Could Goku Beat Batman? | Dragon Ball vs DC Comics

[@lonkstakes]

"Nah I'd win" - Goku Probably

[@khumokwezimashapa2245]

But if Batman had prep time...

[@bluetone-amv]

Isn't that from the JJk Rowling show where the white haired faqqyboy say that

[@Dinojack0301]

“Nah I’d prep” - Batman definitely

[@Goober12345]

Vegeta letting cell get perfect

[@azimuddin1890]

Nah I’d win.

[@izzymosley1970]

One of the funniest arguments I've heard for goku winning a lot of equal stat fights is by basically turning him into a sniper. The argument goes like this ki blast have a lot of range Goku can fly and use instant transmission so Goku can beat any pure melee fighters in an equal stats fight. Now technically this argument is true but it's hilarious how out of character it is.

[@vegetacultminorityhunter]

​@@eduardopantoja9115 he did say it's outta of character for Goku do that.

[@darnelhays7999]

No its not

[@ItchiestBum]

Ive seen Gojo arguments for this too lmao

[@ItchiestBum]

@@darnelhays7999 Its not what?

[@little_error295]

Wouldn’t goku automatically win an equal stat fight because of UI

[@garteroid8892]

Batman: Dont worry guys, I know how to handle Goku *calls chichi*

[@porobotboyxxx]

What about needles?

[@Mr.Arcade10]

@@porobotboyxxxNon-Cannon.

[@porobotboyxxx]

@@Mr.Arcade10 Goku has shown being afraid on needles in DBZ not just DBGT.

[@Mr.Arcade10]

@@porobotboyxxx In an actual fight he wouldn’t be afraid and that was just a funny moment in Dragon Ball Z. Who said Im talking about GT.

[@porobotboyxxx]

@@Mr.Arcade10 Didn’t Frost drug Goku by using the needle?😂

[@danielwesley5051]

Prep time seems kinda cheap in most vs battles. Usually only one side is allowed prep time, and the fact that someone needs that advantage proves that they aren’t in the same league as their opponent. The only time it’s fair is if both have prep time or if one character can time travel, meaning that prep time is a natural ability/advantage that they always have.

[@GurrenPrime]

Tbf, when Goku uses prep time he’s usually focused on making himself stronger through strength training, or getting things like senzu beans. Neither of those would help much against the stuff Batman would bring with his prep time.

[@aminedekkal3325]

​@@GurrenPrime yes because the enemy is op as fuck but take preparing for someone not that op Goku immediately tried to learn mafuba to deal with zamasu

[@GurrenPrime]

@@aminedekkal3325 and then he forgot to bring one of the items needed to use the mafuba, lol. But I do get what you’re saying, he is willing to go outside his comfort zone, and that move might work against the Hellbat specifically. I’m just not sure if there’s any precedent for him having a way to deal with the nanobot messing with his brain. Maybe he could ask Bulma for something to protect him from it if he knew it was coming? But does prep time allow for outside assistance? Idk.

[@soku9901]

this is funny because everyone is right

[@soku9901]

but like, if batman knows what counters goku, shouldnt he be allow to know the same stuff about batman?

[@isaaccuevas1717]

Remember when goku was fighting both Cale and kafula in base with just pure skill

[@KEEPTALKIN8215]

Remember when batman fights superman level enemies with pressure point combat.

[@sptflcrw8583]

That's fodder.

[@oidotsuc5165]

That's more headcanon then anything it was never confirmed he was using pure skill he was still relative to there level even while being fatigue

[@JARMIDz]

He was also predicting where hit would appear in the future, told him that he was predicting him so hit would mix him up, and still was predicting him. Though batman has way more impressive feats, like tricking a nigh-Omniscient being, and waaay better future predictions. All in all Goku has better marital arts, but batman just has higher level perception

[@oidotsuc5165]

@@JARMIDz Goku has worse martial arts lay of the weed

[@AListProductions]

Remove plot armor and almost anyone in the DB universe kills Batman without effort

[@Exiler_]

I love how Batman haters always bark plot armour when the guy literally shows so many feats favoring him.

[@DaichiOkami]

@@Exiler_tell me in what world Batman surving being drowned chained with no gear or belt. Underwater with sharks and pirahnas no plan. And few seconds left of oxygen. Without weapons special armors or anything on his favor. Isn't plot armor He survives this. By pulling off a secret gadget he's never used and never uses again. That just conviently happens to be in the one part of the costume that wasn't removed. That also just to happens to hit a pirahna. That a shark eats. And starts a fight which leads to a shark biting NOT BATMAN but the fucking chains restraining him. Without even hurting batman. And saving him. All in the time span of 15 seconds. How the fuck is that not plot armor. The fucking stars aligned for this man to come out on top.

[@StevenJones851]

​@@DaichiOkamiGoku literally has as much Plot Amor as Batman the dude wom most of fights by himself as a Kid However as a Adult he needed help to win his fights the only fights he won by himself was against Nappa Reccome Jiece Burter Frieza Yakkon and Morro

[@jordon-anthonymyers4399]

​@DaichiOkami lol I can get batman to immeasurable layers into boundless if I wanted to via cosmology and superman

[@jordon-anthonymyers4399]

​@DaichiOkami also goku is slower than even a bacterium in dc, he aint even gonna beat a dc child without getting one shotted by a punch at irrelevant speeds with outer+ strength

[@siphezulu5119]

Ay great vid but Goku's counter to pressure point should more impressive than you gave credit for, he was doing that while ssj blue. Granolah had a eye specifically designed to pin point those vitals no matter how fast and strong you are, as stated by Granolah when he was bodying ssjb + UI, then for Goku to adapt to it with only ssjb while adapting to a stronger Granolah should mean something to your point "even if Goku was to shift his vitals, Batman would still likely hit a vital somewhere". I don't know maybe Goku was doing it instinctively because he was still getting perception blitzed by Granolah but was still able to accomplish this feat, Batman must have extremely difficult time accomplish what Granolah couldn't with superior speed, and special eye while with stats equalized Batman will only as fast as Goku, on top of that silver haired was stated to have no such weakness by the Granolah clone. The intention is not to change entire outcome but Batman wining through pressure should be invalid.

[@dsm2417]

True, and ui had no vital weaknesses against granolah

[@brandonclarke436]

What's perception blitz

[@siphezulu5119]

@@brandonclarke436 isn’t it self explanatory though? Blitzing one’s perception

[@ArmoredDragonGT]

@@brandonclarke436just someone being faster then the eye can see example when goku fought burter and jiece they couldn’t keep up with him as in they well can’t see his movements basically or anime where blade samurai’s just close there blade and it’s a slash lol I think I got it right if not oh well

[@Isotolerant]

​@@brandonclarke436you beat them so fast they can't even see you or what you did

[@jaden149]

no one ever mentioned gokus true win condition using the power pole to take batman to the moon and leaving him there

[@yarc9]

Batman can survive space for like 24 hours and be fine

[@ohhellwhereami2574]

And?he can't come back​@@yarc9

[@yarc9]

@@ohhellwhereami2574 dc multiverse is beyond time and space

[@yarc9]

@@ohhellwhereami2574 superheroes can’t stay dead

[@yarc9]

@@ohhellwhereami2574 Batman can survive falling from earth too outer space

[@redreaper9622]

I think you’re mostly right, but I do think the take “Goku’s never fought anyone with his skill level,” is straight up wrong, and that you missed one thing. The thing in question: In the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai, Goku uses the wind punch technique-Whipping his hand so hard he sends a gust of air forward on Chi-Chi. This is directly cited by Piccolo to be apart of the Demon Folk’s/Demon Clansman/Demons fighting Style/Move. So Goku would also seemingly know extraterrestrial fighting styles (Batman has similar, as recently he styled on Supergirl with a KRYPTONIAN Fighting Style she didn’t even know.) Second, Grandpa Gohan and Roshi served as Goku’s Martial Arts equals, but even ignoring that, it’s not just Cell. Goku Black, the Goku Doll (in the Anime), himself in Image Training, there’s Android 21 (given you used the films I believe it’s worth noting), and copies of himself in FighterZ, so on and so forth. Just generally speaking, it has happened decently enough to say that copying him-(Which is basically everyone at this point, with Granolah gaining his abilities via wish, Buu’s mimicry, Broly’s adaptable copy martial art, etc.)-Would not be effective at all and that he can certainly handle people of his own skill level. That said, Batman has MORE feats of this, so I’m not campaigning for Goku’s victory. I just think you overlooked a detail or two.

[@sonnywoods6846]

yes the demon clan fighting style techincally is the namekian fighting style. Plus Goku has his saiyan instincts

[@user-lp8im7ow8s]

There are multiple martial artists with that copying ability, especially Shiva , Whom at one point was not as skilled as Batman. So it doesn't matter

[@redreaper9622]

@@user-lp8im7ow8s It's not about their ability to copy? It was that Goku fights martial arts equals, situations which were created due to fighting copycat fighters.

[@Publius_Vergilius]

I aint readin allat

[@Lost_SoNy]

"Goku’s never fought anyone with his skill level" I agree with you all these characters at the bottom fought with the same level as Goku at one time or another [not Beerus / Whis] Grandpa Gohan master Roshi Krilin Ten Shin Han Piccolo Vegeta Beerus Whis....I'm not going to put it all because there are too many

[@sansbazinga9821]

The correct answer is the winner is whoever the writer wants to be the winner.

[@ohhellwhereami2574]

Or maybe who has higher bias!

[@detectiveplays]

Not if theyre in different verses

[@StevenJones851]

Batman Solo's

[@theepic1944]

That's what Stan Lee would say.

[@InfinityPlaysReal]

Went from thinking "Goku slams with UI" to "why do they have the exact same skill set" during the equal stats part

[@poketdoom]

Batman has precog, can predict enemy’s movements, and has dodged omega beams as a normal human, etc. If he as a normal human dodging omega beams imagine what he could do at Goku’s level

[@Handle_Space_Goblon]

If only a fucking gun didn't kill him 😅​@@poketdoom

[@markstriker925]

​@@poketdoomBatman would be the strongest human Ki User in the DB world.

[@aminedekkal3325]

​@@markstriker925 no

[@ImSakataGintokiComeAtMe]

@@aminedekkal3325he totally would, he’s batman after all

[@speedbeyondlogic]

goku in his base form was able to follow gas and granola having a IT fight. In his base form was able to know exactly what a clone of tien was about to do with his back facing him. He reacted to a teleblitz from granola. In his base form was able to predict where hit a time manipulating assassin with 1,000 years of experience who had ssb level stats, was skipping forward in time and vanishing, and was making himself unreadable would be. Goku in his base form also tagged hit, reacted to his attacks and was keeping up with him. At one point he moved to a location hit would be before hit got there. He can also sense malice. Is able to predict exactly what someone's going to do without looking at them. And goku's instincts made his body avoid an attack he couldn't sense that would've ended him. This is all without ui. And in ui goku's moves get more fine tuned. Goku can also match attacks at the exact speed and angle and cancel them out. Base goku was beating ssj 2 caulifa with his skills. And when using ui in base it made goku with his eyes closed easily avoid attacks ssj vegeta was struggling with. Goku can read someone's movements and is capable of adapting. I don't see batman beating goku in equal stats. Especially if goku can use ui. Also god bind. IT. Clones. Barrier creation around himself and his opponent. Kiai attacks. Soaring fist. Healing. Skin tight ki barrier that can block out absolute zero temps and block out poison that rots the body and causes blindness. Base goku caught off guard was resisting hakai that golden frieza put him in. Ssb goku using ui made fully awakened granola's vital attacks not be effective and fully awakened granola took out ue vegeta's strongest attack and beat him.

[@SlyGuyMorad]

Are we going to pretend like Goku isn’t going to LITERALLY rip Batman APART? Goku is literally fucking Superman but without the Kryptonite weakness!! Batman has no fucking chance in hell.

[@jakebarkerr4519]

Bro is trolling at this point

[@SupermanYT.]

The ONLY way for batman to win is using the element X Batsuit. Throw away the prep and Batmans just done

[@jamainegardner4193]

For the Equal stats round, wouldn't Goku's Ki abilities beat out Bruce's gear?

[@kadeemheron5041]

Yeah the ki abilities don't seem to be brought up

[@zayzillions7319]

Even with equal stats Goku would still have Batman beat as he’s fought adaptive beings like himself as well learning an opponent’s abilities and be able to copy and use them as naturally as his own abilities

[@Chefpepe-n2e]

Yeah. He probably would even die from a ki ability

[@GLMZIGM]

Depends on the gear you give to Bruce

[@user-lp8im7ow8s]

​@@zayzillions7319Addressed in the video, Batman's been doing it way longer against better opponents, it doesn't matter.

[@daviddavis3939]

Okay, before watching I am gonna put down my opinion. I love batman, favorite superhero. Goku stomps, always. Goku has been training in martial arts with the greatest teachers on earth since childhood and with universal teachers for most of his adult life. While batman has more consistently specific labels on his training, Goku has had arguably better teachers and a wide range of techniques to use. Random encounter, no contest Goku. Prep time, Goku doesn't have the same easily exploited weaknesses as superman. There are no miniature red suns provided by the atom, no kyrptonite weapons, no magical artifacts that can neg Goku or his durability. And considering an off guard Goku tanked a hakai in canon I don't know what batman could possibly offer that has the same outright hax as existence erasure. Unless maybe he gets his Crisis suit that was literally armor made of the ability to manipulate plot(a hliarious but I am guessing unintentional commentary on how batman is viewed by a lot of people).

[@GLMZIGM]

So after you watched the video, has your opinion changed on the 1st and 3rd rounds? Just asking

[@DarthLord-eq5wp]

W

[@user-lp8im7ow8s]

Brainiac> every teacher Goku had , Batman's deductive skills allowed him to predict faster than he can ( for a time and this applies to his combat)

[@joshuameraz2826]

@@user-lp8im7ow8sBRO goku has trained by those in heaven and even an angel what are you on????

[@waffleten9750]

​@joshuameraz2826 And? At literally no point, did Whis and King Kai trained Goku how you fight better. Only ways to make him stronger by being a training dumy (whis) or teaching him techniques. After RoshI and Gohan, AT BEST, maybe Popo. He's never shown to be training to be a better fighter. And he doesn't have that many more moves than Batman. He has basic ki attacks. Maybe you can give him all of the Z fighters shit but that's an extra shut that's just copying and pasting what he can already do.

[@aminedekkal3325]

The equal stats i don't really have a problem But the last one i am pretty much sure goku can figure out things that affect his mind specials illusions

[@StevenJones851]

Batman would use so many different illusions and Gagets on Goku to win

[@danielhounshell2526]

​@@StevenJones851 UI is basically a direct counter to that sort of thing, and he's capable of using it in base without meaningfully taxing himself. Without that I could maybe see the wonder woman strategy working, but he also detects opponents by changes in air currents, not just ki. He'd know pretty quickly that something was wrong. With UI there's zero chance of this working, as he'd immediately know that there was no real physical threat against him.

[@StevenJones851]

@@danielhounshell2526 except the fact that ultra instinct can be countered by outspeeding the evasive speed of it or Waiting for his Accourcy to go down or straight up overpowering it through raw power strength and speed as shown with Kelfa Jiren Morro Granola Gas Black Frieza And Beast Gohan so no ultra instinct isn't invincible while he did lose to Gas Granola Black Frieza and Beast Gohan in the form he almost lost to Jiren Kelfa and Morro showing that Ultra instinct has high Power and Speed but it's Endurance Stamina and Durability or Lower than Ultra Ego's Abilities showing that once Batman finds out one these Weaknesses of Ultra instinct Goku's gonna be Dead in 30 minutes or Less

[@punkcobi8953]

5:52 im listening and chilling and i look down to see a car tumbling at a kids 😂

[@yashaoftheflames8475]

8:50 I think bringing up destructo disk could have been a good point since in the show it can hurt opponents far stronger than the user

[@tempest5145]

It negates durability so strength doesn't really mean much.

[@detectiveplays]

​@@tempest5145it doesnt negate it entirely if theyre way way stronger like agaisnt jiren or cell

[@zolelwavanqa6745]

​@@detectiveplaysIt was stated by Akira Toriyama that it cuts through anything with no exceptions

[@detectiveplays]

@@zolelwavanqa6745... Cell

[@pailmaster1964]

@@zolelwavanqa6745 you havn't watched the cell saga or payed attention to the cell saga go watch it then come back

[@one_tricky_boi]

“Ah yes my prep time technique I haven’t used this since the heian era” - Batman maybe

[@emm6101]

Yes, he almost won the world martial arts tournament as a kid. Roshi had to step in from stopping him so he woulnt realize he was already peak martial arts.

[@Azureitsu]

"Stand proud Goku, you are strong."

[@SergioRodriguez-bx3ot]

For the equal stats I think that Bruce instints are still not comparable to ultra instint that can theraticly help to doge attacks faster than yourself, like when Goku and Vegeta were shot from the forest by Granola. And the time skip prediction looks better. Granola could see vital points yet Goku countered. I think Goku could be better. But even if Bruce has hand to hand Goku´s habilities are far better than Batman´s arsenal: Ki blast are more flexible can be redirected better than the batmerangs. Goku can fly, make shields, telekinesis, teleport, make a giant proyection of himself, ilusions and fighted all kind of tricks with Zamasu, Moro, Granola and Gas.Not to mencion Goku can resist against oponents hundrets of times stronger(ssj blue vs Gas)

[@user-lp8im7ow8s]

Batman's reacted to the Flash and Superman on numerous occasions, and he still mastered that technique casually, while it takes thousands of years or more for deities to do it . Speed also isn't a factor here.

[@joshuameraz2826]

@@user-lp8im7ow8severything you said litteraly does not matter because the stats are equalized here. Either way goku id fsr more powerful then everything u just named

[@TheGreatSaiyaman69]

If we’re using prep then goku can train, + using equal stats but then making batman equal to UI is wild

[@akeemreese1050]

Lonk’s Takes did you forget that goku has learned how to use ultra instinct in his base. And and his other weaker forms .From whis an angel older than time itself.

[@psebb3502]

Batman: Copies and makes a unique technique from goku's martial arts Goku: Copies it Repeat

[@SunnyC.D.A221]

Realistically speaking, Bats would probably treat Goku the same way he treats Superman, and Goku would treat Batman like he does Bulma

[@Nellak2011]

Before watching the video, my initial take is that it would be even. However, after thinking about it a little, I think Goku would win. If we assume equal stats, no armor (plot or otherwise), and as much prep as they want, then I think the fight would start even, but then through the course of the fight Goku would adapt to Batman and overcome him as he always does to overwhelming threats.

[@arkkon2740]

This only happens because they take their time constantly. Fights in dragon ball take many minutes to maybe days across multiple encounters, Goku has never actually gone from matching to overpowering an opponent without getting a power up in the middle of a fight

[@MyAramil]

@@arkkon2740 That is incorrect. there are many fights in which he does not need a power up to match or surpass an opponent and had to redo his combat thinking

[@arkkon2740]

@@MyAramil that's usually in the fights with side antagonists. The ginyu force, universe 2's fights, vs nappa, and quite a few more. The main fights are the ones where he need rematches and amps, and frankly those are the only fights that mattered; King Piccolo, Beerus, Jiren, Frieza, Moro. All of them needed extra prep time or a power up

[@KingLewis52]

Goku killing him as soon as the fight starts

[@FinalFullMetalGamer]

But what about Ultra Instinct being a state so "perfect" that, according to Granolah, doesn't have any weak spot? Even to Granolah who has almost a natural Byakugan and is a pressure points master, he couldn't detect any openings.

[@StarWarsElseworlds]

Batman only wins with plot armor and writer bias. On a logical and practical level Batman is NOT beating Goku at all. Goku is a godlike superhuman, while Batman is just an above average man/human. Setting their stats to equal doesn’t make any sense, it’s a cheap cop out to lamely justify Batman beating Goku which would never happen with bias set aside .

[@AListProductions]

Facts. Only way Batman wins is by picking up the phone and calling the justice league

[@bulletxwound3559]

Fr bro no way Batman survives half the shit he does without DC's godly plot armor. Somehow dude survives darkseid's omega beams

[@Dragonscar576]

I’ve seen alot of Batman comics and most of it is plot armor he survived a fall from space by landing in damn snow he’s body would’ve blown apart or some shit and the fact that he survived basically unharmed is bull

[@jbrosupra]

Dude said that Bruce had better training and Goku never fights anyone stronger. His video is a joke

[@johnmcintosh631]

The problem I have with prep time is that it's only assumed that batman would get the prep time and not the other way around.

[@mike_datzmag1c21]

Exactly, Goku isn’t exactly outta tune to counter a peak condition human who has no ki control but uses gadgets…whether it’s the same or not Goku on the way to namek trained immensely to surpass Vegeta(after Vegeta received zenkais during arrival to namek and after zarbon fight)..I feel Goku would acknowledge what Batman can do but can’t physically challenge him so he wouldn’t spar just defeat Bruce

[@GLMZIGM]

The thing is, what exactly is Goku gonna do with that prep time, I'm assuming we ain't just gonna let him ring up Bulma to create some EMP or something that will counter all the Batsuits (though I doubt an EMP would even work, but Bulma can do more than that) Batman actually has things he does with this prep time, he literally has a chair that will tell him the answer ro everything, and I mean EVERYTHING, he could just ask "How do I beat Goku?" And he has an instant answer

[@mike_datzmag1c21]

@@GLMZIGM Goku used to prep time to go inside the hyperbolic chamber to train n level up vs cell and also on the way to namek cuz he barely was able to survive vs Vegeta. I think Goku would use that time to take a look at what arts Bruce fights with and master them(not outside his character to do) he could deal with tech stuff by deflecting or just blasting them.

[@GLMZIGM]

@@mike_datzmag1c21 So are you telling me that you think Goku, could learn Batmans fighting style that is so unique that Wonderwoman couldn't replicate it for years? Yeah that's unlikely, using prep time to train for someone weaker than you is also just redundant, why would you train to surpass someone tbat you already surpassed in the first 10 episodes of your own show?

[@mike_datzmag1c21]

@@GLMZIGM Bruce physically the weaker opponent but Goku would study those moves by Batman to sharpen his technique, the prep would be to improve how well he could learn or counter Bruce’s skill..regardless if Wonder Woman wasn’t able to master it Goku has shown ability to learn quickly by nature. Goku learned a technique that Roshi couldn’t perfect til he was much older…then eventually made it his own n used the kamehameha with more versatility. Diana is part of a warrior culture but sayains are bred to be warriors as well, they adapt quick as well…Goku tapped into his ultra instinct n it wasn’t perfected but he was getting the hang of something even Gods couldn’t tap into. You’re underestimating his ability to learn skill n technique..

[@eaglest0554]

I feel like Goku would probably lose the equalized stats round, but not because of being outskilled, but rather just batman being more focused on finishing the fight while Goku would be busy having fun with it. He'd probably accidentally let himself fall behind and just not be able to get back into the advantage before batman closed it out.

[@wiesmin7559]

Equal power level - Goku wins with MUI. Random encounter - Goku wins without problem. Prep time - Goku wins. With nanite he will destroy everything around him while fighting, including Batman, with suit that allowed Batman to fight Darkside, still losing to MUI.

[@MikePSU]

This is a ridiculous thought. Goku stomps without even transforming LOL

[@xavierwalko4175]

Lonk went to the final stage of power scaling: "Goku Beats Fiction because I SAY SO" VS Batman with prep time.

[@AppleOfIdunn]

I think a cool way for Goku to realise he isn't fighting a real person is if UI doesn't do anything while fighting, cause his body can tell it isn't an actual threat cause it doesn't exist

[@jbrosupra]

Yeah. That was fucking weird. Goku has ki and can sense shit. And he's dealt with crap like that before.

[@chrishansen9102]

It really does feel in character I wouldn't be surprised if Goku actually want to get inffected by Nano machines just having opportunity to fight something or someone even more stronger thankl

[@lordnul1708]

I generally consider equal stats to be "the stronger one (physically) is holding back their raw strength so that both can see where the other is in terms of skill"

[@zgreatgamer306]

Ultra instinct is fighting without thinking and goku would have to think to be manipuladed by the nano bug thing

[@NordicWiseguy]

If we are using balanced stats then Batman's gadgets should also be banned. No batarangs, no knockout gases etc... Without fancy gadgets Goku would pummel Batman. Batman isn't even the most skilled martial artist in DC. That title belongs to Wonder Woman.

[@joshuameraz2826]

You do realize even with them goku has a wide variety of ki abilities like litteraly a destructo disk would kill batman 😭

[@beastmoder0980]

Personally i disagree. His gadgets are a intrinsic part of his fighting style, would you remove kid gokus power pole, King Arthur's Excalibur or doom guys guns? Also the destructo disk is known for being dodged.

[@DavePickles-r2r]

​@@beastmoder0980dodged by God level beings, also don't tell me about batman dodging omega beams even though he can still lose to bane

[@grintv6238]

​@@DavePickles-r2rgoku can literally be hurt if he's caught off guard. He nearly died to a laser pistol and took damage in super saiyan form a rock being tossed at his head.

[@DavePickles-r2r]

@@grintv6238 and saitama has trouble opening a bag of chips and catching a mosquito,and got scratched by a cat

[@VideoGameMasters09]

The only problem I see with the nanite is that it better be built of super incredible other-dimensional stuff because it would most likely shatter when Goku starts transforming. Also I'm sure Goku fighting some imaginary enemy with all he's got would most likely endanger the entire planet.

[@BlackheArt-lo1up]

Goku figured out Hit's time skip and counter it by feinting, basically dictating his opponents movement to catch him. He almost took Jiren off the arena with basic skills.

[@vegitob]

"With enough prep time..."

[@surgeweirdo1464]

if batman scales up to Goku then Goku wins since batman could just trap him in a rope at his level. At Gokus level, batmans arsonal will do nothing.

[@absolutleynotanalien8096]

As a result of Gokus supper speed, every time we see him sparing after original dragon ball he's actually sparing for far longer from his perspective. This means he has even more combat experience.

[@jbrosupra]

Imagine saying Bruce has better training when Goku trained with Gohan, roshi, Kirin, popo, kame, King Kai, grand Kai, whis, merus. Dudes delusional and a DC stan for sure

[@Dimumouto]

If the nanites in the Tower of Babel story are just holograms, I'd say Goku would be able to deduce something is wrong fairly quickly. Yes, he can't sense the ki of mechanical beings, but that wouldn't effect his ability for his body to feel impacts. We know mental manipulation can be overcome through sheer force of will via Babidi and Vegeta, so it wouldn't be a long shot to say Goku could overcome this fairly easily. Not to mention, how much time would Batman need to make one of those things that could withstand ki? Not attacks, but just the power in general. Think of it like short circuiting something; too much ki flowing through the body could render it useless. But punches that can destroy the universe? No, he does not have that lol.

[@sptflcrw8583]

Wonder Woman was fooled by the nanites, and she has far more experience and skill than even batman himself.

[@Dimumouto]

@sptflcrw8583 That doesn't refute my statement. Her fighting ability against Batman has nothing to do with mind control. Would ki short out the machine? Could Goku overcome its mind altering properties, since we've seen characters overcoming *magical* mind control? I'm positing that yes, he can overcome it in some way. There's a lot more to this question than 'lol the nanite renders Goku useless against Batman'.

[@sptflcrw8583]

@Dimumouto I'm not sure why Ki would affect the nanite unless Goku specifically targets it. Goku has been shown to be vulnerable to things such as Lavender's poison before, so I doubt his ki would passively destroy the nanite. As for Goku overcoming the nanite, that's also unlikely. The nanite isn't mind controlling you, it's messing with your perception, which again, Goku has been shown to be vulnerable to. Roshi, Dercori, and Lavender have all demonstrated the ability to alter the perception of other fighters who use Ki. Goku himself even was made to battle against illusions of his past foes along with Krillin. So I don't think he could just overpower the nanite.

[@Dimumouto]

@@sptflcrw8583 Had to refresh my memory on who Lavender and Dercori were, but even then, I'd still say Goku could overcome it. Poisons are, well, poisons, which are deadly to any mortal creature. I don't remember Goku *actually* fighting Lavender, but after a quick readup, I guess that episode was just forgettable? Anyways, I don't think his poison is comparable to nanites, since the poison *actually* effects you while the nanite just gaslights you. Dercori on the other hand raises an interesting question; if her illusions are generated by *her own ki*, that would explain why Roshi thought they were real. Since its her own energy signature he feels from them. If the nanite somehow was able to utilize ki, most likely Goku's, I think Goku would be able to sense something is off if the holograms (which are typically projections of light/energy, AKA ki) had his ki signature. If THAT is the case, then Goku outpouring ki in the fight could possibly overcharge the nanite (since it would need to constantly feed off the ki). If it ran off a self sustaining battery, even then, its possible it could be shocked via ki. Electronics are fucking *weird*, a simple static shock when I was plugging in an external hard drive completely *ruined* said drive (but not the USB port I was shocked by). I'm saying its plausible, and with how some tech reacts with ki within the Dragonball universe as is, DCU tech would likely react the same way. That's not even going into who is being projected, how Batman would even get the information to create said holograms (unless he used his own villains), and how Goku would react to it all. Cause saying the same guy who figured out Hits technique and how to counter it can be defeated by a simple hologram? That's a mighty fucking leap.

[@sptflcrw8583]

@Dimumouto the nanites are physically affecting you, more than even the poison would. They are physically tampering with your brain and injecting chemicals to make you perceive things that aren't actually there. Goku has never shown the ability to use Ki to affect him internally. If that was the case, he could easily use it to attack and destroy the heart virus or Lavender's poison, but he was unable to do that. Batman already has the tech, and "beating" the illusion is impossible. It's an illusion, after all. It's not real. It can give the appearance of being as strong as it wants to be.

[@cristofirrhamilton2966]

Batman’s prep a really comically big hospital needle, fight over

[@Teekayhuey_TK]

17:03 You shouldn't just blindly believe 1 page scans. The next page of that comic( Tales of the unexpected vol 2 issue 4) has Spectre literally said he let it happen to make him feel better.

[@GLMZIGM]

He went and decided to not count that

[@Teekayhuey_TK]

@GLMZIGM The problem is that he disqualified it on the basis of being an outlier rather than the fact that it factually only happened because spectre is trolling batman is the problem. This is what makes people who scale dc using only KZbin videos become so confused. They actually think DC writers just blindly make characters do what ever they want power scale wise, but that isn't true if you actually read the comics. Actually, DC fans don't make it simple either. Heck, the Justice League dies in a game, and somehow, they lose their minds

[@googleisinvasive5067]

Guy's even if Goku detects the nanite giving him an equal opponent with unlimited stamina. What makes you think Goku would want to remove it? An unending fight with the perfect opponent. Saiyans would kill for that experience. And Goku knows his friends will just wish him back with the dragon balls. Hell Goku paid Hit to kill him knew he would die and gleefully went for it. He would thank Batman.

[@pablo1006pr]

i mean at this point i am pretty sure batman belt should've an IA that just makes things he needs at the moment.

[@eaglest0554]

The equal stats thing in this particular scenario is kinda weird because of how drastically different things would be balanced to goku's power, batman's, or the midpoint. The higher they go, the more it tilts in the favor of Goku of course. At god level, almost all of batman's gadgets would be nearly useless, and the fact that if they were Goku scaled their durability would be a good bit higher than their attack potential means that goku's higher level of physical adaptability like moving his vitals away from granola's attacks with ui would have more time to swing it in his favor. Can't do pressure point target attacks if the pressure points themselves shift when you go for them.

[@surgeweirdo1464]

Goku would just get angry or something then be way stronger anways. Can't really put him up against a "human"

[@dustedjotaro3078]

A funny wincon with those nanites is if Goku accidentally blows up the planet due to being so in the zone

[@heeroshadow6]

Batman raise to goku level is terrifying..

[@Ultimate_Gamer_3000]

I never liked the "[x] has more experience than Goku because he rarely fights people on his level" argument. I won't even lie to you, in later Z Goku took massive steps back to let everyone else fight because he knew he couldn't be around forever but since day one all the way up until about the android saga he's almost exclusively fought people who were either stronger than him or had some ability or equipment that gave them an edge over him all the way up until he fought the main villain of the saga. Yeah his opponents weren't stronger than him or near his level statwise, discarding the whole reason it was considered a fight to start with is negligent. That's like saying a burger on white sandwich bread isn't a burger because it doesn't have burger buns on it.

[@Ceratisa]

Late but I recently found your channel so. You with equal stats you should set them to a defined equal level. Like saiyan saga goku. Cause kid goku will have comparatively weak ki attacks. Additionly, some of batman's gear simply can't scale to all levels. That said how you handled equal stats was well done. Batman is all about disabling which often involves beating people far above his stats.

[@jbrosupra]

Dude said Bruce had better training and instincts. Goku reacted in light speed against tien as a child. He's trained with roshi, grandpaw Gohan, Kirin, popo, kame, King Kai, grand Kai, all the best fighters of all time while doing so from the entire universe, whis, and merus. All while fighting nothing but stronger enemies every arc while he said Goku only fights equals. This was the shittiest video I've ever seen like this

[@darktigersharkmax4432]

Wish you went into more depth on goku's moveset and other abilities like: Telekinesis, Kiai, afterimage, ki landmines, solar flare, etc. It wouldn't change the outcome just wish you mentioned them is all.

[@MyAramil]

As soon as he mentioned that goku has never fought someone of his skill level or higher I knew this was bunk. Vageta has been stated to be more skilled than goku, yet time and time again goku beats him. He has fought against Cell who has been combined from multiple opponents and has their skills and abilities, yet goku and his son where able to stop him. He has fought against Beerus multiple times.

[@jbrosupra]

He said Bruce had better training. Goku literally trained with the best martial artist in the world and multiple gods and angels.

[@mancub187]

I think the only way batman could beat goku would be with that nano bot thing he used on wonderwoman. Also does same stats mean that batman's gear is also updrageded? His baterangs and explosions wouldn't make a difference due to their durability. I feel like there is some discuss as to whether smokes or poisons could work. But loved the video thanks!

[@ancientking224]

I honestly expected for Batman to take the win, especially after Death Metal merging all of the Batmen together. That said thank you for mentioning the sheer mastery of skills Goku has, as many just think he just some strong alien who is claimed to be a martial artist but doesn't show it.

[@EdehEmmanuel-d7r]

Yeah I even hear some stupid persons say that garou is more skilled than Goku yeah let that sink in

[@aminedekkal3325]

The fact that you need a batman merged with possibly infinite version with himself just to have a little advantage against Goku Imagine using xeno Goku who kinda achieved omnipresent in the game

[@EdehEmmanuel-d7r]

@@aminedekkal3325 batman have done things Goku have done before merging with his other ones

[@aminedekkal3325]

@@EdehEmmanuel-d7r Goku never merged with another version of him The point is that this batman skill is basically coming from a lot of other version of himself

[@EdehEmmanuel-d7r]

@@aminedekkal3325 I wasn't talking about Goku I was talking about batman and those versions of batman is what he is currently

[@tuckerchadwick9202]

With the equal stats there are many things that you forgot to consider, though without these things you're probably correct, here are all that I can think of at the moment that you didn't consider: if the equal stats go to Bruce's level because if equal stats go to Goku's level then none of Bruce's equipment would affect Goku, it's been shown in dbz and dbs in both anime and manga that neither blades nor bullets can affect Goku unless he is tired or the blade or bullet, though usually blade, is infused with enough ki to be able to, which keep in mind Bruce has no access to his ki, making his batarangs, tasers, guns etc. ineffective as well as no matter which of the two equal stats goes to Goku has the destructo disk which is shown multiple times to be able to cut someone much stronger than them, i.e. freeza, Vegeta, etc. which bruce has no counter for that I am aware of, and the vital and pressure points it is stated that in ui or mui Goku has none of, meaning that if it is Bruce's stats for both Goku has quite a few more things that you didn't account for, in my opinion tipping the scales, and if it's Goku's stats Batman's chances quickly dwindle, though this is all my opinion with my limited knowledge of dc so I have no idea if the bat can overcome these extra things so feel free to correct me if you can

[@GLMZIGM]

Well, if it's brought down to Bruce's level then the point about the destructo disk falls flat on it's face, also Bruce dodged Darkseids Omega beams before (idk what the writers are on half the time)

[@alessandrowarna3237]

Equal stata means that Goku’s durability is the same as that of batman

[@tuckerchadwick9202]

@@alessandrowarna3237 I know, that doesn't change anything of what I said, if it's Bruce's stats Bruce has a chance against Goku, if it's Goku's stats Bruce's chances dwindle quite a bit

[@MyAramil]

Before Goku met Roshi and surpassed him he had been shot by bulma many times and they bounced off of him harmlessly. So that alone would dictate that the batarangs would not work against him.

[@michaellevin2861]

Goku starting in base but having transformations isn't quite as unfair under the equal stats assumption, given how many actual Batsuits Batman has gone through. Such as his Arkham Knight armor that is specifically built to allow Batman to be quicker on his feat, deliver devastating counters, and lessen damage taken. Or the Hellbat, or Final Batsuit. Not quite the same as a transformation, but still. And Goku is only shown with proficiency in attacking with one weapon, the Power Pole. But he has shown capability to defend against other weapon users, such as Trunks and multiple foes in the ToP. On the flipside, Batman has mastered multiple weapons and can easily pick up anything around to use, along with defending against weapons.

[@arkkon2740]

The problem is the fact that Batman doesn't have a batcave in his pocket to instantly put on suits at will. Most of goku's transformations take less than a second to pop off, but despite how many suits batman has at that moment, whatever suit he has stays on for that whole fight

[@michaellevin2861]

@@arkkon2740 No, but he has a lot of automated tech that can drop a pod with a suit, or a dozen suits if he asked, in like a minute. And we all know Goku would allow it provided Batman lets him know it's his way to power up. Goku wants all his foes at the strongest. And that's if he doesn't get into a fight on his own turf, because Batma has like, 4 batcaves, some lesser, across Gotham. As I recall one's actually on Arkham Island. The man is known for his security.

[@arkkon2740]

@@michaellevin2861 from the batcave to some secluded wasteland is still gonna take a bit of time. Not only that but if Goku transformed knowing batman wasn't holding back and he's still winning, I doubt he'll let him re-suit into something crazy unless he was told about jt

[@TheKnight-nc7qn]

12:19 does anybody know what comic is the one on there right i've been searching for it for a while

[@1wayroadAccel.]

finally a fight between two characters where they both have insanely huge amount of (like 95% amount) meat riders inside the fanbase!! Let's gooo!!!

[@khaostheking3070]

(Batman whooping Goku) Batman: *TALK* Goku: "H-hey it's m-me Go..ku"

[@kevin1212345]

One thing u missed is batman is a street fighter. He doesn't have rules in a fight except don't kill them. Goku enjoys the fight and will try to prolong it. I don't remember a time besides frost that he fought a guy like that. And even then it's not like he was trying to disable him by break bones or dislocated joints

[@sayajin8773]

Tell that to frieza getting slapped as an insult by goku and disrespectfully throwing him around like a rag doll

[@jordanglasper1064]

The thing about Batman not have a wars in a fight other than killing is false. Because that man beyond movie. And there are many comic books that state he could be a low fighter. It’s kind of a conundrum because if somebody’s able to do a bad tactic or deed on you but you’re not able to stop them from doing that, are you genuinely the superior fighter?

[@kevin1212345]

@jordanglasper1064 he would still be the most aggressive fighter as far as eliminating or disabling ur opponent that goku ever fought. Also goku gets caught a lot during his fights. But his opponents never go for a kill or a break when they do. Freiza topo whiz raditz (vegeta kinda he did break him) but he also didn't in there 2nd fight.

[@InfinityPlaysReal]

This got me thinking, in the same format, cell vs batman could also be interesting

[@zolelwavanqa6745]

Cell's regenerative abilities would be too much for Batman's weapons.

[@jbrosupra]

He would just say Bruce has better genetics

[@Beyonder-l1s]

hey lonkstakes would Characters like uub Piccolo be masters at all forms of martial arts?

[@ojpickle5923]

GT Uub might since he trained with Goku for 5 years

[@feline2322]

Ultra instinct would be a game changer

[@Papa_Burton]

"I am vengeance! I am the night! I am Batman!"- Kevin Conroy a.k.a THE Batman.

[@jiminycricket5679]

My only gripe is when you say it doesn't matter if they equalize at Goku's or Batman's power levels. I don't think Batman's standard array of gadgets mean anything if they're equalized to Goku's power. Great vid tho

[@mattmcwhirt4146]

Equal stats goku slams. Goku can still fly, and Ssgss multiplier is insane like 4 billion multiplier to base. Your “equal stats” is a huge down play to goku. Goku in ui has equal stats to batman that would mean if goku powers down to base he would be billions of times weaker than batman.

[@arkkon2740]

So how do you want the fight to go? If he's equal to base, then someone is just gonna say Goku immediately transforms at the start. As a matter of fact, you said exactly that

[@mattmcwhirt4146]

@@arkkon2740 that’s tough, you can’t just nerf one character that hard. For example Batman will never win a Superman vs Batman equal stats bc superman can just fly to the sun and get stronger. A better video would be yamcha vs Batman equal stats!!

[@irishrandomer5497]

I think prep time Batman is having a harder time with Goku than Wonder woman, especially if you give both prep time, Goku will know he will pull something cheap and UI could be out before Batman could administer the nanite. That's not considering Bulma could be of use but it isn't Goku and Bulma vs Batman. If I give Batman the same options of using others to help but not beat Goku, the issue becomes what's considered beating Goku, the landing blow, the plan or who does the most damage. Maybe he could get a magic user to spell the nanite into his head, Bulma could have a way to counter act the nanite. A magic version of the nanite might work but then that might not be considered Batman vs Goku at that point, and Goku might just overpower it as hacks in Dragonball can be countered by just being more powerful. Batman has a chance with prep time but it's probably more 50/50 than it appears on the surface.

[@LunaKurenai-bw9gs]

The only way id see batman winning is by 2 things 1 telling him the cell is a training room 2 just giving this goku food in the jail cell to keep him there

[@JustSomeGokuEnjoyer2]

Great video as always , one thing i don't agree with is the first round being close specially since Batman is getting his gear

[@DarthBobCat]

Batman: First, discombobulate.

[@AxlEXE-qz6vh]

Alright I got a good one Could the Sayain Saga Z warriors stop an invasion from the Ultra Marines

[@alexnunn2161]

Care to clarify what you mean? Because just ‘the Ultra Marines’ is incredibally broad. Do you mean a squad? A company? The entire chapter? Or even the full 300,000 strong might of the pre heresy legion? Though tbh i don’t think even the entire legion would be much of a threat given all of the z fighters (with the exception of chiaotzu) are comfortably moon busters at minumum

[@AxlEXE-qz6vh]

@@alexnunn2161 Well if you put it like that then probably then entire legion, but this would also include Gilliman and Calgar

[@HammerDownFellas]

@@AxlEXE-qz6vhThe Z-Fighters annihilate the entire legion low diff, Goku probably solos by himself

[@AxlEXE-qz6vh]

@@HammerDownFellas Well I still think it would be interesting, especially if earth is declared for Extermination and it gets nuked

[@amogus1415]

​@@AxlEXE-qz6vhEither Yamcha negs the entire legion,or you use warp scaling and you random astartes are actually outerversal and neg dragonball. Theres really no in between💀💀

[@rijadalibegovic6579]

Cool vid, like it a lot but isnt the point of ui fighting without thinking, as in not using your brain to some extent? I just dont think goku would fall for nanobots or something like that

[@jacobgardner3101]

I hate the whole prep time bullshit.

[@LamunesADV]

I think Batman dodging without knowledge is more like Mutenroshi version of it other than Goku's version of it. It's not active all the time and Batman DO get hit by weaker foes a lot.

[@nintendofan1921]

:Goku possibly knows godly martial arts: Then shows a picture of Batman disarming a street thug with a knife- :yeah I see know way batman loses here: 😂😂 had me actually laughing

[@averageguy1469]

Using Batman's tech has failed before as an argument does not prove anything. Yeah, it failed vs the Justice League which are greater than anything in the DB franchise.

[@SGCentral]

I disagree that any of Batman's prep would work for Goku. Wonder Woman's plan worked for her because it forced her to feel like she was in a never-ending battle and she had no way of knowing she wasn't. Goku can literally sense Ki of all living things with exceptions of the Androids, so I don't see that working,. Goku is a character who really doesn't have any weaknesses, so Batman's prep time won't change much. You can't weaken him with a foreign substance, you can't really deceive his senses and you can't stop his attacks because they move too fast for Batman to pick up on. Everytime Superman has lost or struggled against Batman it has either been an equal playing field (Injustice), a weakness like Kryptonite (BvS) or Superman not trying that hard (The Dark Knight Returns). His best bet would be to call in the HellBat suit and try to use that on a Goku with a dropped guard, but even that isn't a guarantee because it could kill Batman while using it for too long.

[@nirual0926]

Phantom Zone

[@ImInLoveWithBulla]

If Michael Phelps couldn’t swim fast, I could beat him.

[@rrose9161]

Goku : I still have the kaioken Batman: kaiowhat Goku ui kaioken x 20 Batman: bloody paste

[@zachg5856]

thank u put that exact type of comment equal stats gets fucked over from kaioken anyone with a skill that multiplies power and not transformation that does is automatically winning usally especially to a such op degree as 20 times

[@averageguy1469]

As long as Red Ribbon is a threat in DBZ Batman wins even without prep.

[@newberryanimation6213]

Now what happens if the nanite is there and he activated ultra instinct

[@newberryanimation6213]

Or worse charged a Kamehameha wave at the planet. None of them can breath in space.

[@newberryanimation6213]

Also you say talking like goku doesn't have more ranged abilitys than batman. So I feel like goku should have more Winn cons on a leveled playing field.

[@michaelfr6290]

I don't really see the nano thingy being fast enough to even get near Goku before he tears batman apart.

[@itagetafinalsusanoo8915]

People trying to say Batman near Goku fighting capabilities is crazy smh Goku is at level grandmaster martial artist on a universal scale just like it’s hard to show Dragon ball z speed it’s hard to define goku Martial artist skills other than statement

[@absolutleynotanalien8096]

What preparations might Goku use against Batman?

[@punkzx2608]

Batman's only available prep is Hellbat armor. He could actually beat goku with that suit. The fight would be legendary

[@ApplesGhost]

If power levels aren't relevant why wouldn't Goku just spam the multiform technique until Bruce is overwhelmed Also, heart attack wouldn't work on Goku because he's revived himself with a ki blast before

[@djb9267]

How is this close? Goku would simply get overwhelmed by Batman, due to how many martial arts he knows. He has access to 127 forms, which is a lot more than what goku has ever showcased. He simply would be unable to counter a specific martial art and just loose.

[@jbrosupra]

Yeah the guy that's considered the best martial artist in the universe by King Kai, trained by two masters that know all types, and then a slew of deities. Multiple gods and angels is the worst martial artist. Come on.

[@djb9267]

@@jbrosupra And what has he learned from them? We know that batman is a master of all known and unknown fighting styles, and has also mastered 127 of them. Goku's training doesn't stack up to that.

[@Akira3202]

Ah yes Batman. The world greatest detective and martial artists, who is consistent fought to a stand still ir beating by a crazy clown. I'd consider his consistent loses to street level opponents to be an anti-feat. The joker isn't implied to have any training but gets the best of Batman regularly.

[@ChromeDaimao]

I don't really see why ur bothering to mention anything from super like it's canon. Goku doesn't need to "transform" to do anything that ultra-crap-stink supposedly gives him, he was taught all of that by popo on kami's lookout way back in dragonball and has definitely beyond mastered it, as some mention in his fight with cell. I'd say at equal stats this probably goes 50/50

[@---tr8fx]

The only way for batman to win, is to fight as bruce wayne. 1: bribe chichi into helping him to fool goku into consuming powerful sedatives and laxatives, made in collaboration with capsule corp and bulma. 2: use the power of money and cheap hookers bribe master roshi into seal the weakened goku with the mafuba. 3: translate and replicate all of babidi's magic 4: hire uranai baba's skills and put an extremely potent mind control spell on goku with babidi's modified spells, and force him to commit atrocities... like actually doing his job to fulfill chichi's pact.

[@duelist4512]

Giving Goku Ultra Instinct in Equal Prep is wack. Even if his physical stats don't change, his reaction time and rate of movement would become better as the state removes the need to think of moving entirely. He'd outpace Bruce, Dodging all his hits and hitting him repeatedly and K.O. him. Comparing what Batman does to it is an insult. Ultra Instinct Goku would kick Batman's ass any day of the week. Even taking Ultra Instinct out of the picture and Batman would STILL be at a disadvantage. Ki is very versitile and trumps Batman's standard toolkit anytime. Gas? One burst of Ki and it's gone. Projectiles? None of them would ever move faster than a Ki Blast and Goku could catch it with Telekinisis. Shock Gloves and Body Armour? Ki can make a shield around Goku's body better than Batman's Armour and block the effects of the gloves. Batman can't sneak him either, Goku can sense his Ki so he'll never have the element of suprise. He might even give the suprise factor to Goku who can teleport. Even taking gear and ki off the table I'd STILL give it to Goku. Batman's training is mainly earthly in nature, Goku has trained with Gods. If one year was equal to 1000, try seven where Goku is also facing off against the Greatest Martial Artists in the afterlife. This is still leaving out the training he does with Whis, who trains a God. Even if we took out Goku's Godly training and limited him to his Earth training, he still beats Batman. Even assuming Goku wouldn't fight in a similar manner as Batman and Batman initially fought better, Goku would just adapt to his way of fighting and do it himself. He wouldn't even need alot of time to figure it out either. Then they'd likely fight each other for a while, each adapting to the other's moves but Goku knows about twice as many Martial Arts as Batman. Batman would run out of moves to use while Goku would still capable of throwing him through a loop. Assuming they don't pass out from exaustion before that point. So you see, even nerfing Goku's Capablities, he'd still be more than a match for Batman at Equal Stats. As For the other Rounds, Goku negs random encounter and Batman beats him with prep.

[@midnightmadness1271]

Little bro Stop Yapping💀

[@Travminer123]

Ultra instinct is not an automatic dodge, goku has been hit before while using it. Bruce could easily land a hit.

[@duelist4512]

​@@Travminer123 Yeah, no. Tbf Ultra Instinct would take the concept of equal stats and ignore it. As I said before, even if Goku's Physical Stats don't increase with the state, his reaction time and decisive movements would, this would make Goku move faster than Batman, not because he's physically faster but because he's making his moves faster than Batman could ever possibly be able to. Batman wouldn't be able to adapt to Goku because he's not following any martial arts in this state, he's making the most optimal movement for anything Batman could throw at him. Ultra Instinct isn't an Instant Dodge, however in an equal stat setting against anyone, it may as well be. Even if Batman DOES get a hit in that Ultra Instinct somehow couldn't dodge, then what? Goku isn't going down in one hit. He'd get the hit in, Goku would then proceed to pummel him some more.

[@Travminer123]

@@duelist4512 I dont think you understand equal stats. Both characters are on equal stats at thier strongest. So goku mui is the same speed as batman, same strength, same reaction time, same everything. The only things it relies on for a vs on equal stats is experience and combat techniques. Bruce wins this because his more skilled and intelligent. The random encounter is pretty obvious that goku just lifts a finger and bruce flops but when it comes to the other 2 bruce takes the win. I understand u are a dbz fanboy and you take "Goku solo's all of fiction" literally but when it comes to scenarios like this goku kinda loses.

[@Travminer123]

and i know for a fact that this is not going to sway you anyway. Im just saying facts right here. While dbz fanboys never accept them as one

[@Red-ud8fd]

A couple notable points, Goku can still fly, and the Kamehameha destroyed half of a Cell that was much stronger than Goku.

[@jocoolshow]

Without watching the vid fully, I’d say…Equal Stats, Batman cooks Goku skill for skill. Goku’s ki abilities are nothing Batman hasn’t seen before and as far as their martial arts prowess goes, Batman and DC as a whole kinda skill stomps DB. Seth the programmer ain’t the be all end all, but he had a pretty comprehensive breakdown on Goku vs Batman in hand 2 hand. Everything for Goku is what we’ve seen, and what he listed for Batman is just some of what he’s done over the years Random Encounter: If it’s normal Batman or Bat family comic Batman, he gets neg diffed. If it’s Justice League or any kind of DC crossover comic Batman, Batman wins. He usually scales accordingly with his skill and tech in the crossover or JL comics And Prep Time…Batman with prep has scales to or beaten people stronger than even Xeno and Heroes Goku so that’s a given DC just has higher metas than DB and Batman someway somehow finds a way to scale to them