Lorimer Moseley 'Body in mind - the role of the brain in chronic pain' at Mind & Its Potential 2011

[@sandiebentley1804]

I love how you explain pain Lorimer , often refer people to your talk. Thank you for helping me to understand my pain

[@jaclyncamacho2420]

32 years old, living with Rheumatoid Disease for 17 years and currently wheelchair bound. I understand chronic debilitating pain. It's a very anger inducing, lonely state. I understand how you guys feel. Love and support

[@reg8297]

jaclyn sorry your in pain I'm same I'm sure u don't think that by just telling your brain your not in pain it changes and your out of pain

[@keb1987]

I'm 27. Chronic Pain has been with me for 10 years, and has been my ENTIRE reality for 2 months now. Most days, I wish I was dead, the headaches are so bad. This video gave me the hope I desperately needed tonight.

[@Sledgehammer1944]

I'm also 27 years old. I've had chronic pain now every day that even effects me while I sleep for 3 years. Sometimes it feels better if I can manage to calm the anxiety down. For me anxiety is directly related to the pain. A good book you should look into if you haven't yet is "Unlearn Your Pain" by Doctor Howard Schubiner.

[@lucheeese]

Dd the book work for you?

[@Sledgehammer1944]

McBirdsong - The book was working for me and I began to make progress, but to be honest I haven't picked it up in about a month because I lost my job; due to my issues they got rid of me. So I've been frantically trying to get a new job and pay off my debt. To make a long story short my pain, tension and anxiety is worse right now than its ever been but at least I have a job now. I'm going to get back to work on it soon. It seems like bits and pieces of different books will work for you and the combination of all of the techniques can bring peace to your life. As for me, its been a hell of a lot of work and I'm lazy when I'm nervous and depressed.

[@Sledgehammer1944]

It is a very lonely place to be. That loneliness and intense feelings of isolation gives me panic attacks alone.

[@reg8297]

I'm same as you Katie how are u Now I got chronic neuropathic pain

[@marywalls1951]

Makes a lot of sense about why I'm in a lot of pain, thankyou, x

[@orangerose4u]

Excellent Lorimer, not just the accuracy of the content, the presentation was brilliant. So well said and done. Congradulations. The answer to your last question is The Feldenkrais Method.

[@PinkOrchid8]

I found this interesting, yet frustrating. There are no alternate resources to be accessed via health service- so what is the point?

[@self-treatmentexercise4132]

A great watch and one important piece of the puzzle of chronic pain. At the same time, the work of mindfulness and other important techniques like somatic experiencing are critical to changing pain too

[@RobertF-]

Extremely interesting talk. If anyone is interested in Lorimer Moseley I think they should also know about Dr. John Sarno and Dr. Howard Schubiner. They talk about very similar things involving the mind-body connection and how the mind is involved with chronic pain.

[@kdyer108]

And Dr. Daniel Clauw, he has a great 90 minute video on youtube of a lecture he gives to patients.

[@RobertF-]

***** Thanks for mentioning Dr. Daniel Clauw. His talk is extremely interesting.

[@heathercharhayes]

I just bought Howard's book - 28 days to unlearn your pain. He also has great talks on KZbin.

[@carlosangulo11]

Great video! Thank you 🙏🏻 Unconditional love to all ❤️ ♾️ 🌌 The pain I was experiencing greatly reduced when I started being grateful in advance with God/Universe/Life for my healing and not having any pain. The attitude of gratitude is very powerful regardless of your current situation. And don't say "my pain" don't own it, is not yours. Words, thoughts. Feelings are very powerful, too.

[@maxximumb]

Thank you for posting this.

[@Anna1047-m1g]

He's right, u can retrain the brain!! 2 years of terrible terrible chronic neck pain and it's finally so insignificant I barely think about it. It only stopped getting worse when I started pain reprocessing therapies and techniques. It's no joke guys! I had tried everything! Nothing else did anything but this

[@benjamincordes207]

Wow great talk. Mind blowing and well presented.

[@408valentina]

I lived with pain for about ten years from uterine tumors. I learned how to calm the muscles in my abdomen to help alleviate the pain.

[@reg8297]

How do u calm the pain to allow to do all other tasks you could do in past but can't now

[@reg8297]

I can't work it lift if I try to as much as a bottle I'm stabbed out thru my body

[@modaca41]

How does this relate to rashes. I know what causes rashes (more or less) but would like to know more about it.

[@tashavladimiroff1874]

A man read ended me and fractured my vertebrae at c4. I went through two years of agonizing treatments then eventually had a spinal fusion at c-4/5. This was in 2001. I have not had one pain free day unless I was put under for surgery. Last year I battled breast cancer. Talk about pain. Chemo was brutal. I’m really trying to explore my options, starting with low levels of thc.

[@MiguelRamirez-ie4yu]

God I feel for you u was rearended too and lost my whole life unfortunately ringing tinggling nerve pain feels like electrctuion and no one can help me

[@heathercharhayes]

What a guy! Hilarious 🤣 and great information.

[@dsimonson2296]

Love love lover Lorimer Moseley. My hero.

[@robinhoman8594]

References to you research please!

[@mauimeowi]

I have a back injury, neck injury, Endometriosis with Adenomyosis, ovarian cysts AND Central Sensitization Syndrome. Life sucks. Pain 24/7. I can't sleep, I can't always eat, I'm depressed, I have chronic fatigue. I don't want to die, I want to live. But I can't live like this, this is no life. Pain medication works for everything but I'm told they make CSS worse. So what can I do? I get nowhere with my doctors.

[@Kaliincarnate]

But how do I retrain my brain!? I can't seem to find anything on this.

[@kdyer108]

pain psychology, this is not something to be done alone. Look for a multidisciplinary approach that includes PT, OT, pain psychology, and physician as a team approach. Depends on where you are located if they are available.

[@EssentialSomatics]

Brilliant presentation! Feldenkrais Method and Hanna Somatic Education can teach people to "retrain the brain to retrain precision," as Lorimer Moseley said. What the brain can't sense due to stress adaptation of the muscular system, it can no longer control. That includes muscles and movement. No movement = pain in many cases. Improve the sensory motor system and many cases of muscle pain disappear.

[@janellebunn7861]

Essential Somatics .

[@dsteinman100]

Awesome!

[@coreysnyder3813]

Thank you!!! #PT

[@nicolawilliamson1200]

Very interesting but what do I do about it, how do I change the way my brain works

[@RobertF-]

+Nicola Williamson I don't know if you are familiar with Dr. John Sarno and Dr. Howard Schubiner, but you might find their books and work interesting.

[@sarabrittlegill9587]

I use an app called curable. Lots of resources and support from a huge user group based all over the world. Not too expensive either

[@katiebergeron9395]

Thanks. My pain managemnt dr made me what this video. 👋

[@Greeksoopaman]

Who is your Dr? I'm in the NY area.

[@angelawels5181]

What about chronic nerve pain as a result of a spinal cord injury?I think that the nerveous system is actually damaged...

[@alisonkerr263]

I totally agree. Had spinal cord compression and thus surgery in 2013, and I find it difficult to breath. I too believe the nervous system is actually damaged. I don't think anyone can understand unless they live it.

[@artessay]

Great question. I have MS so therefore scarred nerves on my spine. I am on a cocktail of meds to back off the pain. Annoying as if I run out I really know about it!. I read in the book The Brain That Changes itself that we can build on neural pathways that may have been used...a bit like when a freeway has traffic you take a back road. Barbara from the Arrowsmith Institute at Toronto has a lived experience, not so much with pain but with learning disability. Her TED talks are inspiring

[@diegogarberoglio3574]

Lorimer's speech applies mostly to chronic pain cases where the level of pain experienced by the individual is dysproportional to the amount of tissue injury (e.g. lower back pain). With the example you mentioned, there seem to be a clear anatomical origin to the experienced pain. That said, pain education and knowledge can be beneficial in ANY circumstance but does not solve the problem. It helps in providing a mean of non-pharmacological or non-surgical management. Wishing you the very best!

[@judyburnside9891]

Interesting and liked his accent and humor.

[@reg8297]

I have chronic daily pain It's like I'm been stabbed out thru my back And Stomach My MRI Says I have slipped vertebrae and two disc buldges pressing on l five nerve roots I don't believe it's what we tell ourselves I cannot work do normal everyday activities washing clothes carry clothes to my line and no amount of meditations and telling myself it's not there changes that

[@jesseweenk]

The pain you have is absolutely real as you might well have heard. The slipped vertebrae and two disc buldges could very well keep sending signals to your brain that there is something not right. Try seeing a physio therapist specialised in these sort of things if you are still coping with this problem.

[@davidschechtermd3197]

Key message: pain does not always mean damage. Once this is confirmed by a doctor and you internalize this fact as a belief , pain improves. Hence "Think Away Your Pain".

[@p123-i9s]

No, it doesn't. Not in my experience, sadly.

[@kdyer108]

unfortunately pain is not managed well in the US. There are some pain programs that take a multidisciplinary approach, that help you change you perception of pain just as Moseley talks about. This kind of approach yields the best results, decrease in pain, depression, and anxiety. Increased control over pain and life, and improved functioning. Programs like this need to be the future of pain management, as it provides best outcomes for pain patients.

[@mrtrashcompaktor1540]

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[@jayt.22]

p123 me neither, unfortunately. I have actually damage on my spinal cord, in the Cervical region. There is also a high T2 signal change, predominantly to the sensory aspect of my cord. This equates to constant pain that does not shift and has not improved post-op. I would gladly give up some function just so I can get a break from the excruciating burning pain.

[@stuartbolter]

David Schechter MD Really ???? No wonder the NHS is in such trouble

[@beyondteaching6503]

Is the snake story true?

[@bonniepatrick8239]

Has anyone had success using a Theracane?

[@alonealotta]

24 min talk and no real or tangible statement on how to change the situation~seems like that's all in 100 videos I've watched on this~frustrating~ causing me further brain pain~what's the solution Mr. Mosely?

[@Chrillechamp]

Hi Mystic Dandellion. I don't know what kind of pain you suffer from, but I will at least share you my way of dealing with chronic pain. After suffering from headaches from a concussion for almost 6 years, it has gradually gotten a lot better and I have now come a long way to a painfree life. I can't tell you it's been an easy road, but what I learned has grown me in a big way and will continue to grow me every day. I've made some points to structure my nuggets ;) 1. You have to teach yourself to be present in your pain physical or psychological, no matter how intense it is, and to accept, that here and now it hurts and there is not much to do about it right now. If you had scans and so forth, and there is no tissue damage, learn to tell yourself that there is no danger. Pain feeds on psychological pain, and it cannot remain if we don't feed it with fear/anger/frustration etc. When you are present in your pain when you feel it's about to overwhelm you, you don't resist it. The funny thing is, five minutes later you can find yourself absorbed in something you like, like a good book, not thinking about it anymore, because you dont "feed the troll", that is, the negative feelings about the pain. When you feel the pain strongly again and cannot disregard it anymore, be in it again. Over time you can learn to be in the pain, while you are doing a task, watching TV etc. Taking some deep breaths through the nose is important here, to stay focused, and not overwhelmed! 2. Try to pin point where excactly it hurts, when it hurts. This helps the brain tune in so your pain perception gets more precise like Moseley talks about. Also, it takes some of the mystique away and it can make it easier to handle in the long run. 3. I know this is very counter intuitive, but trust me on this. It helps you relax, and to relax is key to end pain in the long run! 4. I can tell you these practices requires strength and persistency, which are not inexaustable "resources". Recharge your strength and life force by exercising (try to at least walk every day), spending time in nature, with your friends and family and doing things you love. This is probably the most important advise of all! 5. Learn to be mindful. In this case, pay attention to what your mind is telling you, without judging it. A lot of time it will be about your pain. By listening to the voices you get the choice to accept or reject what that voice is telling you. And much of the time it's the same old record with blame, guilt, fear, anger, sadness, withdrawal and so on. Write it down if it helps. Bringing stuff up to your full consciousness is the only way to deal with it. 6. Learn to connect with your body. Relaxationg techniques or just focusing on your breath is the best to do this. Also learn to breath with your diaphragm, through your nose, so it becomes a habit. These techniques will, through practise, calm your nervous system and ground yourself in your body. This will calm your mind, because the body and mind is so intimately connected. This will, in turn, reduce your pain. Some feel pain relief just like that, but lasting changes only come after months of practice. Persistency is key! 7: Learn what is right and wrong for you in various situations. Learn to say no when you really need rest and alone time. But also learn to reach out when you need somebody there. Have somebody you can open yourself to, and know that you are OK even though you have some pain you cannot explain. Learn to follow your gut feeling and positive intentions and not what the pain is trying to scare you with. 8. Also, try and find a good therapist. Ask around your friends and family who is good. Whether it's a psychyatrist, physiotherapist, chiropractician, accupressure therapist or another type of therapist is less important than the skills and empathy of the therapist. 9. Keep a pain diary. Score your pain with a pain average over the day from 0-10. Again, don't expect changes over days, but appreciate and celebrate the slow but steady changes. 10. Most of these things only work if they become habits. Try not to make too many habits at once since it will weigh you down and make you quit and feel hopeless. 11. Use your pain to learn and grow and appreciate the insight you get. There is no better teacher than pain according to spiritual teachers like Eckhart Tolle. And remember that even though you cannot see the whole staircase, you can almost always see the next step if you learn to follow your intuition. Again, I don't know what kind of pain you have, but I hope that you can benefit from the advise of another pain sufferer regardless :) Feel free to ask me anything. I wish you all the best, and I am sending you all my positive intentions!

[@alonealotta]

Christian Marstrand TY so much Christian~the time and effort to write me means alot~I am on board with all you say here~I am doing them already but maybe subconscious mind is not well programmed or mind is to stubern?! It's been 15 yrs of body pain and now last few yrs more and more arthritis~for me the #8 point you made has been the hardest to get done~I'm taking full responsibility for my well being now maybe I'll find someone good in the future~wow this from 8 months ago~little improvement~must have been a real bad day~My hubby's name is Christian~no coincidences ! Thank You Again Sweet Soul~☼~your shine is showing !

[@Chrillechamp]

You're very welcome :) The subconscious mind is very stubborn because it wants to protect itself and its beliefs. Therefore it has many layers. Some days you might be frustrated that it feels like you are not going anywhere - just remind you just how far you have already gotten, and encourage yourself to keep going because deep down you know you are moving in the right direction (which I'm glad to hear that you are). Peel off one "layer" at a time. I'm sad to hear you have suffered from arthritis for so long! One therapist I went to said she treated her clients who suffered from arthritis with ginger and turmeric root, which is known to have antiinflammatory properties, with great success. You need one whole ginger root and a third of that of turmeric root, chop it and boil in in 1 liter of water for about 30 minutes. Blend it and let it boil a little more, then filter it and store the fluid in the fridge. Drink half a glass a day, mixed with juice (it tastes bad by itself). Have a great day!

[@Chrillechamp]

Mystic Dandelion Oh, and thank you for your kind words :-)

[@RobertF-]

+Mystic Dandelion Are you familiar with Dr. John Sarno and Dr. Howard Schubiner? If not, you might find their work interesting.

[@michaelpotts9069]

The Australian Nociceptor... Lol.

[@melisawirt9741]

Hypnotherapy Adelaide to help treat chronic pain is fundamentally no different from, say, hypnotherapy for weight loss. That's why though the general advice is to seek help only from license practitioners of hypnotherapy Adelaide, who are trained in spotting the signs of these conditions.

[@mrtrashcompaktor1540]

trainspotting ?

[@caroldavis1852]

Mm

[@alisaandersen8441]

I’m 45 years old and have had chronic pain since I was 10 years old. I’ve had countless doctors. Tell me that the pain is in just in my head. Pretty ironic. Ha ha. I wish he spoke about how to change our mindset. How do we apply this knowledge anywhere? It feels somewhat like false hope to me.

[@christinegriffiths8711]

Cocktails hand rearing a baby

[@truckcompany]

Video is a waste of time. If I wanted to hear jokes, I would go listen to a comedian. Larry David is literally a click away and will actually make me laugh. This is just cringy and the jokes and laughing just distract me from learning about a the science.

[@johnathanabrams8434]

Exactly. Couldn't have said it better

[@truckcompany]

This reminds me of a church service. I hate it.

[@taniafleming4859]

I didn't realise i was going to be watching a stand up comedian. There is nothing funny about chronic pain. He only had a snake bite.

[@paramjeetkaur6591]

This is new way of saying old bullshit which is somatoform disorder. You can definitely improve Ur pain by your thought process but can't ever eliminate it because there are biological factors involved that science does not understand.

[@hardstock07]

How In the hell that my brain and what I feel it’s telling it’s not pain! This is crap! Especially lower L5/S1 hardly no cushion ! He’s more a comedian!

[@explod121]

Would be much better if he stopped trying sooooo hard to be funny! Stick to what you know, not everybody has the ability to be a comedian...

[@selinapoochie]

He is funny though