LORDS OF THE FALLEN has PROBLEMATIC MULTIPLAYER, (I playtested the game for 2 months)

[@zghostly_]

The moment you said "Keep in mind, this is a PvE game." in your last LoF video, I knew right then that there was gonna be a big problem on PvP side of it.

[@Jeenine]

glad some of you could read between the lines, i felt bad not talking about the pvp issues, but couldnt

[@Bignuke87]

​@@Jeeninethe problem is the large amount of enemies make it seem that the game was also designed with co-op in mind

[@dannyg4835]

​@@Bignuke87Thats good tho Makes the game more fun And also gives the chance for the invader to kill the host and his friend using so many enemies

[@NecroChungus]

Redditors thinking 1 roll is meant to put you out of range of any attack

[@Jeenine]

sadly it would seem so

[@scragglie]

redditors period...

[@HopelessEvenings]

This saddens me greatly, this game’s PvP sounds completely unplayable on latency. Basing everything on the host is the worst idea of all time…

[@Jeenine]

it really is unplayable if youre not the host honestly

[@SocietyKilledTheUnicorn]

Just tried to help a rando with a boss. Going from 1hand to 2hand had a 5s delay. Literally unplayable.

[@brianpoole7581]

@@Jeenine Do you think they will fix it?

[@d1943i]

"everything happens on the host side" literally decided not to buy the game anywhere close to launch within 3 seconds of hearing this. connection issues in ds3/ER can already feel lopsided and it often feels like connections with heavy packet loss favors the players dropping packets. no desire at all to add another layer to that frustration. nope nope nope nope

[@ShadowOfLaw]

Devs really need to lower their ego and listen more to people like G9. G9 has given them a complete spreadsheet which would make the game 10-20% better for free.

[@kajmak]

I don't mean to sound like a capitalist but consulting services like this aren't usually done for free, considering G9's experience in the field he might be getting paid for his input

[@MaximXemo]

@kajmak Jee said in the previous video that he wasn’t getting paid to critique the game mechanics.

[@jarel125]

​@@kajmaki doubt it. Its probably more of a passion project, theres nothing players like steel and g9 want more than a fine tuned souls pvp experience.

[@hitler69]

the roll distance is way too fucking huge. and you say it was twice this? also it seems like redditors ruined another game lmao

[@asdergold1]

More like out of touch management and lack of communication at all. 7 meters roll. Brother, what the fuck? With that level design and general reach in combat? With that roll speed? What kind of imbecile thought that was even passable?

[@crackededge9351]

It’s basically false advertising for the devs to call Lords of The Fallen a co-op/PVP game when it has something as horrible as host side connections. Very disappointed in the dev team for their multiplayer decisions.

[@dripmn1817]

I knew somehow from the way you spoke earlier this week it was gonna be bad pvp. That’s okay I just want the single player experience

[@OCEAN-fc9wl]

looks like ER is the only hope we got..

[@Etherealizer]

I'll be honest, I wish the devs had put more focus on PvP. I'll probably just wait and consider picking this up on sale. There's no point in playing at launch if PvP isn't good.

[@JDJReaver]

Exactly. I bought Lies of P because of all the hype. I'm not buying a shittier Dark Souls clone that costs more than Elden Ring did AND it's not even the complete experience. I feel like this news is gonna sink the game but I could be wrong.

[@asdergold1]

​@@JDJReaver It will be Lords of the Forgotten 2: Electric Boogaloo.

[@KIRI77]

This shit is dumb, thats just an excuse for not buying a pve centred game. Sure it's not as exciting as when ds3 released and u jumped right into invasions, tryna figure out builds, but fuckin hell enjoy the actual meat of the game, it seems like a pretty damn decent souls like.

[@LokiBeckonswow]

lol imagine giving this game to 2 of the best souls players in the entire global community, and then not listening to their feedback about a key mechanic like the roll, instead listening to other players... that seems crazy to me haha but maybe I'm wrong...

[@koktszfung]

I think there are more factors to consider, they are invited two months before the release of the game, expecting to have minor tweaks to some numbers however, dodge distance is not just a number to be changed easily, you have to base the design of bosses and enemies on the distance itself. It is arguably the most important number to be fixed before enemies attack is designed and animated. Imagine that they have that huge dodge distance in mind, the boss attacks would likely span a large area, if the distance is shortened, it will be literally impossible to dodge their attack, because the distance traveled during is smaller than the shortest length of the attack area. They could change the hitbox but it would make the animation and hitbox mismatch, meaning they are forced to have a smallest dodge distance I suspect they don't have enough playtesting early in the development, which affects every subsequent decision

[@asdergold1]

​​@@koktszfung Nah, consider the game's level design. The dodge roll was beyond ridiculous when you take into account how narrow it can be. There must have been a lot of mismanagement and lack of communication in developlent, again.

[@swag489]

@@asdergold1i also think it’s really strange how the roll and all the attacks have insane distance but much of the early/mid game is spent on small walk ways, tight spaces & shit .. maybe it was an attempt at cheap artificial difficulty?

[@AQuestCalledMusic]

Thanks for the heads up. Ill be saving 93 bucks. Maybe ill pick it up in the future on a sale or if they make it better.

[@Nunkuruji]

It's too bad the multiplayer is DoA. That moves it from a day-1 buy to an on-sale buy, after inevitable bug fix patches.

[@kimlee6643]

Wow, so not worth it on release unless you can casually afford it? Great. Fantastic. I'll play this one like I'll play the others: likely for cheaper and when I have time. No good multiplayer means no purchase priority. It's that simple. "Seamless co-op" lol. Watch Fromsoft do close to nothing and win, again. Anyway, thanks for the input Jee.

[@DaveDzz]

Thanks for this video G9, pre ordered it for the PvP mostly, asking for a refund, very disappointed.

[@youtubewanderer3347]

Yeah, don't pre-order games at all. Is a bad practise that screws over consumers.

[@asdergold1]

​@@youtubewanderer3347 It's always a terrible braindead idea. People did that before when it actually was slightly helpful, but this is not that old shit.

[@youtubewanderer3347]

@@asdergold1 pre-ordering an online game is a wild concept to me. The whole point of pre-ordering was making sure you got the game before it ran out. Now companies use it as a way to fish money by selling unfinished games purely on hype. Pretty crazy.

[@theiyrosthenes1639]

Jeenine I’m sure that your suggestions would have made the game better, but like you said, it’s always up to them. It’s their game and no developer should throw away their visions just because certain people want something a certain way. It’s generous of them to even take in players to play test and accept suggested changes

[@dat_senpai_guy4400]

While I agree that it's their game and no developer/artist should be forced to change their vision, I think this kind of development is also a collaborative effort. I don't think it's generous of them to take in that kind of feedback, but that it would be extremely arrogant not to. It'll be funny if they go in that direction later after the game has come out tho. It's also very likely for that to happen imo

[@theiyrosthenes1639]

@@dat_senpai_guy4400 yes the developers are one of a kind because they clearly do care about the details of their game. Seeing as the PvP at this state isn’t worth it right now, I wouldn’t be surprised if they take people like jee or steel’s advice or straight up directly talk to them about it. I’m sure most of us won’t even do the pvp for the first or second playtgrough and once the base game starts getting stale they will probably release updates to enhance the PvP. Because this game has high potential, definitely higher than wu long’s multiplayer

[@dat_senpai_guy4400]

@theiyrosthenes1639 I mean, ok(?) If bad industry standards are prevalent and then there's an exception, that doesn't make the exception "kind". It's good that they're doing it, but you shouldn't fall for the premise that it's an exceptional outlier when it should be somewhat standard. Obviously case-by-case basis, not every game needs to be tested in that way, but it's pretty clear cut in this one imo

[@student40008]

​@theiyrosthenes1639 Oh stop it with the stupid excuses!! This game pvp sucks, and we will call it out!

[@theiyrosthenes1639]

@@student40008 it does ur right

[@ryanfranklin377]

Do you think the pvp will be improved/worked on in the future? (at least from what you could gather from the devs)

[@ArmorOfZeus]

On Steels channel he has a long from vid up with one of the Devs and a few other creators and that seems to be the plan. They're not going to stop working on the PVP. It's a priority because a few of the Devs are also seasoned bad red man.

[@AndrewBrownK]

I like what you're doing with just being realistic and trying to setup expectations to a healthy spot. Hopefully PVP can be further developed but PVE will be fun in meantime

[@ungone7133]

i think most ppl didnt continue watching after the 8th min

[@sthifen2237]

me

[@youtubewanderer3347]

We all complain about Fromsoft, for completely reasonable reasons, but they are the best at souls like pvp somehow. You would think someone would eventually do it better, but nope.

[@nebei3740]

Indie games do it better there is a game thats basically souls pvp with dedicated servers and better balancing but there arent any invasions and player pop is very low

[@rx7187]

I knew there was a reason nothing was shown on the pvp side

[@cooldudeachyut]

Multiplayer PvP in these games aren't usually the focus. I think I appreciate From games more now as they do put the bare minimum care into it.

[@ungone7133]

I hope you realize this makes coop desynch too and be unplayable

[@hunterlg13]

​@@ungone7133People seem to forget that the netchode makes it pretty unplayable...

[@TheHeartThatRunsCold]

If you're going to include multi-player features, they should be good. And players should want them to be good. Otherwise they sour the experience for players that spend time with those systems.

[@KoreanSpy1997]

@@TheHeartThatRunsCold Pretty sure the pvp was their selling point, correct me if i'm wrong.

[@TheHeartThatRunsCold]

@@KoreanSpy1997 It was more them being action rpgs that you have to engage with thoughtfully. For a lot of people invasions were a very attractive system though, and for more a repellant.

[@PolishGoblinn]

I don't really care for pvp but pve looks terrible too

[@dragonslayer6000]

Finally, a game to get all the redditors off elden ring.

[@JetStream0509]

Lies of p was too hard for them tho

[@JetStream0509]

Nah cause this also affects co-op

[@dragonslayer6000]

@@JetStream0509 lmfao no kidding. As if the trans-humanist romanticism wasn't enough of a motivating theme

[@dumbrecusant]

Why devs why? 😢. On the other hand I feel by reading some of these comments that people are giving up too easy and not giving the game and the devs the due credit. The pve looks fantastic and worth the money, and they are bound to have balance changes in the future. Plus we also have Rogue Masters coming out in December and that game has more of a PvP focus in mind. Of course we all wanted that for Lotf, but we're in an age where we have good soulsbourne options now and they are getting better. Lets hope for the best, not expect the worst.

[@JDJReaver]

I'm sure it'll be great. Next year. When it's $15.

[@asdergold1]

​@@JDJReaver Not worth anywhwre near full price with so many kiddie out of touch mistakes in development.

[@protonjones54]

God damnit so many new games out right now don't have enough time to play them allllllllll

[@MrKalash19]

Hitting impact with weapon on giant boss could use some vibrations for better combat gameplay

[@TheTromaster]

I would think that changing recovery frames on every weapon would also require a rework on damn near all boss and enemy attack timings as well to not disrupt the flow of combat right?

[@nebei3740]

No thats not the case if attacks are unusable because youll get hit everytime you use it changes are needed look at elden ring 90% of their patch notes are just lowering recovery time to be fair they overdid it a little for some things but they didnt have to change pve at all and noone complained that the game is too easy or the flow got disrupted

[@degstep9968]

Hi G9, thanks for everything! Does this mean that the net code and multiplayer experiences of from software are high quality and difficult to reproduce?

[@Jeenine]

ah, lol good question, im not a dev, even less of a networking programmer, but witnessing this does make you appreciate how Fromsoft has various checks for both the attacker and defender side, fromsoft also has very minimal desync and no ruberbanding which we take for granted because of latency and lag

[@YoRHa2C]

" Does this mean that the net code and multiplayer experiences of from software are high quality and difficult to reproduce? " No.

[@asdergold1]

No. That's the problem. From's is shit, this is a full step or two below that.

[@brianpoole7581]

Man, this kind of a "Deal Breaker?"

[@thunderstrucktb4758]

Why? Is PVP all you care about?

[@brianpoole7581]

@@thunderstrucktb4758 I bought it. I had some people opt out of co-op because of connection issues. I got it for the PS5 and PC. I have a 3080, I have no clue how it's going to work.

[@BigDBrian]

host based multiplayer is so bad in these games... Code Vein had this problem and it's here again, unplayable with friends without an amazing connection

[@BobbyHollingshead]

This is disappointing. I pre ordered this game with the expectation of playing co op and pvp. After seeing this vid + seeing how bad it performs on Xbox, I'll most definitely be getting a refund, sad to say. I wanted this game to be good. I guess it just needed more time in the oven... smh

[@BobbyHollingshead]

@@adamiadamiadami It's not that big a deal... I can get a refund on Xbox in under 3 minutes, and put that money towards something else..

[@misterfisterthethird3472]

I was running multiplayer with my friend and he fell down the elevator in the bell room and it upped his level by 50 and respeced his whole character and now I can’t play multiplayer in my world but I can in other worlds

[@VACHAUD]

I’m so disappointed

[@HovyRedgrave]

Most unfortunate because I thought we had something to keep us busy until ER DLC. Hope they bring you sooner for their next project and maybe we can have some competition with Fromsoftware PvP

[@ventuspvp]

Very simply, if the multiplayer sucks and is jank, the game will die in the long run. In fact after this it confirms for myself not to purchase the game in the first place. Connection jank on PC in ER was the main reason I was excited for this game. PVE doesn't keep these types of games alive for a decade. Period.

[@Featsofgrace]

Yep look at ds1 people say it’s the best game but people only play pve , I don’t put it that high because it’s replay value is definitely less than the rest of the souls series , people will argue “they aren’t PvP games”. If that was the case they wouldn’t have added pvp to any of the games , pvp matters , I know to many people who went straight back to the past games because they were upset (including me) that ER pvp wasn’t better at launch , especially sense they have had years of making these games and balancing them they should know what they are doing by now

[@ni9274]

Single-players games are not supposed to stay "alive for decade", but good singleplayer games can stay active for long period, like Sekiro still has an active community despite not having any multiplayer. Only games that can manage to keep a high playerbase for long period of the time are pvp focused games with live service like LOL, CS, Dota...

[@ventuspvp]

@@ni9274 Look we aren't talking about Sekiro here, which is a carefully crafted masterpiece. We are talking about souls type games, where especially in a post ER world co-op is going to be as common as solo play DEEP into the games life cycle. Dark Souls has a system where you eventually progress your skill to the point of actively hunting other players and that minority is who stays playing the game "living" in it's world for years on end. That voice should matter because we aren't people who play LoL or COD all the time we play THIS.

[@ventuspvp]

@@Featsofgrace My exact point is when Jee told us he and others were involved it made me hyped to play a game I wasn't probably going to buy because it's going the way of every other game that's tried souls PVP. I'm just disappointed that yet another opportunity to bring us a excellent experience for years on end is wasted. Hopefully I'm wrong and I'll buy it a week or two later if it's still alive.

[@koktszfung]

I just wanna play with my friends :(

[@recryption620]

Sad to hear the coop/pvp is not great however the game still looks great and worth picking up.

[@tigercloud6945]

My wife and I have been co-op together since the release this morning. We have gotten disconnected twice within 4 hours. I can confirm we are not locked at 30 frames per second. we are both running 60 frames, with VRR on we dip to 40fps once in in a while.

[@terryems88]

Man, I'm so thankful for that hyper armor change! Thank you Steel!

[@degstep9968]

Thank you for all!!

[@dotisopod]

Thank you for the heads up, very informative. I'm looking for a pve experience, but hopefully they can make some changes for the pvp and netcode (if that's realistic/possible) for everyone looking for pvp.

[@soneca798]

I really was looking forward to playing this game. The higher animation commitment was a huge plus for me because it seemed more like ds2 which I'm a big fan of. But idk anymore, with these news of the multiplayer it doesn't sound like it will be worth it

[@donalddavidson4638]

Your lamp can grab souls out of reach like near the beginning of the video

[@_You_Are_Not_Him_]

Just played some invasions and man the host advantage is real 😂 you just get rubber banded around

[@loboalcurry]

so yeah its not a buy, at least for me

[@Denneska]

In other words, From Software is still THE KING 😎

[@Mozzarella_Lord]

Thanks for your honesty! I was waiting for these informations before making my decision. No pvp, no party!!!

[@LabyrinthMole]

Thanks for this! I think I'll wait for the Elden Ring DLC. Meanwhile, I'll just play ER or whatever suits my fancy.

[@reggiemoore755]

Did a few invasions and man is the pvp leggy or whatever it's called when someone swings and is hitting me on the other side of the room like wtf 😒

[@Beardedmane901]

This is bad when no one cept one KZbinr showed one invasion and others are just talking about it damn!hopefully we see jeenine invade

[@Jeenine]

It's not worth invading atm kzbin.info/www/bejne/p2KaXoqPq9uZmdk

[@Dragens2]

thank you very much. I had a great first 5 hours and I am not interested in playing it in multiplayer so I think I will have a great time !

[@chrispalmer6804]

for me in multiplayer i'm LITERALLY rubber banding in every session i'm connected to has anyone else had this problem on ps5?

[@Chris-re3lv]

That's too bad. It looks nice, has potential, but is ultimately plagued with net issues. Servers instead of p2p would improve some of that.

[@saintsword23]

Servers are incredibly expensive too though.

[@Bagginsess]

It's a small studio dude they can't afford that. Plenty of Unreal Engine games are p2p and run smoothly, the devs just need to fix it.

[@Chris-re3lv]

@@saintsword23 Yeah, that's unfortunate.

[@Chris-re3lv]

@@Bagginsess From the discussions had so far, it seems that the devs are either too inexperienced with this sort of thing to be able to easily fix the underlying issues. Having this happen when they already are aping the Souls formula somewhat is unfortunate.

[@Bagginsess]

@@Chris-re3lv could be but I think it's because of a rushed release or that they retroactively decided to make the game multiplayer. Unreal Engine is really good at making it easy to properly network game mechanics but you have to go in with that mindset otherwise you have to dig through everything to change it. My hope is that they did setup for multiplayer but messed up and need to fix it because the alternative would mean it would likely never be fixed.

[@siv9394]

In their steam store page it says: "Unite or Fight in Online Multiplayer Experience the expansive, single player campaign alone, or invite a second player to join your adventure in uninterrupted, online co-op. But be warned - heroes from other realms can, and will invade." Will enjoy the PvE at release, but they better make this their first priority to fix, so we can come back to the game with some PvP action.

[@julioalves9670]

Elden Ring killer indeed!

[@T33nno]

The roll distance reminds me of when Elden ring added the light roll distance xD I rolled too far off a cliff twice the same day.. was way too big.. this is bonkers far for a roll

[@LorenTR]

PVP is stillborn so is the game for us.

[@shinren_]

redditors ruin it again :(

[@scragglie]

redditors are obligated to ruin everything they touch, its the only thing that brings them joy in their sad pathetic lives

[@alchemy5750]

As long as it's fun, I don't care. Dark Souls 3 had problematic PvP, too but it was fun as heck. I would say the same for Elden Ring if the PvP wasn't this limited. Only 4 players, with sometimes up to 3-5 minutes of downtime between invasions on PC, at meta level, on a Saturday, with crossregion on. I don't have patience for that sh** anymore. Dark Souls 3 was at least active. I guess everyone right now either plays Lords of the Fallen or Lies of P. Which I can understand, with a DLC delayed potentionally 2+ years and pointless PvP system, there's nothing to keep players invested.

[@bladeofmaya]

When you talked about the Invasion embargo in your last video, I knew something was fishy. I got to play the game two days before its release and really enjoyed the PvE. That enjoyment made my 30-minute experience with the invasions today even more disappointing, even though I somewhat saw it coming. Not being upfront about the state of the invasions and trying to hide it behind embargoes was a poor decision - one that will harm the game in the long run. They better "Cyberpunk" the sh*t out of invasions and hope people still care in a year or two. But I'm not holding my breath... Great, now I don't even feel like playing the PvE anymore. Anyway - it was really interesting to hear you talk about your experience working together with the dev team. Thank you for putting these videos out; I definitely learned something.

[@waitingchaos]

As someone who doesn't give a single flying hoot about PvE, this disappoints me immensely.

[@mattgreim5778]

As much as I am indifferent about multiplayer, I'm bummed for those of you who were looking forward to it in this game.

[@DresGarB]

(shit take incoming) Considering this is a single player game, so there is no rush to buy it right now, I'll just wait until someone creates a mod for it that makes roll distance and movement speed less extreme. At the moment, I feel both of those things I just mentioned clashes with the theme of the game. It's the kind of thing that would fit perfectly for a cyberpunk soulslike, but not a dark fantasy soulslike game. However, the game still looks great and I appreciate the new ideas it brings to the genre. It's a small step towards Fromsoft getting some competition.

[@allbriardup6451]

I love the combat and movement quite a lot, however this game isn’t ready for invasion due to the sucky servers. My friend hosted in guys Xbox Series X in performance mode and there is often a split second lag every 5 seconds during most fights which lead to my damage being ignored and an enemy getting the increased damaged attack from behind and dying. He tried 4 different various classes and heck, there’s a little delay on single player. Remnant 2 gives us no issue other than if the game crashes we both have to reset the game but we’re back and playing just fine with no timing issues. This is such a great game and I love everything about it aside from multiplayer and honestly I love most of the multiplayer aspects as well except the poor experience mentioned before but I don’t appreciate the damage reduction especially on top of the 60% missed swings even while locked on, it ruins the gameplay completely. It’s a solid single player game with great benefit to joining and hosting so it’s still worth the loot, and the sharing was awesome! Anything about once an hour it would turn my friend graphics to clay looking sh** that made Skyrim look amazing in comparison. Spot on video bud!

[@turkN9NE]

that roll distance is stupid. way too much even now

[@bladesofmen]

Did they say they will work on the netcode/pvp after release?

[@Jeenine]

I dont think much will change

[@draco2xx]

so they didnt took notes from software pvp, the blue print is right there😂

[@truebacon133]

Very disappointing. I was hoping the co-op would be more like Remnant 2 with them going for seamless co-op because that was great to play with a friend and share all the loot besides key/quest specific items. To find that it's not and still has the same style as DS where when doing co-op you'll need to go through the same area twice so both players can get the items of that zone. PVP is also rather disappointing if its all on host side because that just leads to frustration.

[@IsraTheBlack]

So there are no special attacks like weapon arts or anything?

[@Kareempwner]

Thank you for this! Even though the pvp won’t be as good as I’d like to be I think I’m actually going to buy it. I was a bit hesitant at first but hearing you talk about the devs and your experience reassured me

[@Laoruperteen18]

Never listen to redditors, they are casual scrubs that simply cant play, facts. im sure they had plenty of feedback themselves, but listening to redditors over a game like this is like taking advice on games from a gaming journalist.

[@lukefisher8417]

Hmm well this is unfortunate…I have the game waiting on my ps5 when I get home so I’m definitely going to try it out and get the single player experience but definitely bummed to hear about the pvp. Love the armor and look so far!

[@carbonatedfry]

is there any incentive for pvp?

[@kimlee6643]

Multiplayer-unique rewards are confirmed. As well as a game mechanic tied to how the collective multiplayer behavior shifts the access to those rewards by having different tiers. These are obviously good ideas. But it's hard to care if there isn't an actually good foundation sustaining them.

[@Fentiman]

2:14 I'm a little confused. Did hyper armor ultimately get added to the game or not?

[@ale-yc5tl]

lmao finally y’all wake up from this lord’s of the fallen dream.. looks like a cool single player game but im sick of everytime some new souls-like drops everybody hypes it up as if it’ll be a souls-killer

[@Raxiael]

is there an item like dried fingers? so you can be invaded more often?

[@rubenmuriasmerinero92]

Please, the starving people who buy the game before having a decent internet, think about the rest of us who want to play. thank you.

[@Yeikzo]

My man 😂😂😂😂😂😂👍👍

[@rubenmuriasmerinero92]

@@Yeikzo is the true

[@HunterBloodHunterBlood]

The fact we are stuck with Elden Ring’s shitty pvp until whenever the fuck the dlc releases makes me want to violently throw up.

[@Bignuke87]

February

[@winiciuscota8853]

do you think they can solve the multiplayer problem with time?

[@brianpoole7581]

A new patch came out?

[@blaze8097]

I knew there was a reason all the review streams wasn't trying out PvP or coop The Devs told them not to. I wonder how much funds and time they wasted on the Online that could have been better used elsewhere. Should have just added simple co-op not the covenant/pvp crap(like Nioh,Wo Long and Remnant )

[@rubenmuriasmerinero92]

I keep playing and it stays the same, pj blocking, teletransportation, you see that your life is going down and it is 2 kilometers away, please those people who have 1 mega internet stop playing and do us a favor, then they make fun of them thinking that they are good and as if they were human beings they interact and press r1 with 100,000 latency.

[@hugh_manatee]

Dang. I was hype. But a game needs pvp to stay alive and be worth learning

[@nomadicz8890]

simple pvp review have fiber with lan connection on pc first 2 or 3 great the next 10, no exaggeration 7 or 8 of the 10 dc'd the ones i got to fully fight as invader, constant rubber banding or network issues that make me stay still and then just instant die the 2 full fights with minimal network issues, i found that if u get to close to the host, u cant dodge away. idk if its network rubberand or just the characters hitboxes or something but it literaly GLUES you to the host. and no matter how many times u dodge or dash u dont move. u are stuck to the host. till they decide to move away. has happened EVERY time. ruined the game for me which is unfortunate bc this coulda been great. shoulda spent more time to fix the stuff b4 release imo. unfortunate

[@peevan]

I have a bad feeling this will be another wo long (player retention wise).

[@koktszfung]

It is just sad, got my hyped for nothing

[@matthewcastillo6362]

Ugh they should of just listened to g9s take more intently and just implement them! now my hype died already

[@LouSaydus]

The roll distance is already too long in most scenarios, what kinda idiot would want even more than the previously unnerfed version?

[@JoonKimDMD]

It is a shame that dev didnt take any of your advice or suggestion.

[@TheEldenDad]

Elden Ring Remains King!

[@yuyaaabyss2250]

no this was definitely advertised as seamless co op and is far from it

[@jiggiedaz]

I can't wait to play Demon's Souls 2 !!!

[@jakealexander3416]

Game will just die without pvp 😅

[@trevorserpas781]

The ER PC port has very high latency no matter what because of EAC, would you say the experience is worse than that?

[@koktszfung]

I am not sure but I think this game also uses EAC

[@ImShireh]

Is the single player good though?

[@lividgaming6278]

This is so unfortunate

[@Specter9337]

don't worry, they will fix all these issues in Lords of the Fallen 3 and we will play it until 2040.

[@crackededge9351]

If Co-op won’t work properly due to host side connections, there’s no point in buying a 70 dollar single player game, especially not when I have a friend group dedicated to PVP and co-op on Souls likes. I can’t recommend it to anyone I hang out with. I’m skipping this game for the same reason as Lies of P: it has no functioning PVP or co-op. Host side connection is even worse than From Soft’s dogshit netcode.

[@htxc2640]

Tried playing this, it's a bit jank

[@BallschanovChugavich]

So basically the games a bit floaty, and the multiplayer is shit if the hosts connection sucks balls. Otherwise the multiplayer is pretty doable?

[@BallschanovChugavich]

@@perfect-death4284 Tight, thanks boss.