Lonely Gaijin Defends The FGC From JP Trolls

[@coolfish420]

hey man i like action movies too

[@anonysalt]

animal videos

[@krustygraze189]

anonysalt Animated videography

[@DrClaw77]

I saw a comment that referenced "Core Values", lol... that meme made it overseas

[@ANIMEILLUMINATI]

yeah that definitely transcended language barriers lol

[@Khadeezy]

It’s not a meme ? It’s a common phrase lol

[@bonnet_b]

Damn! "Sky Williams' House" had me laughing so hard!

[@2bussy]

Blackula's Castle

[@Sigurd2990]

I agree with Nintendo being less inclined to be involved with competitive Smash

[@M4TTYN]

kinda shouldn't have to yea that's in the coffin sadly

[@thejunkmanlives]

it made sense to not deal with the competitive scene even before all the stories started coming out. as a brand nintendo wants a family friendly, youthful, clean imagine. the smash scene is the opposite of that.

[@its_tunezz]

The reason nintendo doesn't get involved in the competitive scene is the reason smash have that many copies selling. You know , people not getting scared off and stuff...

[@ManlyFightingGames]

@@thejunkmanlives Facts: you got people ages 13-30+ rooming up in the same hotel with alcohol and who knows what else. Scene was toxic before these wave of exposures. It's a shame, I really like the Smash games but the community is a turnoff.

[@thejunkmanlives]

@@ManlyFightingGames absolutely. i said something similar in another video about sf. these games date back to the 90s so for anyone that started back then add +20 to their age. that age gap is just not healthy. both groups will tend to influence each other negatively whether its just immaturity or situations that should never involve the youth. moving forward i can only see 2 options. 1) we split the community into age brackets or 2) we adopt a rated pg standard. obviously 2 isnt going to happen.

[@dust_to_dust]

"If this is all it takes to wipe out the scene, then it wasn't worth saving." Stellar perspective. Too true. We'll see, but I think the core of the FGC is something that is birthed in the hearts of certain individuals who love to fight, and as long as there are fighting games out there, they will be played and people will likely discuss them and organize ways to get together. So the building blocks of the FGC are essentially immortal as long as fighting games exist.

[@P0rk_Sinigang]

The FGC is, quite literally, the friends we make along the way. It's not about tournaments, it's about getting together to enjoy playing fighting games. So yes, the building blocks are very much immortal. We just need to carry on and not allow ourselves to fall back into the trappings of ignoring bad behavior so as not to rattle the birdcage.

[@DrClaw77]

Did he say "The Goomba Level"? LOL

[@its_tunezz]

Now I an gonna call "ground lvl" to "goomba lvl"

[@l3oMBaSTiC]

lmfaooooooo

[@kirby2567]

the video changing from the thumbnail to "Sky William's House" sent me, man not too surprising the whole thing is making people look inwards tho

[@Nickolas22111]

Venom Obama is canon

[@andrewghannoum915]

Viscant was a visionary with all his Purity talk on SRK GD back in the day.

[@sorubro2193]

What did he say?

[@thejunkmanlives]

honestly, my dude knew what was happening and didnt say anything. a lot of guys on the west coast knew. seth killain, alex valle, combofiend, etc. they choose to stay quiet. which is bad, the question do we do anything about it? is this a guilty by association deal?

[@sorubro2193]

@@thejunkmanlives well, the FGC has a long history of enabling abusers, maybe they have some shit to uncover too, who knows.

[@thejunkmanlives]

@@sorubro2193 no it doesnt have a history of abuse. its only now that people are talking. which is why i pose the question. if all these big names knew(and i would find it hard to believe that they didnt) and didnt say anything how should be react?

[@CykaBlyatAlex]

@@thejunkmanlives didn't the guy who accused Wiz say that Valle or Chen didn't know. I'm not sure about Viscant but all he really said was that he's the one who told him Wiz was gay when he told him the story years later. Though I could be wrong really.

[@Sune]

Saw this on Twitch the other day. thanks for translating the comments and breaking it down Obama!

[@deadfr0g]

Honestly, to me, there’s something genuinely heartwarming about seeing that JP is having the same mix of serious introspection and completely glorious shitposting that we’ve been having here. FGC has always transcended language barriers. I don’t think that the real, hardcore FGC will die. There’s just no way. We love these games too much for that, we love beating each other too much for that, and we love hanging out with each other too much for that. This community was _and is_ practically defined by being so full of passionate people who are willing to put in the work to build a community and maintain a community. Those are exactly the kinds of people it takes to heal a community, and we’ve got tons of them. We’ve always been grassroots at the core. I think that’s a massive part of why Big E-Sports has always been fundamentally different from us. Our roots are so strong. We’re just knocking some bad apples out of the tree, and we can even do some pruning, and maybe we’ll lose a few branches that we didn’t want to lose, but these roots are still strong. This tree is strong. That being said, on Fightcade today I did decline an ST challenge to play Windjammers instead. Whoops maybe we’re doomed, hahaha. Thanks for the video, Obama.

[@sirjeanpepper2492]

Can't wait for the SBO story and Obama's Persona 4 days

[@SkullDreaming]

Obama: Honne Jiyuna: Tatemae

[@Owl_Coup_Productions]

At the end of the day EVO was just a function. It doesn't matter if they rebrand or not because it's the people that attend and host the tournament that made up the core of EVO not any one person. This is both positive and negative because looking back the FGC was disgusting for harboring all those predators but now that we've cast them out the community has a chance to be a good place.

[@M4TTYN]

we got combo breaker, and others EVO was fun while it lasted *outsider* to viewer online to did my research shame it ended on a real real bad note with fucked up shit but glad it ends to more not get into this fucked shit.

[@SuperAwesome10101]

Dear Hunter pfp?

[@sorubro2193]

I remember when, in a coop cup, there were those guys commentating about that girls should just pick chun because she is easy, and Obama shut them up, those kind of actions will help us build a better community.

[@gdnalk]

I sincerely hope that the Cannon brothers and the rest of the EVO staff can steer the ship back and rebuild those relationships. One person doing bad isn't enough to sink that ship, but the question is how quickly can the hole be patched. Hopefully the Cannons and co. can regroup and push forward for another EVO Online at the end of the year, because this month was going to be a big deal for those games' players on top of being a showcase for rollback netcode. If anyone was going to be able to pull off an online event that big, it'd be the people involved with EVO Online.

[@guiterrorist]

That's around the time of EVO Japan, so I don't think they'll ever do an online tourney that gets Japan's attention.

[@M4TTYN]

still regaining trust as obama said, won't be easy and further who really would go to a EVO after all this and who even wants to go to a local still? mainly nerd event period

[@gdnalk]

@@guiterrorist Unless vaccines are distributed 4 - 6 months ahead of even the earliest estimates, there probably won't be an EVO Japan 2021, so that's a non-issue.

[@gdnalk]

@@M4TTYN There's definitely lot of trust to be re-gained by EVO. As for locals and other events, it's like Obama said: if this is all it took to kill off the entire FGC, it wasn't worth saving in the first place.

[@MitoRequiem]

I have never been clickbaited so hard by a thumbnail lmao

[@oshiko35P]

Wdym, he properly conveyed the JP comments while shielding us from the toxic ones.

[@lzfsburner]

@@oshiko35P the thumbnail is awesome, a good attention grabber. Simple.

[@MitoRequiem]

@@oshiko35P I think that people associate "clickbait" with negativity, Yes the thumbnail is great and it immediately grabbed my attention lmao. It BAITED me into clicking the video rather than saving it for later in the day

[@oshiko35P]

@@MitoRequiem Yes, I was playing into that notion, I regret not putting /s at the end.

[@Eifuh]

Jiyuna saves Guilty Gear; Obama saves Smash

[@pinkfloyd36123]

it's a really brutal time for fgs, especially with like 0 new games coming out for the foreseeable future that could maybe help spark new interest. idk how anybody could fully trust the evo name again cause it's not just mr. wiz himself, we don't know how many higher ups knew about this and stayed quiet, let alone how many allegations could still come to light. there's a lot of talk about individuals but there's some serious cultural issues in the fgc that haven't properly been tackled

[@M4TTYN]

yea all this, man this year to every week is like a test of if you're fav streamer of who you invested time into might have some skeleton's come to light we all got lil stuff that's not so bad of course but man back 2 back, back 2 back, and just many fuck up's to a certain FG dev person i hope keeps their mouth shut. not even the FGC alone, but brutal for everyone were all contrary to belief all pretty social creatures, miss the homies, fam, many miss their FGC local homies etc just so tuff we all on edge more than usual. then the consistent bigot comments of the virus to fucked conspiracies some say this, that all sorts of dumb shit 5G corona lol oh man

[@bleack8701]

People were quick to jump ship and pretend that firing Wiz solved all problems EVO had. They're already talking about how EVO is already fine

[@pinkfloyd36123]

@@M4TTYN i feel you man, it's a rough fucking time. cant put anyone on a pedestal cause you never know

[@pinkfloyd36123]

@@bleack8701 facts thats the most annoying thing. especially with all the fucked up shit i hear about that happens at evo, i'm sure some of the management thats still there is gonna have their own reckoning soon enough

[@ANIMEILLUMINATI]

Honestly I feel like this is as bad as its ever been, and I definitely would not have said that 8 months ago.

[@TheFightingGentleman]

Love that background of sotn sky williams meme lol...a full outline for it should be made...

[@Z0mgXenu1]

I have great respect for Japanese action videos.

[@TheJackOfFools]

MajinObama I only ever knew of you from match footage, which I liked, but also didn't know anything about you. This stuff on the channel has made you a new fan. I really like the guys on this channel having insight into JP culture, but also y'all being adults, it's pretty appealing.

[@MKfanmomo]

This issue grew big enough that it require an approach akin to political maneuver. The new administration need to address direct problem and also long time solution. A press conference where you lay out the plan and stick to it in order to improve things, a few changes to Schedule and security measures will do the trick for the direct part(ex: no more after parties in the vicinity of Evo, you can party all you want privately with people you trust).

[@SyaoLin213]

"If this is all it takes to wipe out the scene, then it wasn't worth saving." Great take that we don't hear enough. I remember a lot of people were trying to push this under the rug when this stuff first came to light because they were afraid of tournaments and players being cancelled but if the FGC and smash community are about this kind of thing then it's not a culture we want to preserve

[@NrettG]

Interesting retrospect seeing this take now instead of 2 years ago. It's like the FGC and the smash community took two completely different paths. FGC kinda kicked out everyone and rebuilt the whole thing while Smash outed everyone but never took action. At the current moment I've noticed an even bigger divide between FGC and Smash, both are still thriving but the state of them are wildly different. FGC is currently staying afloat and proving that they can still be big while being popular. Smash is just trying to avoid going into a deep underground locals with a big major in between. I am happy that they both managed to stay afloat today, just the boats are a bit different.

[@DDRFreak410]

It's gonna be a long ride for us all man.. Especially on the organizers front... We can get through it. But it's going to take some time for sure.

[@razerblaze070]

aaaaa, this is what they mean by smash brothers”

[@TheMandanga]

thanks, obama

[@slifer875]

The real tragedy of this whole controversy was the victims, i was actually excited for an EVO that would show the world that rollback netcode is the correct way to handle online but now japan will not get the message, skullgirls gets robbed again.... Also being an anonymous comment section is the same no matter what language, the individuals can say whatever they want with no fear of consequences, even a country like japan that cares so much about politeness and image would trow that away in the internet, its not surprise those comments are very similar to western social media..... I don't think the FGC is finish but it won't stay the same if it wants to continue, it must change.........

[@andresjmb2038]

Watching this a year after all of this problems, am glad the community is in the best outcome with all the big tournaments breaking entrance records and evo being bought by sony, am glad that rough patch full of shitty people wasn’t the end of the fgc.

[@zekiel2533]

It seems Japan fgc has some hidden issues too. Very enlightening

[@sorubro2193]

Japan is hidden issues: the country.

[@jtamiing559]

Abdikarim Ali crunchy roll underplaying their translators

[@M4TTYN]

every region does, every figure you think don't does, but yea some are "good" at keeping a presumably clean slate until light get's shed on it

[@JamBugz7]

You know... this channel produces some quality fuckin' content? As someone who isnt really involved with anime illuminati and anime games in general I'm just realizing this now

[@steeplewiththesnakes]

A problem with the Evo name is that it's impossible to know who in what leadership position was aware of Mr Wizards behavior. I would like to think no one, but that does make the event a risk even if they rebrand it. I think the community as a whole will be okay though. It may need the push of a major game release (on the level of a SF6) though to start growth again. There's still clearly a lot of people who care about these games.

[@Jo3_Chan]

Thanks Obama

[@heinokunzelmann8967]

This is insanely late to the party, but I wonder if this would have never happened to this extent if Nintendo had gotten involved from the beginning. A lot of the incidents could have been avoided if there was someone to enforce proper child supervision policies. Of course, most of the stuff from Sky Williams' house would have been out of Nintendo's control, but still

[@NrettG]

I never considered that. I feel if Nintendo was involved we wouldn't see Smash to the biggest heights it reached at the time. Sure most of these events would have been avoided but at the cost it still being a "party game". Hell as of current Nintendo still just treats Smash as a side event with Splatoon and Mario Kart.

[@Two-ToneMoonStone]

I don't know if Nintendo would be the one, but lately I've been wondering a very similar thing if the FGC had embraced the community from the beginning. Having those big brother "tough shit types" could have stopped a lot of this.

[@TortoiseMaximus]

An 'action video' lmaoooo

[@neurosis51]

Strange future perspective knowing that Sony has bought EVO, but I still see people building up other tournaments instead if offline competitions does come back.

[@chinesemassproduction]

good ol' 2ch. I really like the thumbnail btw

[@eliezerlevergil]

I honestly think saying the fgc is dying is a bit too much, sure EVO was a big part of it but, with all of this recent effort from the devs to improve online play, the fighting game genre is going more in the direction of other game genres. sure we won't be like the old days anymore of getting up close and personal and talking trash and mashing buttons with friends, but In a way, the genre is moving towards a direction, I dont know if its forward, but its going. And as the genre goes, so does the community thats interested in the games still. We can always strive to be better and continue to play, eventually new events and tournaments that are amazing experience for players will rise and the FGC will follow. The FGC doesn't need EVO, it needs passion from its people, so that it can move on and grow.

[@gabebalata661]

I believe that EVO will for sure comeback next year though it will for sure be tough regaining trust . Although I can see the community coming together with some kickstarter or something to give EVO the boost it needs to prove that the other companies that we care to I guess rebuild the EVO and FGC brand. I have hope. Also I hope the companies that were involved with EVO with announcements planned release them on their own time soon, give the FGC some good news this year.

[@ANIMEILLUMINATI]

honestly, I dont even see 2021 happening man lol. 2022 more likely at this point imo

[@cawfeedemon]

Nintendo probably regrets involving themselves even as little as they did with the Smash esports scene, they did take down a video that showcased one of the offenders.

[@luciferotto]

Thanks obamna

[@andymrb]

I feel sad for the EVO staff.

[@akalyx]

don't diddle kids

[@Spinozin]

As long as the fireball exists, the fgc shall remain

[@DonWippo1]

I have seen several Pro players doing charity streams after the controversy and honestly I think Charity is the best way to regain that lost trust. So I guess EVO should do something similiar in a really big scope. Of course with the event not happening this year their finances may not allow for too much.

[@ANIMEILLUMINATI]

charity isnt going to have the same reach or impact I think. the negative stuff stings too hard and needs to be addressed

[@DonWippo1]

You are right. Something inside of me just wishes we'd use the incredible Power of the FGC to make amends together and do something good.

[@TheOneTrueHamtaro]

5:11 LMAOOOOOO

[@andrewgrime8389]

I have never cared about or liked the FGC, but I like playing Anime and Versus games so you better improve this whole fucking community so I can keep playing those games. Thanks.

[@GatsuRage]

Not to disrespect or disregard the seriousness of the subject matter... but I gotta admit I laughed my ass off to that video title and thumbnail lol.

[@mahjongd77]

I love you Obama, good video :)

[@vedasisme]

I want to believe what Obama said: that the FGC is bigger than this scandal. At the root of the community, it's about coming together and playing competitive fighting games and getting hype. But does this incident prove that this kind of corruption is inevitable when events and companies get big enough? Is it possible to create some kind of countermeasures? Do the issues run so deep that it's a problem with society at large? What can be done, and what should be done? I know that many people will have confident beliefs about the answers to those questions, I don't know if I would be confident in any of them. And that hurts.

[@faurynunes]

Fighting games are a genre that doesn't change since the 90s, even the developers don't take it seriously if you see how online and visuals are poor. If the next games are not successful I think the genre is done for. I hoped for big improvements on it but the FGC wants that the games look archaic since it is how they remember in the arcades. Nintendo was right to ignore them, at the end of the day the casuals that pay the bills.

[@sammyshake]

thanks obama

[@raychangalarza179]

I'm here from the thumbnail

[@NotMalikScott]

The thumbnail for this video is busted.

[@stolensentience]

Wait what happened?

[@barrymaaslow3480]

Hat change...lol

[@lumiere245]

9:35 What about Capcom? They did that, and I don't really see anyone blaming them. Of course I don't know how the JP community is reacting to it, but I really don't see that being the case here anyway.

[@Tarrabah]

Capcom doesn't really try to brand themselves as the family friendly company afaik

[@nameception]

nice thumbnail

[@soulmantis4627]

it would be great if we could just axe smash

[@M4TTYN]

wow interesting i've pondered sorta this to hey some nice lil insight. many had interesting takes, wish obama ain't cherry pick em lol jk but real interesting they look on in to us here of course we surely look on in on them *for better or worst* thanks obama! *hit bobby & or jiyuna with some master raven stuff for me* 😂

[@SodiumRising]

What website is this? Is it like Japanese Reddit? I'd like to check it out if anyone knows

[@2bussy]

wat is 4chon???

[@shameboxx2609]

How did Obama learn to read Japanese?

[@JaimeAGB-pt4xl]

1- I also don't believe the FGC is done with this events, even though it was a heavy blow, EVO is not the FGC and the core of it still is healthy competition, even if it goes grass roots again, the FGC Will continue to be... 2- I understand that the times have changed, and some things also needed to change since they weren't good from the start anyways. But all lf these things about PC Culture and how emotional people are, fails to see that people are human, made mistakes, can learn and grow from them, and focuses only in the victim mindset (which never grows), this s*cks... 3- Sadly, after all these events, I'm 100% sure that Nintendo will never support the competitive scene, not only becuase of the family/friendly image, but because og the actions of key members of the scene. I don't play smash seriously, but I respect the dedication of the scene, it's a shame... 4- This cleance period its very interesting and well see the consecuences of it, but just like Obama said, What will they do to regain trust?, they will have to distance themselves from the EVO brand, creating a new brand and type of events... Hopefully the cannons will do well Ps: On the other side of the pond guys also pay girls to date them... they just don't realize it because feminism conditioned them to SIMP and the girls are really good lying about it XD Thanks for sharing the info of the japanese scene

[@M4TTYN]

you're 2nd point starts good then... goes what.. "fails to see that people are human, made mistakes, can learn and grow from them" you mean like all the fucked things that got light shed on them we should forgive said people i'm wondering if you're following the accused to even other bad faces of the FGC if so do you but please resort you're values big time.

[@JaimeAGB-pt4xl]

@@M4TTYN I'm not saying they should not be forgiven, and they're example should create a Stigma so that less people should start doing it, and those already doing stop would Stop... But didn't U see how people like CBlast and LTG got back stating "look who the monster is" as to shift the blame and keep they're behaviours instead of taking ownership and improving???... that its the victim mindset at its finest... And again, those had the chance to improve and grow as people but settle with mediocrity, and that Culture is trash

[@bleack8701]

About 1 and 4. A lot of people have said EVO is the core the FGC. Even jiyuna was speaking about it in a similar way. 2. I agree. A lot of people have the mentality that if you did something at some point it's impossible to improve as a person and recover. Makes me think why even bother with the prison system if that's the case. Just nuke every criminal if all of them are irredeemable. 3. In a way I'm happy for them. I personally greatly dislike it when companies mess with the competitive scene. Just think of what Blizz did to the OW scene.

[@philipbadguy3794]

Your last point confused me. Feminism didn't condition anyone to simp. Guys have been simping for years. We just never had a concrete defined term for it then. Theres been simps since like the early 2000's.

[@JaimeAGB-pt4xl]

@@philipbadguy3794 Feminism just came in to make the issue worse by imposing things like the sexual liberation, "strong independant" without the responsability, and fat acceptance

[@Evergladez]

Sakurai said after this season pass of smash they will be done working on smash, I expect nintendo won't do anything else smash related for atleast the next 5 or so year(likely when a new console for them will be out). Evo is done in name they'll need a new coat of paint to come back.

[@ICA_Ghost]

”the fgc is finished“ 🤣 yeah man we should all play fortnite now because of some pedophiles. i dont understand that ”community“ thing at all. we‘re just playing some videogames here. as long as there are people playing fighting games theres gonna be a fighting game community. everybody acts like theyre part of some movement. will there be less dudes on youtube making fighting game content? i doubt it since yall already milking the fuck outta these events. sure the recent stuff will probably leave a bad taste on the next events but as long as not only trash games come out theyre gonna grow too. all this negativity is just a social media death cycle... (minus the fucking pedophiles off course but that has nothing to do with fighting games)