Loss to Trump Will Wreck Joe Biden's Legacy But Can Jill Biden Accept Reality and Get Him to Quit?

Will Jill Biden accept reality and persuade her husband to stand down? In today's circumstances, if he loses to Trump Biden's legacy will turn to ashes: Edward Luce, Chief US Commentator, Financial Times to Karan Thapar for The Wire
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In a fascinating, detailed and insightful interview where he analyses and discusses Joe Biden’s future as the Democratic candidate in the US presidential election in November, Edward Luce, the Chief US Commentator and Columnist of the Financial Times, says the principle people who can persuade Joe Biden to stand down and opt out of the November election are his wife, Jill, and, possibly, his son, Hunter. At the moment, Jill Biden is deeply committed to the Biden family mantra/law that when you fall down you stand up and fight back but it’s possible that she might come to accept that if, in the present circumstances, Biden loses to Trump his legacy will be reduced to ashes and he will only be remembered as the man who insisted on fighting for a job he was no longer capable of doing and, in the process, endangered everything he and his Party stand for.
In a 29-minute interview to Karan Thapar for The Wire, Edward Luce, also discusses who might be Biden’s replacement on the Democratic ticket. He assesses Kamala Harris’s prospects as well as those of California Governor Gavin Newsom and Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer. Mr. Luce is also asked about speculation that Michelle Obama might step-in but says firmly this is “fantasy”.
Few people understand American politics better than Edward Luce. He is also the Financial Times US National Editor. Earlier he served for several years as the paper’s Chief of Bureau for South Asia based in New Delhi.
If you want to understand Joe Biden’s future as the Democratic candidate for the US presidential election and do so in a thought-provoking but engaging manner, you cannot do better than watch this interview. Edward Luce is both very informed and quite riveting.
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[@calvin8677]

Decades of being in politics strictly to enrich yourself &family isn't a legacy..Joe will be forgotten very quickly &justifiably

[@worldcitizenra]

@@calvin8677 - As the guest interviewee commented, Biden will not be forgotten. If he loses to Trump he will be remembered as the prime example of an aging, arrogant, stubborn politician who brought on an autocracy by choosing his own interests over the interests of his party, the country, and the people.

[@calvin8677]

@worldcitizenra or..the interviewee is an ideolog&coping..we've seen this movie before, Obama's division &identity politics led to Trump &rejection of Hillary..Joe's handlers have repeated the same, except worse..people want a good economy, a secure border&safe streets Democrats don't offer those

[@dannybagley9424]

Biden didn't remember if he watched the debate from seven days ago. He was in the debate. I wonder if he remembers that.

[@melotone3305]

@@dannybagley9424 That was one of the most astounding answers in the interview.

[@fisherkieds6282]

He already lost to Trump

[@MarkSmith-sk2yx]

We have the 3rd term of obama. A 4th is an unacceptable outcome.

[@rockyjoseph184]

"What if I told you, I forgot what I told you" Joseph Biden.

[@kamranchida13]

Excellent as always. Thank you Karan

[@ashwanimalhotra493]

Excellent interview. I think when someone will look back after 40 years and examine the standard of Indian media, journalists like Karan Thapar would prove to be an outlier. That being said, we want to see Karan coming on Podcasts, interviewing non-conventional people beyond politics like he did during his BBC days. I just feel he’s a gem who needs to shine a lot more ✨

[@paulkoza8652]

This is the most level headed discussion about the upcoming US election that I have ever heard. Thank you gentlemen.

[@HR18990]

Biden just said in Philadelphia that, "When I was a Senator, Philadelphia always got me over the finish line." Philadelphia does not vote for DELAWARE Senators. The DNC will need to force him out, since he will not leave willingly.

[@11nalini]

An excellent eye opener

[@curtisevans4100]

Do even the Biden diehards have confidence in Biden doing another debate?

[@keyquestions]

You know they don't 😂

[@mgm8822]

Great analysis, thank you.

[@dsethi05]

Thank you Mr Thapar. Mr Biden should not run for the second term as American President .

[@villanovakid84]

He shouldn't have run for a first term. A disastrous presidency,,

[@fastphotophotography]

@villanovakid84 A diasterous first term? Provide evidence for your claim.

[@villanovakid84]

@@fastphotophotography 1. Inflation. The first thing Dixiecrat Joe did was to stop drilling for oil on government lands. Gas prices doubled for the average citizen with a year Also, sending out stimulus checks after the pandemic was over, this flooded the money supply.. 2. Chaotic border policy- Biden encouraged so-called asylum seekers to surge to the border. This is unfair to those who attempt to come here legally, plus it puts undue financial pressure on state and local governments. 3. An appalling foreign policy. He baited Putin into invading Ukraine.He and his handlers made no attempt of diplomacy to stop this war. Also, he screwed the Ukrainians by withholding vital weapons once the war started. His ineptitude pushed Russia, China, and North Korea together.If the US had a real statesman like Bismarck or even a Kissinger, they would have devised a policy to prevent Russia and China from forming an alliance. I have other things to list. However, I will wait for your reply, if you attempt one.

[@Nofascists808]

@@dsethi05 spoken like a true sheep. So now you will vote for Trump instead of your own freedom and democracy...fantastic

[@heshimucolar7174]

Honest conversation. 👍🏾

[@anandganapathy2195]

Excellent interview🙌🙌

[@jameswoods6900]

Exciting is when good things happen and this is no such time, we who Support America live in Fear!

[@amaitra]

Very good interview!

[@keshavr9617]

Excellent Interview Karen. way to go!

[@Tulaclone]

Neurosurgeon Sunday Gupta recommends formal cognitive testing. That would bring clarity. Biden refuses. Sanjay heard from many neurologists and brain scientists from around the world.

[@chrishalious8194]

This is so serious that the decision should not be left to Biden or the family it should be put to a vote by the party! not the family never or there egoes

[@lindat6910]

This is not how it works. This is NOT the first time in American politics that this has happened. The democrats did this to themselves. Yes, it is serious! Didn't Obama say that elections have consequences? The fact that the democrats have lied to us all over and over and the media covers for this party is exactly why we are where we are. The media is suppose to protect ALL AMERICANS from a runaway train on Capital Hill. Instead, they have been propping him up. Shame on them all. Trump is going to win in a landslide.

[@DM-sy4hg]

@@chrishalious8194 the party did vote. They voted for him.

[@chrishalious8194]

@@DM-sy4hg They the party should have had the primeres and Biden would have been found out that he wasn't up to it, that was a mistake but I'm sure the family pushed for not to have one and that should not have been on

[@suedavis3525]

It will do a lot more than wreck his legacy.

[@roccocupido5082]

Will JILL Biden be convinced to GIVE UP the presidency ❓

[@sudarshanjahagirdar1978]

ROTFL, hunter obviously wants his father to be president, so that indulge in his excesses!! What a dumb question

[@Castle743]

Sad situation Elderly abuse

[@jubelraye3782]

Edward has no clue how Americans think or vote.

[@imyourfriend8582]

Don't, please don't, protect Jill Biden.

[@sherrie1745]

Please don't blame this situation on Jill Biden. No one really knows what's going on with them.

[@eprasu]

Thanks!

[@jameswoods6900]

The 25th Amendment should be in play. (The 25th Amendment, provides the procedures for replacing the president or vice president in the event of death, removal, resignation, or incapacitation). Get the Test, Pass the Test and you are back in business, Simple, but don't ignore Americans?

[@krishnanukala6369]

If the Dems do not field an alternative candidate ASAP, Trump is you going to have a cakewalk. The world is fast becoming a polarised place with likes of Trump & Modi who are democratically elected autocratic leaders on one hand and self declared autocrats like Putin, Xi, and Kim on the other hand.

[@nobody4u77]

Don't forget Meloni, Marie le pen , orban, etc and many more . I hate demon crates 😂😂

[@Avinashm7]

Modi and trump are very different

[@MarkSmith-sk2yx]

Autocratic? Who is clinging to power while trying to put his opponent in jail?

[@DM-sy4hg]

Trump was already president and a great one. Way better than Joe. You guys tell all these stories about what his presidency would be like, as if he wasn't president before.

[@user-bg7km4ij7f]

So much projection I don’t even where to start.🤦🏽‍♂️🤷🏽‍♂️

[@eileenhetherington3704]

Thank you for an excellent interview. Karan, use your chest voice for broadcast. I am surprised you have not learned that the upper register can be very grating to the ears and nervous system. I went to the transcript so I could see what was said.

[@akaalkripal5724]

Is Edward Luce related to Henry Luce?

[@ABhattacharya]

I really like the music. Anyone knows the source?

[@smiritigoswamiclass-5.398]

We are always with neutral and intellectual media and Karan Thapar.❤😂🎉.

[@suzsnnesanders4742]

The 25th for joe and jill!!!!

[@oldfan1963]

A very charitable view of Jill Biden's motives. ""Legacy?" What has JOE achieved in his 50+ years in U.S. government?

[@aravindsridharan1248]

Exactly. His only legacy so far is that he beat Trump last time. Once he loses, that is also erased.

[@joelsommers]

Biden has been a wildly successful president. Any candidate would slap their own mother to run on Biden's record. It'd be enough just to run on all his record-breaking economic metrics (low unemployment, high wage growth, stock market growth, GDP, etc... even inflation has been trending down since fall 2022, and has consistently been better than the rest of the world). But there is also Biden's series of consequential legislation--CHIPPS act, IFRA (with largest climate change earmarks in history, significant lowering of drug and healthcare costs, middle class tax cuts, infrastructure spending, etc...) and the earlier covid stimulus bill (which failed to raise the national minimum wage but still raised federal employee minimum wage along with any federal contractors as well). Altogether, you have a presidency that is by any standard the most effective advancement of democratic party ideals since LBJ. It's truly tragic that age has done such a number of Joe Biden, because if he were younger, he'd be unbeatable.

[@adiddevil]

a LOT...See his pre president achievements.

[@lindat6910]

@@adiddevil YEP, Identity politics. A Lose for us all.

[@angelliquem810]

MAGA much?? 🙄

[@pramodkrishnamurthy3707]

Wow he sounds so much like William Dalrymple...even looks a bit like him :) America ka vinasha kaal is coming I feel

[@sandrahudson7717]

Well done your guests is very insightful. Funny how it takes an English man to shed light properly on this issue.

[@Dei_Kei]

This is the era of building post-truth narratives - remember someone in India tried to build up a false narrative of "abki baar 400 paar" & "tumse na ho payega" [repeated recently] and giving the advice, "if yore not gonna win, why waste your time trying to win?". The art of fighting without fighting involves convincing your opponent that he is JUST NOT upto it - & hope that your battle is won ! Here its, "its gonna be very bad for you if you try & lose out!". Nobody tells them that - "Its Okay, nobody cares ! I'd be happy to try & lose than not trying at all ! You are forgetting what a great achievement it'll be if I win !" Joe Biden, POTUS should fight and remain POTUS another 4 years ! US of A needs a good person with his heart in the right place rather than one who is very efficient & effective, but all he does is immoral & unethical !

[@Leticia-uv1ne]

The thing is : Biden will lose and he'll be the guy that let Trump back in the White House! So I 100% agree that Biden's legacy, whatever Biden thinks it is, will be tainted by such loss

[@ramswaroop9306]

Make interview with pradeep guptha axis my india

[@campflint76]

Kamala is the one best able to prosecute the case against Trump- this is a moment made for her prosecutorial skills.

[@singed8853]

Better than Biden. But that’s not saying much..,

[@avengemybreath3084]

She is one of the few people less lucid than Biden.

[@mytube8985]

@@campflint76 Her total failure as Border Czar will bury her.

[@mg7685]

The first party to replace its candidate will win.

[@angelliquem810]

I agree, Biden has been a good president, he really has and he’s a decent man, however he’s not the person for this time. I voted for him, respect him but I think he’s been shielded by his inner circle and they don’t have his best interests at heart. He should leave the office with his head high, and enjoy the rest of his life with family knowing he’s served his country well.

[@keyquestions]

He lost in 2020 so his legacy is already built on that fact that WILL hopefully one day be proven when all his minders are long gone and buried.

[@sticklerforchange]

An excellent interview. Of course the Democrats can put forward another candidate, if they can't, they shouldn't be in charge of a country. I think Kamala Harris would be the best choice, since it would expediate the process. She would beat Trump.

[@user-bg7km4ij7f]

Cool story.. Polling & betting odds completely disagree. You’re delusional

[@sticklerforchange]

@@user-bg7km4ij7f Well, we will see, if they choose her, of course they will likely go with what they consider a safer choice, but I think the safe choice will have a difficult time competing against the circus of Trump.

[@marycull3607]

@@sticklerforchange cackles Kaml would never beat Trump. Where are her policies ? She hasn't been able to do anything as biden's V.P. Dumb and dumber.

[@sticklerforchange]

@@marycull3607 The job of the vice president is to fulfill the policies of the president, so we would not know the full compliment of her won policies until Biden steps down. That is the way every place of employment works, if you are hired to work for any company and you spout off how you would run the company if you were in charge, you will not work for that company for long.

[@MartinaPaulinodelarosa]

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[@rajuiyer6753]

What makes Americans vote for a man like Trump. America has become a sick society.

[@rezrunnercl]

Sick on both sides of the aisle. Why would Dems stick with Biden at this point. The whole country is in one cult or the other. No sense of truth or reality at all. A sick country.

[@mytube8985]

Donald Trump is the best thing that's happened to U.S. politics/policies since Ronald Reagan. Educate yourself please.

[@lindat6910]

@@mytube8985 they are not capable to understand this truth! They would rather hear platitudes and accept destruction.

[@chriscosby2459]

Trump is the greatest POTUS in my 64 years of life. Cadaver Joe is the worst POTUS of my life.

[@NickyD-99]

Remember when Trump was President and Democracy ended? Me neither.

[@Nofascists808]

Remember when he learned what to do next time? Do you remember January 6,2021? I do too

[@akirasuzuki8378]

We vote not for now but for the next four years. Biden is not getting any younger. Why would Americans vote for Biden, considering his cognitive ability in three to four years? If Democrats want to stop Trump, they need to get another candidate. Is Jill Biden acting like Lady Macbeth? What do you think?

[@wiswajithroy2399]

I think Joe Biden is going with the wind 😂😂😂😂 thanks

[@MrWalker114]

We are all voting Trump and that includes Democrats.

[@tamimoncrief2264]

Aww shucks, let him run. Want to I see his face when he loses to Trump 😮

[@adiddevil]

doesnt america have a 3rd option?

[@Nofascists808]

Shaky quakey RFK...comes with complementary tin foil hat

[@hassobhatia2885]

I don’t agree that losing to Trump will destroy Biden legacy. Carter is still the beloved ex- president.

[@abhishekgupta7207]

No this is very different. Carter lost to Ronald Reagan, who was not a vengeful, Authoritarian , convicted Felon . Trump is all this and much worse . Him becoming President again would be terrible for American Democracy, Ukraine , Gaza and much of the rest of the world .

[@rezrunnercl]

​@abhishekgupta7207 This particular issue is not about Trump. It's about Bidens fitness. Stop conflating the two. Biden can not beat Trump in this condition. My God... wake up!

[@lindat6910]

@@rezrunnercl Orange man bad. These people are not living in the real world.

[@rezrunnercl]

@hassobhatia2885 Gen oh side Joe is not Carter in a moral sense. Quite the opposite. That's a disgusting comparison. Carter did goodness in and out of office . He's beloved because of true service, not the greed of power. There is no comparison in the eyes of God either.

[@meenamurmu7605]

I would rather vote for a 100 year old sleepy Biden than Trump. It is hard to understand the voters really..

[@Ram_Mohammad_Singh_Adam]

Almost all dictators loving countries are on side with Trump like Russia, China, North Korea and in India most of my right wing friends also support trump. The commonality in of them is disregard to constitution, crushing of opposition, treating outside religious people with negativity and being self centred. But my principles are clear, I support that who respects democratic principles so joe Biden in this case

[@rezrunnercl]

@@meenamurmu7605 That's really a BLUE CULT mentality. Facts and evidence. Do the right thing. A pilot that shouldn't be flying? There is no excuse for that kind of immorality. My God!

[@jacobjorgenson9285]

They need to have another democrat candidate go through the ringers and qualify for the election

[@curtisevans4100]

Biden is losing voters who think Biden is too feeble. He is too feeble, if we are being honest. 75% of the country see this.

[@mytube8985]

​@@Ram_Mohammad_Singh_AdamBaloney

[@roccocupido5082]

WHAT legacy❓

[@wiswajithroy2399]

Democratics should go with kamlaa 😂😂😂😂 its a suggestion 😂😂😂 thanks

[@Chucku153]

SHE WILL NOT STOP GIGGLING!!!!