LOKI IS THE NEW META IN YANNICA HYDRA TEAMS! DAMAGE LOOP! RAID SHADOW LEGENDS

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@gratty1631
@gratty1631 8 күн бұрын
I dont have emic, so i would love the shy'ak and painkeeper combo video!
@tinustrotyl7496
@tinustrotyl7496 8 күн бұрын
Same here!!
@Turtleshellon
@Turtleshellon 8 күн бұрын
Indeed
@xMK10
@xMK10 8 күн бұрын
Same
@theechromedome
@theechromedome 8 күн бұрын
Same x4
@jun3078
@jun3078 8 күн бұрын
Painkeeper just have to be twice as fast(faster safer) as Shy'ak for the loop
@notans1krr46
@notans1krr46 8 күн бұрын
Awesome video but honestly this is why I hate Hydra. I'm sure it gets easier after you do it a few times, and it would definitely take a few times to get it right but no way I'm spending like 2 or 3 hours every week on 1 run of Hydra. And of course that's only if it goes right the first time. Mess it up after 1 hour and wasted run and redo. No Thanks. Great video tho! Thanks!
@derekbaker4763
@derekbaker4763 7 күн бұрын
Yep. I'll just keep my super easy 1 key full auto runs.
@yeevita
@yeevita 3 күн бұрын
@@derekbaker4763 Same. I would love to see more auto hydra teams from the CC's.
@fn132788
@fn132788 8 күн бұрын
I tried the shy'ak, pain keeper, wixwell, yannika team before. But I never got anywhere with it. The mischief tank (shy'ak) would always get his buffs stolen, long before the shield is at a meaningful size. His RES is way above the needed specs for mischief tank on easy and hard hydra, but it still gets rather reliably stolen before I even reach 100 rounds. That is why I gave up on it.
@marvinchik5871
@marvinchik5871 7 күн бұрын
You can steal it back with loki though right?
@fn132788
@fn132788 7 күн бұрын
@@marvinchik5871 Shy'ak is preventing one of the team mates being eaten. This affects the upkeep of the buffs. Typically stuff derails catastrophically then. This strategy is just too dependent on RNG imo.
@Acclaim1H
@Acclaim1H 8 күн бұрын
[OBV] Maz, my man! He's our friendly-neighborhood hydraman.
@bronkoraidshadowlegends3768
@bronkoraidshadowlegends3768 7 күн бұрын
really cool dude
@MrManagemiracles
@MrManagemiracles 8 күн бұрын
3:47 - respect for you giving due credit to the several nameless big brains who play this game, they make this game amazing for all of us!
@bronkoraidshadowlegends3768
@bronkoraidshadowlegends3768 7 күн бұрын
yes big respect to them
@AceofSpades1337
@AceofSpades1337 8 күн бұрын
I got 8bil using Tatura, but it was a perfect scenario where everyone got shield stolen and one time yannica was able to cycle with unkillable on the heads and pop them twice
@Conso55
@Conso55 8 күн бұрын
100% respect the strategy but way too manual for me. I spend already enough time on Raid
@ev4sive953
@ev4sive953 3 күн бұрын
Can you show if this works with an Emic replacement? I run an auto-trunda team which uses my only Emic...
@Bosshog4541
@Bosshog4541 7 күн бұрын
Do you have a showcase with Loki out side of hydra
@Amvsy
@Amvsy 8 күн бұрын
Any replacements for Nia?
@danielweber2140
@danielweber2140 6 күн бұрын
I wanna know, too!
@darkvager1
@darkvager1 2 күн бұрын
The thing getting me is that they have top tier gear and getting all book up tall more about gear what to sell and to keep
@moneyninja3852
@moneyninja3852 7 күн бұрын
Amazing! Thank you! Quick Questions: 1) I have Duchess and Demytha and all of these champs. What is my best team? 2) I have Emic at 271 speed for iron twins. Can i use the same one? or Maybe slow him down and he will still work in Iron Twins? 3) What speed can I slow him down to and still work in Iron Twins and this (2 painkeepers, coldheart and Geo in Iron Twins)?
@psychoticsnake1979
@psychoticsnake1979 Күн бұрын
This is the same team I use in iron twins . 251 is the slowest emic can go as he needs to go before the twins
@aquarius8715
@aquarius8715 3 күн бұрын
will it work with emic with 271 speed? i have him speed tuned for some other stuff and i wonder if it would how much faster others from this team should be, also is there a cb team where i can use wixwell with this same speed (after tuning him for emic speed) for both cb and hydra?
@piotrbrzana5724
@piotrbrzana5724 4 күн бұрын
I have wixwel 5600 def, merciless and reflex set. Same order of character moves. But I can't get as much shield as you. I have shield set on two characters.
@jun3078
@jun3078 4 күн бұрын
@@piotrbrzana5724 try 85k hp on both shields and 3.3k defence on the rest
@ASaund-qb6wy
@ASaund-qb6wy 5 күн бұрын
The mischief head steals successfully every time, please help! what am I doing wrong?
@Slugworth88
@Slugworth88 6 күн бұрын
I have all these champs but the gear man, just gutting but awesome video truly. Something to aim for. Ild settle for the highest chest, lol I don't suppose yould do a video for a mid teir account. I have all the champs just for the minimal max chest stats needed. Or is it not doable at lower gear thresholds
@tomconinx6860
@tomconinx6860 5 күн бұрын
Would Krisk be an option? Instead of Sandlashed. And would it be able to auto if krisk has 500+ resist? So it wouldnt matter Who had the intercept?
@edgardstark4686
@edgardstark4686 5 күн бұрын
Hi friend, I love your videos. I also tried Loki in a pack with Shaik . But I noticed that even under the veil from Loki he still catches fear for two moves, is this how it should be or is it a mistake as always? You just need to watch the interception so that Shaik doesn't miss a move.
@bronkoraidshadowlegends3768
@bronkoraidshadowlegends3768 5 күн бұрын
yes watch intercept buff on him and replace it
@liammartin8851
@liammartin8851 5 күн бұрын
the painkeeper/shyek vid would be good for me as i lack a emic
@minitrippa
@minitrippa 4 күн бұрын
Is there a substitute for Wixwell ?
@Iran2day
@Iran2day 8 күн бұрын
Can you please build a team without Emic and Nia :)
@1keidan1
@1keidan1 8 күн бұрын
The raid community is geniuses! I think it will be better if you use Shaek, Painkeeper, Demita, Loki, Wixwell, Yanika :)
@IronLordFitness
@IronLordFitness Күн бұрын
Another Emic composition. Those like me who don't have him are always shafted XD
@Saltheart_Foamfollower
@Saltheart_Foamfollower 8 күн бұрын
I love the abuse of the Hydra mechanics. It's a dream comp!!!
@Bonecarpenter.
@Bonecarpenter. 7 күн бұрын
Instead of wixwell could you use 2 underpriest brogni as shield builders?
@MrNeonFireworks
@MrNeonFireworks 7 күн бұрын
I would also like to know this
@bronkoraidshadowlegends3768
@bronkoraidshadowlegends3768 7 күн бұрын
no
@Bonecarpenter.
@Bonecarpenter. 7 күн бұрын
@bronkoraidshadowlegends3768 thank you
@danielpounder8905
@danielpounder8905 8 күн бұрын
He may have left the a2 on Loki for most of the fight to stop increase attack from wrath been out there, when you want to look at blowing up your would manual and not use his a2 so block buffs falls off and wait for the steal and him to cleanse himself before exploding could be a possibility not sure how reliable he will be to a1 and keep it extended.
@bronkoraidshadowlegends3768
@bronkoraidshadowlegends3768 7 күн бұрын
yeah thats a good idea. i just wanted to be safe wenn 3% happens and emic get shield stolen i can maybe still blow up the heads cause shield big enough alreeady
@darthrambo2274
@darthrambo2274 8 күн бұрын
Demytha could work too I think instead of the Epic champ from Orks. I let my Emic in Protection-Set and try to put Yannica into Immunity-Set.
@zzzeyn
@zzzeyn 6 күн бұрын
No, Demytha will flood with continuous heals and there will be no room for intercepts.
@darthrambo2274
@darthrambo2274 6 күн бұрын
@@zzzeyn Ok, but I will only use A1 and A2, than it should work or not?
@zzzeyn
@zzzeyn 5 күн бұрын
@@darthrambo2274 Ah, I forgot that heals are on the other skill. You are right, it should work!
@AkintayoWadud
@AkintayoWadud 8 күн бұрын
Am waiting for him to make the video 😂 … I know that Loki is made for yannica
@Alfredojpw
@Alfredojpw 2 күн бұрын
is shield set necessary on loki?
@unsterblicheraaron3631
@unsterblicheraaron3631 Күн бұрын
why demythia instead of sand??? how is her combo?
@Wilma999-xl8ok
@Wilma999-xl8ok 5 күн бұрын
thanks for a very interesting video!
@clarocomoelagua1
@clarocomoelagua1 2 күн бұрын
Nerfed brogny, next nerf to wixwell... said by Plarium
@RawrasaurRS
@RawrasaurRS 6 күн бұрын
Hi Bronko, would a Shy’ek team be viable with Lady Ireth instead of Painkeeper? and if so, how would the speed for Ireth be to make it work?
@bronkoraidshadowlegends3768
@bronkoraidshadowlegends3768 6 күн бұрын
u will get 10 buffs on all champs. so u cant do it
@1923825
@1923825 8 күн бұрын
For all these non-trunda comps you have, what is the highest point you've ever got? Would be great to show a simple screenshot in some video.
@bronkoraidshadowlegends3768
@bronkoraidshadowlegends3768 7 күн бұрын
my best was 8 billion. 32 billion hydra clash points
@Apistia
@Apistia Күн бұрын
WeCweaWated the Waid community.
@Nanu4god
@Nanu4god 6 күн бұрын
Very complcated
@michaeldixon3841
@michaeldixon3841 2 күн бұрын
Thanks
@MisterPanget
@MisterPanget 6 күн бұрын
Replacement for wixwell?
@chrissmith6016
@chrissmith6016 8 күн бұрын
Obviously the only thing stopping this being full auto is the fact that intercept needs to be kept up on emic. Do we know how wixwell ai works and determines where he puts intercept? If so is there a way to force intercept to leader? Edit. Non torment cycles should be ok full auto after initial setup
@zzzeyn
@zzzeyn 7 күн бұрын
Wixwell on auto puts Intercept on a champ 1) without it 2) with intercept with duration of 1 turn
@chrissmith6016
@chrissmith6016 7 күн бұрын
@@zzzeyn so it’s random who he puts it on ? No way of controlling it via lead, hp, etc?
@bronkoraidshadowlegends3768
@bronkoraidshadowlegends3768 7 күн бұрын
u cant leave it on or else others get the buff and they will be mischief tank
@damionrarig4299
@damionrarig4299 7 күн бұрын
Are their any alternatives to Emic? He continues to be the only fusion skip that I regret. I knew I would, but the burnout was real at the time. Imagine skipping a void legendary right?
@bronkoraidshadowlegends3768
@bronkoraidshadowlegends3768 7 күн бұрын
painkeeper shyek combo. did videos
@pllapointe01
@pllapointe01 7 күн бұрын
Yannika team with shy'ek and painkeeper, WITHOUT emic please!
@zzzeyn
@zzzeyn 6 күн бұрын
And what about rotations with no Head of Mischief on start?
@Insidious1420
@Insidious1420 7 күн бұрын
Do you shut off the A3 on emic for hydra? Because I have emic but I can't really get him to work.
@bronkoraidshadowlegends3768
@bronkoraidshadowlegends3768 7 күн бұрын
cant really tell what u do there but a3 always on
@folon12
@folon12 8 күн бұрын
Thank you for shoving this vid!
@mattdavis5850
@mattdavis5850 8 күн бұрын
I have this team. guess i finally have to try a yanica team.
@darthrambo2274
@darthrambo2274 3 күн бұрын
Sometime I get the Fear from A1 why? Emic get it and run is over -
@evgenianovikova3596
@evgenianovikova3596 8 күн бұрын
I dont have Emic and Vikswell
@tristanm8838
@tristanm8838 8 күн бұрын
Will this work with one yumeko and one painkeeper
@chuckiesangels
@chuckiesangels 6 күн бұрын
i have this set up, lets go!!
@Gegota82
@Gegota82 7 күн бұрын
what is the reasion Yannica and wixwell are missing masteries? speed/stat balancing?
@bronkoraidshadowlegends3768
@bronkoraidshadowlegends3768 7 күн бұрын
i skip unimportant masteries
@michailkamilakis3895
@michailkamilakis3895 5 күн бұрын
Pls show us shien painkeepr kombo
@xmrjackakasurdo
@xmrjackakasurdo 6 күн бұрын
Hello, have someone tried emic + double lady ireth (after her buffs)
@dariosickboy9330
@dariosickboy9330 8 күн бұрын
Don't have emic.. Duedan is the same?
@edgardstark4686
@edgardstark4686 8 күн бұрын
no. Shaik is suitable or Gizmak
@dariosickboy9330
@dariosickboy9330 8 күн бұрын
@@edgardstark4686 tnks!
@airfernrsl
@airfernrsl 5 күн бұрын
can Duedan replace Emic?
@thiagobraga9118
@thiagobraga9118 7 күн бұрын
Nice Comp.
@ze-ro1421
@ze-ro1421 8 күн бұрын
Any replacement for emic? Can emic replace with khafru? Same 2 turn taunt with 4 turn cd
@bronkoraidshadowlegends3768
@bronkoraidshadowlegends3768 7 күн бұрын
sry but no
@gaizka7
@gaizka7 8 күн бұрын
Apperently dont have Nia, any replacement for her?
@sasademi10
@sasademi10 8 күн бұрын
x2
@Guuscass
@Guuscass 8 күн бұрын
@@sasademi10 x3
@xELxYAHUx
@xELxYAHUx 8 күн бұрын
Shyek painkeeper
@westonXkent
@westonXkent 7 күн бұрын
@@xELxYAHUx instead of which 2 champs tough?
@anormalytchannalthatgamest1878
@anormalytchannalthatgamest1878 7 күн бұрын
sooooo what does Loki do
@bronkoraidshadowlegends3768
@bronkoraidshadowlegends3768 7 күн бұрын
no
@anormalytchannalthatgamest1878
@anormalytchannalthatgamest1878 7 күн бұрын
@@bronkoraidshadowlegends3768 noted i wont qatch the 30 minute video on just Wizwell
@MalivaHunter
@MalivaHunter 7 күн бұрын
How will you deal with a rotation without mischief in starting heads ?
@bronkoraidshadowlegends3768
@bronkoraidshadowlegends3768 7 күн бұрын
by provoking the decay head and slowly kill a head and hope for good respawn
@MalivaHunter
@MalivaHunter 5 күн бұрын
@@bronkoraidshadowlegends3768I dont think you will kill anything in rotation 3. Decay is spirit and Wixwell weak hit. Blight and Suffering is also in starting lineup and makes it pretty much impossible, unless you build alot of dmg on your champs ?
@Apistia
@Apistia Күн бұрын
Weally weally
@x1441
@x1441 7 күн бұрын
Bro, i wrote to you here in the youtube comments basically the moment Lokis kit was announced that he could probably take dutchess/taturas place in a yannica team. Such a shame you rarely read the comments anymore:(
@bronkoraidshadowlegends3768
@bronkoraidshadowlegends3768 7 күн бұрын
i do read them ;) just sometimes so many things at once and something can slip my mind
@x1441
@x1441 7 күн бұрын
@@bronkoraidshadowlegends3768 yeah i get that, you are still the best content creator out here, keep it up:)
@defenderofearth7381
@defenderofearth7381 5 күн бұрын
bronko buddy i need hydra help can do me a take over you can do a video on it i got everyone in this video
@mocafrost
@mocafrost 8 күн бұрын
Is there a Nia substitute for any of these teams?
@xELxYAHUx
@xELxYAHUx 8 күн бұрын
Shyek and pain keepee
@DaelaAydoldiaman-je4mu
@DaelaAydoldiaman-je4mu 7 күн бұрын
Can we use brogni instead of wixwell?
@bronkoraidshadowlegends3768
@bronkoraidshadowlegends3768 7 күн бұрын
no
@ironwill4706
@ironwill4706 7 күн бұрын
I have yanica loki and sandless.. are the others able to be subbed??
@bronkoraidshadowlegends3768
@bronkoraidshadowlegends3768 7 күн бұрын
sry but no
@MarcSiqueira
@MarcSiqueira 8 күн бұрын
i have tried this as soon as i got loki but i was having a problem with the fear head as i didnt had any space in the team for the block debuffs buff so often the fear head would attack either emic or nia and throw the tune off, now it did not crossed my mind to have a imunity set in someone, that was a genius move!
@siromnomnom6510
@siromnomnom6510 8 күн бұрын
the fear from the fear head a1 cannot be blocked or resisted
@westonXkent
@westonXkent 7 күн бұрын
is White Dryad Nia replaceable, i have all but her?
@bronkoraidshadowlegends3768
@bronkoraidshadowlegends3768 7 күн бұрын
shyek and painkeeper can replace emic and nia
@gamemood8477
@gamemood8477 7 күн бұрын
All videos aroumd Emic ...so without can't make this team works
@bronkoraidshadowlegends3768
@bronkoraidshadowlegends3768 7 күн бұрын
did videos with shyek and painkeeper
@Knowpig
@Knowpig 8 күн бұрын
So, is it easier with Sandlash or Demytha ?
@xELxYAHUx
@xELxYAHUx 8 күн бұрын
Demytha
@kingdarkem
@kingdarkem 8 күн бұрын
I wonder if loki, yannica, greenwarden, nia and rimehide would work 😂
@bronkoraidshadowlegends3768
@bronkoraidshadowlegends3768 7 күн бұрын
first thought is. i dont think so
@kingdarkem
@kingdarkem 7 күн бұрын
@@bronkoraidshadowlegends3768 lol that be bonkers if it did work...i wish the test server was a bit more open cause id love to test that combo to see if it could be a broken team
@SurviveWasTaken
@SurviveWasTaken 7 күн бұрын
Can Ambassador Lethelin replace Emic?
@bronkoraidshadowlegends3768
@bronkoraidshadowlegends3768 7 күн бұрын
no
@junjunsuk6549
@junjunsuk6549 8 күн бұрын
Does anyone have a clue who are the other champions we can use instead of emic in this team ?
@xELxYAHUx
@xELxYAHUx 8 күн бұрын
Shyek and pain keepee
@junjunsuk6549
@junjunsuk6549 7 күн бұрын
@@xELxYAHUx thanks :)
@johnnierichardson3289
@johnnierichardson3289 8 күн бұрын
Nia has a 2 turn cool down and a slow so I am assuming we cannot replace her with Lady of Ireth? I have both but am looking for what to do with Lady of Ireth. And who is a better champ to use than Sandlashed? I don't like her. 😂
@alekskislyakov
@alekskislyakov 8 күн бұрын
Это видео про виксвела
@chaddca
@chaddca 8 күн бұрын
How are you not getting fears from the fear head????? What am I missing?
@donsestito7679
@donsestito7679 8 күн бұрын
They are under veil
@chaddca
@chaddca 8 күн бұрын
@@donsestito7679 Are they under veil 100% of the time in this comp? My Yannica Wixwell with Tatura gets feared when the fear head is out.
@chrissmith6016
@chrissmith6016 8 күн бұрын
There is no way of stopping fear from torment hits ,even under veil as it cannot be blocked or resisted. The only option is to manually place intercept stacks from wixwell a3 on the champs getting targeted
@jongaskell3438
@jongaskell3438 7 күн бұрын
why sandlashed? Bambus has this skill with 2% shield growth seems better? Corvis has this skill with 25% damage debuff on poison so the shield should grow faster? Mikage brings 2 more buffs and has this extension on a 3 turn? Oella has increase resists and extension on a 3 turn?
@bronkoraidshadowlegends3768
@bronkoraidshadowlegends3768 7 күн бұрын
bambus is 4 turn cd and basicly every 3turn cooldown champ can do that role if they dont bring buffs
@luissoto685
@luissoto685 8 күн бұрын
Where do you get merciless accessories?
@jacker474
@jacker474 8 күн бұрын
Cursed City
@erikmartens1698
@erikmartens1698 8 күн бұрын
in cursed ciry hard there is one accessory boss battle in the second territories and in the third(soulcross) there is two accessorie boss battles and you can get accessories from amius in normal and hard
@andylandman4414
@andylandman4414 7 күн бұрын
Does this only work on nm?
@bronkoraidshadowlegends3768
@bronkoraidshadowlegends3768 7 күн бұрын
all stages
@jun3078
@jun3078 5 күн бұрын
Yannica is better on slower speeds
@JeebusJones
@JeebusJones 8 күн бұрын
Does Emic need to be that slow?
@bronkoraidshadowlegends3768
@bronkoraidshadowlegends3768 7 күн бұрын
yes
@JeebusJones
@JeebusJones 7 күн бұрын
@@bronkoraidshadowlegends3768 thank you, I use Emic in iron twins at 286 speed.
@danielstark6170
@danielstark6170 8 күн бұрын
nice brain
@SylvioRodrigues92
@SylvioRodrigues92 8 күн бұрын
need to be this exactly speed?
@bronkoraidshadowlegends3768
@bronkoraidshadowlegends3768 7 күн бұрын
not really. same team order and about 20 speed wiggle room
@Abolition-ky5sd
@Abolition-ky5sd 6 күн бұрын
I understood nothing
@steveo5174
@steveo5174 8 сағат бұрын
Yannica will get nerfed.
@VikingsNeverDie
@VikingsNeverDie 6 күн бұрын
Please do a video with Shy'ak and Painkeeper!
@_r.d.k
@_r.d.k 6 күн бұрын
Want to make an irrelevant champ great again?
@B0bLeeSw4gger
@B0bLeeSw4gger 8 күн бұрын
#1
@Jirensamaa
@Jirensamaa 8 күн бұрын
Can we swap Wixwell with someone else please ?
@b4lotus
@b4lotus 8 күн бұрын
No
@josephdouglas6482
@josephdouglas6482 8 күн бұрын
Brogni maybe but probably not. The whole reason Yannica is there is because of the shield busting, you need a shield grower and Bambus and Brogni don't do anywhere near what Wixwell does in this role.
@DaPredz
@DaPredz 8 күн бұрын
The whole point of wixwell is the shield growth mechanic. I also skipped him and have been kicking myself ever aince that fusion ended. I will not miss a community champ again. So no. No replacement. Brogni is the closest. Maybe the dark elf krakarth. Just hope for a wixwell summon pool or hope you pull him. Thats the boat im in.
@josephdouglas6482
@josephdouglas6482 8 күн бұрын
Actually I don't even think Bambus or Brogni would work because you need Intercept on Emic to prevent his buffs from getting ripped until you want to explode the shield, Wixwell is providing the Intercept buff.
@jaymillze7632
@jaymillze7632 8 күн бұрын
@@josephdouglas6482they wouldn’t. I’ve tried so many combinations. Two emics, Emic and Brogni, 2 brognis..just can’t build the shield like wix to get that big shield explosion. Even tried with Freyja since she can throw up a massive shield. You NEED Wixwell for this
@ramchDash
@ramchDash 4 күн бұрын
One more yt show off video
@davidunion
@davidunion 8 күн бұрын
Looking for one of these that can run full auto, can this run full auto? One thing that would help 'us' is to see how few books and how few masteries and how few special sets of gear the same can be run with - even a decent high speed (and these are high speed for normal players) set of reflex is very hard to come by if F2P. For me, I have some decent enough gear, and I have all the champs for this one. However, it will be a long time for books and masteries on a new champ. I think many players don't ever have any spare lego books just hanging around. Masteries are long and expensive to farm and we have to do that with energy between other events like fusions which tend to suck up all available resources :) LMK about full auto! Thanks. Great ideas for Hydra, please keep them coming! I was thinking there might be no use for Loki and you found one!
@Thorks23
@Thorks23 8 күн бұрын
kinda doubt it about full auto, I've heard Loki's Ai is wonky on full auto cause of that skill that can target enemies or allies
@Ugly_Tsarevich
@Ugly_Tsarevich 8 күн бұрын
Very good info. But you kinda talk to much to say so little.
@Saltheart_Foamfollower
@Saltheart_Foamfollower 8 күн бұрын
I disagree. For me to understand how this comp works, I needed his commentary. He was teaching how to think it through rather than just what to click.
@Ugly_Tsarevich
@Ugly_Tsarevich 8 күн бұрын
@@Saltheart_Foamfollower yea the comments are needed. What im saying is that it could be sumamrized and more concise.
@TheRyanandKimberly
@TheRyanandKimberly 7 күн бұрын
Why don't you make a video?
@Ugly_Tsarevich
@Ugly_Tsarevich 5 күн бұрын
@@TheRyanandKimberly why don’t you make an account just for yourself?
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