Loki 1x6 "For All Time Always" FINALE Reaction/Review

[@SolidSnake8295]

You gotta feel for Loki. The first person he ever opened his heart to betrayed him and his best friend doesn’t know who he is. 🥺

[@Erik_Montesinos]

I hope later he figures out that she didn’t mean it in a bad way. Her hate just took over

[@intothefrayyo]

@@Erik_Montesinos Hate is a bad thing ..

[@Erik_Montesinos]

@@intothefrayyo I think you misunderstood. What I mean by a bad way, is that she didn’t “betray” him because she didn’t care about him. It’s because her urge for revenge clouded her judgment.

[@graystark240]

@@Erik_Montesinos “she didn’t care about him” you can guess someone’s personality all u want. But your dumb if u think she’s some kind of sociopath

[@Erik_Montesinos]

@@graystark240 bruh im saying she did care about him. And the only reason she decided to push him was because her anger took over

[@mrsolo5922]

Shout out to our Loki for being level headed. I feel like he fully redeemed himself in that moment. The thanos moment was cool but he was just given the chance to be the ruler of his own timeline and turned it down. Then instead of wanting to kill kang, he actually thought about the bigger picture. It’s bigger than him.

[@Seasonal-Shadow_4674]

that's character development right there

[@mrsolo5922]

@@Seasonal-Shadow_4674 facts

[@fireflamegamer8321]

Fr bro I'm sad that will have to wait

[@fireflamegamer8321]

@@Seasonal-Shadow_4674 fr bro

[@timeout2602]

@@Seasonal-Shadow_4674 Terrible character development

[@jackpartmann532]

X men are coming, tobey and Andrew are coming, Deadpool’s coming, fantastic four….thank you sylvie! Edit: holy shit! Thank you to everyone who agrees with me!

[@medo2339]

lmao

[@SayianWarrior]

Hopefully Tobey finally got that rent 😐

[@leviharris-hale6578]

Tobey and Andrew are not coming 😂

[@SayianWarrior]

@@leviharris-hale6578 spiderman no way home

[@leviharris-hale6578]

@@SayianWarrior every actor has stated a million times it’s not happening lmao

[@vapbst5004]

Idk how Kevin feige comes up with all this. I mean did he read every single marvel comic book lol. All these shows and movies and how everything connects. Everything is unique and well thought out. He already knows what’s going to happen in the next 5 years for the mcu and he’s probably currently working on what comes after these 5 years right now. Man is genius.

[@YourBlackLocal]

You understand he definitely isn't the sole person coming up with stuff right? It's a billion dollar franchise, he probably has a whole team of people who help him develop ideas.

[@vapbst5004]

@@YourBlackLocal I understand but I’m just giving credit to the man. It must be exhausting doing all these projects and stuff.

[@Anonymous-bm6mv]

@@vapbst5004 lol , in that case you must give credit to every single person who helped him 😂 , because you’re talking like he made that shit alone

[@benjaminjrmendina7550]

Nope kevin feige hired many marvel comics nerds experts anyone that can contribute big time

[@vapbst5004]

@@Anonymous-bm6mv fam I’m just giving the head guy the credit. It ain’t that deep. At the end of the day he oversees everything, hires these dudes and directors. Seeks out talents. Goes through every single project that comes to his desk. He also contributes to the stories. So I’m good.

[@zegrasisinnocent]

when He who remains was telling them, "better hurry up, timelines branching" my heart was jumping outta my chest lmao. Tension and reveal was top tier in this ep.

[@alexo1256]

I KNOW

[@theraid2763]

That had me panicking

[@sgt.krakatoa1093]

Bro his actor is so goated this episode

[@2litresofmercury]

@@sgt.krakatoa1093 Jonathan Majors was incredible in this episode

[@kobeom7953]

Jerry claims to be a marvel fan but says “who’s korg” 😂 They need to search up the definition of free will too

[@johnathanwill1945]

They were right about free will. The show and the review couch were talking about absolute free will. That's why they had to argue with their review mate about the consequences of absolute free will. Absolute free will and chaos are actually the same thing. All it means is that there is no standard to uphold and anything goes. Slyvy was so consumed with the ability to exercise free will that she didn't think about the negative side of other people using their free will to limit your will. Which is why kang the conqueror steps in as dictator instead of the man in the shadows, illusion of free will.

[@NoName1462]

@@nestorsx8173 kang is more of a main character than thanos

[@domino1154]

Sylvie act like a kid bruh,and she cant trust anyone even loki who sacrifice himself for her, yeah that understandable since she already running from tva since child But she dum after all that explanation she still kill him,then she regret it lol, She dum loki. But ofc thanks to her we have more movies lol.

[@darkyonko7213]

@@domino1154 Agreed

[@jjmmm515]

Korg guys Korg, not Kang

[@Kris-wp3fm]

Shouldn't be surprising Renslayer could easily kick the shit out of Mobius. Mobius has always been a behind the desk analyst but before Ravonna was the judge she was a boots on the ground hunter. Only one of them has probably had any combat experience or even training.

[@manumudgal4988]

Yes, i connected that too

[@Axxidous]

I think people expect her to be tougher than him. Just not so much so that she easily kicks him and takes his weapon from him in a millisecond. Like he should at least put up more of a fight before losing, especially with so much at stake. Also he's quite often on the field too. And even if he wasn't, it shouldn't make him 100% incapable of fighting. It just comes off as pathetic and comedic to build up this serious tension and then boop his down. lol She didn't even "kick the shit" out of him. She just sorta nudged him back and he fell over. lol

[@llamalianna]

Yup. Makes sense. Kind of nice to have a character who doesn’t know how to fight, lol. Loki’s gonna have to help him 😂

[@shihoblade]

Her power fluctuates. She can fight Asgardians head to head sometimes, and sometimes she gets worked by that same Asgardian but like 11 years old.

[@saileshnaidu8102]

He's way smarter tho

[@JairsReadingList]

In my head, Silvie just canonized 23 years of Marvel movies with one kill. From Blade 3 to X-Men Origins. . . Its all cannon now.

[@richierich7229]

It's not. Multiverse doesn't mean past franchises. All the pre MCU movies with the exception of the Spider-Man movies won't be acknowledged in the MCU.

[@RandomNPC001]

@@richierich7229 it doesn’t matter if they will acknowledge them or not but. It can still be claimed they were just a different timeline. So Jair Uribe is right and everything is cannon.

[@alexo1256]

I mean i wouldn’t say ALL movies but they could TRY to connect the other ones, especially the X-men movies by stating they already happened in different timelines

[@masamune2984]

@@richierich7229 1) It’s called head-canon. 2) You don’t know that. 3) You aren’t the authority that knows all/anything more than anything else. That’s three face-palms for you. 🤦‍♂️ 🤦‍♂️ 🤦‍♂️

[@jermainejohnstone88]

It isn't.

[@thecontinent9192]

Free will is the freedom to choose. The action following your choice still has consequences. Not having free will means your choices are always pre-determined, so even if it seems like you made the choice, it was already destined to be made and your consequence was also pre-determined. We don’t actually know if we have free will, we only have theories.

[@johnathanwill1945]

Actually we do know that everything is predetermined for our lives. The universe is quantifiable in the study of physics,which is a theory. Theory is the highest level of a body of knowledge,fact, laws etc. For example germs are still a theory, gravity is still a theory, evolution is still a theory. Theory in layman's terms is different from scientific theory. Matter cannot be created or destroyed. Also, the free will they are refereeing to in the show is absolute free will which is exactly the same as chaos. The free will you are describing is liberty guided by pre-selected options.

[@daviemeister3355]

Exactly, Asia! I was just making a monologue to myself about that. Consequences happen because one individual is not the only person that HAS free will. Think about it. If I decide to kill someone out of “free will”, then that person’s familiy also has the “free will” to attempt to kill me in revenge. In other words, if I decide to use my “free will” to hurt people, others can also use their free will to create a law to protect themselves FROM me. Therefore, the concept of “karma” can only be manually made. If karma truly existed and actually the universe hated bad guys, then there should have not been a single crime committed as bad guys would be aware that the literal universe is against them, and it would put everyone in check, because they KNOW that if they do anything bad, then they would always be destined to lose and therefore, their crimes would not be worth it. However, this is not the case, so natural Karma cannot exist. The law is what I call “intentional” or “manual” or “man-made” karma, which is justice served by actual people to keep ourselves in check. Back to the point, as you’ve stated, we have the ability to choose, but it doesn’t mean that everything works out as planned, as every other living sentient creature also has the ability to choose. Therefore, their very existence stops things from going in one individual’s direction. If you choose to go outside in the winter with no clothes, you made your choice but it doesn’t mean you are free of consequences such as hypothermia, frostbite, etc. So I agree with you. A lot of people do indeed tend to confuse freedom of choice with freedom from consequence.

[@tehcookievanilla1323]

@@johnathanwill1945 Just because they are the highest doesn't mean both theories and laws could potentially be falsified by countervailing evidence, we don't understand everything in the universe down to the quantum level therefore there always could be potential countervailing evidence for that everything is being predetermined. But I do agree that everything might be predetermined, for some reason I just didn't like your reasoning.

[@johnathanwill1945]

@@tehcookievanilla1323 scientific theory is the highest level of understanding you can reach when describing a phenomenon. It's the finish line. We dont need to know everything about the universe for my argument to hold firm. If we did get to absolute knowledge it would still be something there affecting the universe in such a way that it would still lead to everything being determined from that phenomenons point of view. Have you ever seen dominoes lined up and get knocked down by 1 event. That's how the universe works. From the start of that line to the end you can predict that all of them will fall as long as the constants remain intact. That's how our lives work. That's how they came up with big bang theory. From the start of our life we automatically have an inevitable physical death date already determined for us. The only gap in knowledge is that we dont know what will lead up to it in most cases. We only select from a preselected list of possible outcomes and physical triggers govern those. For example, you do not choose when you are hungry or thirsty physical events govern that you can only choose to try to acquire sustenance to alleviate those triggers. Free will is a concept born of a knowledge enriched mind. We have ego problems as humans so we can't accept not being in total control. It's painfully obvious that the universe runs on autopilot.

[@noconaroubideaux9423]

@@johnathanwill1945 The whole point of a scientific theory is that we aren't at the finish line yet. For example, string theory and quantum loop theory are both theories that reconcile quantum mechanics with relativity, among the many other attempts at describing the same. Being an organic life form that will eventually decay into energy content doesn't mean you don't have free will. First, energy cannot be created or destroyed. The actual energy content of your body existed long before you ever did and will exist long after your consciousness has faded. Thats just a condition for life. What isn't a condition for life is the entire history of human civilization. We don't need youtube as a condition for our survival but we have it and many of us use it regularly. Same goes for roads, jobs, taxes, etc. Free will is the same in that it is not a condition for survival and people generally give away free will temporarily when their survival is threatened if they believe it is a legitimate tool of survival. Even then, we choose to give up free will because we could always just not give up our free will if we're willing to accept whatever consequence come from reclaiming free will in a powerless position. Neither of which matter when the energy content of your body will remain the same regardless of the choice so it is a choice we are at free will to determine because the only real difference is the meaning that we apply to response to a given situation. Also, the world is not quantifiable in physics. We don't have maths complex enough to quantify the universe. Theres a billion things that happen in the universe that science knows about but only understand that it works the way it does because the universe wants it to work that way.

[@kaku2323]

This episode was a great setup for the “What If” series.

[@gotone2513]

The beginning of Phase 4 is already fucking goated. Shit boutta start getting crazy real fast. Secret Wars is coming. If you know… you know💯🔥

[@shawngaines1117]

Ong

[@mariannejohnson8324]

Probably not until the X-Men and mutants are introduced. Probably around their 20yr anniversary which is in another 10 years or so.

[@gotone2513]

@@mariannejohnson8324 Just in time for Phase 5

[@richierich7229]

Secret Wars is not coming. Calm down

[@gotone2513]

@@richierich7229 Oh I’m sorry are you CEO of Marvel?

[@AqwDragulum]

I still ain’t forget Pat calling Classic Loki’s backstory “boring” smh

[@DirtySam0410]

Patric's opinion is smh...his opinions are for the most part just wrong...

[@sazude2]

I'm glad there are at least some sane people in RTTV'S fandom. I didn't forget his thrash take either.

[@jhsofficialbluray4573]

@@DirtySam0410 bro he was joking , because the kid Loki killed Thor , and then the classic Loki didn't achieve anything , that's why he was joking

[@intothefrayyo]

@@jhsofficialbluray4573 😐

[@blackhawk9784]

Ain't it crazy that a black man is running the universe. Real talk. Marvel got love for everyone.

[@zegrasisinnocent]

"Black man on top" lmao

[@generationsigma646]

He's just tampering with the timelines, The One Above All and The Living Tribunal are the ones who actually run everything beyond most Marvel character's comprehension!..💀💀💀

[@Funnycoolman11]

I don't think it's a flex that a black man is a evil dictator that's going to get clapped by the Avengers

[@MiguelTorres-hi9fr]

@@Funnycoolman11 "yes black man is the main villain"

[@getsugaallen6612]

@@Funnycoolman11 bruh fax 😂😂😂😭

[@xongaming4456]

Sylvie's nexus event was she aspire to be a hero, and she's going to that path. But in the sacred timeline, a Loki is destined to be a villain, that's why TVA has to take her away.

[@shihoblade]

Was that etsablished? Im pretty sure she didnt even have a Nexus event. She was dragged off the timeline by Immortus precisely so she can come kill or replace him. She is a targetted missle, she didnt need to actually break time law.

[@xongaming4456]

@@shihoblade it was not mentioned, but it was hinted when Slyvie is playing as a hero. Otherwise, TVA judges will have nothing to judge if Sylvie has no nexus event.

[@xongaming4456]

@@shihoblade also, they pruned the place after they captured Sylvie. They only prune a branching timeline. Therefore, there was a nexus event.

[@CelVini]

@@shihoblade the TVA needed a reason to be in her timeline/universe, she certainly caused a Nexus event, it's just not known if it was because she wanted to be a hero, because she was a girl or other less explored reason

[@huhjanus]

@@CelVini im 9 months late but if the reason was because she was a girl, the timeline was supposed to be pruned the moment sylvie was born. why wait after she became a child? there has to be a reason why the show showed her playing with valkyries (instead of causing mischief like a loki)

[@cynicalperson161]

Around the 17 minute mark, I didn't expect them to get so argumentative lol

[@kobeom7953]

They actually do that a lot for their anime reactions too 😂

[@cynicalperson161]

@@kobeom7953 Lol noted

[@Cityweaver]

Actually very typical for them. Hotblooded at the drop of the hat. How did DC point out that Sylvie did nothing wrong to cause a nexus event and Pat's rebuttal is "You want to run naked in the streets!"

[@TheOneWhoDings]

Y'all Trippin, Free will is About your thoughts not your actions, you have the will to think whatever you want. You wanna rob a bank? You can actually do it, but there will be consequences, free will doesn't mean do whatever you want and expect not to be held accountable.

[@ajgo2145]

The problem is she destroyed the "rules". He who remains is the one who guides the multiverse from preventing a Nexus conqueror from existing in the timeline. He himself is the rules. In other words, everyone can do whatever they want in the multiverse, and no one will hold them accountable since there are no rules (which make sense it's called Multiverse of Madness).

[@fireflamegamer8321]

I would be ok with it if he wasn't killing people that's my online problem

[@imanigordon6803]

@@ajgo2145 Facts they don’t get this and it’s annoying

[@soloroki]

@@ajgo2145 that’s not what he’s governing tho. He’s just isolating the pre-existing timelines. He didn’t create management or laws. He just keeps what was already going from changing enough to bring the other kangs into the fold.

[@TheOnlyHeero]

Lets all thank sylvie for bringing in Tobey And Andrew this Christmas

[@evald5373]

Hell no she fuck it up

[@bruhmomento6691]

Thank this character for this, thank that character for that… BRUH, THANK THE SCRIPT, BOZOS🤣🤣🤣

[@domino1154]

Sylvie act like a kid bruh,and she cant trust anyone even loki who sacrifice himself for her, yeah that understandable since she already running from tva since child But she dum after all that explanation she still kill him,then she regret it lol, She dum loki But ofc thanks to her we have more movies lol

[@siamese..]

@@bruhmomento6691 You must be fun at parties

[@Johnny_JD]

They're not coming, stop hyping yourself up just to be disappointed

[@altaris2000]

Evan is the only one that seems to actually understand what free will means.

[@domino1154]

Sylvie act like a kid bruh,and she cant trust anyone even loki who sacrifice himself for her, yeah that understandable since she already running from tva since child But she dum after all that explanation she still kill him,then she regret it lol, She dum loki. But ofc thanks to her we have more movies lol

[@pittayayas]

@@domino1154 nah, she is not dumb as there isnt a right a wrong decision. Because there has ALWAYS been multiverse. But Kang was the only 1 who figured it out and KANG started the war. If Kang didnt exists. Every timeline would never meet up with eachother.

[@domino1154]

@@pittayayas it's unavoidable, kang exist is unavoidable in multiverse,even if u kill 1 kang there will be millions of kang variants in other universe but silvy can choose and she choose to become dum, ofc there it is she wrong very wrong,she started the multiverse wars again and far more worst since the good variant kang already dead

[@pittayayas]

@@domino1154 no, because you can eventually kill kang like they did in the comics

[@domino1154]

@@pittayayas that too late, because the multiverse already begin and kang is not only one,thousands or even millions of kang variants already started the multiverse war think with ur brain,how many countless people will dead because the multiverse wars, and also it's far more worst than before iam done, Why you so brainless My comment got deleted but iam talking about the consequence ofc kang will lost but zilions of people will dead and many universe will got destroyed, Sylvie is dum and u more dum

[@thepopo592]

I think a lot of them missed the point on what kangs real purpose was, Kang whole shtick was "freewill without chaos" not "no free will but you're safe", so that girl didn't have to "do" anything to be purged from the timeline, she just wasn't supposed to exist in general and thus was a chaos factor that needed to be removed.

[@simpgod2170]

If Sylvie used her enchantment on Kang, she would've seen his memories and know if he telling the truth or not

[@tabbypappy]

That's true, but her mission was to take him out regardless

[@AqwDragulum]

u can tell she wasn’t thinking smart no more once she saw Kang/ HWR

[@pessimistic_sith3821]

Her enchantment didn't work on Loki and she said it's hard to enchant people who have a strong mind, you really think it would of had an effect on HWR Kang a guy who has presumably been doing this for eons. I doubt it

[@kidkomb5264]

@@AqwDragulum Fr she kept saying it was a manipulation, and let her sense of revenge take over her

[@tyctakeda2646]

That’s not kang

[@TheMoistGamer77]

Rob gets excited every time he hears “free will” or “willpower” lmaooo

[@saritarani5557]

the moment sylvie killed kang wanda heard her kids voices lmao. Dr strange 2 gonna be a chaos

[@haithamsa1212]

Wait what fr? When did they show that

[@saritarani5557]

@@haithamsa1212 they never showed that but im assuming thats what would have happened

[@morrissuah9587]

@@saritarani5557 makes sense honestly Dr.Strange gon be workin overtime

[@joachanelly14]

Evan the only one that knows what free will means

[@ssj2tarble]

Thanks to Sylvie, literally everything in Marvel becomes available to make movies and series.....looking forward to Marvel's What If.

[@dredre8424]

Rob was confused the whole time 😂

[@RichardStrong86]

What else is new?

[@khaii1955]

And keep spouting nonsense everytime with his short minded thinking

[@jonnnyz9519]

@@khaii1955 chille 😭😭

[@The-Beyonder]

lmao that free will argument with Evan and Pat. Ngl tho this freewill argument is not as complex as people make it out to be. I will say that the " rob a bank" argument doesn't mean you have power over others free will and doesn't negate you having free will by attempting a robbery

[@MrPantone]

Was thinking the same, Pat thinks being louder wins you an argument

[@ameliassimp]

I'm with Evan on that one, they don't know wath freewill is LMAO

[@The-Beyonder]

@@ameliassimp 💯

[@The-Beyonder]

@Joshua Johnson That is another big thing people don't get about free will. Having omniscience or anything of the sort doesn't affect free will. Knowing something someone else is gonna do doesn't mean you've affected their free will by knowing

[@calvintyler9281]

@@The-Beyonder wait, I'm confused on what you mean. Are you saying that those that lived had free will or not because they very much didn't and if you think they did I'd very much like to understand what you mean.

[@matthewfortuna4464]

I like how Kane's actor played this episode because he'll act completely different the next time we see him

[@3COI]

I like how the conversation at the end got deeper and yall thought processes got clearer as the discussion went on. That's the sign of a great discussion. Great first season of a show and I can't wait to see how this plays out going forward in the MCU.

[@brendenthiel]

In Kang's mind he's inevitable, a version of him will ALWAYS be the one in charge. So it might as well be him, a "good/mostly benevolent" version, as opposed to a sadistic version of him who really is a "devil"

[@reezwave]

16:35 The nexus event in TVA rules happened to avoid multiversal war which is to avoid another Evil Kang being born, so about Silvie's nexus event, although it's pretty weird, it still makes sense because she and most Lokis are the reason multiversal war about to happen. Hence why the whole Endgame is not a nexus event because no Evil Kang about to be born because of that

[@threegraces7839]

I lost it at “THAT’S NOT THE FREAKIN’ VOID, PATRICK!”

[@ChairWithScoliosis]

people called rob crazy when he said pat be yelling to make his point. all of yall owe him an apology lol

[@sazude2]

And I started agreeing with Rob since last year because I realized that as well. I realized it when Patric was and still is trying too hard to be Rob.

[@benjaminjrmendina7550]

The one they met first is not kang, he just said that he's been called kang, the one they met is he who remains, i think he's been called he who remains is because he is the only one remaining and preventing the variants of him to emerge i also think that, that nathaniel richards is immortus and the one in the ending that had a statue of him is the kang the conquerer version of nathaniel richards

[@benjaminjrmendina7550]

@@Farisss11 he is old thatswhat he said, he might look young for he's not, he's been keeping the sacred time line in peace for millions of years,

[@jesseespinoza8657]

this is absolutely correct

[@RichardStrong86]

When he's talking about being called multiple things I think he's talking about his variants in the singular. So different versions of him are conquerors and various other things.

[@morrissuah9587]

It’s a version of kang not the kang the conqueror but it’s A Kang

[@BabyFoodChewer]

I swear in a lot of these videos Rob doesn’t even know what’s going on his face looks so confused lol

[@Usshamma]

He actually knows nothing and doesn’t show any interest unless it’s obi wan getting his ass beat in clone wars or morty getting his ass beat in Rick and morty

[@getsugaallen6612]

@@Usshamma he does in one piece

[@Onthesenzu]

@@Usshamma dang💀

[@dashboy6125]

prolly just him squinting bc he can’t see , used to be me when I 100% neglected glasses lmao

[@ryanroberts3270]

the first 20 min of the show went over his head

[@fiery-death8689]

You do realize that Kang started the whole Multiversal War to begin with. Also from Slyvie's point of view the Multiverse is the natural order. Kang is the ultimate villain because he is the reason there was a multiverse war. So he can't turn around and claim he's doing the right thing when if left shit alone the first time the multiverse would have existed without a war starting.

[@ryanroberts3270]

they were acting like slyvie was being selfish for her wanting all pruning to stop.

[@Masculai1z]

Only some Kang's wanted that not all of them and obviously not this Kang, so no it's not his fault. There was an infinite amount of them so it's natural that some of them are going to have differing viewpoints and ideals, some are going to be evil, it's just human nature.

[@ryanroberts3270]

@@Masculai1z it’s his fault ppl get pruned

[@Masculai1z]

@@ryanroberts3270 As he said in the episode ''it's not personal, it's practical'' You can't have people creating diverging timelines where Kang's can war off with each other for dominance. I assure you in Phase 4 you are going to see why what he did was so necessary, particularly in Doc Strange 2 and Ant-Man 3

[@Zoidberryable]

@@ryanroberts3270 But she was being selfish? She was only thinking of things from her perspective and her need for revenge. HWR and Loki both tell her to grow up and stop making it about her experience instead of seeing the bigger picture. It's possible to support Sylvie but still acknowledge that.

[@ZimmerSquash]

Man I love watchin reactions with ya'll. My favourite group for reacts

[@phivanle7]

Y’all are mad because Sylvie screwed up the multiverse and “a lot of people are going to die” are forgetting that people and timelines are literally being killed off every moment they don’t align with Kang’s storyline.

[@Unleashthebeastable]

Well yeah, that's the whole point. Immortus (Kang) was the best and most simple way to show a human mind what God would most likely go through and do for the end goal and balance. He was neither bad nor good, he's just IS, doing what he does because otherwise - there will be NOTHING. And he actually stated, ''I've been through ALL scenarios and this is best one that can be'' - meaning, that he understands that it might be awful for some, and if there was a better way than this one - he would it immediately take it, but there is not ... that was the whole idea of him explaining it to them. At that point, human emotions, understanding, and personal vengeance cannot be compared to the same level as to what was Immortus doing, nor it will be justified. Plus, she didn't change anything - she just made it 1000 times worse and even more people will die because of that. And if you watch Sylvie's reaction closely, after killing Kang, even she realised that she fucked up.

[@ShieldVids]

@@Unleashthebeastable either way people will die. so it is better to die with free will

[@phivanle7]

@@Unleashthebeastable I get what you're saying but Kang shouldn't be the one to control that. He shouldn't be the one to determine which person/timeline/universe gets pruned and erased from existence. Same can be said about Thanos. He has a point. There are way too many people feeding off of limited resources. But the issue is that Thanos shouldn't be the one to decide that for EVERYONE. In Kang's story, he did say that his variants were the ones that were fighting and conquering these timelines. So..... The answer is to stop Kang (don't know how but I guess we will find out in phase 4) That is probably the one scenario that Kang didn't come up with.... For him to not exist and cause these wars from happening. About Sylvie, sure. But we don't know exactly what she's feeling. Yes, she was crying but that could be from her realizing that she betrayed Loki (the one person that believed in her). And she definitely changed things. There is free will now and people and timelines can exist without following a predetermined path. I don't agree that "even more people will die" because like I mentioned in my previous comment.... literal timelines and universes are being erased hahah like all the time. And yes, it's going to get bad before it gets good. But the bottom line is.... one person should not dictate all. Example, if you're a professional basketball player... and then someday you decide "nah, I want to play tennis instead" ... YOU and your timeline should not be pruned and wiped from existence.

[@phivanle7]

@@ShieldVids 10000%

[@Unleashthebeastable]

''So it's better to die with free will'', ''There is free will now and people and timelines can exist without following a predetermined path.'' - guys, did you saw what happened at the end of the episode. What free will was there in the end? Kang the Conquerer took immediately over (plus all of the other bad Kangs are loose as well). You think there is free will now when Kang has become a true dictator at the TVA (we even got a hint from the small dialogue of Mobius and B-15 that they have already taken some kind of orders from him)? Beforehand you had a guy that at least tried to make as much of a balanced scenario as possible (and people in the Universe in general did actually had free will, excluding those that had to be erased at one point), while now you have a true Dictator that openly and forcefully implement his way as a law - that was the whole point of Immortus in the first place. Regarding the whole ''free will'' topic ... it is a deep and complicated subject, but generally and philosophically speaking - there is no such thing as a ''true'' free will (that's what they actually tried to implement in the show as well) ... but that's for some other time. As for the Thanos comparison - I get what you're saying, but Thanos was focused only on one and only one Universe (his), and in his plan it was about bringing back balance, not eradicating all life ... while Immortus explained that we are talking about the eradication of everything, everywhere, in every Universe ... I think that Kang's points gave him a better reason to become somewhat of an authority. P.S. I like the idea that the way out is to eradicate all of the Kangs in general since they are the source of the problem, no idea how that is possible since there is an infinite number of him, but that's a good idea nonetheless. The dialogue currently is focused on the things that happened as of now.

[@granddaddypurp909]

bruh ngl when i first saw he who remains pats voice popped into ma head sayin black man and reminded me to watch this video afterwards

[@matthewtopping2061]

15:55 The most heated debate I've ever seen on MCU reaction vid🤣

[@D3DS3C]

Agree, I was like "DAMN, this shit got real".

[@tehcookievanilla1323]

"That's not the FRICKIN point Patrick!" Oh my I felt that!

[@personanonomys6546]

Everyone’s been talking about kang no one thought to mention how in the comics he has multiple lives what about iron lad or the old guy before him

[@Funnycoolman11]

That wasn't Kang it was Immortus we aren't getting the actual Kang till Antman 3

[@landob3302]

kang in this episode literally just said that there will be different variations of him so people are expecting it lol

[@swagman2001]

I was about to say iron lad is one of my favourite version of kang he kinda reminds me of ikol who is the kid version of Loki both good guys going through their redemption arc

[@i.n.o6425]

This episode goated

[@jGusss]

free will isn’t the ability to do whatever you want but it’s to live a life free of influences. Free from politics, religions, peer pressures, expectations, destiny

[@intothefrayyo]

I was like what are you guys arguing about here ..

[@jGusss]

@@keezzyb1744 wow you made some very valid points, I’m totally convinced that I’m wrong now…

[@Masculai1z]

Your definition of Free Will is a literal impossibility, that's not what free will is. Free Will is simply the ability to make choices uninhibited. I can choose to either walk, ride a bike, or take my car to work. The reviewers and even the _Loki_ show for that matter were getting that mixed up with consequences and predeterminism.

[@getsugaallen6612]

@@Masculai1z right, what is this guy talking about

[@SolidSnake8295]

15:55 - 17:20 Damn, they got heated. 🤬

[@glennrobertbantug8553]

Don’t you just love it that a Marvel show has you guys arguing about free will vs predestination 😁

[@teresaluz975]

Loki changed because he saw his future in that TVA file and because of Mobius, and because of Classic Loki too. Loki became a better person, he was willing to put other people's lives above his own, he was a hero. I'm sad Mobius, his only friend, doesn't remember him.

[@jerrygaines1333]

~ 16:00 Evan was right, pat and wellz were wrong. In that universe or reality your entire course is predetermined the minute you step out you are erased. not punished. erased. free will has consequences but erasure from existence can hardly count as a punishment. free will implies a lack of duress to make a decision.

[@chriswave1992]

I love that a Marvel Superhero show can make people think about these deep theories and concepts.

[@wolf101516]

The freewill debate was fye and Loki going so crazy he gotta season 2 marvel next phase finna be crazy

[@momoblazedragon897]

I love how one episode connects Spiderman no way home Doctor Strange madness of the multi-verse and Ant-man 3 along with season 2.

[@doctordoom4458]

Potentially also bringing in the FOX characters like deadpool, xmen, etc. It's so exciting to even think about.

[@doctordoom4458]

Loki reportedly reprising his role in the new Doctor Strange movie. The trio consisting of Wanda, Strange, and Loki is gonna beat heat!

[@djcantskate3883]

“The best thing she did is create a season two” lmao

[@corvus2512]

I absolutely love that a big philosophical argument about free will broke out between everyone!! Haha that was great

[@biashacker]

I like how this video devolved into a philosophical discussion.

[@morrissuah9587]

Yeah and even then they were all misunderstanding free will while the did with the white sweatshirt and hat was close he didn’t really get it either

[@blackhawk9784]

The MCU version of He Who Remains (Jonathan Majors) is most likely an amalgamation of He Who Remains, who in the comics the creator of TVA, and Immortus, who in the comics, is a variant of Kang the Conqueror who wishes to prevent Kang's conquest. Twitter for the help

[@doyin_dimeji]

Did anyone else notice the pan into a MK type fight with each character on opposing sides when Loki said "You can't trust but I can't be trusted"? That's just a visual identifier that they were about to fight.

[@bigboiidex3212]

This was beyond amazing!!! The acting was top tier... We made it boys! R.I.P DC universe

[@TheJames1579]

Who knew that one of the biggest moments of the MCU that would redefine the series happened to be in a TV show lol

[@Web497]

Ikr

[@stevenrogers2684]

23:06 There was kind of a parallel to that in Legend of Korra in Books 3 & 4. Zaheer went through all that to take down government for "freedom" and what did that end up doing... left a power vacuum for a tyrant to take over right after. Kuvira.

[@therealbwells2024]

This episode sparked a whole argument between these guys😂😂😂😂

[@AfrikanCaesar]

The best part about this review was watching Rob fight his sleep the entire time. 😂😂😂

[@CousinCreepy]

That's what I'm tuning in for lately! It's fascinating and he never disappoints! Maybe he's on pain meds, looks like something's up with his knee.

[@calebknights8251]

Free Will is not the same as Incentive or. You have the free will to rob a bank but your discouraged to do so because their are negative consequences to your actions. We are persuaded to adhere to the rules and boundaries within society because of the negative reinforcements and punishments acting deterrents preventing total chaos as a result of free will. What the show and the episode was referring to is is pretty determination. Bringing up the conversation that if Kang or someone else is in control who knows how everything ends including all of our decisions then is their really such thing as choice if was already pre destined.

[@6996nishant]

Rob is so clueless. It’s hilarious.😭

[@Shock_shmane]

Sylvies nexus event was probably her being a Valkyrie since the toys she was playing were Valkyries,

[@krishnaalmeda3125]

When the most good variant of Kang is still a tyrant kind of ruler but doesn't want to be seen, that just means the evil variants of him are far much worse

[@collectivevision9884]

Shouldn’t have edited him yelling at Sylvie calling her a hypocrite, that’s his best line.

[@jameswest35]

Sylvie will go down as the BEST thing to happen to Phase 4. She's given us infinite versions of favorite characters, anything can be canon now, recasts with no explanations, and a multiverse war, also known as Secret Wars! So you see, she's given us waaaay more than just a season 2.

[@jayxxautumn2422]

after watching loki s2 and come back here bc i wanna see how they gonna take whole "Free Will" thing that these whole group can't accept right now lmao only that one man understands why sylvie did that. respect bro.

[@Polymathically]

15:54 Come for the reaction, stay for the heated philosophical debate.

[@reyhugo4879]

We have freewill, you can choose to do anything you want, but consequences are still here, you have the choice of action, but the repercussions are the freewill of other people around you

[@jacobtaylor5879]

pat swear yelling make him right when he actually doesn't understand the concept of free will lmfao

[@glitchyman1659]

"you cant walk up butt naked and be straight" what? LMAO

[@jasonusher3824]

Great reaction, Free will is being able to choose your job/who you love/your friends not being able to walk Naked or rob banks, everyone uses their free will everyday, you guys are using your free will to make these videos, so free will isn’t instant chaos

[@woobackwednesday9776]

Jerry must’ve said “kang the conqueror” like 100 times this reaction

[@rhynotink]

She didn't just cause a second season, pretty sure she caused the next 10 years of marvel movies

[@donovan8530]

sheeesh

[@arthurlima3215]

Bruh, Rob is almost sleeping every reaction 🤣

[@brifo3394]

No action= Sleepy Rob

[@mariannejohnson8324]

I think in the overall scheme of things Immortus wants Wanda’s kids. They were never supposed to happen. I believe those few seconds he didn’t know what was going to happen is right when Wanda was looking for her kids back in the WandaVision post credit scene. Kids of Nexus beings are his kryptonite and to time itself in the comics. In Loki, he wanted them branch timelines for Wanda to lead him to them. I would not be surprised if Kang/Immortus was manipulating Wanda from the beginning something like the comics. They’re telling her story through all these projects. Wiccan and Speed are the motivations for Phase 4.

[@KenDanielMurphy]

I love the debate explosion over ethics. This show made it ripe. Pretty awesome.

[@masamune2984]

This now means that there are an infinite number of timelines where Evan has taste/class and is actually a fan of Rukia.

[@malvika3758]

Yes 😂

[@getsugaallen6612]

LOL u rukia fans are crazy

[@LilGreasyAndEm]

They started arguing about free will 🤣

[@neonlatte]

Evan is definitely the Chaos alignment NPC in the room. He should play SMTV when it comes out lol

[@xelu8960]

Yo the free will argument really killed me 🤣

[@belowpressure]

Thank you Sylvie for making everything Marvel that Disney owns canon

[@h-sgamer547]

I Need this pat arguments in one piece against rob bro my boy pat with the Einstein argument here 🔥🔥😂

[@anjiemaru]

When Loki and Silvie are talking about free will they mean not being part of Kanes written timeline so if Loki grabbed the tesseract and escaped the avengers then he escaped there is no Kane or TVA that could tell him that wasn’t supposed to happen. Also I believe that The Kane we got in this episode was a good/evil variant of himself because in the episode he said “If you think I’m evil just wait till you meet my variants”

[@Masculai1z]

There will always be a Kang and a TVA just as the ending showed us and this Kang is far worse than the previous one

[@matthewfortuna4464]

subtext even a man who has changed can't escape his past in a women's eyes

[@Nowis05]

The actor of Kang did a very great job as the good kang, I don’t know why ppl are angry about the fact that he is black and not blue, personally I’m in hype to see him acting as the bad Kang, he is going to be my favourite MCU actor 😂

[@angelicaadams]

Y'all. This isn't about creating rules. Kang was literally MURDERING trillions of people to have ORDER. He literally called himself a villain. His reasons are similar to that of Thanos. Understandable sure.. right? No. Chaos will happen but that's why we got superheroes!

[@eugenejohnson1867]

except the chaos literally brought the MCU to complete destruction (he outright stated it). His variants forms greatly outmatch nearly all of Marvel superheroes. IT WAS ONLY HIM that stopped the multiverse's from being destroyed; no avengers or anything; only himself. Also not everyone gets pruned; some gets reset. They clearly say either prune or reset; Loki was going to get reset.

[@N3xtStopHell]

@@eugenejohnson1867 even tho they did say that they were going to reset Loki they still pruned his timeline, they show it right after he got captured in episode 1

[@myroncoetzee5228]

*The guy who is going to play Kang calls himself a conqueror* Jerry: Guys I think it MIGHT be Kang the Conqueror

[@809Bman]

To be fair the guy talking wasn't kang he was a variant the statue at the end that was kang

[@GoldenDragonMonkey]

I was told that they kinda implied Sylvie’s nexus event was her existence as she was the most different of all the Loki and the quickest to diverge from the typical Loki path

[@goblin6914]

People look at Syvie killing he who remains after being hunted down to be removed from existence her entire life since she was a child and really think 'yeah but shes dumb for killing him i wouldnt have done that im built different'

[@domino1154]

Sylvie act like a kid bruh,and she cant trust anyone even loki who sacrifice himself for her, yeah that understandable since she already running from tva since child But she dum after all that explanation she still kill him,then she regret it lol, She dum loki. But ofc thanks to her we have more movies lol

[@firewall4431]

Fact

[@astalothbrok4902]

One thing I've noticed people seem to not be considering with Sylvie is that this is very much a Loki c. the first Thor film. Loki's had some growth that she just hasn't yet, and just as he had to learn the hard way that destroying Jotunheim and killing Laufey didn't really do him any good, she's having to learn that with killing He Who Remains. She and Loki definitely care for each other, deeply, and I think the way she kissed him and sent him away was telling him "I have to do this, I'm sorry, but I can't give up on this". This has been her life's goal, since they took her almost, and as much as she does care for Loki they haven't known each other more than a few days. But, this isn't the end of their story- I think she and Loki will be reconciled next season, and good on her for doing what she needed to do! Loki's done a lot of wrong too, and he's always forgiven. She can come back from this :)

[@Slimysnotnose]

Making the comparison to Rick is perfect, Rick and the council are based off of Reed Richards (Mr. Fantastic) and the Council of Reeds in the comics. Exactly like Kang he discovers multiverse travel and forms a council to improve each reality. It’s also worth noting that in the comics Kangs lineage is traced back to both Reed Richards and Doctor Doom

[@darrahtilton]

Loved the intense discussion about free will 👏

[@zangetsu1597]

1. They are putting too much trust into this universe's Kang. He said there would be infinite amounts of him which I believe. But he also framed his words in a way to have them believe that ALL of other versions of him are worse than him. If there are infinite Kang's, doesn't that mean there are also infinite possibilities? 2. She destroyed "this" Kang's "rules". But restored the natural disorder to the universe. He essentially decided what choices everyone was allowed to make and even though another Kang is just gonna take his spot, I understand why Sylvie did it. Pat and the others were talking about "rules" but none of them seemed to answer Evans question about "what rule did kid Sylvie break to have her life taken away, so young". They are comparing freedom of consequence to free will which is two different things. From what we saw, you could easily become a variant based on the rules Kang had in place. You could do a good thing in life and still become a variant because "you weren't supposed to do tuat good thing". So yes there are "rules" but those rules will not likely be viewed as just by someone on the receiving end of it. Also why would I trust someone who took my life away for merely existing? Why would I just quietly go home after coming face-to-face with the person who's been pulling everyone's, but most importantly, MY strings? Something worse may be waiting, but I would have no peace of mind knowing that everything I do is controlled by a dude in a mystikal mansion beyond the end of time.

[@Axxidous]

Joel sounding surprised: "This lady has trust issues. She just can't trust nobody" YA THINK? It's not like they clearly just pointed that out a earlier in the episode. (Also, I mean... she just met the guy... the guy that destroyed her whole world and her life. It makes sense for her not to just... take his word for it.)

[@erikolson4148]

Sylvie may have had a meaningless victory, in which she killed He Who Remains, releasing his Variant self, Kang the Conqueror and all of his/their other Variants 😰😱, as well as both literally and figuratively pushing Loki away, hurting him (emotionally) in the process 🥺😣😔, but, at least she restored free will by allowing the Multiverse to be regrown, while there _will_ be a lot more villains, there will _also_ be a lot more heroes to rise up to stand against them 😤(proud)😉. In the Ultimate Spider-Man cartoon, they showed the Spider-Verse, in which while there was one out of all of Spider-People in the Multiverse that that was completely evil 😈 called Wolf Spider, and using a magical artifact, tried to absorb the power of any and all Spider-People, but, when he finally caught _all_ of them, it destroyed him because all of the good inside of everyone else, was like poison to Wolf Spider and it destroyed him 😉 👍. Point is, a central theme in pretty much any hero story, when (to semi-quote ( _gags_ because he's a despicable character, and also creepy (not just in looks, but in his origins 😰😓)) Snoke from _Star Wars Episode VIII: The Last Jedi_ , when "darkness rises, light is there to meet it". (I know, it sounds corny 😅😓, but, I really enjoy the concept, because it pertains to both fiction _and_ in real life 😌.)

[@LATINOxxGHOSTxx]

Aizen: All part of the plan.

[@kom3toz3gold47]

I love that ODB tshirt!! yeah!!

[@DmDaPDm]

You have the free will to choose whatever you want to do right now, but you don't have the freedom to do anything without consequence. So with Wells example, you actually do have the free will to decided whether or not you want to rob a bank, but if you don't have the freedom to do it without going to jail etc. Now if you argue we don't have free will, then you're talking about everything being pre destined and future already being decided. Basically Evan was right.