If the police do not bring a wide ranging prosecution against the Post Office and Fujitsu (with Vennells at the forefront), will the last sane person in Britain - please turn the lights off?
@duncbee6 ай бұрын
How about bringing charges against all of the previous CEO's Venells wasn't in charge when most of the prosecutions were made she merely continued the stablished line.
@offlimits46356 ай бұрын
@@duncbee she was in charge for a lot of them and aided the cover up
@anonnemo25046 ай бұрын
I agree. There is now enough prima facie evidence of wrongdoing against many people for police investigations to begin. Fujitsu started working with ICL in the eighties and later acquired the company and continued to employ former ICL software engineers. Working for client companies, my professional experience of ICL software is that rarely was it commercially released without a host of "undocumented features", many of them serious in nature. Many, many other people involved in the installation of ICL software at the time would say the same. Royal Mail / Post Office cannot have been unaware of ICL's track record when the contract was placed and there would seem to have been a glaring lack of due diligence leading up to it with, of course, tragic consequences.
@tomtucker836 ай бұрын
@@anonnemo2504 A lot of the comments have blamed the Tories for the Post office shambles. It was actually Labour under Tony Benn that pushed ICL/Fujitsu onto the Post Office.
@debbieatkinson60726 ай бұрын
Can matters not be speeded up with investigations starting? This will go on forever and the culprits may never be brought to justice. Surely there is more than enough evidence
@jeffreyloftus36176 ай бұрын
Earlier on today Tait's holier than thou colleague Richard Christou twice took exception when it was put to him that Fujitsu "tampered" with the case , yet Mr Stein produced an E-mail that showed Fujitsu actually suggested to the post office that "tampering in the case" would save face and sell the sub post office managers down the river . Yesterday was a breath of fresh air at the inquiry where the two Second Sight investigators played a straight bat and told the truth , they never dodged a single question , they never uttered " i don't recall / to the best of my knowledge / i never saw the E-mail / no one told me / i am not technically minded / i never open attachments etc , etc, etc.
@Lynnefromlyn6 ай бұрын
Yes he was a horrible self opinionated old man who constantly interrupted and went on and on with stuff he hadn’t been asked about. So condescending. Tampered is exactly the right word.
@lindahaynes34756 ай бұрын
Yes it was so refreshing to hear real Truth , and easy to hear , not stressful at all.
@MichaelPresley-j4t6 ай бұрын
JAIL TIME!!!!!!!!
@Pat149226 ай бұрын
the 2 , 2nd sight guys were superheroes ( without capes) I was proud of my profession ( Accountants)
@Lynnefromlyn6 ай бұрын
@@Pat14922 and rightly so. They gave really brilliant testimony. And they did excellent work.
@smorrisby6 ай бұрын
Another outstanding liar. I thought one of the qualifications to join the PO was that you are an accomplished liar. Well blow me down if Fujitsu do not demand the same qualifications.
@johnmurray55736 ай бұрын
As large corporations go are they the outliers or the norm?
@lindahaynes34756 ай бұрын
Unbearable to watch.......say no more.
@X94Caz6 ай бұрын
Horizon was installed in 1999 Nov. By Jan 2000 I was asking it to be removed. Request refused, June 2000 the strormtroopers arrived, Capture said I was £2.85 short, Horizon said £3000.
@andrewbryan3596 ай бұрын
He must be the most complacent CEO in history. Plus a man with no curiosity whatsoever!!
@andrewbryan3596 ай бұрын
And he gets paid millions a year! I wouldn't have employed him as a clerk!
@SL899996 ай бұрын
This is pretty standard to be fair
@karlineschrubberstiel6 ай бұрын
Just what I said about Paula Vennells.
@CatholicSatan6 ай бұрын
_All_ of the executives and upper management at POL and Fujitsu seemed to have _no_ curiosity about anything (well, except about the level of their bonuses maybe...).
@SL899996 ай бұрын
@@CatholicSatan That’s not how our system works. If you are a small business trading fraudulently you are more likely to be fined or jailed than a large business. No UK directors were prosecuted for the 2008 financial crash. Jes Stanley of Barclays was fined and banned for his later fraudulent conduct. Executives of other household names including HSBC, Tesco, SportsDirect have all escaped penalty. This is just how our system works.
@Sj4-h8l6 ай бұрын
Wretched performance by this inept character. Did he answer one question : don’t recall.
@daydays126 ай бұрын
virtually none of these PO and Fujitsu 'managers' would I ever employ...
@deeestuary6 ай бұрын
"I have no idea" is a ridiculous answer. If he genuinely didn't know he should say how appalled he is that his staff kept this hidden from him and made a heartfelt apology as, as their boss, he should damn well have known and done something about it at the time. The alternative is that he DID know and is lying, which seems more likely.
@SL899996 ай бұрын
Japanese companies may struggle to accept liability or show remorse or flag errors due to cultural reasons and to avoid having to interact with regulators they grew up and went to school with. And generally non-Japanese executives have to follow the same approach to keep their jobs and to keep Japan happy. The UK Govt officials that send contracts to Japanese companies know this and are aware of the risks this presents to material supply contacts paid for by the taxpayer. These risks can be mitigated through effective procurement and oversight practices, like those the FCA requires of the firms it regulates.
@joemander75806 ай бұрын
This enquiry has been one very high paid person after another saying they didn't know. Unbelievable.
@SL899996 ай бұрын
@@joemander7580 Being questioned by a highly paid person. These investigations are a waste of taxpayer money.
@ukdave576 ай бұрын
Beautiful check mate by Mr Stein. Just loved the way he finished by switching off the mike making it obvious he was done without saying another word.
@paulbrightwell36216 ай бұрын
Time and again we see these highly paid directors and executives showing how utterly incompetent they are at leading big organizations.
@marybusch61826 ай бұрын
Of the big 8 banks who promoted the great recession in 2008. Every one of them fired or demoted their RISK MANAGERS. ALL 8.
@MrDiddyDee6 ай бұрын
Exactly like all the disgusting cronies in the Tory government, shady, incompetent, unrepentant, arrogant and with no concerns about any accountability.
@kquat78996 ай бұрын
Another over-promoted bonehead, this time at Fushitsu.
@ianmclachlan74766 ай бұрын
He had sensed which way this is headed and has covered his backside without commitment.
@MrTbirkett6 ай бұрын
Fushitsu! Amazing! 😂
@MrTbirkett6 ай бұрын
CONsultancies. The clue is in the name.
@littlepippin84456 ай бұрын
We have a little Shi Tzu. At least she knows when she messed up.
@hugolindum77286 ай бұрын
He’s playing at being a bone head because he prefers that to conspiracy to get innocent people bankrupted and locked up.
@youtuberuk96956 ай бұрын
Memo from Paula Vennels to everyone involved in this Post Office scandal:...... Just say you don't remember......
@RGP_Maths6 ай бұрын
I don't suppose she recalls sending that memo.
@youtuberuk96956 ай бұрын
@@RGP_Maths I'm not sure... I dont remember...
@fusionfan68836 ай бұрын
These liars are happy to take the big bucks but clearly have no conception of where the buck stops, shameful!
@russellingham20696 ай бұрын
Boycott Fujshitsu !in every way.
@lindahaynes34756 ай бұрын
And the Post Office , no more cards , need to be Ecards .
@philhart48496 ай бұрын
I am now boycotting Poo-Jitsu.
@PJ-wm9nq6 ай бұрын
Lots of contributions have been hard to watch. This one was horrendous. Thinks he's teflon, yet he got unpeeled like an onion.
@daydays126 ай бұрын
he was completely demolished...he started out arrogant..ended up a jello. the barristers did a good job
@lindahaynes34756 ай бұрын
@@daydays12 I hate the clasped hands moving around , all scripted , their like sheep being told how to be behave , disgusting .
@daydays126 ай бұрын
@@lindahaynes3475 Agreed 😞
@damianleah67446 ай бұрын
I have no idea either but I’m not paid half a million a year!
@javiermitchell70736 ай бұрын
so basically the same defense: " I knew nothing", "I was simply not informed", ie: blaming others
@patriotunion72116 ай бұрын
As ever, they get all the benefits of being in charge but take NO responsibility!
@EazaVega6 ай бұрын
If they don't all go to prison there's something fundamentally wrong with the UK justice system.
@Mikeandlucy16 ай бұрын
Oh come now, surely you don't think that all theses lying sacks of Sh...... will not get their just deserts. Truth is in the corporate world they are all heros, lying when they can get away with it, forgetting facts when they cant. Just the qualifications needed to be snapped up by the next multinational looking for a senior executive that will protect the company no matter what when the next scandal hits.
@keithsewell83896 ай бұрын
If this reflects the level of of managerial competence that prevails in the UK then the country is in serious danger. Prompt action required!
@normalwisdom40486 ай бұрын
*It's the integrity of the judicial system that's more worrying than the integrity of the Horizon system in my opinion*
@judithpride16906 ай бұрын
This is an enquiry, not a criminal trial (hopefully that will come later, but soon). The questioning at the enquiry is letting the witnesses hang themselves with their replies. All of the questioning can be used in the criminal case (hopefully by the Met Police, but if not then a private prosecution funded by the public). The barristers are doing a sterling job revealing the truth of the matters. The criminal case(s) will provide the entertainment... the enquiry is the building block for this.
@paulphillips6756 ай бұрын
The judicial system can only judge what is put in front of it. In the case of the SPM prosecution the POL and Fujitsu lied or hid information that cast doubt on the guilt of SPMs would probably have resulted in different judgements
@rosssimpson62686 ай бұрын
The Judicial System operates on the basis that all participants are operating with integrity - and there are sets of rules that define this. The Post Office was (and still is) in the almost unique position of conducting its own criminal prosecutions, which I believe is the fundamental reason for this scandal and the removal of that power is one of the conclusions I expect to result. It won't, on its own, eliminate such biased and fraudulent prosecutions (in-house lawyers could still withold essential info) but will provide a valuable 'barrier' that does seem to work for other large organisations.
@shauntaylor60406 ай бұрын
Disclosure in the Misra case would probably have ended prosecutions in 2010.
@daydays126 ай бұрын
yes it seems the judges were complicit in all this
@judithmatthews84606 ай бұрын
If paying out the Post office postmasters for their appalling treatment due to the dereliction of responsibility by Fujitsu bankrupts the company who will be crying? Not the British public who are being expected to pay for their corruption
@JeanRinger6 ай бұрын
He is up to it right up to his neck and over Guilty Sir he’s a bigger liar than Paula Vennells who does he thinks he is kidding
@IbnBahtuta6 ай бұрын
He doesn't really care as he knows nothing will happen and the media will move on to the next distraction that makes them money.
@daydays126 ай бұрын
@@IbnBahtuta cynical but true 😞
@IbnBahtuta6 ай бұрын
@@daydays12 Factual and true, stop being so cynical. rofl
@daydays126 ай бұрын
@@IbnBahtuta I wasn't being cynical . I thought you were..but what you wrote is, sadly, true, and I agree with you 100% These long 'inquiries' which never take action. The incompetence, callousness and self serving we see from these witnesses is truly disgusting. I wouldn't have employed 98% of them. ( exception one or two PO and the Second Sight Duo) The fact that virtually nothing will happen to them, and that they'll hang on to the money is sickening
@IbnBahtuta6 ай бұрын
@@daydays12 What we have seen is exactly what I expect to see in a profoundly sick society. I am not cynical at all, I'm just an observer here in the mouth of the lion stating what I have observed. When dealing with the Kafirun cynicism isn't part of the process, rather we are actually feeling really sorry for your self-inflicted predicaments that you react to time after time, never realising the actual cause of your predicaments. You could for instance consider your latest christian against christian war in Eastern Europe. Or the culpability the west has in the deliberately funded and assisted genocide of my brothers, sisters, children, and babies some of whom were only hours old when your taxes murdered them. But that's for another day called. Yawm al-Qiyamah
@davidlynch90496 ай бұрын
Not British, but following this debacle with interest. What amazes me, or probably shouldn't 😂, is the utter incompetence of the entire Post Office management, C-level, and their lawyers. Most, if not all of these people, should never have been in their positions. 🤷🏻🙄
@GrandSolarSystemPoobah6 ай бұрын
HSE
@philipgardner-uz5ne6 ай бұрын
Who??appointed them?
@jumpferjoy1st6 ай бұрын
Lets be clear, Fujitsu should be facing not only criminal proceedings, but a fine into the billions as well. Plus possibly a ban from ALL government or associate contracts.
@roppa7896 ай бұрын
This is the worst of the worst. And yet the tories are still to this day giving Fujistu new contracts in all sorts of areas.
@hpoonis20106 ай бұрын
There's no arguing with a fat backhander full of yen/rubles/dollars/pounds.
@philipgardner-uz5ne6 ай бұрын
Hmrc😢
@gvigary16 ай бұрын
@@hpoonis2010 The biggest backhander is labelled "dividends" and goes straight to the PM's family.
@davidriggs14706 ай бұрын
Not even a convincing liar,he is obviously hiding stuff,almost as bad is his pure arrogance,I do not recall I do not remember not my fault
@tomungless28526 ай бұрын
In other words "I deny everything. Blame someone else."
@adenwellsmith69086 ай бұрын
Now we are getting closer to the real cause.
@waldopepper15726 ай бұрын
Wow wow wow. What a document!. Such arrogance. Such incompetence!
@grantwallace18826 ай бұрын
Again we hear the "I am incompetent and terrible at my job" excuse. We must have a proper criminal investigation now, Prime Minister.
@kennethwalsh88046 ай бұрын
" Lock them up" " Lock them up" " Lock them up"
@andym.61416 ай бұрын
At best the Horizon scandal has been an epidemic of incompetence.
@philhart48496 ай бұрын
I also see Vennells and Tait displaying remarkable amounts of malice.
@chrisfell50736 ай бұрын
I cannot understand how staff (whatever business you are in) can hide or keep secret from Directors such fundamental flaws in a system since 1999. It is just not credible.
@johnclarke-vs9qe6 ай бұрын
He was "told", in a document he admitted to reading, to watch a TV program (even provided a link) which would show the "problems" with the Horizon system, and he said he "didn't watch it"!!......... Unbeievable!
@James_Bowie6 ай бұрын
I'm glad that Tait's current staff are able to watch this.
@yt.personal.identification6 ай бұрын
"It was not me, it was anyone else" This guy.
@coam37086 ай бұрын
What a feck up 😮
@susankeating86786 ай бұрын
Having watched many weeks of the inquiry I have come to the conclusion that in order to get a top job at the PO & Fujitsu you have to be totally inept & an utter liar. This clown today proves it. The body language said it all. I’m quite looking forward to next week though with Gareth Jenkins in the hot seat for 4 days. They must have an awful lot to ask him so I hope to see him squirming while he tries (and no doubt fails miserably) to answer them. I bet he’s been having a few sleepless nights! Good!!
@AmbientShores6 ай бұрын
Fujitsu's concerns for protecting their own reputation shines a very bright light on their incompetence.
@Mil-w6d6 ай бұрын
Can someone tell me what we can expect after this inquiry ? It’s obvious after just a few hearings that Paula vennels, post office management and Fujitsu are wicked and selfish, and should be punished. What is the point of these proceedings and how long do we need to wait for them to be punished
@stephenbland74616 ай бұрын
Just like the head of the post office, all he can say is ‘I had no idea’…..either they are incompetent or in denial……or both…..
@anonnemo25046 ай бұрын
Fujitsu started working with ICL in the eighties and later acquired it and continued to employ former ICL software engineers. Working for client companies, my professional experience of ICL software is that rarely was it commercially released without a host of "undocumented features", many of them serious in nature. Many, many other people involved in the installation of ICL software at the time would say the same. Royal Mail / Post Office cannot have been unaware of ICL's track record when the contract was placed and there would seem to have been a glaring lack of due diligence leading up to it.
@colinbell82316 ай бұрын
I worked for ICL/Fujitsu for over 25 years on similar projects (but not in Retail). Used similar systems. We employed the top programmers in their specialist field (costing MUCH more than my manager salary), bugs in the software were eliminated (none of the highest categories of failures would be delivered to the customer), all changes to the software could be traced to specific programmers etc etc. Out of billions of transactions, not one was lost (though we had some heart-stopping moments.....) We worked very hard to eliminate all avenues of failure across the system: failures in communications, in equipment, human interaction etc. I analysed the sources of risk to the project. The highest risk: "political". Once a project gets mentioned in parliament, you're as good as 'dead'! (that's not to say I did anything specific to avoid this, other than to have a clean system that behaved itself). The main category of risk was "doing something for the first time": we had plenty of those..... We even made sure that everything we connected to was in time-synch with the Rugby (caesium) clock, so that time stamps were accurate. The amount of 'fool-proofing' and redundancy was insane: but worth the cost. I've watched the Post Office scandal with particular interest. I keep coming back to the in-house (ICL/Fujitsu) error reports: where were they? With all that back-up of error reporting databases, why have we never seen them? Didn't the first legal cases require their discovery?
@anonnemo25046 ай бұрын
@@colinbell8231 Thanks. That is interesting. Much of my experience with ICL software WAS in retail applications, predominantly POS (point of sale) systems. Fortunately, never in the Post Office but with companies more trusting of its users, who were always employees, and never with a contractual relationship similar to that between Royal Mail / Post Office and sub-postmasters and mistresses. Other suppliers I dealt with included Unisys and Data General and all of them, in my experience, provided systems, of all kinds, with far fewer "undocumented features" than some of those supplied by ICL. Strangely, though, after a company I worked decided to install ICL's "OfficePower" system in the late eighties, it performed rather well. How much of its coding, however, was created by ICL, I never discovered and nobody from ICL seemed to want to discuss the matter. ICL hardware, mainframe, DRS 300, DRS 500 I found to be robust (a term more applicable to hardware than software, I always thought). On these, however, in house programmers would develop, test and maintain applications. My point, though, in a nutshell, is that Royal Mail / Post Office should have been aware of problems with ICL supplied POS systems but seem not to have carried out adequate technical due diligence at all stages of the development of "Horizon, both pre and post-internet.
@tonykelpie6 ай бұрын
Apparently the leader of a computer firm doesn’t think that he should understand technical documents
@marybusch61826 ай бұрын
Seriously, our CEOs FIRE anybody who is not a YES person.
@yessroman6 ай бұрын
“ it wasn’t me. It was him, him and him.”
@kevind69566 ай бұрын
Between Fujitsu, the Post Office and the lawyer at Womble Bond Dickinson (Andy Parsons) not an honest one amongst them. Worse, absolutely no remorse whatsoever. Hope they all get what they deserve.
@abagatelle6 ай бұрын
Bringing out the old Nuremberg defence - nothing to do with me guvnor, I didn't know anything.
@trevorhart5456 ай бұрын
Q. How many of these Fujitsu "people" were former ICL employees, the failed UK IT Company? Q. Did ICL falsify their submissions to Fujitsu when the takeover was decided? Q. Is there a case for Fujitsu claiming compensation from former ICL Board members and Senior Executives along with ICL shareholders for FALSE ENRICHMENT due to false data been sent to Fujitsu regarding the "health" of ICL? THIS STINKS We all know that ALL of the Board and Executives in POL and Royal Mail are responsible BUT did this go back further to Fujitsu been sold a CROC of SHUT?
@mikeellis43456 ай бұрын
There it is … deliberate fiddling of branch accounts by Fujitsu and approved by pol
@jamesduffy15446 ай бұрын
There are strong links between Tait and Gavin Bounds. They worked together at HP. They then worked together at Unisys. And then they worked together at Fujitsu. A simple comparison of their LinkedIn profiles and timelines shows as such.
@gherkamum6 ай бұрын
They love passing the buck.......Massive cover up.
@JohnMoir-om3fc6 ай бұрын
Wow, there we have it! What a disgrace.
@7rich796 ай бұрын
The document outlining the three solutions, of which one was unethical, may have been misunderstood. It is not necessarily unusual when looking at technical solutions to list options you would never seriously consider. IT staff often have very high level of access to do a lot inside a system both in a responsible manner and irresponsible. Therefore, customers, various levels of management, and other departments frequently have questions such as "Can't we just do X to fix it quickly now, and do it properly later?" IT staff then have a duty to explain that while something is technically possible, it cannot be done for ethical or legal reasons. The inclusion of solution 1 is in my view just a way to preempt the question. If in the case where someone with authority still says they want to go with the unethical option, IT staff then have a duty to say they will not go ahead with it for the reasons mentioned.
@glentyan25056 ай бұрын
I agree with what you say having been there myself, but the problem with this lot there seems to be a common thread of deceit, memory loss, arrogance and incompetence running through the whole debacle.
@7rich796 ай бұрын
I agree there are a lot of people involved here that had a motive one way or another not to ask the right questions. A phrase I've heard a few times throughout the inquiry that I have added to my own vocabulary is "a lack of curiosity". I could understand that someone can't remember things happening many years ago and cannot speak directly to a specific event, but surely they would know themselves well enough to explain how they would have reacted to the event unfolding and any action then taken as a matter of course
@lawr666 ай бұрын
Doing that (useless options) is enforced by management. But the option discussed was obviously actually considered. I really doubt those options actually came from the grunts.
@glentyan25056 ай бұрын
@@lawr66 At one point he did say he was only following orders.
@Ken-er9cq6 ай бұрын
When you are CEO of a technology company quite often the problems will be of a technical nature, and they have to sort it. Looking at Duncan Tait’s work history it appears that he did work for 5 years as a systems programmer, and the companies must have decided that he wasn’t really suited to that, and put him on a management track. So some time later, he is a CEO of a company that mainly produces commercial software and provides it as part of a package with computers etc, and he doesn’t have a clue about commercial software.
@priscillawatson70496 ай бұрын
JAIL SENTENCE PLEASE HE HAS BLOOD ON HIS HANDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@peterrowlands6406Күн бұрын
These lawyers are laughing all the way to the bank,😡😡😡 if only the sub postmasters were.
@richardclair67186 ай бұрын
These people are criminals and should be in jail as with the track and trace and ppe scandal but non of them will be prosecuted. Utter corruption
@kingfisherphil6 ай бұрын
Scoundrels, absolute! These people saw innocents persecuted and driven to suicide, divorce, bankruptcy and all the horrifics that follow. They must be held to account and dealt with as the law decides. My heart goes out to those who suffered.
@philgriffin82855 ай бұрын
Disgraceful. CEO really? I am astonished that he didnt know what was going on with the product and its application. Did he not conisider appointing someone to look into it futher. Did he have responsibility for signing the product off and/or chairing a release review.
@jca1116 ай бұрын
"I have no idea" is a joke answer right?
@palemale25016 ай бұрын
Incompetence or perjury ? Fujitsu are losing contracts everywhere in UK - hope they keep enough for the compensations
@miketomlin60406 ай бұрын
Lots of people were telling him everything was OK, but not to watch a BBC show saying everything might not be OK is suspicious, or indicative of a lack of seriousness!
@macmachine6 ай бұрын
Never heard such an insincere apology.
@Keith-l5n6 ай бұрын
The Post office said "we have paid you and want you to turn a blind eye". Fujitsu said "you keep paying us and we will turn a blind eye".
@Neil-clare6 ай бұрын
I can’t Believe the post office are going to renew there contract with Fujitsu 🤬🤦🏻♂️ what an absolute shambles.
@lesparton20695 ай бұрын
This guy Tait has done nothing but avoid answering or sidestepping the questions. He should be charged with failure to be fully honest ie lying!!!
@Rating646 ай бұрын
It literally states in the last sentence on the document shown that “it does not cover HNG-X (horizon online)” Duncan tait “ ….quite a technical document that describes how integrity is ensured in Horizon Online”. WRONG WRONG WRONG how much is this muppet paid, an IT expert too.
@philipyoung38436 ай бұрын
Why is this man not arrested? He’s clearly instigating fraud by his company which is resulting in the conviction of innocent people!!!
@MarkCampbell-sl5sr6 ай бұрын
Only when a police investigation begins in earnest will some of these people recover their memory in order to get a reduced custodial sentence. This enquiry will not acheive anything. All hoping that somebody else will "carry the can".
@redjacc75816 ай бұрын
this guy made me redundant after 20 years.
@Awakenotwoke-lf3ej6 ай бұрын
Pray for justice ⚖️ 🙏 I'm so sorry 😞
@MrDiddyDee6 ай бұрын
It is only when some custodial sentences for POL and Fujitsu executives are issued that the complicit wall of silence might just begin to crumble and the finger pointing begin, but I wouldn't hold my breath. No one senior is naming names, just vague references to it being a corporate failure where apparently no individuals appear to be specifically to blame. If this case can't apportion culpability God help us all when the coming generation of A.I. systems become totally ubiquitous in society and, truthfully, no one will be able to understand why system mistakes could be happening.
@Peter-sk5vg5 ай бұрын
The bones of this are unbelievable . And the dumb unaccountabilty of these execs is the equally unbelievable meat.
@antheairenedevilliers16576 ай бұрын
It's unbelievable, this whole ghastly business. How does this happen? Is it because everyone is so comfortable and cosy working in an institution that somehow has managed to be completely insulated from reality for such a long time that no-one could conceive of any situation where its foundations could be so seriously undermined ...
@seajay096 ай бұрын
I had no recollection of …. Another liar in focus.
@emilybeaumont83646 ай бұрын
Shocking
@grosvenorclub6 ай бұрын
Nobody seems to consider actually fixing the system !!
@hillaryclinton13145 ай бұрын
1:50 system integrity cannot be ensured when there are ANY unresolved accusations of inadequacy ..
@timshapcott85566 ай бұрын
A highly paid liar...denied everything..didnt see or hear anything.... Now at Inchcape plc
@seanmoyses6 ай бұрын
Jail time
@Richard-pe4cx6 ай бұрын
never have so many lied to bring injustice down upon the heads of technically their employees start building those new prison's
@stephenphillip56566 ай бұрын
If absolutely nothing else comes out of this disgraceful miscarriage of justice, I'd fervently hope that the Post Office & all other bodies similarly empowered to conduct private prosecutions have that right removed & *ALL* prospective prosecutions of individuals have to be referred to the DPP. The prosecution of all those involved in this omnishambles should no MUST face the consequences of Corporate malfeasance.
@faithlesshound56216 ай бұрын
It's clear the Horizon system did not work, both the Post Office and Fujitsu knew it did not, yet the PO was unwilling to scrap it and revert to either the previous system (whatever that was) or go back to manual book-keeping. That would have cost the PO a lot of money and required them to employ a lot more people and Fujitsu would have had to pay a substantial penalty. Like Lord Denning said of the innocence of the Birmingham Six, that led to an appalling vista they were unwilling to contemplate.
@hugolindum77286 ай бұрын
They all knew but were careful to make sure it was never noted in minutes to give themselves credible deniability in the future.
@raybokor26 ай бұрын
just WOW get the hand cuffs warmed up .but don't get the post office to deliver them
@ronvalente656 ай бұрын
all I want to know is who at fujitsu changed the figures, and who told them to do it? plain and simple okay?
@WONDERSR6 ай бұрын
There's a lot at stake here - particularly for the many software companies out there, who will be very concerned at any commercial and/or legal precedents arising out of this case.
@birdandthe6 ай бұрын
I dont know, i have no idea.
@hpoonis20106 ай бұрын
Question: Why did you not investigate the substance of the allegations against the software? Tait: We told Post Office that the software was robust and that there were no problems. Post Office told their subpostmasters that the software was robust and that there were no problems. Post Office told us that the software was robust and that there were no problems. I had no reason to investigate further as the software was robust and there were no problems.
@slbe97216 ай бұрын
There is no such thing as staff failure to perform or inform as in the final count it is the manager who must be design and assign work responsibilities thus making himself or herself responsible for the performance of his or her section.
@howarddavies24836 ай бұрын
Very interesting how KC Sam Steen changes his approach with more benign witnesses and the more aggressive characters at the Inquiry. Subtle and effective.
@jimmeer6 ай бұрын
Unbelievable that they knew the software was faulty at a time when loads of sub-postmasters were suddenly being prosecuted for theft and yet they were so entrenched in their positions that they could not apparently link the two. And also unbelievable that so many Courts fell for it without documentary evidence of guilt.
@johnwainwright62056 ай бұрын
Having read the posts on here, and they are rightly angry, but would anyone expect either POL or Fajitsu to behave any differently..
@adriandcruz1886 ай бұрын
The whole inquiry is a circus. Nobody is to blame.
@anonnemo25046 ай бұрын
The inquiry is taking too long but, with KCs etc. paid by the hour, this was always going to be the case and often, when justice is delayed, justice is denied. Make no mistake, there are plenty of people deserving blame here.
@adriandcruz1886 ай бұрын
It just seems there is no deterrent. No means to charge individuals so they just beat around the bush with their answers. And of course are so sorry it happened. Ironic
@michaelkemp68576 ай бұрын
Where do they get these clowns from?
@Youtube_deleted_my_favourites6 ай бұрын
Imagine, at your place of work, some money goes missing. You get blamed. If you deny it you are threatened with court resulting in prison. Or if you admit it you just get a suspended sentence or community punishment. So to avoid prison you admit guilt. Over and done with you think. Then your company sues you for court costs because you were found guilty, you owe £350,000 in court costs. Your life ruined. This company is called the Post Office. Their logo is " whatever you need us for, we're here for you". They spent £100 million in expensive lawers to try to avoid paying £58 million in compensation. The class action saw the incorrectly convicted see £20,000 in compensation after court costs. The executive salaries were between £250,000 and £500,000. Post Office investigators were given bonuses for every Horizon conviction
@mattc11246 ай бұрын
I’ve got a horrible feeling all these people will get off. They will have to go through a few awkward moments in this enquiry but ultimately nothing will happen to them.
@LarrySlazenger76 ай бұрын
Sadly I agree, just like Hillsborough and Grenfell……….
@judithpride16906 ай бұрын
Mr Bates has said that he and other SPMs will file a private criminal prosecution if the Met Police say there's no case to answer. Ian Henderson and Ron Warmington have both said they'll be part of it (Directors of Second Sight - forensic accountants - who were threatened by POL in a similar way to the SPMs when they got to the truth of the matter). Funding the private prosecution could be the challenge...
@andyt33046 ай бұрын
@@LarrySlazenger7 and Chilcott
@LarrySlazenger76 ай бұрын
@@andyt3304 and Orgreave
@slbe97216 ай бұрын
The report mentions data integrity and yet excludes the issue of bugs?
@RyanJocvx116 ай бұрын
Why were these top team of executives head hunted to hold top positions at Fujitsu and they all repeat with the same answer - “Sorry GUV but I’m and I never was technically minded” “but I can tell you I was brilliant at technically forecasting and managing my OWN COMPANY PENSION GUV” I’m alright Jack! ME FIRST,SECOND AND ME THIRD JUST FOR ME you couldn’t make it up. Mr Stein KC is totally brilliant he doesn’t need to get the book and cain out - he’s telling these witness’s the true answers to their questions.
@DiederikAms6 ай бұрын
Funny how British culture is totally aligned with the way these employees wrote those documents. “Solution to cover our asses, too bad for the others that will be affected by this, we don’t care.” So typical for corporate Anglican business (this is equally rampant in the US). “We do what we can get away with. Anything more would be beyond what I am being paid for. That is my manager’s problem (and I’m not going to tell him)” Sickening really.