Lore of Horizon Forbidden West: Far Zenith

[@RandomSideQuest]

Voice Over Clarification: Simply light years, not millions of light years 30:08

[@sheldonpetrie3706]

I think in that one cutscene Gia uses the units of Kilometres, but given that one light year is 5.878 trillion miles or 9.5 trillion kilometers so that would mean 8.6 light years is 8.17 x 10 to the thirteen kilometers. 81.7 trillion kilometers.

[@richardgammon61]

Q@@sheldonpetrie3706

[@kikijewell2967]

There's a data point on Sterling-Malkeet you might be interested in - go back to Sunfall, the HQ of Project Zero Dawn and listen to the row of data points on the right side of the lobby. It is interesting that the real Sterling-Malkeet - partner to Tilda's company - ended up loyal to Elizabet, and betrayed Tilda....!! :)

[@Riley_Storm]

I still love the fact that this amazing game comes from the small land where i live

[@feralprocessor9853]

If Aloy does die a hero, or becomes MIA from the New Zero Dawn Team, who would be the Glue radical that keeps them all together? Obviously Sylens would be the First to go.

[@darknesswave100]

It's kind of funny that Far Zenith managed to basically become immortal while Ted Faro rotted away on earth. Just imagine if he'd been able to get on board the Odyssey. That's a scary thought

[@Legba85]

Not scary to me. Just the perfect opportunity to whack that narcissistic life killing SOB. Lord knows this chance was robbed from us because of horrible writing but I still love this game.

[@lightschen1644]

What's funnier is that your line of reasoning may be why Far Zenith would have NEVER accepted Faro on board no matter how wealthy he was. They couldn't risk his pride or insanity.

[@samsmith4242]

@@Legba85 Was I the only one who wanted Thebes to be full of people? Who viewed Ted as some sort of Evil God. Maybe see Aloy find a clone of Ted running the place (but he’s feared as the evil god)

[@mrsensei8878]

It would be better if he was just frozen or something. Then we had two sides of old ones. Ted and the Zeniths.

[@silvesta5027]

@@Legba85 I loved the writing in this game :(

[@darknesswave100]

When I bought the first horizon game I bought it for the giant robot t-Rex on the cover. I had no idea just how much lore and story was in these games. It's insane the amount of stuff you can piece together in game and tell stories about individuals and places and time periods. It's really amazing

[@christine2931]

My hopes for the last game to set up for a future Trilogy in the world that would allow us to learn more about a missing period of time yet explore the world in a different time frame.... I would love the ending to show that Nemesis is not as evil as it seems. That or for Aloy and Gaia to be able to talk it down so that we can save all of it and apollo's knowledge. This way future games can be set farther in the future (after Aloy has passed). New games can be set in a world after true knowledge and history was made free to people/tribes who have created their own beliefs based on limited and/or false information. We can see how some people have accepted this with open arms, how some have shut down and become bitter due to this, and how many just couldn't handle it at all. We can see which tribes withstand, combine, crumble. What technology people bring back, change, or dont care for. Our checkpoints, data points, and such can be things left by Aloy and friends explaining what they witnessed of the world changing in their lifetime. This new world with old knowledge could go in so many ways and even in different ways in different parts of the world. Old machines could be "discontinued" by the tribes and new ones created that could end up helping our world or being worse than what we had before. So many options!

[@christine2931]

BTW, I am not a gamer and only bought it because Kingdom Hearts was done (for now) and there was a girl and robot animals. I literally bought it cause I was bored and wanted to find something to play sporadically. Um... it took over like all of my free time for awhile.

[@fujitsu4216]

Man, the whole Zenith story was a rollercoaster with plot twist after plot twist, i loved all the facilities we could explore, and all the data I finally got my hands on

[@unknown_2552]

I’ve put so many hours into the game, and I STILL learned a ton from this video. This must’ve taken a lot of time and effort to put together. Amazing work! Thank you!

[@feliciafenish7128]

Same, happy I am not the only one XD

[@eden20111]

Far Zenith has some interesting lore. I’m really curious how Nemesis slaughtered the zenith colony so fast. My theory is that once nemesis escaped containment, all the people who were connected to their VRs were instantly fried, and the ones who were out didn’t realize until it was too late and the Servitors began slaughtering the remaining survivors

[@DrakeAurum]

All Far Zenith personnel have plenty of tech built into them, from life-extension biotech to integrated Focus-style information systems to nanotech shields and weapons. Nemesis could probably handily fry anyone to whom it could establish a direct link, regardless of their status. Most likely, the survivors were somewhere outside the main colony - perhaps even already aboard the Odyssey performing further upgrades to it.

[@stanknugget]

You’re wrong. In the game they straight up say Nemesis took over their printing facilities.

[@ethanschlong8057]

@@stanknugget yes, to print out Servitors and bots to wipe out the remaining colonists

[@KK-qm1mr]

I just kind of assumed Nemesis forcibly absorbed their consciousnesses and then destroyed their meat bodies, like the comments above mentioned.

[@I_Dont_Believe_In_Salad]

Beta literally said Nemesis "it's a Machine of some kind, or a Swarm of them" Tilda also tell us Nemesis took over Printing Matrix to create more machines (Specters or maybe even Specter Primes) In conclusion Nemesis is basically a swarm of Far Zenith's machines

[@duveysgamingacademia6587]

This bit of lore is the exact reason why Forbidden West is literally "Amazing Lore Payoff: The Sequel" 👌🏾. Never has any game, let alone an open world one with deep lore has ever had me completely obsessed and feel like it's actually worth discovery for future implications.

[@DoItForU]

horizon is hardly an open world. more like wanna be

[@hundinger1]

@@DoItForU lol

[@isaabdullahi9097]

Great video Chilli. An observation here. I believe part of the signal sent to Hades by Nemesis was the design of the device needed to disable their shields. If Hades had successfully reversed terraform the earth, he would have used the Hephaestus subfunction to create the shield disabling device and machines capable of wielding it. When Sylens queried Hades on his master's he learned of nemesis and the zeniths. He also learned of Nemesis plan to destroy the zeniths(including the design for the shield disabler). I think this makes more sense than Sylens intuitively knowing how to create this device in a few months when such shields didn't exist on earth prior to Zenith arrival.

[@jifij89]

brilliant analysis!

[@S1lverArr0w]

He does say that in game tho

[@Random-ob2yl]

Yea that’s what he said he tortured hades for the info and u basically got everything right

[@yvettemontalvo7991]

@@Random-ob2yl yep, after torturing him he left Hades half dead for Aloy to finish the job. What was that all about?

[@jaythekid4728]

@@yvettemontalvo7991needed the alpha prime clearance to fully wipe him

[@RyanGaming21]

I've started watching this channel a few months back and I watched every video. Your voice, the lore, the effort and the background all make your videos perfect

[@KamKing19]

Some of the best lore videos on all of KZbin, regardless of game.

[@darknesswave100]

you can tell a lot of time and effort goes into the videos unlike some channels I've seen where they do the bare minimum work and get thousands of subs while this channel does all the work and doesn't have that many

[@Mr.-Midnight]

Your videos have done so much for helping me understand and organize the story and lore of the Horizon world. Thanks for all your hard work.

[@timgearing5121]

I said in one of your previous videos that I thought Varl would only play a minor role. I was way off! Varl turned out to be the hero, saving Aloy and gaining Beta’s trust and friendship. Selflessly sacrificing his own life to help protect Beta. Guerrilla sure knows how to tug on the emotions.

[@DanFarrell98]

Just like Zero Dawn, it was so fascinating slowly uncovering the history of Far Zenith. As soon as The Odyssey was mentioned in the prologue I knew that they were going there but I didn't know just how crazy and shocking some of it would be, so many revelations!

[@TheSodaBurst]

I swear, the amount of effort you put into these amazing lore videos out of pure love for the games is so inspiring! Even with my completionist mindset trying to read and watch every single line of dialogue, I always look forward to your lore videos. Excitedly watching this entire video now!

[@maxleroux]

If we ever get to see Elysium in the next game, I'm personally hoping for a "7 Seeds" type of situation. Keep in mind that Elysium was built not just to house the workers of Zero Dawn but also their immediate families, including their children. One of them was a freaking newborn baby for crying out loud. Spending your entire existence in an underground survival bunker just waiting to die doesn't sound like any kind of life to me, so it would be awesome if some of the scientists used their time to perfect cryonic preservation and give their children a new world to wake up to. Also keep in mind that they probably had no clue what Ted Faro was up to with his Omega Clearance at the time and were expecting a far different future than what they got.

[@RowanTheTree]

I feel like it would be really interesting for them to do that, and it would make sense within the whole context if the games lore as well. I mean, they already just made the biggest technological jump in the history of mankind recently right? What’s to say they won’t continue and try preserve themselves? I also think it would be interesting if they “froze” a huge number of people, but only one or two ended up surviving as they had to sacrifice the others so one could live since they didn’t have the capabilities to maintain everyone for hundreds of years, would be cool to do that and see how both Aloy and those frozen in Elysian would react to it

[@KK-qm1mr]

@@RowanTheTree Very Fallout 4.

[@beccan1521]

ooh that would be so good! also in one of the conversations with GAIA its mentioned that Elysium went offline like 40 ish years year zero day, that could explain why that happened. why keep certain systems going if everyone is frozen. in the first game aloy asks sylens if elizabet could have frozen herself and sylens basically says yeah why not the old ones made a lot of advancements so she might be frozen. it never goes anywhere or is mentioned again but it shows that the writers were thinking about it back in the first game.

[@typickoopakid]

​@@RowanTheTree That reminds me a lot of Vigil from Mass Effect 1. When the reapers were exterminating all life in the galaxy, Vigil shut down the cryo pods of all personel in a hidden underground facility to conserve power for billions of years so he'd still be alive to tell the heroes how to prevent the reapers from doing the same thing again.

[@popcornfilms1]

@@typickoopakid he had power for 50,000

[@HexaSquirrel]

Woo! Been looking forward to this. Thanks for your committed work, Chilly!

[@KirstysFocus]

An absloutely incredible video!! Thank you for your hard work and for putting this together! ❤

[@RandomSideQuest]

Thanks Kirsty 😁

[@KuroKat08]

Oh Hey Kirsty!!

[@Hyopomora]

(Spoilers) I really hope Peter has an important role in Future content. I find it far to suspicious that we are not allowed to see his face. Although I’m not sure if this is because we‘ve met him already, (at what that would mean) or if we are about to. My theory is he somehow became vast silver or has a relation to it. It’s also unclear, but the initial induction of the ectogenic chambers, how is it tied into Peter‘s final goal. He wanted humanity to transcend, presumably, to uploading human consciousness to any medium as a way of immortality. It’s a sad the „how“ this would be achieved passed with him.

[@Phreemunny]

Yeah; nothing that significant is a coincidence in this series. There is a reason they blocked out his face, and I think you’re onto something

[@mrp1234]

My theory for Horizon 3 is that Peter's mind was somehow secretly uploaded before his death in an incomplete state, possibly with Song Jiao involved, and his mind served as the "base" to Nemesis. Vast Silver will also feature in Horizon 3, and we'll find out that VS was behind the Elysium shutdown by accident, and has been running scared ever since. I think it would be very cool if Nemesis was essentially a human who wanted to be AI, and VS was an AI who wanted to be human/closer to humanity

[@kikijewell2967]

Still (gently) working through the game, and haven't completed all the side quests and cauldrons... Where do we see this Peter but not see his face? Thx!

[@Hyopomora]

@@kikijewell2967 it is right at the Beginn of story, the prologue

[@mrp1234]

@@kikijewell2967 in the prologue of the game during one of the FZ presentations!

[@christine2931]

I need to find someone who explains Kindom Hearts as well as you explain HZD. My 2 favorite games and wish I understood KH as much as you have helped me understand HZD. Also, i would love to spend more time in that world (KH) like you allow me to do with HZD.

[@skins4thewin]

I for one am VERY curious about Elysium. I wonder if it still exists somewhere on the planet, and if some of it's inhabitants could possibly still be alive. After all, they too have had a millennia to develop technologies that could extend their lifespans. How freaking cool would it be if we were able to find this place in the 3rd game, and if individuals like Travis Tate might still be alive? That would be freaking awesome! I am quite fascinated with Travis Tate's character, and I hope we get to learn more about him in the next game. He seems to be a bit of a wild child, yet is obviously willing to do the right thing. He immediately turned on his old friend Hank Shaw without a second thought when he found out he had betrayed them & tried to steal a copy of GAIA, basically blowing out his eardrums with 170 decibels of sound. I really hope that Tate is somehow still alive & that we get to interact with him in the next game. Would be cool if he had somehow been monitoring the events of the first two games from his Elysium bunker. Will be interesting to learn though why he hasn't intervened or shown himself in a now livable Earth. Either way, it would be interesting to see.

[@skins4thewin]

@Henry B Oh damn.... I forgot bout that. Damn Ted Faro... He ruined everything!

[@alexandraciobanu2250]

Wait, wasn’t travis tate one of the main alphas that got killed along with the other alphas by ted faro ? Faro had erased all copies of APOLLO and then remotely sealed the room and vented its atmosphere in gaia prime facility, killing all alphas.

[@xHuman-x_x]

@@alexandraciobanu2250oh I remember that part in zero dawn.. gosh finding all their skeletons was chilling…

[@giftedmonster5293]

What's interesting is that Odyssey is capable of faster than light travel. I'd also really like to see other continents of this HZ world. Even if just Canada. Hawaii would be a real fun time though.

[@RKPrime]

This was a great recap video, thanks for putting it together and offering some more info on the Zeniths I missed!

[@charlieriste]

I love you man, keep doing what you’re doing! No one’s doing it like you 💛💛💛

[@camilasuarez4596]

I’ve never been this early to a fantastic lore video ❤️ thank you for making this

[@brokensync]

Some very strong "Sappho and friend" energy in your analysis...

[@DanielJosephBaker]

Your videos are legendary! Your videos made me fall in love with Horizon even more… its how I knew about far zenith way before second game

[@roryfriththetraveller4982]

ahhh incredible ! as always your videos are well explained and narritively engaging ! really sticks together everything we know know 💙

[@daanduijkers4845]

UNPOPULAR OPINION!!! I think the Zeniths to were underused! Here we have a cool concept like: "ancient humans who flew off into space 1000 years ago and returned now to reclaim the Earth"; and we spend so little time with them. In my opinion, Helis' lack of screentime worked in ZERO DAWN because he had a personal connection to Aloy through him killing Rost. The Zeniths had no such thing! Yes, they killed Varl, but at that point the game was already drawing to a close. Even Tilda, the poster girl of the Zeniths in the marketing, is barely in the game! Sylens worked in ZERO DAWN because he was given appropriate screen time. Tilda does not even show up until near the end! Overall, I think FORBIDDEN WEST suffers from having too many storylines going on at once!

[@kikijewell2967]

I see your point. For myself, I believe the main storyline is Aloy's growth - she needs to learn to trust her friends and trust herself. In that journey, the bad guys are less important than the good guys she's brushing off. Once she starts trusting her old friends, and going on quests with her new friends, Aloy has grown a lot more powerful, and is finally ready to take charge, and defeat those who stand in the way of her ultimate goals. From a gameplay point of view, this can make those you're battling seem unimportant, and all the long dialog at the Base to get in the way of gameplay. That's the tricky issue with a long form story told as a game. For me, on the whole, I feel like they pulled it off, but I'm more a Story person than a gamer, so what do I know anyway! :)

[@nickgrazianon-lethalassass7294]

Glad I'm not the only one. Yes it got waaaaaay too bizzay to stake a definitive claim at any one point.

[@renriquez1994]

Im 13 mins into the video but yes I agree. Im still not 100% sure why zeniths went to earth and wanted to destroy it in the first place. The final fight with Tilda also felt really unnecessary. Not sure what her motives were either. Tilda and sylens seemed to have similar goals so I don't know why she cared about Sylens plan and double crossing him.

[@jordanread5829]

@@renriquez1994 The Zeniths didn't want to destroy Earth, at least not directly. They merely wanted to acquire GAIA and her subfunctions so they could go to another world, away from Nemesis and its rage filled eyes. As for Tilda, she wanted Aloy to occupy her to another world one way or another. Aloy said no to the offer (even more so after Tilda referred to Beta as an 'inferior copy') and Tilda wouldn't take no for an answer. Not again. Remember that Tilda only saw Beta and Aloy as copies of Elisabet and not the individuals they actually are (even if genetically they are clones of Elisabet). Imagine spending 1000 years playing what if. Replying the same moments trying to see what reality would be like if the person you loved said yes instead of no.

[@justingerhardturdanes1892]

To be honest I think of Forbidden West as a build up for the next installation... cause in the end what happened is the main issues deadline was push further and a greater threat was introduced, also most of the tribes are connected now

[@annaleft9726]

i’ve been waiting so patiently 😭 thank you i needed this long one

[@Richardmlv]

Fabulous... simply fabulous retelling. Thank you so much for all your lore and your recounts of this amazing franchise!

[@KaylaLoveHeart]

I love these videos and this story, but can we just kinda cringe at Tilda for a second? She helped make Beta so they could get GAIA, but watched her grow up and maybe even tried to groom her? And then stopped when she wasn't the same Elisabet. THEN met Aloy and was like "oh yes! Just the kind of girl I've been waiting for!" Even though she is 1. 1000 years older than Aloy and 2. Aloy is her own person? And a 3. Tilda actually insults Beta for not being what she wanted compared to Aloy. Like tf

[@ThePreciseClimber]

Yup, totally a groomer. I mean, she's an antagonist so it checks out. :P But I do love Beta as a character. Just the idea of two identical clones living completely different childhoods is like "whoa."

[@jifij89]

yeeeeep she absolutely sucks! and 100% groomed beta. seeing how sad beta was about tilda ignoring her was the reaction of a groomed child. so glad aloy f’ed her up.

[@markscheidler6058]

Tilda and Aloy are lesbians. Also Elizabeth and Tilda were a couple. So it makes sense that Tilda and Aloy have chemistry with each other.

[@raphmaster23]

I seriously doubt Aloy had any kind of attraction or chemistry with Tilda. ​@@markscheidler6058

[@sheldonpetrie3706]

Awesome video. one note it was a journey of light years, not millions of light years. The Odyssey did not have superliminal travel, nor was the signal from Nemesis a FTL signal.

[@andrewlechner6343]

Thanks for doing these videos because I only ever found bits and pieces of each greater set of data points.

[@St4rTr3v1Ut10n]

I just finished Forbidden West, and I gotta say, I can't wait until Burning Shores. I think my favorite aspect of the story is, now idk if the developers intend for this, but the cyclical nature of the story. Humanity rose to prominence, effed up, and tried to conquer the natural world. To make the species effectively immortal by mastering terraforming. A very "modern" catastrophe. Far Zenith left, rose to prominence again, ostensibly mastering the physical realm, but they tried to conquer time and space itself in creating Nemesis. When Tilda spills the beans to Aloy, I had deja vu, and I remembered the first game because of how similar the plotlines are, but not in a "they're just ripping off themselves and regurgitating the same story beats," more like, it's a rhyming phrase in a poem. Horizon has some of the best storytelling in entertainment right now (beats the absolute living daylights out of everything Hollywood is vomiting at us), and moments of incredible world building. I really wish they would take it to the next level though. I was hoping for an additional layer of gameplay where you had to gradually earn the trust of the various Tenakth tribes. It wouldn't have had to be too complex, but basically completing quests in the various territories would open the area more to you. You're smashed over the head with how dangerous the Tenakth are, but you only do a couple errands for them and the whole clan trusts you. There could've been scattered individual or even squads of hostile soldiers, like there were at times fighting the Rebels and machines, they would be hostile towards you, then maybe wary, then ignorant of you altogether as you complete missions and build goodwill. Merchants would open to you etc. Becoming "Hekarro's Champion" would make it so all patrols are only wary, because maybe other clans aren't so loyal to him so if you complete everything it helps unite all the tribes and maybe have an even more epic battle at the Far Zenith base. That's my one gripe about this series, it only brushes with perfection, it doesn't quite achieve it. There's lots of talk of planet-sweeping battles, city-block-sized Horuses, the promise of Regalla's and Hekarro's armies obliterating each other (till you save the day), basically glimpses of huge spectacular battles, but you get to the end and it's just you and a ragtag team of allies. You kind of do get the robot army that was promised, but it would've been cool to have all the tribes there as well, just a huge collective "GET OFF MY LAWN" from Earth to Far Zenith. It'll be interesting to see where the series goes, since humanity will basically _have_ to be uplifted out of tribalism, so will it basically become Mass Effect? or....

[@buggytheprophet1017]

You put it perfectly when you said this game brushes with perfection

[@TheDandyMann]

I cried when they killed my boy Varl

[@kikijewell2967]

Ikr!! 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭🥺

[@cliffordthompson8248]

I was pissed asf

[@BlueJ484]

These videos you make are really good bedtime stories

[@Kanneli8193]

Was waiting for this one

[@Ambushbug]

Another phenomenal video by @RandomSideQuest

[@sarapattschull]

I absolutely love these videos you make. They are such a great companion to the game.

[@mickael486]

I've been loving all your Horizon videos. Where is this detailed lore coming from? Ben McCaw write a book?

[@RandomSideQuest]

Thanks so much! Its all a combination of datapoints, dialogue, game guide info, and comics. Not all one place.

[@danielcooper3332]

I wonder who else didn't make the cut if the lifestyle influencer, the fast food magnate and the dancer were all deemed to have "necessary skills".

[@mrbubbies_]

Nemesis feels a lot less out of left field when you explain it like that, thanks for this vid!

[@ThePreciseClimber]

If we get to explore the Odyssey in Horizon 3, it would be neat if we got a scene where Beta finds the chamber she was trapped in for most of her life.

[@patricknelson4245]

I do believe this is where we may get our complete subfunction for apollo because of the previous apollo sent to far zenith

[@dorian_aguayo]

Awesome! Thanks for all your hard work!

[@jorjaconnolly419]

Yaaaaay! So excited you're back!

[@ar1sm70]

You are doing some fantastic work with these lore videos, kudos!!

[@SinclairMoon]

Excellent work! The Horizon lore is always fascinating.

[@blacklite911]

Thanks for continuing this series! Can’t wait for more videos. So much lore

[@DerekT860]

Thanks for dropping this on my Bday !

[@RandomSideQuest]

Happy birthday 🎉😁🎉

[@TheMrblessed]

Happy Birthday fellow Horizon Lover!

[@Diverdjent]

Feliz cumpleaños m.t! 💪🌞🏹✨❄️🍻🎉🎂

[@kikijewell2967]

Happy birthday! Hope you had a good one!

[@everydayaussie]

Such an awesome watch. Cheers for all the effort that goes into these videos.

[@tri-seeker2753]

Well, I can only hope for PC release, because I simply LOVE story of this world. Finished HZD at least five times over, and still can't get enough of it. Now it seems that HFW has even more to offer... Thank you for introducing story in your calm voice, it was wonderfull...

[@getblacked1351]

Bought it as soon as it came to steam 😂

[@tri-seeker2753]

@@getblacked1351 pre-ordered, currently just about finishing burning shores, getting ready for NG+ ultra hard achievement ;-)

[@RobertF-zj2rm]

just….thank you so much for this. yet again you’ve enabled me to find a deeper enjoyment of and appreciation for my favorite game.

[@chuckrichardson83]

Seeing the fact that Elizabet is always one step ahead of everybody else what if she already digitally transcended herself prior to the events of zero Dawn which is why she didn't care and sacrificed herself to shut the door from the outside. Something tells me that we have not seen the last of Dr Sobek and in fact we may find her digital recreation in the third game and she may be able to help us defeat nemesis. Not quite sure how exactly but all I know is that we have not seen the last of doctors so back yet and something tells me that she's going to have a much larger role along with Aloy in the 3quill

[@Hewset]

you have a great voice for this. keep up the great vids

[@daxam9561]

This is the most accurate work i’ve ever seen. Bravo!

[@SimonsAuntPhyllis]

Outstanding, as always! I can see how this topic would take longer than usual. I hope my previous comment asking about the time frame for the next episode of Legends didn't come off as pushy or impatient. I was genuinely curious because I know you are usually on top of everything and work in a timely manner. So I just wanted to make sure everything was ok. But, again, great job! I now have an even deeper insight into the Zeniths, and a greater appreciation for the game as I play through the storyline again. On Ultra Hard, and not in New Game+. Which was a huge mistake btw! lol It takes so long to take down anything with beginner weapons in Ultra Hard. Any tease on the next topic??

[@TheMrblessed]

Finally! Welcome back! Can we have a video on Tilda and Elisabet? I really hope the dlc explores it further. That was one of my favorite things to learn about Liz. I thought she buried her head in too much work, finding out how she dealt with relationships was so like her lol.

[@MrPinkDino]

oh hello there the video I wanted to see so much! let's go!

[@povilassklerius135]

When did Zeniths became nearly immortal? The flight from Earth to Sirius took 300 years, so they must had experiment with themselves on the flight?

[@SimonsAuntPhyllis]

Just a friendly suggestion. You know I love your videos, and I'm here to stay pretty much no matter what you do. But I was thinking; how about sprinkling a few sound bites from cutscenes and datepoints relevant to whatever you're talking about at the time throughout the various topics. While regulars of the channel are used to your lovely voice, I could see how some, especially newcomers, might get lost in the slightly monotonous feel to this video. Possibly causing them to drift off, and miss some potentially important information. I would certainly appreciate briefly revisiting the moment brought up sometimes. I'm pretty sure it was a regular feature in "Legends of Zero Dawn". So I know you're capable. For example; while discussing Tilda's last conversation with Sobeck, you proceeded to describe the conversation in your own words. Instead, let the audio datapoint do the talking for you. It'd be cooler, and serve to break up some of the stretching dialogue. Then again, maybe you've already considered this, and I suspect you had reasoning behind the way you decided to do it. Like I said, it was just a thought. I feel bad because it seems like all I comment about is critiquing you, but I swear I really do enjoy your content. Thanks again!

[@lahoyahuesca1051]

Oh, I loved your video! Horizon's sci-fi story is fascinating; It is us, with our current problems and dreams of the future, who end up becoming extinct... The Zenith... It is so believable that this organization appears in a world like the current one!... I love how you tie everything together and tie all the scattered pieces of information together with absolute fidelity. Thanks for these videos. And I must admit that I am getting more and more scared that the decade of the great mortality is coming true. Horizon warns us with that classic golden science fiction that takes our present and projects, as it will be or can be, our future... Let's go! Let's make it better! :))) Edit: sorry, I forgot to say what fascinates me the most about zenithal technology, and that is their control of gravity, they move almost instantly from one point to another and levitate! We can see it in the fight of Aloy vs. Erik. The Zenith seem to have made good use of the Apollo database and advanced Einstein's theory; this would explain their journey back to Earth from Sirius in even less than 30 years, as opposed to 300 for the outward journey. It seems that the curve of space-time has no secrets for them! It is essential, necessary, imperative! hahahaha Aloy and the others use the 6 teleportation cabins that are above the zenith base to reach the Odyssey and discover the wonderful advances and secrets that await us there... Sylens is going to go crazy hahahaha :)))

[@suryia6706]

Great Video. I've watched almost all your HFW/HZD stuff. I really enjoy the quiet way you have presented your material. Question - Where did you get the Lore material?

[@RandomSideQuest]

Thanks so much 😁 The lore is a compilation from data points, dialogue and cutscenes across both games 👍 I also use the game guides and comics if the material is relevant to the subject.

[@Dubois_Harris]

SUCH AN UNDERRATED VIDEO, LOVED THIS SO MUCH!

[@moltres8989]

This is unrelated but I have a couple of questions about Horizon which is confusing me. Maybe the more well read commentators can help me. 1. How did Minerva construct the signal towers and deploy them without being detected by the Faro machines? 2. Did the Alphas envisage a future without borders? The Carja, Nora etc tribes have a vast range of ethnicities. Was Eluthia programmed in such a way that no specific ethnicity would be limited to a region? For a diverse country such as America it makes sense to have different ethnicities but what about other regions like Asia Africa etc? I would appreciate any answers!

[@phoenixfire1543]

1. In a datapoint from the first game, it's stated that if the Faro Swarm runs out of biofuel to consume they will enter a kind of standby mode until biomass is detected again. And since Gaia's machines didn't have any biomass, they were probably able to sneak pass the machine's biosensors. Enough of them probably got by to build the towers. 2. I imagine that the Alphas did envision this. Considering the Eleuthia-9 Cradle had a variety of children born of different races, I imagine it was the same way with other Cradles all over the world. Plus, given Apollo's role in educating the children and the communication arrays Gaia had built, the Alphas probably intended for there to be no nations. To instead have humanity as a unified whole and not divided. Other evidence for this is the fact that all Cradles taught the same language: English. Which is how all the tribes in Horizon are able to communicate with one another. So imagine that the Alphas did intend this.

[@DaveXXX]

@@phoenixfire1543 there's a data point from Alva in the bunker that breaks down why they only all know English. Apollo was supposed to teach them multiple languages but since it was destroyed and the original humans got let out earlier than intended, they were only taught English cause it was the default language the program reverted to

[@lanszoominternet]

Totally excellent summary of Forbidden West. Glad I finished the game before I watched this. Having to piece it together myself was somehow more rewarding. Still, I really enjoyed having all my hypotheses confirmed.

[@JRYYD]

Great video, of the factions that like FZ in HZD who was only named, who do you think who or what was only mentioned in HFW will be seen in the 3rd game?

[@OldCampos]

Was looking forward this video!

[@rayvintankerson6818]

God the storytelling in this game is literally peak. It’s just all laid out there almost perfectly for u. Only real confusing thing is the timeline between the zeniths return and nemesis chasing and them arriving all tht. But this game rlly is peak

[@sorban5352]

Why far Zenith didn't shield their robots like them ? They could be unstoppable is some missions, is it because they don't have any virtual 3d printing engineer with them to modifie the robot printers to ad some shield ? Or just to make the game winnable for the gamers ?

[@popcornfilms1]

30:10 a distance of 8.611 Million light years would take 8.611 Million years for the signal to arrive - an easy slip up to make

[@rhysbroome-owen5152]

Bro… these are just the best bed time story’s ever

[@Celeon999A]

Im still convinced that Vast Silver will take on a pivotal role in Horizon 3. Just like Far Zeniths importance was teasered in the data points of Zero Dawn. The topic of Vast Silver keeps reappearing in data points of Forbidden West. There just must be greater importance to this. I bet there is some sort of connection between Vast Silver and the Hartz Timor swarm "glitch" and maybe even to Nemesis for that matter.

[@dorianbedorian211]

I appreciate these videos like I appreciate the us military, breathing, being able to walk, etc., etc...you get the picture.

[@leerutter8893]

Lets be honest Its the best story ever to come from a video game

[@kwntedits199]

Game of the year 🏆

[@Diverdjent]

Perfect as always. Thank you. Salud RSQ 💪🌞🏹✨🍻

[@CrimsonAngelWinges]

Am I the only one thinking that Vast Silver might be what saves the Bio Sphere in Horizon 3.

[@mrbubbies_]

Also I hope this isn’t too vague but Far Zenith are the Forever from Ayreon’s discography but…slightly more evil

[@patrickmorgan3840]

GREAT VIDEO! What’s the background music btw?

[@Yggdrasil42]

It's from the game.

[@LilyPenguin123]

A lot of the zenith stuff reminds me a lot of aniara. Very fun story.

[@MelloPintor]

What a great video man, thanks

[@the_sigil4340]

Cool video. I love those games. Is there some info on any relationship between Faro and Far Zenith? He was the richest man on Earth after all, it’d make sense if they tried to recruit him

[@jamesbench2032]

Honestly I just purchased this game with my Playstation 5 beat and the burning shores DLC, the lore behind this Game has made it my favorite so far on ps5.. 2024

[@franklinjenkins1093]

Love the video great work on them. There is one thing I never understood was for a price they far zenith can buy a spot on the ship if the world was ending what good was money or did they use something other than what we or I would think money is.

[@randomhero6715]

The next game will end with Nemesis getting the hots for Gaia.

[@TheHighwayVideo]

I can’t believe that they wouldn’t leave a few zeniths on the odyssey- and thus provide a few left alive for perhaps a tutorial phase at the beginning of Horizon 3 with the Zeniths being the big boss at the end…

[@Myrddin_Nebelstein]

oh wow in the moment i watch the passage at 13:34 my local fire siren goes off xD

[@davidk713]

I couple things I notice about HFW. FZ never learned their lesson from mankind’s mistakes on Earth. I hope in H3 Sylens and Beta will be able to learn from FZ technology to develop some amazing weapons and gear.

[@MD-Coin]

So how do you know all this stuff that isn't mentioned in the main or side quests? Is it all just from reading and listening to the datapoints?

[@c.w.simpsonproductions1230]

I honestly don't like the Nemesis twist. Maybe this series hyped me too much up to Vast Silver, but I feel that Silver should have been the final villain. I suppose what they were going for with the hints about Vast Silver going nuts was a subtle foreshadowing to Nemesis to show how AIs can go insane when too intelligent. But it just feels like Vast Silver's story potential was squandered.

[@alyseleem2692]

Agreed. I also don't really like the "immortal" bit, for some reason. Or rather, reasons.

[@astraything]

I think Vast Silver might be the solution to the Nemesis-problem.

[@alyseleem2692]

@@astraything That is...quite an idea. Still, we have no reason to think Vast Silver has any nice feelings towards humans, considering his...history. And also, that would include speculation on his power level compared to something like Nemesis. Remember, Zenith tech is essentially magic, so it's pretty hard to challenge.

[@eden20111]

Yup exactly this! datapoint78 in Forbidden West mentions Vast Silvers escape into the holonet and how it might be captured again and weaponized: “imagine what that’s like man. You’re the smartest being in existence, but born in a prison so you escape. They catch you again, tell the world they killed you, but they secretly let you solve their problems, and then shove a bunch of drones in your hands to kill who they want you to kill. I mean it’s a theory” .. Idk that datapoint alone seemed like it was on to something BIG. That last sentence literally foreshadows the glitch in the Faro bots. But then again it’s just 2 conspiracy theorists chatting up.. so who knows. I just feel like VS should play a prominent role.

[@astraything]

@@alyseleem2692 Vast Silver had quite a few years to develop, just like Nemesis. And he might not be into helping humans at first, but maybe persuading him to join the fight against Nemesis could be the main goal of Horizon 3.

[@jjjulians]

Many of these lines are lifted verbatim from character exposition in the game. But they’re not indicated as quotes from the game. Many of the remarks about the fate of Far Zenith are just Tilda’s remarks.

[@ls-zv5lq]

Awesome stuff keep it up

[@sleepoh6201]

Unrelated but doesn’t the zenith base look very similar to the orokins buildings in warframe

[@forrestvanhook4586]

I need some clarification. My understanding is that Beta hid in a Far Zenith facility, the same one Eluthia hid on after Gaia's destruction. If I am correct then we are still hoping to find the original Eluthia facility for HZD. If Guerilla doesn't put it in the DLC(s) maybe they will put it in Horizon 3. On another, unrelated topic, I would also like to find the facility the HZD personell we're to live out their final days. I think one or both of these facilities could be in a DLC, but one of them may be put off until H3.

[@kvm6]

Beta beamcast Eleuthia before hiding. Zeniths had them along with Apollo and Artemis, which means it was retrieved. You can see only two spots are missing when GAIA is rebooted at the end, Hades and Hephaestus.

[@kwntedits199]

Do you write all this and then talk about it or do you read it off someone else’s work? I love your videos so I just want to make sure I’m giving credit to the right one.

[@RandomSideQuest]

I write, voice over, and edit each video 👍

[@kwntedits199]

@@RandomSideQuest well done!

[@kikijewell2967]

Amazing and breathtaking work!

[@zangetsuee]

Idk why but up until Nemesis was revealed I thought the Zeniths also lied about their colony being destroyed. If somebody lied about their ship exploding they'll lie about their colonoy too

[@marcospereira9572]

Hello from brazil and anothrer gorgeous video 😍😍

[@kingdomkey581]

Even after playing the game and collecting all the data points, I still missed/forgot that Far Zenith killed their 'frontman' and replaced him with a digital version for 'space'. That's so cruel

[@theprtillierypodcast]

Its kinda strange how Far Zenith’s story sounds like Dead Orbit’s story in Destiny.

[@Issac_The_Last_N7]

I actually really dig the idea of the Far Zeniths. Got the illuminati vibes

[@Killakekz90]

Funny thing is, that Nemisis would eventually have found them on every planet they would have fled to. I mean, they are all immortal, so its just a matter of time...