London Plus - The Gothics Tx 12th June 1987

The Marionettes, Dave Vanian and others talking about the Gothic Scene in 1987
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[@joshuabg12]

we weren't there to shock, we were there to entertain ourselves... I had a blast!!! ('Goth' from 83-90)

[@filipematias5127]

jo bo : Exactly right Milady! We didn't even considered ourselves "goths" in the sense that nowadays people give to the term! We were simply dark and different post-punk "avant-gard" teenagers establishing our identity and listening to underground music!

[@Jakegothicsnake]

God, I really wish more people dressed like this and were gothic rock enthusiasts in my neck of the woods...I live in the Coachella Valley and it's basically the heart of Gangsta and Emo/Scene in all of southern California!

[@_nicole_benavides_]

Dave Vanian

[@kamukuraizuru4946]

I'm so glad I'm a part of the subculture! Its really nice to continue the gothic wave from 80s

[@phoenixone2194]

That'll be me at 4.32! You're very welcome!

[@n3on_w1tch]

Cool hair! (I had to)

[@cristinavenegas8014]

Phoenix On

[@belalugosiresurrected5744]

I'm fascinated by your dance moves what is the name of the dance?? Does it have to do with webs??

[@PhoenixOne]

@@belalugosiresurrected5744 I was very drunk In fact when our truck arrived at the studio, and they opened the back, a huge cloud of dope billowed out Nothing special about the moves, it was just how I danced!

[@gothicjokercro]

this is a very good reference, i keep coming back to it. thank you allfear.

[@MrKarpote]

strange the reporter talks about gothics as somethin' new in 1987!!! They've been around, i guess, since 1979, when Bauhaus released Bela Logusi's dead. Isn't that so?

[@Socialpsychotics]

It's just something about the old gothic look, it's just awesome.

[@kelleybunny]

thanx for sharing this!

[@MrSornoshadow]

David it a great guy!

[@JonathanBruner182]

I like it when people tell it like it is straight up. Kudos

[@Nixida]

this is such a trip, i love it. tooo funny

[@Socialpsychotics]

I will still listen to the new stuff along with the old stuff, like I do now, I just want to go with the old school look a little more, mix it up a little.

[@Project_Carthage]

for people who want to know that band is playing is Screaming Marionettes : Screaming Master

[@Edthestrange]

"WELCOME... TO THE HOUSE... OF SHADOWS." And to think, this was the time of Bauhaus and Sisters of Mercy. :P

[@Jakegothicsnake]

Love the Trad Goth style baby! WHOO!

[@Jakegothicsnake]

That dude on that right at 4:15 to 4:20 looks alot like both Robert SMith and SImon Gallup of The Cure!:)

[@Socialpsychotics]

I think for the most part the true side of it as died out a lot, but like you said it's still alive but I think more hidden.

[@Artoforb]

We were Punks back then in the seventies/eighties Not Goths....Goth became a label used to put us all in one group..We were creators of our own style but many of us did not like the posers or people who were up themselves,those who loved themselves....many of us were just normal people who did not over act or try to play something we were not....I worked with "bauhaus" back in the early 80's.people tend to make something more than it is....Bela was written by David Haskins...he said in an interview that it was written during a time when they were showing many horror films on the Tv....One such Vampire film starred Bela Lugosi....So David wrote the lyrics about That actor mixed with his character....What followed were people who then dressed In black...An funeral dress,death and the grave,skeletons,skulls were all part of old black and white films...Bela was much more of a theatrical piece because Peter would act on stage using a flight case on wheels with a light inside And he had the image to act on stage....If you asked David it wasn't really serious....Yet those who followed made it serious....People do not seem to get it....because someone acts on stage does not then make them Evil in real life.....I think people miss the whole point of what music,art,performance is all about....People have so many illusions as to who the members of bauhaus actually are...Or what they are into....In my band "kamasutra" We did a song about "rosemary's baby" the film but none of us were satanists or into black magic....I was into Early Adam and the Antz....Before they went commercial...In the late seventies Kensington,the kings road was booming with new fashion which sprouted out of the early punk scene...But If you look at the rocky Horror show....it also created the image which then lead to Punk Then Goth....In the sixties people also expressed some quite good fashion ideas.....But if you want to go back to the real originators then go back to gene Vincent.....I was called a freak,a weirdo in the late seventies and early eighties But i was never called A Goth....We Never used the word then....it was something which came out of the post punk era when people were trying to express new experimental music...The hair was short spikes which later became longer hair styles....It was more about individual style and creating your own dress and fashion yourself....Everyone looked different no one looked the same...I can remember buying two pairs of winkle pickers,pointed suede boots from shelly's show shop...One red pair,one black...And i wore one red and one black on either foot...No one had done that before...I also had a pari of trousers which was one leg black and one leg white and i bought them from a women shop because there were no such trousers in any mens shop....But as you get older you become less interested in fashion...it was all a lot to do with ego then...to the extent that people loved them selves so much that the i...would try to dominate everything...The i of the illusion of the demonic ego of self.....When David Bowie did it,it was new..he created a style,a look and it was fresh,new.....what followed were just copies...if you take Bowie Iggy pop,Lou reed,roy music,Mark Bolan...You then have the beginnings of punk and then eventually all that follows...Nothing is new any more...And nothing shocks us...youngsters who wish to dress like that now good luck to them...but when you get to my age 53...what you used to wear does not work so you dress in style according to your age but you don't have to look like what is termed a chav....lol....You can't judge a book by it's cover....In the darkness there is light....I had my day then and i was lucky to be there to see some of the best bands i have ever seen live....No one comes close to bauhaus as a live act and i've seen some pretty good bands....Peter Murphy like Bowie created theatrics with the music and the image and that is what made them so great...But when you get people who think they are actually vampires...Come on,Are you nuts?......There is no such thing as a vampire...For a start it originates from The dragon knight Vlad the impaler...which inspired Bram stoker to writer Dracula...drac..Draco is the constellation of the dragon...which is all associated with the reptilians who drink blood...it has satanic roots in the worship of the Annunaki and babylon....The roots of vampirism have roots in ancient pagan rituals and beliefs....The upside down inverted crucifix was originally the symbol for peter who was crucified upside down by Nero which then became known as the Nero cross....Nero was a pagan and anti-christian...The bloodline of the caesars originated from much earlier bloodlines who were of the serpent bloodline or reptilian blood line...The word gothic architecture existed long before it was used to describe an image....Gothic cathedrals..what is quite hilarious is the fact that many so called Goths now despise christ yet their name stems from buildings erected in honour of the King of heaven....Any one who thinks they are a vampire is like someone thinking they are napoleon,jesus or god.....vampirism has its roots also in ancient rites associated with the Reptilians also with cannibalism of primitive tribes...I'm so glad i'm a vegetarian...lol....

[@MatthewNorthArchive]

This video is from 1987.....

[@Artoforb]

It doesn't matter when this video is supposed to be..(yes I can read it says 1987).The fact is i do not like labels such as The word "Goth"...i'm stating a fact that we were all labelled according to a style Or fashion....The word "Goth" and the word "Punk"...Don't mean anything to me...Iggy pop was doing what The sex pistols were doing in the sixties but it wasn't called 'Punk" then...As soon as a new music or fashion came out it was then labelled...You could say that Edgar allan poe was a Goth or Mary shelley...The point i'm making is that the word "Goth" was an invention which was very much associated with death,grave yards and Gothic buildings....Johnny cash wore black but he wasn't labelled a Goth was he?.....In 1980 i was a roadie with 'bauhaus"....But then there was no such label "Goth"....Each generation has it's own labels...."Emo" what the fatang is that?....I thought Emo was from sesame street...LOl...David The bass player said it was all done for fun and for a laugh but then people took it to serious as their ego's grew bigger and bigger...

[@vonweirdoexe]

sweet......like me.........

[@FutileGrief]

riiiiight

[@Jakegothicsnake]

That Sean Cronin guy's style looks cool! I think my brother would good with his hair grown long and with those receded hair sides instead of his usual skinhead look......

[@MrSornoshadow]

Not Fading Away!!!

[@superstaticgirl]

No wonder we got laughed at... *blushes*

[@Socialpsychotics]

Truly I agree. Personally I hate being mistaken for a stupid metal head or emo, people come up to me talking about band I don't have a clue about.. I still listen to the old school goth/punk, so I have decided to go with the old school goth look from now on, I use to dress in the new stuff but screw that, I'm going old school.

[@albatross1977]

"kids these days, dont know their born(literally) the media has soiled their minds " I wouldn't necessarily call these people "kids these days".

[@visnyliss]

Completely missed the point and became exactly one of the people i was talking about.

[@vladdt]

classic...

[@lordmjh]

siouxsie sioux started this as in iouxsie and the banshees

[@Jakegothicsnake]

@darksyfe Appreciated greatly. :)

[@icriedathousandtimes1888]

People who go around labeling everything aren't very fun and I don't want to dance with them !

[@AlexMalkavian]

Well don't to check out some new Goth stuff as well. Goth didn't change in Metal or Cyber after the 80s but it didn't dissapear either. I don't know if your familiar with bands like Cinema Strange, Eat Your Make-Up, Frank The Baptist, Scary Bitches, Bloody Dead & Sexy,...

[@julieandgary]

yes the phone was ringing i remember that lol

[@Materva-hv6sz]

By the time gothic was a word the best of it was over. The golden age started with Joy Division's Unknown Pleasures and the Bela Lugosi by Bauhaus in 79' and lasted through The Cure's Pornography tour in 82'. It still seemed to have some charm here, albeit too self conscious, by the time it merged with EBM and industrial and became dominated by synths it disappeared

[@krasteff]

+Materva 1974 You probably refer to the press of the late 90's, when they started citing JD and Cure as originators of Gothic. I think the best period was 1982 - 1984 with Southern Death Cult (once called "severely gothic" in I think Melody maker circa 1986 in an article on Chatshow), Skeletal Family, Sisters of Mercy and Danse Society.

[@MysteriousAsteria]

JD were already described by their producer Martin Hannett as music with "gothic overtones" in frigging 1979. Not much later in te early 80s were they linked to it again with the Banshees. What's up anyway with people trying to dismiss JD's huge influence on the genre? Is the denial there to make it easier for Ian Curtis worshipping Hipsters to not feel ashamed to admit they may listen to "gawf" music?

[@koreanstyler]

@CarpeNoctemZise I have the same feeling. I like gothic for it's beauty ... and for some thoughtful part. But I like the intellectual parts, not the rebel parts.

[@arthurbrownmusic]

No Sean is now an Actor, has even been in a Bond film!

[@jeremiaswetterich4180]

I'm Looking for the official video clip of the band Screaming screaming master-marionettes. Does anyone have the link to the official video?

[@Sucral0se]

Ahhh, that lisping goth is hilarious.

[@kwz3]

oh I see, that's very useful information for this thesis I am making about different ocial grooups, thank you very much. I only have one more question left... what about Gotham City?

[@gothicjokercro]

whats with the black metal being cut off?

[@xXAlonIntheDarkXx]

@Jakegothicsnake Hajajaja I know exactly what you mean. Im in SoCal area too, I see that too.

[@Lobotomyu]

Why do they utilise the adjective "Gothic" for a noun "Goth"?

[@gothicjokercro]

i wish it was too...lol

[@ThornUvDaath777]

@killforfiend I jsus do what comes natural, and since Gothic rock is one, if not my favorite musical genre, and the things I like can most easily fit under the embrella term of "goth", I identify as such when it suits me. Don't get me wrong, I go to clubs once ina while and the scene can be pretty fun, but I'm not some kind of "goth father", lol.

[@rickdeckard1075]

Azrael Abyss!!!!!!

[@MissTiffee]

Now I may sound DAFT but WOT happened to Laurie Vanian... just curious there...

[@Jakegothicsnake]

@ThornUvDaath777 I will be honest, it would make me very happy to see people no longer dressing in tight jeans, hoodies with horizontal stripes with black and either a neon or a dull color, tigh v neck shirts, fedoras, and beanies over moptop sideswiped hair.......To me, that is not the image of a rocker.

[@MissTiffee]

So I am assuming she and Dave didn't work out.. I find it interesting that she and Patricia Morrison look quite alot alike... hmmmm another american gal..

[@oconstanti]

@MithrasAtDusk exactly

[@AgentHomer]

@twilightsol it's hard to find ANY bands that do not use the devil merely as a metaphor. Mainly because actually believing in the devil is quite silly.

[@MissTiffee]

I used to be into the whole goth/darkwave/deathrock thing but man this reminds me of Goth Talk ... that one guy talks with a lisp and the vampire queen is just too fuckin funny.. this I'm sorry to say is hilarious LOL...

[@Jakegothicsnake]

My area of where I live REALLY needs a gothic rock group, even a fledgling one! I'm tired of gangster-rappers, R&B fans, pop fans, emos, scenesters, skaters, and hipsters!>_

[@lilliandrade3959]

Hello guys, anyone here that knows in which years the Alien Sex Fiend played at the Batcave? Also, if there are any musicians that started before or during 1993 I would like to know how you felt when all of this emergent bands came off like Terminal Choice or Hanzel und Gretyl, please. Thus i'm writing a book about the gothic era in the 90's (Sheffield and London, specifically), with my husband and it would be great if we could know a bit more hence we're goths from a pretty short time until now but we like it so much we decided to write this and we want to have good and truthful information and not mess it up. Thank you in advance.

[@MatthewNorthArchive]

Well I was there in the goth scene between 1992 and now, but mostly active 92 - 98, played in Sheffield and London several times. I have never heard of Terminal Choice or Hanzel und Gretyl the bands that were doing the rounds in the 90s from the UK were the likes of Rosetta Stone, The Marionetts, Nosferatu, Inkubus Sukkubus, All Living Fear (my band), The Horatii, Manuskript, Vendemmian, Die Laughing, Suspiria, Killing Miranda, James ray, the Dream Disciples to name a few..

[@MysteriousAsteria]

Know I am late, but Terminal Choice and Hanzel und Gretyl are fairly new and not from the 90s, the latter isn't even remotely goth. They are more Electro. In the late 90s a lot of EBM, Inudstrial and Techno started to replace classic Goth and Darkwave, and most of the elders didn't like it, as far as I can tell…

[@kwz3]

how so? Please explain.

[@PhoenixOne]

OH FUCK! I forgot i did this! I was very drunk!

[@NATIONALCOMMUNISM666]

@disgorge1234 No it's not... Though goth is A Germanic tribe an gothic is A style of Midevil cathedral an Victorian Architecture both goth an gothic is the same sub culture an it refers to the germanic tribe an the kind of Architecture... When Talking About Sub Cultures goth is this short for gothic.

[@ThornUvDaath777]

@Jakegothicsnake Seems like I read somewhere that what people now call emo acutally started out as some kind of sub-genre of easy listening back in the eighties. Why don;t I research it more? Becasue its just not that interesting-lol.

[@albatross1977]

I understand your point alex but the truth is, gothic postpunks don't own the label goth or gothic, its been around far longer than the "pure pristine" genre you're talking about. Anything that is dark can technically be called gothic. The problem is that "true" goths need to come up with a more objective label for themselves than "true" or "real" if they want to distinguish themselves from emo's, metalheads, and trip hoppers.

[@EmoDeathStar121]

Black Metal is Mostley band in the uk on Tv and Raido that is its to controversial lol Metal 4 Life i wish RnB was Baned

[@AlexMalkavian]

This isn't true. The subcultures Goth supposedly branched out in actually have little to do with Goth.The musical genres that get wrongly associated with the Goth subculture are in no way descended from it. Industrial for instance precedes Goth by at least 10 years. Nobody has any right whatsoever to change what Goth means if the original subculture is still alive and well. We have plenty of new bands and plenty of young Goths who are into them. If your not one of them is your problem.

[@julieandgary]

@julieanddavid it was me who rang

[@ThornUvDaath777]

@killforfiend thast kinda what happened to me.

[@EndorphinsNYC]

haha, that's funny. 1. " The gothics" WTF? 2. Strange gathering of freaky over dramatic actors? 3. Strange floppy guy dancing music? 4. Goths hate fitting with mainstream mainstream? If only these reporters could see us now around 30 years later...Is this a real news report or a mocumentary?

[@themiller3940]

It isnt a cult reeeee

[@AlexMalkavian]

No I didn't miss the point. You' re calling people who are aware of the true definition of Goth closeminded cause they don't throw every dark themed subculture on the Goth pile. While your average Metalhead or Cyber doesn't even want to be associated with Goth. Why can't you respect the individuality and independence of musical subcultures? Does everything have to be the same? Should we call donkey's rabbits from now. They also have long ears, not doing this would discrimination wouldn't it?

[@rudypeni]

sorry jacob you lost me at "as a goth blah blah blah" you must be young. although media as always exploited any youth cult that comes around. Does anyone remember the term Deathrocker or was that more of a So. Cal thing during the early 80's in LA, I always liked that term a little more because goth seemed to femmy for me as a kid and the music and bands I was in.

[@Jakegothicsnake]

I hate it when people confuss Goth/Gothic with Emo or Heavy Metal. Heavy Metal is alright, but Emo music is just a dipressing ear sore in my opinion..........

[@childofthenight322]

This is real goth not metal head's.

[@Jakegothicsnake]

My friend, you really need to brush up HEAVILY on your goth research.....

[@lostinnevermore5354]

Cringe....

[@killforfiend]

@DocktorHelena311 sadly true, growing seeing what you described (known as mallgoth's) almost made me derived into their wrong means, but once i discovered real goth I thought to myself this is the sound I've been waiting for my whole life, as if i already knew (I'm serious) as long as history is preserved this sub-culture will not die for a very long time, possibly centuries, life is all about moving forward but history repeats itself, and history will be remembered not by all but some :)

[@killforfiend]

@ThornUvDaath777 yay! nobody is alone, i noticed something, either mallgoths grow out of if or they grow into it. I've seen mallgoth's turn either preppy, hipster, metalhead, ghetto, and few like you and I either turn goth, punk, cybergoth, rivethead, etc. my friend jessie used to like alternative rock, metal, pop-punk, and black metal and now he is a cyber-raver, I havn't seen other people evolve into goth tho, I would consider myself goth, punk, rivethead, new waver, beatnik :)

[@Drackota]

the marionettes suck they were a terrible band but the damned now there you have an excellent band and i hate that dudes lisp

[@Socialpsychotics]

Your fucking right.

[@CoverButton]

The Wilfred guy and his witchy girlfriend used to do the cloakroom in the Electric Ballroom on Friday nights and if im not mistaken she used to read Tarot in the market (long gone now) near Victoria station. She frightened the fuck me ! He looked like an oldy worldy undertaker and she just looked like garde A Witch :)

[@visnyliss]

Another huge problem I see with the goth scene of today is all this horrid elitism. To those people who are so discriminate as to what is and isn't goth, get this: Goth has grown! Its branched out into many, many subcultures, and it still growing. Some believe that its merged with the Industrial/Rivethead culture as well, even though the two had quite separate starts. I say, as long as you have a penchant for the weird and slightly (or very) creepy, welcome.

[@deamondoll]

The beginning was so hokey pokey I loved it! If you know what the old scene was like youd understand and laugh and know. If not youll be lost in the shadows. haha

[@ThornUvDaath777]

@ChicagoMixes No, no, its "Accchhhhh!" :)

[@Sorefame83]

@MithrasAtDusk I agree... nothing to learn about it

[@BatShakerJami]

AAAHAHA, I love it when goths lisp like that.

[@ridinhood666]

@FreakshowVampire wiv u on that!