Logos - A Connection Between Alan Wake and... Shadow of the Colossus?!

[@kanna-chan9455]

Next do "Farming Simulator's Hidden Connection TO Dark Souls".

[@ty2010]

Found it kzbin.info/www/bejne/r5SwlYJqiKylrs0

[@jessyavila5317]

😂

[@markbrowne181]

Have you read " Logos Rising: A history of Ultimate Reality" by E. Michael Jones?

[@maxderrat]

No sir! I'm guessing I should read it?

[@mercenarygundam1487]

Sleep can wait, Max uploaded.

[@maxderrat]

This guy knows what's up.

[@mercenarygundam1487]

@@maxderrat Curious, have you ever thought of talking about Lord of the Flies? It has some Heart of Darkness influences to it, I think you might enjoy it.

[@DarksteelHeart]

Amazing video as always, Max. I love the psychological/philosophical connection videos like this.

[@writerblocks9553]

I would love to hear your perspective on the Souls/borne games by Fromsoft

[@chwig7354]

Good luck with that. He'd have to find something new and original topic or subject to make a vid about it

[@pillarmenn1936]

@@chwig7354 yeah awesome as that would be, Vaati or anyone else already sucked that up dry a long time ago

[@HeatherHolt]

Pillar Menn I was thinking this too. Bloodborne is my favorite game tho so I’ll watch any video about it anyways lol

[@chwig7354]

@@pillarmenn1936 It's his spergs that won't let him, i believe. My friend's similar to Max, and i don't know why, my friend does not understand: his who, where, how, and why's are the originality. Like in cinema where the protagonist pulls out a solution out of nowhere to the antagonists' plan. But then again, that way of thinking does bring out some pretty cool ideas that leave you flabbergasted.

[@UncleDeadly1031]

Chwig The hell you just say?

[@mariamoffett5868]

Just stumbled upon your channel via your tool video analysis....I am not a gamer and was surprised by the complexity of the story lines.My sons(20 & 24) are into gaming and because of your videos I now have more insight and appreciation for their hobby.....I have no doubt that my bond with my boys will strengthen as a result.Thank you keep up the good work!

[@maxderrat]

Wow. What a lovely comment!!! I'm so glad I could get you more into games. There's a wealth of life-changing stuff in the games I cover on my channel. Shadow of the Colossus is one of the primary games that I recommend to people... because it too changed my life!

[@mariamoffett5868]

@@maxderratI Have been binge watching your videos since finding your channel......Great stuff !!!! I had no idea there was so much symbolism and meaning.... and your ability to decipher then articulate it in a way thats palatable to both beginners and novices alike is mind -blowing.

[@Inuhater]

Damn, this was a cool video. I go out of my way to avoid watching most clickbaity media analysis vids since most of them are fan theories that don't add any depth to the subject matter. This, however, surprised me. I would definitely be interested in seeing more stuff like this, linking two pieces of media together through storytelling techniques. Great stuff!

[@li__suarez]

Watch the other videos he has about SOTC, they're great!

[@deaconsyxx322]

God Max...i love your videos, its like talking to a friend that understands. does the world sometimes feel somewhat lonely to you? Like the thing you want to discuss or talk about seems so ill fitting to those your constantly surrounded by, so its just easier and simpler to smile and talk about the weather?!

[@jaysonmuzuruk6604]

You helped me solve psychology, alchemy, and through research, I am bearing witness to the living God.

[@realkingofantarctica]

“But hey, that’s just a theory!”

[@maxderrat]

A GAME THEORY

[@Skhighglitch]

Thanks for watching!

[@PigBenis4U]

I love Marcus Aurelius's Meditations, love the Stoics, had to reach for the book when you mentioned this and found that I highlighted that part because of it made me think.

[@PigBenis4U]

Please keep these coming, good sir. They are helpful.

[@maxderrat]

I will do my best, mate.

[@zezuntxiduntxi]

You're videos are seriously amazing. Thank you for all the dedication and knowledge!

[@maxderrat]

Thank you so so much! I hope to provide much more good stuff in the future.

[@jonwood2684]

Thanks for your videos Max. I'm not even a gamer but the knowledge in these is profound. Also you have brought me respect to the gaming community. I never looked at it as a form of art expression because it never resonated with me. So thankyou for the chance to humble myself

[@mariamoffett5868]

I felt the same way. I consider myself to be rather open minded but constantly dismissed games as "substance-less amusement for little kids".Looks like you are going to have to share that humble pie

[@Nevir202]

Awesome analysis as always. Really enjoyed it.

[@Nickzstuff]

Was looking forward to this!!! Hyped it's out!

[@corwin32]

I agree with the Dark Place in _Alan Wake_ being his subconscious-or at least that’s how he accesses it. But I would also argue that Alan himself is providing the words. In one of the the DLCs, “Barry” says “I only know what you know” and that he (Alan) is fighting himself. I would argue that Alan has already given form to The Dark Place unconsciously. I view his light as bringing The Dark Place under his conscious control

[@maxderrat]

I think that makes probably the most sense. The only thing that might make slightly more sense is if you believe Thomas Zane and Alan Wake are the same person and are aiding each other through the Dark Place, but I think the most concrete explanation is what you just provided.

[@corwin32]

Max Derrat It’s rare to find in my experience to find an Alan Wake fan who analyzes it so well. I do think both Zane and The Clicker are creations by Wake, and that he entered The Dark Place almost immediately upon entering Bright Falls. Also, I agree, _The Talos Principle_ is criminally underrated.

[@GamingUniversityUoG]

I Interpret the Dark Place as the Khaos state as Ovid put it. The state of existence before creation where the raw materials (soil/Darkness) of reality have not yet been assembled. It is the Infinite reservoir of this Primordial Sludge. It requires a form of conscious intent, (Word/Dreams/Art), to shape the Dark Place into something. As a result, when a person like alan goes into the Dark Place, his unconscious mind shapes the place so that is essentially is him walking around his own subconscious. Just a semantical distinction.

[@jasminabourgeois7434]

similar to the uncertainty principle and the double slit experiment: the consciousness decides what of all the possibilities manifests in physical reality. the darkness is all the juxtapositions, the light is the light of consciousness/focus and the result is the physical. It ties into synchronicity where the inner and outer merge... what you focus on, you manifest logic.

[@taryncao8089]

I recommend you read the manga “Berserk”. Lots of Jungian symbolism there. The idea of evil is a literal heart of darkness

[@maxderrat]

Hey Taryn, could you do me a favor? The Berserk series seems sort of convoluted to me in terms of what to read/watch. Could you please e-mail me like... a tome... or which books I need to read? My e-mail is [e-mail] . I would really appreciate it.

[@taryncao8089]

Having trouble with the email. I used to read Berserk on manga rock but it may not be available anymore. I’ve seen volumes on amazon for cheap. It’s not very convoluted its just that the same manga arc has been adapted to screens multiple times. If you don’t feel like reading (although I highly recommend you do) I would watch the 1997 anime adaptation. It has the best art and a beautiful soundtrack, it does cut a couple of details out to streamline the show for television but it’s still great. You can find all 25 episodes on KZbin. I would also recommend the KZbin channel ReaLifeRyan and zegodhand for supplimental material if you want to catchup quick.

[@chwig7354]

@@maxderrat archive.org/details/manga_Berserk-v02 This is all legal and free. Its an archive of books,music, art, what have you. They don't have the first one and i believe the last 2 of the series. The way you read the page is starting on the to right corner and read right to left.

[@aidschbe]

@@maxderrat There's actually just the manga to read in chronological release order. Nothing to watch, all the adaptions were unfortunate in one way or another (the 90s anime is good but ran out of money and ends one episode before that chapter's climax). I would recommend the Deluxe Edition that's currently coming out, I'm reading it myself and it's beautiful, well-translated and the HUGE, detailed, black & white prints are works of art. Hadn't made the connection, but it could be a great fit for you, definitely. Not that there's a lack of Berserk analysis on youtube, but little of it is very in-depth so I'd love to see your take on it.

[@clxwncrxwn]

Max Derrat and here is the 1997 anime, it’s fully loaded up on KZbin. kzbin.info/aero/PLpw8s6gLacvZyFBuqmW3fxIMuVeT4OxzC

[@TheAlison1456]

6:02 OMG the epiphany... That explains the line you hear when you try to walk into the ocean.

[@mrmashhead5089]

I really value this channel.

[@TheSliderBy]

Fuck yeah! I've been waiting for you to make a video on the logos 🤙

[@Davlavi]

Loving this thanks

[@Jedindy]

Great video!

[@deadlandplacebo1695]

I litteraly just installed Alan wake and finished control yesterday, would that be synchronisity? Also in your control video you missed the fact that they have a whole synchronisity lab where they have identical rooms and change this to see if the other changes

[@maxderrat]

I'm thinking of returning to the Control universe soon. :)

[@Khemiri9]

The iconics music from control and alan wake are performed by Poets of the fall give them a listen

[@exister4959]

My band is named logos!!! Great video btw, been loving everything since I saw the Aion series.

[@maxderrat]

Good choice of a name!

[@yurineri2227]

one of my favorite manga/novels, faraway paladin uses the conecept of logos as it's magic sistem

[@d_lars]

juicy content man

[@jellydamgood]

Come now, we all know that the bird is the word.

[@davidbash3388]

It'd be great to see some more videos about Alan Wake and Control from you. The Alan Wake DLC for Control is right around the corner!

[@glowingdawn9179]

You should make a video about memes as well. Like the original definition and not internet jokes.

[@maxderrat]

You might want to keep your eye on my channel next week. ;)

[@SuperBrownCanadian]

For now we see in a mirror, dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part, but then I shall know just as I also am known.

[@chrizzel28]

I am not particularly familiar with Norse myths, so perhaps I am wrong on this. However from my understanding ancient runes are similar to the Logos in that they are language given power. Perhaps something worth looking into? It's certainly something I wish to dig into later.

[@SeppukuAddict]

Basically. Odin ‘killing’ himself to discover the runes is very similar to Prometheus’ sacrifice to give humanity the fire of the gods. The runes, and language in general, are the kind of divine components that transform beasts into men and allow civilisation to form out of the chaos.

[@Octovisuals]

Thank you very much.

[@kevinferreira6608]

Max mate, u really show consider doing a series of videos on soulsborne series (demon' souls, dark souls 1+2+3, bloodborne, sekiro). Really heavy symbolism, i think the way u (and us who watch u work) like man.

[@jasonblundelldobebussing]

*Correct!* 👏👏👏

[@jagergerg9771]

So much insight.

[@HeatherHolt]

Just replayed Alan wake last month. Haven’t played the “sequel” tho. Reviews were pretty harsh. This is interesting combination. I also thought the idea of Mr Scratch aka the doppelgänger was very interesting (but went nowhere in the main game, just a cool idea).

[@GamingUniversityUoG]

I would definitely check out American Nightmare. It is certainly a different experience but adds a layer of depth to the narrative. Mr. Scratch is the primary focus of the Pseudo Sequel.

[@HeatherHolt]

Gaming University oh cool, thank you! I will check it out. I’ve had it on my steam wishlist for a while but the reviews were just so harsh and I didn’t know anyone who has personally played it. So thx for your comment :)

[@SilentVinyl]

Fascinating

[@MadMax22]

So that means Shadow of the Colossus is also connected to control

[@philippebedroom4665]

I'll be playing a lot of games on my new channel of KZbin. Thank u max

[@inhale1496]

I don't know why I read that Alan Watts instead of Alan Wake. Probably because of the assoctiation between Alan Watts and Logos.

[@glassjaw890]

It's not a lake... It's an ocean!

[@youniverse5512]

Next connection between spongebob and breaking bad, do that

[@TheJoeSwanon]

I just want Alan wake 2 I don’t care about any thing else!

[@Vtertdfgwrth5ybdfasgagadfg]

Both the writers based their myths on the logo, doesn't mean the games are connected

[@maxderrat]

It depends on what your definition of "connected" is.

[@chempa007]

This is one subjective connection and it is obvious that we can connect everything in world, specially on subjects that intrigue us. You are in pursuing for light and shadow, and in whatever you look at you connect it, you read play games watch movies/tv shows, everything for someone has some meaning. Like for example, people are seeing numbers that are special for them, and when adding sub-tracking multiplying and dividing them, they get what they want. I like most of your videos. But this subjective experience, where you expect wow effect, would not be interesting stuff. MGS and themes is what got me to this channel. Jung continued to keep me here. This one is wasting time. I thought you will do deep review and meaning of Alan Wake and its realities, but maybe other time. Thanks

[@hopebringer2348]

Hi! Ever played Hollow Knight? I think you'll find a lot of the philosophies you (and I don't mean to be excessively ofensive with this) talk about over and over again be explored in a very unique world and way.

[@msfasa]

**Sigh** Bafanada.

[@ln3851]

So, how do WE shine a light on the words (that we choose)? :)

[@103kamora]

What's the name of the music at 8mn

[@MiaJoBella]

I saw this title and could see where it was going and.... Like. I wanted to disagree because it's just too good?

[@Portekberm]

Awesome, thanks, sotc is one of the best games of all time..

[@XAVIER00783]

See "the night clerk" on Netflix

[@Sheogoratful]

What's Max favourite artist? Jung Bae 😁

[@Khemiri9]

You asked for feedback so here we go. So first of all I really feel that you're starting to repeat yourself a lot. Like I would get excited for a new video but it's the same light/dark and yin/yang idea re-explained. Secondly, which would be the solution to the aforementioned item on this list, is that i'd rather see an actual analysis of alan wake. Something like the analysis series of the heart of darkness and spec ops the line which got me hooked on your channel. Give your videos more character and elaborate on the light/dark theme more instead of repeating the same idea over and over again. I hope this doesn't come off as abrasive or overly critical but what I said stems from the bottom of my heart because I know you have the potential for greater content.

[@marekcalcote1]

You know what I think? I think you should be a professor at a University.

[@voidpinktriangle]

Girl, i...

[@333OsirisEEE]

Dialoge....

[@ty2010]

Veni vidi logos

[@fgv3357]

SoC 2 PS5 make it happen universe!

[@gustavoadolfoguardado9101]

♡♡♡♡♡

[@TheDashingRogue]

The map is not the territory. the logos is not the thing.

[@maxderrat]

What map are you referring to?

[@TheDashingRogue]

@@maxderrat The map-territory relation describes the relationship between an object and a representation of that object, as in the relation between a geographical territory and a map of it. Polish-American scientist and philosopher Alfred Korzybski remarked that "the map is not the territory" and that "the word is not the thing", encapsulating his view that an abstraction derived from something, or a reaction to it, is not the thing itself. Korzybski held that many people do confuse maps with territories, that is, confuse models of reality with reality itself. The relationship has also been expressed in other terms, such as Alan Watts's "The menu is not the meal. Tldr the word does not define its self we give it a definition.

[@ty2010]

@@TheDashingRogue Then why does meme magic work?

[@EggBastion]

_I HYPER-OBJECT!_

[@TheDashingRogue]

@@ty2010 Because people already have a preconceived notion of what people are talk about. When someone says a phrase that captures the imagination there is a possibility for the captive to take a flight of fancy based on that fanciful association(Not unlike hyperlinks on a webpage linking to one page to another & another etc. For instance the phrase "we wish to help serve man" could mean many things ranging from helping people to eating them. The same can be said for other common phrases such as "Right wing" "The Left" etc. These terms can be used to group people & Ideas that don't have anything to do with one another.

[@StarshipJais]

+1

[@yousifqismosa1249]

Bruh

[@maxderrat]

Dawg

[@SleepySnorlax133]

made no sense my nigga

[@MysticKnight]

Yikes.

[@maxderrat]

Yikes what? :P BTW, you've been subscribed to me for THREE YEARS? God bless you, sir!