Looking to the Sky for Extraordinary Evidence of UAP (UFO's) - with Avi Loeb | Merged Podcast EP 10

Ryan Graves sits down with Professor Avi Loeb, a renowned scientist from Harvard University, to explore the fascinating world of unidentified anomalous phenomena (UAP). As they delve into the profound implications of these mysterious phenomena, they discuss the need for a systematic survey of the sky, the potential technological nature of UAP, and the implications for our understanding of the universe. Join them on this enlightening journey as they probe the depths of UAP and its significance in shaping our perception of the cosmos.
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Chapters:
00:07:53 - Finding Interstellar Partners and the Implications for Humanity
00:10:31 - Galileo Project and the Importance of Adapting to Reality
00:13:03 - The Search for Technological Neighbors in the Universe
00:16:23 - The Arrogance of Assuming We Are the Only Intelligent Species in the Universe
00:19:10 - Our Place in the Universe: A Reality Check
00:22:08 - Interstellar Objects and the Search for Extraterrestrial Life
00:25:20 - The Mystery of Interstellar Objects
00:28:08 - Could Interstellar Objects be Artificially Constructed?
00:31:13 - What was Oumuamua?
00:34:04 - Lessons Learned from Researching Dark Matter
00:37:13 - Searching for Interstellar Objects with the Galileo Project
00:40:01 - Mapping Interstellar Objects with the Webb Telescope
00:42:58 - The Galileo Project and Lifelong Dreams of Postdocs
00:45:50 - The Galileo Project and the Scientific Method for Collecting Data on Unidentified Objects Near Earth
00:48:36 - The Emperor's New Clothes: Challenging Mainstream Science with Anomalous Objects
00:51:08 - Implications of Interstellar Partnerships and the Concept of Panspermia
00:54:26 - Searching for Life on Mars
00:57:28 - Panspermia and the Future of Artificial Intelligence in Space Exploration
01:00:43 - Looking for Extraterrestrial Technology with AI Systems
01:03:53 - The Galileo Project and the Search for Unidentified Objects in the Sky
01:06:56 - Jumping into Philosophy from Military Service
01:10:32 - From Israel to Princeton: My Astrophysics Journey
01:13:25 - From Farming to Astrophysics: My Journey to Harvard and the Academic Establishment
01:16:21 - The Discovery of 2020SO as an Artificial Object
01:19:00 - The Galileo Project and Understanding UAP
01:21:38 - The Possibility of Extraterrestrial Objects and the Difficulty of Discovering New Physics
01:27:38 - Dark Objects in the Sky and the Importance of Reliable Data Collection
01:39:20 - Unprofessional Opposition to Considering Alien Life
01:42:22 - The Importance of Looking Sideways and Pursuing the Unknown
01:48:40 - Belief in Superstition and Scientific Hypotheses
02:00:45 - The Three Phases of Unraveling Truth in Science
02:18:45 - The Honor of Being Recognized by Another Civilization in a Billion Years
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Professor Loeb received a PhD in plasma physics at age 24 from the Hebrew University of Jerusalem (1986) and was subsequently a long-term member at the Institute for Advanced Study in Princeton (1988-1993), where he started to work in theoretical astrophysics. In 1993 he moved to Harvard University where he was tenured three years later. He is now the Frank B. Baird Jr. Professor of Science and former chair of the department.
Professor Loeb also holds a visiting professorship at the Weizmann Institute of Science and a Senior Professorship by special appointment in the School of Physics and Astronomy at Tel Aviv University.
Loeb has authored over 1000 research articles and 8 books. For full publications and biographies, visit his professional site.
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[@CalloohCalley]

I could listen to Dr. Loeb talk all day. He's so excited and happy about science. It makes you happy listening to him.

[@Penrose707]

Thank you Ryan for being so respectful towards Dr. Loeb. Great podcast, thanks for posting

[@dr.strangelove7739]

Great interview, Ryan! Best interview with Avi I have ever seen. It’s hard to have an interesting conversation with a guy as smart as Avi, but you hung with him the entire interview.

[@itzajdmting]

LOL Ryan is extremely smart himself, come on now.

[@rgreisler]

Top notch guest Avi is and fascinating to listen to - love your Podcast, Ryan - keep it coming! 👍

[@TheBlackClockOfTime]

Ryan is one of, if not THE best podcast host on this planet. Unless the aliens at the bottom of the ocean have some really good ones. Who else can sit quietly and actually listen to their guest talk for 10 minutes straight.

[@friendlyone2706]

PS I just finished a sci fi (or, re-finished) about the deep ocean community. If a technological intelligence aids survival, and if ocean life came first, then there should be an advanced high tech civilization down there. It's logical.

[@BURDYMAN777]

​@@friendlyone2706possible*

[@obsidianzarok2361]

Thanks for keeping this going it means a lot to me.

[@0010-c5k]

That clock prop is amazing... that whole room is amazing

[@Chuckinglead]

thanks to both of you let's get the answers we all deserve!

[@in_10z]

I've read a lot of his work. Avi is one awesome human. Great show today!

[@leeofallon9258]

Not sure I agree with or even pretend to understand all that Avi touched on, but a challenge comes through clearly and I concur wholeheartedly: Stop the Stigma!

[@chrissie1057]

Thank you. Avi is interesting, logical and gutsy.

[@adbe1646]

We got your back sir

[@Steve-p7m4e]

Outstanding! Just getting started, but I am going to relish every minute of it! My two favorite, down to earth, open-minded, and scientifically focused people! You are my greatest hope for some answers to this greatest of all enigmas, whatever those answers may be!

[@FraserJohnstone1]

I think Avi is a grifter attempting to sell books. There is very little support amongst the peer review process for Avi’s views regarding Oumuamua. Project Galileo is ridiculous plan that doesn’t go remotely far enough and won’t find anything remarkable. Ryan can’t make up his mind whether he’s an actual eyewitness or not… hasn’t interviewed anyone from his squadron that actually saw the phenomena, he owns a company that aims to sell equipment to the government/Galileo so that they can look for UAP, clearly believes he encountered an Alien despite no evidence…… I increasingly find them both to be mostly credulous……

[@networkimprov]

I love this show, but I quite miss hearing from pilots! Prof Loeb is very articulate, but also extremely widely covered in the podcast scene.

[@brillo31]

Following Avi’s blog about his crash retrieval metal analysis has been exciting!

[@jackparker8686]

Site is a very good gift....

[@vayasaberlo8]

You are really a classy interviewer🎉

[@MakerInMotion]

I wonder if this was filmed before David Grusch came forward or if they just didn't consider it worthy of discussion.

[@ozmatterhorn2147]

I am watching this vid with CC to aid my focus, it’s so outa sync it’s tripping me a bit, but maybe that’s my internet connection. Anyway I’ll cope, 10/10 awesome vid Ryan and Avi, from down under. Thanks mate…

[@Szlakier]

I would like us to find proof of the existence of those smarter than us, because that would become a source of healthy humility for us, motivating us to work harder for our future, but also for the beings with whom we share this planet, and for whom we should care. Not being the smartest kid in kindergarten makes us have a purpose.

[@Ferrislilly]

Ryan is awesome. Dude is such a unique personality for a fighter pilot.

[@KathleenHanrahan-p1u]

👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻thank you for doing this Avi 🙏

[@princyok8058]

Please when was it recorded? It doesn't say in the description. Thanks for the interview.

[@jackparker8686]

The paradigm shift is for a reason.... A powerful reason of necessity

[@JoFuSoA]

Great Video! Love both of you!

[@jackparker8686]

Your mind will remain composed

[@muddymaker3721]

Awesome as usual bud👍

[@jackparker8686]

Walk and look into where you must be... As a sentient being... Using your senses to fruition

[@hakan8445]

Trailblazer!!! God speed Avi

[@girltal.k]

What a great guy. Funny to boot.

[@farben_]

What if the aliens among them don't even treat themselves as equal? Think about that for a second. But Avi Loev is free to welcome the aliens in his house and lecture them on human morals.

[@eyemallears2647]

Aliens most likely have hierarchies.

[@jaanuskiipli4647]

Interesting ideas, Avi is great and so is Ryan

[@ICHBINIMUN]

Wow Ryan thats a big one!

[@megamillionfreak]

Actually Elon Musk also has a bachelor’s in Physics (and one in Economics).

[@conormcqregor4393]

Ryan is goated

[@Jason5000]

It's always interesting and I learn more every time Avi explains Omuhahmuah even after having read his book.... Sometimes when scientists make claims like he does we want to say "yeah but what do the experts say?" Well Avi is that expert and the buck stops with him..and I get that science is all about data but the data says Omuhahmuah was most likely the shape of a disc... was shiney like metal.... entered the solar system in a way it stuck out like a sore thumb...it is what it is...

[@lindsaykendall88]

Avi talks a lot! 😅 Thank you for all you are doing Ryan and The Merged Team ❤

[@alex1991ander]

What he supposed to do on a podcast?

[@TheHighlanderprime]

I am all with Avi’s quest; but I differ regarding some of his ideas. The segment of the government that looks into UAP data secretly actually would have hardcore scientists to analyze and verify items such as potential crash recovery material. Though such scientists may not have Avi's credentials, they would follow the scientific method that Avi refers too. Also, I believe it’s necessary to triangulate past DATA with current ones to discern patterns regarding this subject. The past DATA may not be as current; but it is data that can intellectually or even scientifically tie with current data. Additionally Avi, while openminded he does display some elements of scientific close-mindedness because too much of his rationale is black or white in terms of everything having to rely on conventional data alone, even if they’re hypothetically based. Yes data spells the most conclusive picture; but much of science is hypothetical based on the available information; not everything need to be conclusive; the human sphere often demands hypotheses before confirmation even in science. And science is very often wrong and eventually needs to adapt its conclusions based on new information … So there are some contradictions in Avi’s base ideas.

[@westlakedon]

Brilliant

[@omrigivon3725]

Thank you for doing this 🙏

[@Skankhunter420]

I love Avi.

[@smithaz1981]

Wood over carpet. Carpet is disgusting. Avi has class.

[@mortenjohansen78]

David Grrouch talked about another dimension... what do you say about that?

[@fyroe]

whoaaa this is gonna be amazing

[@stevelangmanracing4551]

Brilliant🙌

[@lshwadchuck5643]

What Loeb is doing with Ohmuamua is more satisfying than hearsay about dead alien pilots, BUT I'm glad he's putting up these instrument arrays to maybe record UFOs. Ryan looked just a bit disappointed that Avi refutes 'new physics'.

[@RottenGreenPumpkins]

This here is one of the most extraordinary conversations that's ever taken place. I don't know what to say... these are extraordinary times we're in.

[@euanscotland]

Love some Avi in my lobes Thank you for the podcasts.

[@mertozelmusic]

Just like the oceans, heavens are full of entities... We're starting to accept, understand and digest the truth.

[@SteveMagnante]

Im watching this from my hotel room in Las Vegas between days at the Barrett-jackson automobile auction. This interview is a nice counterpoint to my busy days. I applaud Ryan and Avi for being "grown ups" discussing this tricky topic and moving it into the realm of credibility and away from hype and fantasy. My mind is open to exotic discoveries. Please keep at it gentleman!-Steve Magnante

[@Nahelus]

Avi was the only scientific to put his balls over the table and contemplate publicaly the idea Omuamua could have been an alien craft. Cheers to this man for ignoring the media, and going with it with no fear.

[@hellohello9098]

Nice🎉

[@rickjason215]

When you have tenure at Harvard, you can do what you want. All non tenured professors can’t risk losing the chance at tenure and have to play it safe.

[@alexeilindes7507]

Great engrish

[@whoyounome]

You have GOT to pull lthen balls out. 😂

[@Lohanujuan]

There’s other ways to phrase ‘courage’

[@andrewtedlow6552]

Avi is a brilliant thinker who also happens to be a wonderful storyteller. He makes physics accessible and entertaining rather than weighing down the conversation with esoteric language and details that only a small percentage of people would be able to comprehend.

[@pauladams1211]

Presumably this was pre-recorded as he is currently out on the ocean near Papua New Guinea. A shame, because he has found some interesting material on the ocean floor.

[@OutlandX15]

It's always great to listen to Avi Loed. He is what every scientist should be but rarely is.

[@chucknorris8704]

His attempted debunking of the Ukraine UAPs is laughable. He's a sheep in wolf's clothing.

[@FraserJohnstone1]

@@chucknorris8704 totally agree, he’s a book salesman these days…… he has very little support from his peers regarding his Oumuamua book….. he’s a hack !

[@SAMZIRRA]

Avi Loed is his adult film star cousin

[@OutlandX15]

Avi Loeb good one on the adult film star come back though😂 follow the data, and dig out what is not true. We have the material manufactured at the atomic level and I am sure that Avi will look at it iwhen Gary Nolan releases it. A true scientist will always look through the telescope or in this case electron microscope.😊

[@che4568]

​@SAMZIRRA is he not evi loed?

[@benm1993]

Avi is the 🐐!! Great episode, Ryan

[@Pottymouth447]

An excellent guest speaker! Avi Loeb is so personable, and I like the clear analogy about how the package might be sitting in the mail box, but the sender of it is now long gone. Good luck with the search at sea. Thank you!

[@prestonhalstead149]

45:15 I was literally thinking the perfect follow up question would be in relation to discovering that an interstellar life-form may not only be our partner but our parent. Ryan nailed it 💯

[@kdg6963]

this has quickly become my favorite podcast. another great conversation

[@repoman84]

Brilliant episode, really enjoyed this. Keep up the great work, Ryan and the Merged team!

[@katherinehahn6242]

Everyone seems to be thinking about the Allegory of the Cave! This is one of my favorite interviews w Avi Loeb.

[@kenroubik3221]

He certainly has a high opinion of himself.

[@MrSjoerdX]

Not many people seem to notice this.... kind of annoying at times. All in all, a great discussion though.

[@reggallant9881]

Great interview. Love that you let Avi talk and talk with a little bit of steering here and there. Great work.

[@SVMediaFilms]

Fantastic podcast with a Monumental guest - “Humanity’s Greatest Treasure” Prof Abe Loeb

[@wattfource]

Nice! Looking forward to this one for sure. Avi is courageous to share his views considering how so many before him were professionally decimated for doing the same thing. “The Times They Are a-Changin’”

[@chefc8371]

Top notch guest Ryan. Looking forward to this

[@vmwindustries]

All the money we would save if we stopped fighting each other, is amazing, and how we could search all kinds of stars.

[@Baleur]

2:01:00 this is really weird to hear from Avi.. That essentially, if someone cannot provide evidence (such as due to it being classified), they should "say nothing at all". What?

[@sg9524]

He is all about his evidence, but Ideas usually start without his level of proper evidence. And, whilst he can search for the evidence, we (the general population) can ask for more evidence directly from the people who are potentially hiding it. If the general people do this effectively we'll find out far quicker, if there are hidden spacecraft and alien bodies... hopefully at the latest towards the end of this year eh!

[@relaxingmeditationyoutubev6871]

AVI LOEB, put the Galileo Project instruments, in (SKIN WALKER RANCH) !!!!

[@TheTalisman515]

big win getting avi loeb on

[@jacquesjtheripper5922]

Can scientists say if it's reasonable that tech like the tictac, antigravity, etc, have been done by pvt military firms? With or without et tech to reverse engineer..

[@anaarias9879]

Two extraordinary Earthlings!!!! So glad to see some still exist in this adorable planet of madness! THANKS! ♥

[@David-qb7fz]

He is really smart, but also very ignorant of the info already available

[@pg9112471]

What an awesome interview. Thanks Ryan.

[@kevindthevoice]

It’s good to see some pioneers moving this topic forward like them. :)

[@bhaskarbagchi1643]

The clarity with which Loeb explains the scientific method is simply wonderful. Many people whose interest lies primarily in the UAP topic will be listening to him. This is a great way to disseminate science. Ryan's point that this may be clever engineering (within the ambit of known physics) rather than new physics is very good. If precise scientific observation of the Loeb kind does confirm incredible speed but no fireball then we shall need to try and figure out what the clever engineering might be.

[@chili4852]

Burning bush. Let's bring Avi over to experience Chris Bledsoe place in North Carolina.

[@das250250]

Mentioning Elon in this conversation as any authority would be a joke

[@phuklyyve8941]

Buckle up indeed! Shits about to get crazy i think regarding the whistleblowers etc.

[@dr.strangelove7739]

Avi is a national treasure. I sure hope he never gets fed up with all of the doubters and haters in academia! Keep going Avi, we need you!

[@eyemallears2647]

Don’t you mean an INTERNATIONAL treasure?

[@dougg1075]

Would be cool to tell Avi me and my friends sighting . Close close

[@bhaskarbagchi1643]

Enrico Fermi made his famous remark -- where is everybody -- when working in Los Alamos. It appears that, right in that period, security guys in Los Alamos were observing UAPs every other day! Obviously Fermi was not looking out the window, as Professor Loeb is suggesting he should have done.

[@jackparker8686]

You've seen the ships at the Sun.... That's not the problem... it's the concealment.... Of the maintenance

[@steveo288]

A lot of talk, no proof of anything and basically pretty boring. Just as many UFO videos are on youtube. Nothing new.

[@John-bt3fo]

You can't have scientific discovery without doing any work

[@fleezybaby]

14:00 "by 2050, there will be more mass in plastic in the oceans, than the mass there is in fish."

[@YDuran-le6eb]

love listening to Avi! He's so down to earth (no pun intended) 🤭

[@UKAviationMovies]

Excellent. I'd not heard of the Galileo Project before this interview. Just bought Avi's book and ready to immerse myself further. Great interview 👍

[@MadderMel]

It would be wonderful if Avi proved the existence of intelligent alien life , putting all those doubting ' scientists ?? ' in their place !!

[@jackparker8686]

The interviewer knows it's real... I think you know it's real now...

[@SolidSativa1]

Besides the moons of Jupiter Galileo observed phases on Venus only compatible with the Heliocentric model

[@henryjraymondiii961]

Unfortunately, what is implied by Ari here, is that instrumentation should have the "last word" --and this hinges on the amount of money we would spend on such thing's "effectivenese". Mcluhan et. al. have indicated that invention is often (fractally and in simple first case perception) the externalization of some physical attribute, that a human has within the body or it's appendages. The feet in rotation (a circle) turns int a bicycle, the jaws are like a vise. The human characteristics existed prior to these "inventions". It may well be, that monetary "power" has perceptual limitations, tha the human potential exceeds--but we may never get there, if we decide that the insreumentation is ina fully expanded and telescoped state "today". Ari is used to a "Rich Man's Game". That is myopic, within an ever expanding infinity that is NOT "out there"-- but additionally in every grain of sand. "Each Grain of Sand, is a Map of the Land...and We're all One" From the song "One" written by myself.

[@landcruiser1055]

What a great listen. Thanks to both of you. I must also mention how much I love That fireplace!!!! WOW, awesome.

[@suzettewilliams1758]

I only became familiar with this gentleman from the discovery of Oumuamua. I've not read his book on the subject yet. However, since then I've listened to him speak on various media many time. He's obviously super intelligent, but unlike some people like this he's a very good communicator like Stephen Hawkins.

[@jackparker8686]

Really all we are looking for here is real and that's why I'm here

[@megashermes5247]

This guy is crazy and yet he's a post-doc and professor at Harvard.

[@HarryCarrie]

Agree. Harvard or not, this man is not too bright.

[@Baleur]

I almost feel like Avi knows something he isnt telling. I saw a mobile stream he did with another interviewer, direct from onboard the ship at sea while they were searching for the interstellar fragments. The things he says, are so oddly specific when he "speculates", that one almost gets the feeling that he knows what's there to find, before he's officially "found it".

[@cherierichards5476]

Terrific episode. Very much enjoyed. Lots of little details to ponder.

[@dougg1075]

Cool times when a Harvard professor talks to a fighter pilot witness . Some days I feel we are living a crazy movie.

[@salvalooez2249]

Wow. .…!!!, level A guest . Merged is going places fast. Thank you

[@TehCommentMaster]

I hate saying this because it sounds absurd, but if the US really does have some sort of treaty with other intelligence, disclosing the locations of Avi's telescopes watching the skies is a grave mistake. If another intelligence did want to go undetected, it would be easy to avoid those places. If Avi comes up with nothing and concludes it was a waste of time, it would be the final nail in the coffin for any credibility this subject has remaining. Then disclosure would be completely in the hands of those hiding the truth. I hope he chooses his locations wisely, and keeps at least some of them top secret. Disclosing everything to the public risks everything. Be smart.

[@epii1073]

I have complete respect for Ryan Graves but I am perplexed as to why he’s always introduced as an ex-navy pilot who has seen a UAP. I once saw him interviewed not long after he appeared on the scene, where he admitted to having never seen one personally, but had had many of his fellow pilots relate their sightings to him. Now for the life of me, I cannot find that video on KZbin. All I can find are interviews where he is introduced as an ex-navy pilot who has SEEN these things in his military flights off the east coast of the United States. The thing is, if you’ll notice, he never refers to them in the first person, it’s always “we’ve” seen them. And he never corrects the interviewer to say; “I personally haven’t seen one, but many of my fellow pilots have.” Has anyone else here seen a video of him where he admits to having never personally seen one of these things? If so, please reply to my comment here and leave a link to the video. Like I said, I have complete respect for Mr. Graves, I just can’t figure out why he now allows the perception to the public that he has personally seen a UAP when he’s admitted he has not.

[@pekkavirtanen5130]

I have seen several videos where he admits that he has not seen UAP himself. I think he stays very on point and knows the technology and the physics we know. However, he is very interested in UAP stuff. They can only be perceived on their terms. It's disturbing when the interviewees bring balloons to UAP observations. Pilots probably have no doubt whether they are seeing a balloon or a UAP

[@epii1073]

@@pekkavirtanen5130 Interesting. I've only seen one video where he's admitted as such. So that's good to hear. I've posted this question in the comment section of a few KZbin videos and to date you are the ONLY one to respond so thanks. For the record, I think it's more likely than not that we are indeed being visited. And like I say, I very much like and appreciate Ryan Graves and take him at his word. I can say the same for the other official whistleblowers too. I just don't understand why Mr. Graves never corrects his interviewers on this detail. Maybe it's better he doesn't, as then he might be perceived by some as being less than serious and this subject needs all the serious, smart and credible people it can muster. So, maybe it's smart on his part to just let people think he's seen these things with his own eyeballs. What do I know. It's all beyond my pay grade.

[@pekkavirtanen5130]

@@epii1073 All priests tell and talk about Jesus and God, even though they have never met them. If you watch the video, you will notice when Ryan Graves wants to direct the conversation back to UAP, and Ryan does not agree with Avi on all issues.

[@r.w.7768]

Timestamps would make this a 10/10 podcast 🌟 thanks Ryan

[@eyemallears2647]

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