These are quite interchangeable.

[@raylopez99]

@@malonson4537 Yep, I saw this. The metrics by Litmus for service provider appears to be (based on it seems largely smartphones rather than desktop): about 40% for Apple and 30% for Gmail, 8% for Outlook and 5% for Yahoo, rest is others, as of 2021 and probably true today.

[@ScottZupek]

Btw " ask not to track" sends the information to Apple and Apple sells it. They were busted for this already. Apple pretended to be the privacy king. Realistically they just are trying to compete with Microsoft, Google and all the other data miners out there

[@cawheeler27]

Since no one else seems to notice this, I'll point it out. The market share that graph is referring to is Client market share. When it says Apple has 59.5% of the market, it means Apple's mail clients, not iCloud email. When it refers to Gmail, it is referring to the web gmail client and the iOS and Android apps of the Gmail client. I have a gmail account, but I access it through Apple Mail on my iPhone. This would be reported under Apple on this graph, despite the fact that I'm using the gmail service. Gmail is still very dominant in terms of the service people are using, it's just that most people use the included mail app on their phone to access their gmail account.

[@dewiz9596]

Indeed!

[@NXNX7]

Ye, I wasn't buying that graph, because how can apple have a 60% email share when the number of apple devices is nowhere near that market share.

[@NicholasFlamy]

Anyone using the old Samsung email app (Samsung used to have their own app until Android 10 or 11) also doesn't count as Gmail.

[@user-xv1vm5xc1f]

@@NXNX7 well Apple has very near that market share in the US. But makes a good point of how can they when it’s still less for iPhone users owners

[@pmkansara]

Exactly. He mixed up email clients with email service providers. As an email service provider, Gmail is still leading and Apple is way behind (obviously as email service is not their primary business focus).

[@nonnnth]

I think Google is not losing users. The smaller players are just growing.

[@jeschinstad]

It's like when people say that Linux Desktop has stayed at 1% since the nineties. It's not an insult, it means that Linux Desktop has been able to grow as quickly as Microsoft, Google and Apple and if you think about how impressive that is, it's actually quite a compliment. :)

[@revelmonger]

@Not That Guy people like choosing an ecosystem. Microsoft accounts integrate windows, outlook and teams.

[@DrBernon]

The fact people have Gmail does not mean they use it. If the small players grow, it is because people are abandoning Gmail and starting to use the others. And after decades of google dominance, the fact the others grow is very significant, because after decades of giving your email address, to change it, is as hard as changing the phone number. Start updating all your profiles in every service you ever used. (very hard)

[@cbazxy2697]

@@revelmonger people also like to have privacy

[@revelmonger]

@@cbazxy2697 you think Microsoft gives you more privacy than Google? Emails are not end to end encrypted. If you use outlook Microsoft can see the full unencrypted content of the emails. Privacy is a myth and your argument is invalid.

[@MatthewHollow]

Wait what. I always use Gmail.

[@LogicallyAnswered]

Same, seems to be a trend away from it though

[@osy777]

I didn't realize people were ditching Gmail 🥺.

[@9ernation543]

I think it's more business wise for outlook

[@xxxkingxl]

I too

[@unknownwarriorprescoknight8586]

Gmail ? Sorry you’re incorrect it is called “ google work space / mail “ now

[@yg78t76t7]

1) Gmail doesn't care about your security 2) Good luck opening a support ticket with Google

[@JoshuaHoffman21]

Who do you use?

[@thuylinhtruong6371]

I agree. Google Support has been sending me in loops and refushed to give me proper answer for the issue that I am having. What do you think is a good alternative?

[@boian-inavov]

I think the main issue with your presentation is that you confuse the Gmail client with the Gmail email (or Google account). As an email I think it’s safe to say that at this point in time everyone has one, so they’re quite safe in that aspect. As a client though, it doesn’t really matter which you use since they’ll use your email data from the email that their hosting for you anyway. The Gmail client is just there as the default way to access your inbox, I personally use the Apple email client, just because it syncs well through my devices. But confusing that and saying that people are switching to Outlook because of more storage, that’s not a client perk, but an email hosting service perk, and I’d be highly sceptical if people switch their 15+ years old email addresses just so they can have a couple of GBs of storage for example.

[@BoltRM]

I see both Outlook & Gmail accounts have 15GB free storage, but Microsoft offers an additional 5GB on their OnDrive. It's free, but I prefer to not split up my storage into a 2nd storage acct for only 5GB worth. If I need more, I'd rather get another free 15GB Gmail account, than a 2nd storage acct for only 5GB. If that makes sense..

[@BoltRM]

I do however, prefer the organizational options available in Outlook vs Gmail, plus I've used it for years at work. In short my personal emails are multiple Gmails & I feed those into my "Desktop" Outlook client for filtering purposes.

[@p0xus]

@@BoltRM I think you missed what he was saying. Hes saying that email client is not the same as an email service. I use Thunderbird as my email client, and a variety of email services that I use through Thunderbird.

[@eng3d]

even if it is the client then how many people use the apple mail app?

[@elfelon9465]

For me its the complete opposite, outlook is a nightmare to use and always forces me to change the password every time i use it. Gmail is always logged on so it's not annoying when i need to use it.

[@LogicallyAnswered]

Fair enough

[@allahbless2278]

Imagine caring more about convenience than security with something as important as your email account 🤡

[@petuska]

@@allahbless2278 don't forget ads on free outlook web client. Wtf is that??

[@da4127]

@@allahbless2278please tell me how anyone would get into my gmail account? They would need access to my phone, which would be really hard to get, and I don’t see how being logged in all the time increases that risk, plus, I can still use gmail with conveniency for everyday use, and if I want to buy XXXL dildos, I can use a different email account for security

[@pedroferreira8623]

Agree. I have to use outlook for work and, while the desktop app is good, the Web and mobile app are horrible to use. Gmail still has the best UI and ease to use

[@cubiss1273]

I used to use local email provider, then I switched to google when it started. Switching emails is annoying and you have to keep track of your mailbox for years. The only thing that would make me switch away from gmail is a self-hosted mail with comparable features to gmail. I don't see much of a point at switching to another tech company's service for privacy reasons as they are all in data business.

[@meyer.oppelt]

I have a mailgun free account connected to my gmail account with a custom domain. If I ever want to switch email clients, I can just input credentials into another client.

[@theosiegstolz3991]

@@meyer.oppelt this gives you unlimited aliases?

[@kiradotee]

@@meyer.oppelt you would probably still need to download the inbox and then re-upload it into the new email client? So that if you need to search or reference old email you don't have to constantly use 2 email clients.

[@icyhotonmynuts]

Oh goodness. You do *not* want the headache of self hosted emails.

[@yurchiie]

I use proton now. They're supposed to be end-to-end encrypted and privacy oriented, and I trust them till now. But yes, I'm still getting a bunch of emails to my Gmail account and it's not going to stop anytime soon, so I have to keep checking. And of course, my university and my workplace use outlook, so I now have essentially 3 email clients to keep track of ☠☠

[@abdullahrajput7059]

we cant deny that Gmail is soo much involve in our lives that we cant switch to other alternatives

[@somebodyirrelevant141]

It is absolutely possible to switch from Gmail.

[@abdullahrajput7059]

@@somebodyirrelevant141 maybe you can but i cant coz of android phone emailing by gmail is convenient, google contacts for backup same for some photos youtube there is too much dominance of google because of android if android will end then maybe all can be collapse

[@Treznor.]

You will likely want to keep your Google account, and therefore Gmail, but you absolutely can still switch to whatever else for your email and basically let Gmail just sit there, slowly migrating to the new one you chose as you receive emails to gmail.

[@anonymousboy8960]

Agreed

[@foca2002]

Never used gmail in my life and I´m in the web since the 90s. Yahoo! and Hotmail are my first e-mail for decades.

[@garretreed9709]

Protonmail is a good alternative and allows for end to end encryption (as long as the other party is on the same boat)

[@johnkennettle7567]

But most people are not on the same boat.

[@isabear478]

its pretty much useless if the person your sending it too dosent have proton as well

[@seansingh4421]

I really like Protonmail but I seriously hate integration issues that it has.

[@markylon]

@@isabear478 Not true, if you send a secure email to a non proton email user they will have to open the email in a secure web page with a pre arranged password then they reply from that page, so the whole chain is fully encrypted.

[@under6075]

@@isabear478 In that case you can send a password protected email

[@critical_always]

I am in the process of de-googling myself. It's surprisingly hard to to. Getting away from Gmail is next on my list. It was a mistake to throw all apples in the google basket. Convenient yes, smart no. As a techie I like to host all my essential services at home.

[@brainwashalpha5495]

im doing the same right now, switched to linux and firefix and trying to be more privacy minded. google has really dominated many markets and its hard to get away from using gmail since its integrated into many parts of my daily life

[@PiyaChoudhari]

Also you tube trust me I deleted all social media apps next on my list is Google KZbin tube too ! I am going to switch on Nokia phone no hacking apps ! They play troubling bullying harassing mind games they also killing people as a fun as a part of game ruining people's finances and career so best is to switch no no social media apps honestly they are tracking us fooling us and troubling is all also Google shows longest troubling road wasting time and petrol so remember don't trust any social media app or anyone people are not trustworthy at all !

[@lego_minifig]

Apple just stops other apps from tracking you. Apple has workarounds in their own first party apps to collect your data. The one that I find worst of all is bypassing VPNs in some of their apps so they can still track you. Not a good look, this has made me trust my iPhone and iPad less.

[@manishgoyal7677]

Apple is by far the most hypocritical company on this planet.

[@LilacMonarch]

That's exactly what they're doing, they're marketing themselves as being better for privacy but it's actually just them taking all the data for themselves.

[@sbomaggz]

Apple is not better, they are just better at stealing customers from other companies

[@goochipoochie]

Not only that, since Apple has full control on both hardware and software they have been able to build in such insane levels of hardware backdoors on your device that basically they have complete control over your device at all times and there is nothing you can do about it. Their access cannot even be detected because it works beyond OS and root level access (like a normal malware or app would)

[@dhamotharan1734]

@@goochipoochie how would you know?

[@mehdouch80]

Once my GMail account got locked and I had to deal with a nightmare. All my online presence was held hostage to a single email and I was not able to get any support. That's why I decided to move to a self-hosted mail service that I maintain myself.

[@LogicallyAnswered]

That doesn’t sound fun, glad it worked out

[@JJs_playground]

I had the same thing happen to me, but I complained on Reddit and Twitter and somehow my Gmail account got reactivated.

[@aniketprasad3128]

My gmail got locked out too. Happily I had my phone linked to it. Hence could recover it easily

[@ghostryydr]

Y'all are extremely lucky. I had 2 Gmail/Google accounts with almost all of my online history. Both are gone with no way of recovering them. Sad really.

[@JJs_playground]

@@ghostryydr what I do is take periodic backup of my entire Google account. Google has a feature called "takeout". It allows you to back up everything Google has on you: emails, Photos, all your Google drive documents, etc... I do this every 6 months or so.

[@capitanodessa7472]

I use Yahoo because I've always used Yahoo, and they never conflicted with my workflow since 2007. That being said, I'm happy I did so, because when Google Photos fill your cloud storage, your MAILS stop syncing, what the hell!

[@LogicallyAnswered]

Have people ever frowned about that?

[@capitanodessa7472]

@@LogicallyAnswered No, but they some times wonder why I never have to make a new email address whenever I buy a new phone (Some people think that gmail emails are unique on a PHONE basis where I live), or why I can access to my Google account using a yahoo email. Google created a gmail email without my consent at some point using my yahoo email name, but I don't use it.

[@GregMoress]

My Yahoo account was hacked twice... The only way for that to be possible is if bad employees sell passwords. Employees should not have access to passwords, so Yahoo is only for junk mail now.

[@chadnoneo9769]

My condolences on your mountain of spam emails.

[@wintersprite]

I use Yahoo for one of my websites as I’ve had it since Geocities days.

[@alexlapland]

An interesting point is that gmail has almost no user support. If your account is suddenly blocked, you will have practically nowhere to write to figure out what is happening and how to fix it.

[@SuperVirgin-vc3jd]

This is the problem. I've had to make new ones after switching phone numbers.

[@PiyaChoudhari]

That's why I have many other e mail accounts ! I want to create my own website with no adds and own browsing channel safe from hackers and own site for e mail for my own personal use !

[@alexshi9320]

I was a email engineer and used litmus extensively - where the data was from. Everyone hates Outlook. Why? They use Microsoft excel as the rendering engine and performs terribly compared to Gmail. So my advice is to use Gmail because its better

[@EienRozen]

A bit of a funny story. I received an invite from the one of the first groups of people testing gmail (it was originally by invitation only). The guy that sent the invite was an engineer at Apple. Apple beta tested Gmail. 😂

[@copycatt2579]

This is normal.

[@Frank-Thoresen]

I also got my Gmail when it was Beta in 2004. I got the invitation from a guy in California. The deal was that I sent him a postcard from Norway as a thanks 🙂

[@williamhaynes7089]

When iphone launched it had Chrome as its default browser

[@cagedtigersteve]

I got invited to gmail in the early days from someone at random from google. It was sent to my school email address so I think they were just scouring tech schools for people to invite as this was in the beta stage of development.

[@markh.6687]

Bill Gates once wrote Apple to tell them how to better market and position their company, computers and software so to build market share and compete on their own strongpoints, not fight with Microsoft and the industry over stuff everybody agreed on like certain tech standards, fonts, etc. Gates actually wanted Apple to succeed believing Office for Apple would still help Microsoft grow market share. This is reported in the book "Apple: The inside story of intrigue, egomania, and business blunders", by Jim Carlton (1997).

[@dinaisis2991]

I use both. For me, my life is on my one drive and Microsoft suite is amazing for work and even personal. But when it comes to a great entertainment and user experience across devices especially for internet services, my Gmail is priceless. That integration between Google Chrome, a central log in, browser history etc is crucial for me. So personally, both.

[@train_xc]

I use Firefox and it’s is great with sync now. I’ve now Firefox on my office thinkpad, personal MacBook and my mobile phone and the sync between them are seamless

[@jjco665]

I prefer gmail on everything, but my job uses Microsoft, ugggh.... but we agree on one thing. No apple lol

[@yogsothoth00]

Use Edge it's better than Chrome these days

[@PeacefulPariah]

my life is on OneDrive too, and I don't even know how it happened. What's done is done, but I'm not in love with OneDrive. I'm definitely down with most of the Microsoft suite, though. You're spot on about Google's advantages. Location Services are money.

[@CustomBooch]

I switched from Gmail to Outlook only because my Gmail got too cluttered with useless stuff. However, with a family subscription to Office 365, everyone in my family gets 1TB of storage on OneDrive, access to Office apps, and most importantly for me, both my school and university use Microsoft offerings so the integration is better. p.s.: I prefer how the Outlook app looks compared to the Gmail app.

[@PermanaJayanta]

Agree, I also switch to Family subscription a year ago. It just most reasonable plan for me. This also solved cloud storage problem.

[@grabedigger]

yup same here, 1TB family sub.

[@minaryeon9259]

I agree, way too many scams on Gmail and harder to delete on app. I like Outlook app look better.

[@jocanine2750]

i like gmail alot better, but i've switched to outlook cause my uni uses it and i didn't really have a choice

[@markuserikssen]

I'm using both Gmail and Outlook. I like both, but the spam filters on Outlook are way worse than Gmail. I constantly get spam mails in my inbox, not marked as junk. This never happens for me in Gmail.

[@darellarocho5729]

So something interesting is that my university around 3 years ago used to use Google Products, but they eventually transitioned completely into Microsoft products, which included the switch from Gmail to Outlook, so now all of our emails for every student in the uni's system go into their Outlooks and not their Gmails. Gmail literary doesn't work anymore for us students and even the faculty, everything is done through Outlook and the rest of MS's products.

[@CallsItLikeISeizeIts]

Most US businesses and Govt entities use MS 365 Suite as you are using email, word, PowerPoint, excel daily and the US Govt (550 Depts/Agencies as well as whole of DOD) has been using MS Office for 3 decades, and if you do business with the USG (think every company big and small who have contracts with USG as well as state and local govts), you will use MS. The integration and connectivity within the office suite is very appealing and familiar to users at govt workspaces. Most meetings are via Teams etc as well.

[@henrymarks1632]

Just want to say I’ve been here since like 1.2k subscribers when u changed ur channel focus. I watched like one of 20 videos but whenever I do I watch it all. Keep up the good work

[@DB-jj8qn]

I use Gmail for personal use, and outlook for work.

[@jkfred]

that's what we all do!

[@อัญชลี-ฌ2อ]

Same thing xD

[@carlgrove8793]

I do somewhat the reverse, yahoo mail for personal stuff and Gmail for the rest. However, for attaching photos Gmail seems to allow bigger files, which can be handy. Frankly 90% of the technical stuff that you discuss here goes over my head anyway!

[@NOT_NativeEN_Speaker]

Gmail for personal, Apple for business.

[@junaidgurmani]

Same

[@abalcerzak1931]

I've used Gmail daily for 10 years now and if I have something to complain about, it would be the interface. It's pretty good but it's still polluted with a lot of apps and buttons and infos you don't need and don't use. Also they have gone full "zero right angle" recently, over the night, and you can't do shit about it. I also got my account and every important email on it stolen few years ago and I had no one to talk to. After ten years I still feel like I own nothing and my opinion doesn't matter, so if Microsoft offers something better I'll move to Outlook.

[@APVengalth]

Gmail was my first email provider and my primary email, I switched to proton mail with custom domain a few years back.

[@shreyansanchaliya8334]

The problem is gmail(mailing service not app) does not support 3rd party push syncing and hence if we do not use gmail app notifications are delayed.

[@slesperado]

You forgot to mention that Gmail was initially ad-free. I had been using Yahoo for years. It had become full of spam and ADS! In 2005, some random guy on KZbin offered me an invitation so sign up for Gmail. I knew that it had 1GB of storage, which was desirable, but I also found out that it was ad-free. I jumped on that very quickly! It was SO NICE to have such a clean, easy to use interface! Years later, Google started forcing advertisements into Gmail. I am STILL not happy about that, but it's nowhere near as bad as the ads I was receiving in Yahoo back in the early 2000s.

[@apc9714]

It's fun because now I know that my checking of outlook more and more often is part of a big global phenomenon I never thought about. Really love your videos

[@muhammad-bin-american]

When it comes to e-mail and calendar there is no serious debate. Outlook is better. I was part of the original users of Gmail when it came came out but gradually switched back to Outlook.

[@asdasddas100]

My company switched to outlook a couple of months ago It's pretty nice

[@LogicallyAnswered]

Outlook is great for business and Microsoft office

[@ran160]

My college uses outlook for students. But gmail is the best for personal use imo

[@MV-qs6yj]

@LarryCares well if your business use microsoft then you got, Outlook, MS team, office 365(word,excel,PowerPoint etc) both offline full version and online, prettymuch for business is good. My university use google for the 2months because of covid, then they change it to microsoft me and my friends are pretty happy about it because we got office official and cloud etc then ms team are great. My aunt office also use microsoft now because of the collaboration help her office to be more effective and efficient.

[@sillimilli3802]

@LarryCares lol 😂, tell that to pretty much every big institution in the world and than watch them laugh at you.. Google workplace is good for personal use, that much is true

[@amitmalpani6899]

MS online collaboration tools sucks, the excel is best in desktop but when it comes to browser it's pale compare to Google sheets and same with Power point and Word it just offer strip down version. Our office switch to outlook from Gmail but when it comes to working online where multiple persons works on single file online we literally struggle with limited features in browser. And yes heavy excel file hangs a lot & get corrupt on desktop the best option is Google sheet on desktop.

[@luigigaminglp]

Yeah citing the "do not track" feature as a positive thing for Apple mail isnt exactly a good example. Because the "do not track" feature does not apply consistently to apple services. Other Apps, yes, but not Apples own services.

[@frankmerrill2366]

I operate a mail-order retail business, and I've noticed that I've SURELY had more customers changing their email to gmail, than running from it. I have definitely noticed this even more in the past two or three years.

[@Metlson]

Gmail and Google products are a lot more common in the start up world than traditional companies from my experience. It is easier to build from the ground up and manage centrally/collaborate. I think once a company is in an ecosystem they won't change so Google products/Gmail will be more prevalent in newer companies

[@sillimilli3802]

Only time will tell. My bet is that Microsoft will still be the more prevalent suite used by companies in the future, these startups make a bit more money and then ditch Google products.

[@Metlson]

@@sillimilli3802 yeah that's fair

[@folti78]

Until they got bought up by a big company, that's already have it's infrastructure built around Microsoft. Then the old Google one will be chucked out after migration. Yeah, that happened to my workplace.

[@Comopyon]

I've been using Yahoo since I was a kid for personal things while Gmail for professional things. I've currently connected my Yahoo with my youtube channel as well (pretty legacy, I know) and I'm currently looking at using Zoho mail for professional things instead.

[@jt4351]

Interesting point to mention forced adoption, and also have Apple be on top of that list. Apple is exceptional at one thing: marketing to the average consumer. Their service is equivalent, and often times, worse than their competitors. Gmail's UI is also pretty questionable.

[@mastixencounter]

he interpreted that data wrong. his market share graph is referring to is Client market share. When it says Apple has 59.5% of the market, it means Apple's mail clients, not iCloud email. When it refers to Gmail, it is referring to the web gmail client and the iOS and Android apps of the Gmail client. U can have a gmail account but access it through Apple Mail on the iPhone. This would be reported under Apple on this graph, despite the fact that u could be using the gmail service.

[@americanfreedomworldpeace]

Gmail UI is awful, can't "select all" emails, can't create folders, etc

[@bhi_spain]

Interesting point of view. I use gmail because as a small company a favor collaboration over advanced features no one knows how to use. And I live the multiple inbox option from Gmail that others clients don’t replicate well. These types of features could give Gmail a new life. Some basic features are missing, like embedding an email as a chip in a task, or a calendar event. Those are the innovations that would make Google trend up again, by having the easy to use suite.

[@lululemon0424]

I used to think abt Gmail without any second thought, it was so good to use and refreshing. But, these days, Gmail is just messy, too focused on being intuitive, and non-traditional, resulting in a confused interface that actually decreases productivity. I'm switching back to outlook for my primary account and apple is cool and at that, but I don't want to be locked in their walled garden.

[@YOitsBA]

I think Gmail's biggest problem is Google forcing it to be a Frankenstein app alongside Meet and other things. Also, their terrible rebranding that basically got rid of the uniqueness of their product iconography.

[@DancerOfClouds]

I hate the Gmail App and will only ever use the web version

[@brainwashalpha5495]

the old web version i think before 2019 was good now it sucks

[@PARADOXsquared]

@@DancerOfClouds I still miss Inbox to this day. Going back to the main Gmail app after that was so jarring.

[@samcolt1079]

Google and gmail want to get into everything that you do. THEY BOTH SUCK

[@Mr-Sleet]

Gmail is the worlds longest April fool's day joke.

[@PiyaChoudhari]

Absolutely 💯

[@KalaikumarM-ie8qo]

This is one of the most underrated channel, you deserve way more subscribers ❤️

[@bartbonneau3242]

The spam filtering in Outlook suuucks. I cant even remember the last time I got a spam letter in my main folder.

[@AP-eb8hd]

There are 2 set of email users a.) individuals b.)businesses The first category is dropping down irrespective of provider as the communication channel now has shifted to whatsapp , fb messenger etc. I don't think its ditching 'gmail' as google product, but generally the email as a service itself. To make things interesting there are these many temporary email services which let you create a random email for subscription etc.. and the new generation is tech savvy to use this.

[@michaelangelo6818]

My university switched all our school emails from Gmail to Microsoft this year, not sure if it made a dent but thats 60 000 emails it lost. Adding that to all other organisation's that also opted out of Gmail, it makes sense why they're losing market share

[@LogicallyAnswered]

A few dozen institutions like that switching will make quite a difference haha

[@Ben-dy9gh]

Mine did this same thing 2 years ago!

[@oksowhat]

maybe becaue google reduced drive storage space to 5gb?

[@Ben-dy9gh]

@@oksowhat my school switched cause they already had Gmail for all our emails but were providing all students with sharepoint and all Microsoft office products. Then Google jacked up the GSuite prices so it made sense to go full Microsoft, especially with the better integration with teams and the value that has for online school

[@oksowhat]

@@Ben-dy9gh they did good, we still dangle between both, gmail is ok but we get only 5gb online storage, cant even store my smallest study material video there😂

[@rambottech7514]

From an it admins perspective, it’s easier to use m365 services over gmail just because of the Active Directory aspect and integration with all Microsoft products

[@jeschinstad]

I hate having to compete with it admins who would sacrifice the good of the client for the comfort of the admin. This is really sinister stuff. I agree that Microsoft makes things comfortable for IT pros, but it also replaces an initial investment with permanent cost. If my client has a pain in the ass, I will examine what they're sitting on. Your solution is to sell them addictive pain medication.

[@Ram_Mohammad_Singh_Adam]

I dont think of switching away from Gmail. I love Google software ecosystem and currently thinking of even trying Google Pixel .

[@turquoise806]

Based on the videos this creator makes on youtube, I’d venture to say he likes underdogs😊 I appreciate the unconventionality of your ideas man. Keep it up! 👍🏻

[@devsda1]

Because you can’t change your email address once you created it. You’re stuck with the gmail address you made for the rest of your life. Outlook lets you have 10 email addresses and you can choose which address is your main.

[@JoshDownin]

you can have multiple emails and add extensions to organize them

[@devsda1]

@@JoshDownin but your original email will still need to be used as a prefix. outlook and icloud mail lets you have completely different addresses

[@JoshDownin]

@@devsda1 are they all attached to the same account?

[@devsda1]

@@JoshDownin yes you can create multiple addresses under one outlook account

[@JoshDownin]

@@devsda1 ok that's pretty cool can't lie

[@jarionscarlight]

Another thing is that, regardless if you pay for Google One subscription or using a Google Workspace account, you will still see ads on Gmail. Unlike on Outlook where if you have a MS 365 subscription, ads are just gone.

[@stanleycolene]

There are no ads in Gmail for Google Workspace

[@lordwiz6653]

@@stanleycolene youtube a part of Google have different paid services so it's basically like every other service you have to pay differently which is absurd.

[@JeanMarcDesvaux]

Wrong. .No Ads in Google Workspace and much more security than in anything else. I see many wrong or false statements in this video and in the comments. It really looks like an outlook Advert.

[@jarionscarlight]

@@JeanMarcDesvaux In our university Google Workspace accounts, we still see ads on Gmail. Maybe it's based on different plans.

[@JeanMarcDesvaux]

@@jarionscarlight In Google Workspace Education (all editions) all core services, e.g. Gmail, Google Calendar, Google Drive/Docs, Google Chat, Google Sites, and Google Groups have no ads and no data collection etc.. like for all Workspace editions. KZbin I think is not part of the core services. Good to check & know what type of accounts you use at the university if you have Ads in gmail.

[@brotherhoodofsteel98]

My company uses outlook ever since and I thought they were outdated. How wrong I was. Although I do have to note that it's quite frustrating to send files because they don't push through when it's too large for outlook.

[@abhikamthe]

It’s the same for Gmail. In gmail when we send large files they get uploaded to our google drive and the recipient then downloads it from ur Google Drive. It’s just google has made it very easy and user friendly.

[@jackwong64]

I think you need an IT guy there.

[@markylon]

Who sends large files via email, sounds like you need some training

[@williamhaynes7089]

People used to charge money on ebay/craigs list for gmail invites.

[@soomad]

I have a Gmail account, but use it in the outlook app since that gets me email on wrist 😅 plus I use the Gmail platform at work, so having email on another app makes me feel more detached from work off hours.

[@SivaranjanGoswami]

I love the user interface of Gmail than outlook. I use both. But my primary account is Gmail for more than a decade now and it is hard to switch completely.

[@truthteller8336]

Gmail's interface is laughable compared to Outlook.

[@PinkAgaricus]

Ironically Hotmail got combined into Outlook, so I can use my old hotmail account with outlook. I think back in the day Outlook was just an external (personal/business) email server creation program, while Hotmail a part of MSN was a client end email service (usually used through browsers at the time). So Microsoft basically did the same thing google did, but with their services focused on email. I think Outlook still does have it's features from the past along with having the Hotmail style email client for browsers and the app for smartphones (which for the latter gmail also has).

[@train_xc]

I used thunderbird before.

[@myth_bitemytoast1374]

Bro wtf you just restored my Hotmail account that I haven’t had access to for like way too many years. Whenever the change happened I also switched phones and I set up an updated gmail account cause I was subscribed to absurd amounts of spam mail on my Hotmail account so I just reset entirely fresh on gmail - I still had some accounts of certain sites and apps set to the old Hotmail account and whenever I’d try to log into my Hotmail account in gmail for confirmation stuff or pw changes, it would just sign me into the inbox of the new gmail account which both have different mails(I mean one is literally hotmail and one is gmail so wtf) and different passwords. But it just always logged me into the new gmail account for whatever reason and I haven’t had access to the old hotmail for YEARS. You said it merged into outlook which I never looked at or thought about once and tried to log in with the old Hotmail info and it’s actually the old one. With 16k spam mail but it’s there, after so many years LOOL Thanks I guess

[@Fireberries]

The only problem with this is in my experience, its difficult to search problemsolving for the web browser client because most things are written for the application. Admittedly I've not searched in a good while so it might have changed, but it was terribly frustrating because the client had updated and thus was incompatible with the stuff written for Hotmail

[@markh.6687]

Hotmail was bought by Microsoft many moons ago, but was originally a stand-alone email system that M$ decided was worth buying. The owners held out for an insane price, and M$ paid it after trying to negotiate with the owners more than once. The story is told in the book "The Nudist On The Late Shift" by Po Bronson (1999).

[@PinkAgaricus]

@@markh.6687 So Hotmail started off how Outlook was at first for Microsoft before it got combined with Hotmail in recent history ("recent history" is referring to Hotmail and Outlook combining, not Hotmail's acquisition).

[@IamLookingforWoody_________786]

I use Yahoo mail instead of Gmail for taking mail services😊😊😊.

[@peterjackson2625]

I wasn't aware that "everyone is ditching Gmail". Gmail has worked well for generations and continues to do so. Microsoft on the other hand, continually creates problems for users, in efforts to supply a subscription based service.

[@forgogeorge9806]

Yeah sad Microsoft become very Idiotic and unreliable garbage 🗑️ Never use it again! Shameful setup ( only thing they promote is Fucking - 🎮 games )

[@PiyaChoudhari]

No it doesn't you tube gmail every socialedia app of mine is hacked and manipulated and controlled ! Gmail didn't even send my emails to the best companies so I used other apps rediffmail also didn't so both are fake ass sites even I doubt hmm protonmail it didn't send my mails to those companies only yahoomail did and it did it so fast ! So you can see who is controlling and pulling you down if you are an honest person ! As simple as that all media sites owned by Europe or any country eventually are controlled by the same company person who targets honest people like me they are simply scared of us !

[@Levi1440p]

I actually liked Google+. I used to follow support community for cell phones I bought, for example: "LG L Prime community", and that was pretty much what Reddit is today and the way I use Reddit

[@LogicallyAnswered]

Ah, glad you liked it!

[@PARADOXsquared]

My favorite email client was Google's Inbox. I was so sure it was going to replace Gmail, but they killed it and tried to Frankenstein the features into Gmail instead. Now the UX is even more trash than it was before

[@Makingsenseofinsanity]

The extreme usage of Teams is what kind of pushes me into outlook for the easy synergies.

[@v77z]

This.

[@damnfractal]

I wish it would stop, I hate Teams with a burning passion.

[@truthteller8336]

@@damnfractal The core app is great but it runs like garbage. Hopefully ditching Electron in Teams 2.0 will fix this.

[@Hollowdude15]

So that is why people are ditching gmail and great video man :]

[@CannabisTechLife]

I'm and outlook fan. It's so much easier to set up automatons / filters. Also I can never seem to find the email i'm searching for in Gmail. For some reason the search function just refuses to find what i'm looking for even if I remember seeing it just a day or so ago.

[@ContraVsGigi]

That sounds strange to me. Gmail always had the best search, the only thing is that having so many email, one might have to be good at sorting the results.

[@bingebinge3722]

Are you deliberately ignoring the fact that Gmail is banned in China while Outlook is wildly used there?

[@LogicallyAnswered]

Didn’t even think about that haha. That’s def a big factor with China advancing so much

[@milohdd]

My personal assumption at the start of this video would be that the rise of Microsoft Teams as a school, university, and work tool means that *everyone* there will have to have a separate outlook account associated with it, which makes the percieved numbers of people using the service much higher because of necessity. Believe me I much prefer Gmail, but my university email is Outlook so I have no choice but to use it most of the time.

[@jeffreymayes907]

Your university email is not Outlook. Outlook is a email program just like Apple Mail. Both Outlook and Apple Mail will talk to multiple email platforms. Your university is using Exchange.

[@milohdd]

@Jeffrey Mayes cool, thanks. Yeah my university is using exchange - but we HAVE to use outlook as our email program to access our emails regardless of that fact. You don't always need to correct someone on the internet.

[@jeffreymayes907]

@@milohdd I was 'correcting' as you put it because the video conflates email platforms with email programs. As did your comment. I was not trying to offend you, but understanding the differences is important. If you knew the difference, why validate the misinformation of the video?

[@markbrad123]

Gmail is colorful and outstanding - easy to pick up new emails. Outlook is 'monotone' coloured so emails easily get buried and missed. Companies do like outlook though because of the global address book , group emailing, and the integration with MS Teams.

[@MazichMusic]

I use Google and Yahoo email services. I'm an Android phone user. When I recently bought an iPad for music performance, I set it up with most of the Google suite, including Home. At least it's an interface that feels the same regardless of the device.

[@shomariboulet]

Guys chill, no one is leaving Gmail fr, bro just needed a another video

[@LogicallyAnswered]

Did you see the stats my man?

[@shomariboulet]

@@LogicallyAnswered c'mon bro let's just be honest 😂💀

[@lazyreviewssupport9811]

Apple 🍏 has mail? 🤔

[@itachiuchiha25vH-usLK73]

Yeah, Apple Mail which comes pre-installed but tbh it's the worst ever mail app ever ( as per my opinions )

[@danilocorreia5104]

Honestly I think that Outlook and MS Office products are better for work and study, while gmail is just enough for personal use

[@oksowhat]

i belive its just a perception, none of them have any advantage over the other, both google and microsoft online office are equally powerful and easy to use, both have nearly same features. just microsoft gives 1tb of storage for work accounts, except that both are same.

[@redf7209]

I use Outlook for work and its great. Gmail just wouldn't cut it. However for personal use, I use and prefer Gmail. I was using a Gmail account with MS Mail client but not MS are trying to force me to use Outlook and close down mail. Outlook just doesn't seem to work out with Gmail and secondary validation keeps cropping up as an issue.

[@SalePetrovic87]

There are few Gmail features that are extremely useful that you won't get with any other email service or client... The most important one in my opinion would be the labels that allow you to better organise your emails without the need to copy/paste them into multiple folders (and waste space if they have some heavier attachments). One super-feature would also be adding any word or set of characters after a + sign that would follow your gmail username and before the @ sign - any email sent to this address would still be received as normaly, but you'll be able to see to wich + signature was the email sent and you can use that for organising your inbox (also, if you receive an email from an unknown sender, you could see what email address had they exactly used and you could pinpoint the origin of the leak)... As long as at least the label system for organizing isn't offered by any other service, I don't see any competition and if they ever offer such a solution, they'll still have to compete against gmail with their own super-features or at least match the ones Gmail offers to even cause a concern for Google. Now, although this sound as if I'm defending Google, I'd actually like to see competition doing any of this. I would probably even switch to Outlook as my main email client if it would offer these 2 features I was talking about...

[@cooper1507]

Gmail is great. The drive function and docs alone make it amazing. If you are a small biz owner gmail is wonderful because of all its integrated products.

[@lavupcreeper8131]

at 0:17 you show the same report as 0:22 edit: I hadn't noticed the cursor, they are in fact different

[@LogicallyAnswered]

Hahaha, well you definitely made me check. If you look closer, you’ll see that a different portion of the graph is highlighted using the cursor.

[@dkim3788]

If you look closely it isn't the same

[@lavupcreeper8131]

@@LogicallyAnswered ahh you're right. sorry then, i'll edit the message

[@VitekB]

I am is so used to Gmail that other clients seem ugly. I have outlook and it is just mess. So I think that Gmail will not lose many users just fraction and lot of them will come back for the simplicity and design

[@marko19914]

Gmail is not an e-mail client. It's a service provider. E-mail client is a program to read write and receive e-mails. Gmail has their own web based client- which is the interface for Gmail. You can use any mail client to read Gmail - not necessarily their web page. Please use the right words for the right things, since you are educating people.

[@LogicallyAnswered]

Thanks for the clarification Marko

[@marko19914]

@@LogicallyAnswered I, for instance, use Thunderbird instead of the browser to read my e-mails.

[@josueyuman7990]

Great video, I personally don't like Gmail cause of its lack of privacy, my emails services of choice are ProtonMail and Tutanota, they are end to end encrypted email services focused on privacy

[@adityaagarwal7]

But does apple really give you privacy ?? They just do not tell/hide that they steal your data.

[@PhilipMurphy8Extra]

Google+ was actually okay for it's time but problem is by the time everyone got to use it, People have moved on. Also force adoption of Google+ to other services was probably not the smartest idea.

[@LogicallyAnswered]

Yeah, I think forced adoption gave people a sour taste of it

[@wintersprite]

I didn’t like the Google + Photos and had preferred Picasa. Picasa allowed me to share albums or single photos on message boards easily.

[@PhilipMurphy8Extra]

@@wintersprite Picasa is now long gone, Google Photos is now it's own thing

[@truthteller8336]

Google making a *social network* invite-only killed it from the start. Shot themselves in both feet.

[@beefturkey9842]

Gmail deletes emails without my permission 😂

[@LogicallyAnswered]

Really???

[@truthteller8336]

Very hard to believe.

[@carlocarnevali7790]

Who is ditching gmail exactly? 💀

[@LogicallyAnswered]

The people in the studies haha

[@NicholasFlamy]

Lol, Apple advertises their privacy stuff yet recently they have been caught red-handed about all of it and they haven't changed anything yet.

[@benitollan]

You can have a Google account without Gmail in these days, in case you don't know. I've just been messing with all of this because I'm setting up a content creation project and were setting up the domain, site, Twitch, KZbin, Tiktok, Instagram, Twitter, Microsoft (etc, etc) accounts, and I used a Microsoft account (actually a Hotmail address) as the base email for creating the rest of the accounts (and redirecting incoming my to my domain's addresses to it) because I have a Microsoft 365 Family subscription and it comes with plenty of useful stuff (mainly the 1TB OneDrive), and I created the Google account without ever creating a Gmail account. If I click "Gmail" at the top, it asks me to create a new address, but it doesn't force me. I was never personally bothered by their old practices because I liked it, but I always understood why other people were upset by it, and I'm glad they learned their lesson, even if it took a long time. Btw, I think Microsoft is scarily good positioned right now: Windows, Microsoft/Office 365, Github, Azure, OneDrive, Xbox, Game Pass, LinkedIn, Minecraft, Bethesda, probably about to acquire Activision-Blizzard and there's information they want to acquire Netflix next; not to mention their partnershp with/stake at OpenAI.

[@Thumper68]

Personally can’t stand google or gmail. I have had the same Hotmail account for 23 years without one issue.

[@andersneldebergnielsen4972]

As part of a work change, I had to switch from Microsoft/Outlook products to Google/Gmail and it feels absolutely horrible and I miss my Outlook so much. Gmail is a very simple e-mail program which works fine for personal users (and I am satisfied with it for that purpose) However when you have to just a little bit of formatting or want to use tables or mail merge, Gmail is crap. Google archieving system AODocs is even worse (a lot worse). Microsoft got me hooked with products that just work and I do not want to have to learn to use Google products (for business use). Especially the integration between Microsoft products makes me miss MS.

[@guardianali]

And this video just caused me to finally unsubscribe from this channel. Misinfo and assumptions and a misleading clickbait title for the sake of clicks. The reduction in 'opens' is directly correlated by Apple device usage. That isnts "abandonment". Its people using the native client built into their phone. That number will fluctuate greatly as Android and Apple PHONE market share go up and down and they exchange blows. And people using an email doesnt mean they dont STILL use gmail. I have a yahoo account and an Icloud acount both of which still I use. Yahoo for business, Icloud (my work phone from company is iphone), Gmail for personal.

[@jaypatterson101]

So the stats were based on what email service is used on their phones (not including laptops)? Which might put apple in favor since there are many iPhone users?

[@LogicallyAnswered]

Sorry to hear that man. For the longest time, a significant portion of iPhone users refused to use the inbuilt mail platform. Instead they preferred to use the gmail app. However, it appears that this sentiment is heavily shifting in Apple’s favor more recently. This doesn’t seem to be a negligible trend based on the stats, but that’s just what I think.

[@LogicallyAnswered]

Also, this shift doesn’t have to do with Apple selling more iPhones given that iPhone sales peaked years ago. Rather it’s a case of iPhone users actively choosing to use the inbuilt mail app (maybe for privacy reasons) over the gmail app.

[@Friendship1nmillion]

@@LogicallyAnswered I never try to be a " Grammar Nazi " however the more correct terminology is Provider rather than " client " and Exclusivity rather than " shirkage " in this case . Didn't age with everything in this video from my experience { of having a Gmail account , I also have a Hotmail account too } . My only disappointed { & frustration } with Gmail { & Hotmail , now on my phone } IS i can't sign out , And I've clicked on the Gmail app 📲 on my phone for SO long ( in occasion of needing to get my emails ) I can't remember my Gmail password IF i needed to sign in via a computer 💻 Or give reference of my previous password / security answers IF i were to click " forgot password " . ♑️✍️😮‍💨🇦🇺🇳🇴 🧑‍🏫📑📲

[@priyanshujaiswal_in]

This is actually true _for me._ I'm only among my schoolmates and whole family who use Outlook for Email. Everybody else just stuck with Gmail. People just use the default app for everything. Android is just a client to Google Massive Ecosystem.

[@rickybhattacharya6]

In that case, create a Google account with a non-gmail addresses like Yahoo or outlook or even proton mail, keeping in mind that they have not been used as a backup or recovery mail for any Google account.

[@aski551]

Regular people are not switching from Gmail. Corporations are outlook as part of using O365 and Azure for IT management. It's better fit for corporations.

[@sukmydikgoogle]

gmail doesnt grant you access to office online suite. i just saved everyone here 12 minutes.

[@null_panda]

You really should have been more clear that there's a difference between what you're presenting and what people use as their email *provider* I can't tell you how many people I know who only have a Gmail, but use the iphone mail app ....that's still using Gmail.

[@jarrylwirth672]

That’s exactly what I do.

[@11EdYi11DrQwartz]

Since When ? i mean all my relatives exept my parents and grandparents but the rest all use gmail, and we will still use and i see like no other person using smthing else than gmail or Yahoo

[@abhishekgorale4722]

Great topic and nicely explained

[@stevesether]

Thanks. That explains why I keep hearing the world "client", but I naturally confused that with the service. I've never really liked the gmail web client, and I've always used gmail through IMAP on Thunderbird.

[@earvinarabia8733]

Aaah I remember this. Gmail was indeed invite only, and I was lucky enough to be invited. I cant believe how old my google account is.

[@AvengedKyle]

I moved from Gmail to Outlook myself. My work email is an offshoot of Outlook. So I just made a personal one. Plus the name sounds better when I have to give it out.

[@iminthatweirdpartofyoutube2687]

Gmail has been going downhill in terms of experience and safety recently. A few months ago Google switched the order of the inbox tabs so that 'Promotions' (spam) comes second instead of social. Around the same time I began getting obvious phishing emails in my inbox. It's not a good service.

[@BinaryHackerMan]

Email clients are how you access your mailbox (outlook, Apple mail, thunderbird, etc) email service providers are those that actually provide mail services (Microsoft, Apple, Google) Gmail is both a client, the webmail app, and an email service. Saying “email client” when discussing different service provider features was grating.

[@quantumkarthik]

I am very clear on this matter: 1. Gmail for Personal Use 2. Outlook for Academia (Since my profession is Academic)

[@0401412740]

Lots of companies still use GSuite. Their market dominance for search engines will still make Gmail popular.

[@manbok2035]

May be in America. In Europe, Gmail dominates.

[@NateT3]

Microsoft have been improving Outlook and Office 365 suite and more companies start integrating all their business workflow with Microsoft. It's also easier for IT to setup and control software updates, users and etc. People still use their personal Gmail for personal business while using their ms email for work.

[@lightbox617]

Anything but Outlook. Microsoft sort of hijacks all of your computer communications and messaging.

[@onlyagermanguy]

Who is dit hing G-Mail? Like everyone had and still has it?

[@mattmmilli8287]

I don’t know anyone who does not use Gmail. Where these trends coming from 😂

[@champan250]

Had been years since I last wrote a personal email in Gmail. Whatsapp and other instant messaging basically killed personal email usage

[@Paul_McNulty]

Whatsapp is used by me a lot, but not everyone uses it, but everyone has an email account.