Lost 5x7 - The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham - Group Reaction

[@nowandagainproductions8307]

I can’t remember exactly where I first saw this little fun fact, but it’s such incredible writing that both Locke and his father died the same way

[@notoriousbmc1]

Both with one kidney and by the hands of a conman.

[@Pir-o]

also I never noticed that Ben made John kill his father because thats what Ben had to do to become the leader

[@LrnecBuma]

Locke was supposed to move the island but Ben did it instead. Locke arrives 3 years late in a different time window and doesn't have the time. Even more sad is seeing the repraise of who told Locke he would have to die. What's even sadder is rewatching the series knowing the truth but the viewer can't change the past. What happened, Happened.

[@seanl324]

You Tube hey that was my comment! Lol

[@ambermeanswell]

I just thought about that a month or so ago. Can't believe it took this long to notice. John didn't deserve it though as where his father did.

[@victorsixtythree]

13:44 - Locke: "We have to go back" And Jack looks at him like he's a crazy person. But soon, on a hill overlooking LAX, Jack will be screaming "WE HAVE TO GO BAAACKKK!!!"

[@tierneybeckett]

I like Ben because he is a fascinating character and Michael Emerson is amazing in the role. This is, by far, the worst thing he does.

[@kennethbryant5819]

He is also immensely petty and just as much of a pawn as Locke, possibly even more so.

[@NiightDJ]

@@kennethbryant5819 no he’s the master of manipulation

[@Immallama22]

Locke's death is the one thing I'd probably change about the show if I could. It's too fucking tragic, he deserved better.

[@wobaguk]

Its really over complicating it to imagine that the island is jumping back and forward in time, and somehow needs to come to a rest. The island isnt moving in time , the people are. The island always HAD a past, and present. They are just visiting parts of it.

[@CucumberCheese]

The complication is only regarding which part of the island's timeline Ajira/Jack&Co have landed in. Did you not think the same thing when watching?

[@g13n79]

So why did locke have to put the wheel back on its axel to stop the flashes? The energy in the well/orchid station only effects a few chosen people on the island?

[@russellward4624]

In think the easiest way to explain it it the island is the record album & The 6 are the arm of the player.

[@tm4066]

Matthew Fox's acting in the segment with Locke in the hospital is ace. One of the best raw acting performances you'll ever see.

[@chanceneck8072]

Matthew Fox is a god! He made me pick my #1 all time favourite tv show character with a certain performance in season 6 episode 7 for me...

[@Jeremy-jm3fe]

It's the only showcase of great acting from him. Otherwise, he's just a normal actor.

[@NexX35]

Jeremy your wrong hes shown throughout the series that hes an amazing actor

[@Jeremy-jm3fe]

@@NexX35 Amazing is a strong word. Reserved for shows like Breaking Bad and The Sopranos. Or the occasional actor like Iain from Agents of Shield.

[@BooneLuleyo]

@@Jeremy-jm3fe For you Ian is a better actor than Matthew Fox?

[@cupcake5114]

Damn this scene with Lock and Ben in the motel ... every scene between Michael Emerson and Terry O'Quinn is amazing but this one is truly on another level.

[@DeviousxKat]

John Locke was always my favorite character, always. And when it comes to TV characters, he still ranks as my favorite of all time. He taught me a lot. I was so upset and angry when Ben killed him. Terry O'Quinn is a master at his craft. ESPECIALLY in Season Six.

[@yannhollister9091]

This episode was awesome, poor locke he lived a really hard life and went out in a harsh brutal way also ...

[@MatiZ815]

The way John says "We have to go back" and the timing of it always cracks me up xD. He looks like a complete lunatic.

[@CirculusEtPruna]

02:45 “What the heck was he wearing, though?” ...Black. He’s a man wearing black.

[@AlessaParker]

Eeyyy

[@HeatKingMedia]

So what you're saying is...hes a Man In Black? ALIENS CONFIRMED!

[@Dragon-Believer]

I think that was a Star Wars homage. It's like Obi Wan the first time he appears in Star Wars.

[@DanY-gx2dv]

I remember commenting on Jimmy Macram's (I think) reaction about Locke dying the same way as his dad, and found out I wasn't the only slow one - took me 9 years LOL.

[@chettterbob]

OMG I feel like an idiot for never realizing that! Thanks for bringing that to my attention! Ugh WOW

[@michaelshafer5192]

you mean that Sawyer killed them both ?

[@chanceneck8072]

@@michaelshafer5192 DEATH BY STRANGLING!!!!

[@AdamPOpens]

They were both choked to death.

[@thebusmanz]

@@michaelshafer5192 Not the sharpest tool in the brig, are ya

[@verinonrenthar9176]

Fun fact: the writers and producers couldn't decide for a while on which episode to air first, this one, or "316". So if you're doing a rewatch, you can change around the order as you see fit. It works both ways :)

[@marty13612]

Even Lafleur can kinda be in any of these spots I think

[@verinonrenthar9176]

@@marty13612 good point!

[@AlessaParker]

Up until last week I swear I thought it was the other way around

[@chanceneck8072]

I thought the choice was between 5x07 and 5x08, LaFleur.... Anyhow, I'm glad, they made the right choice...

[@Dharmaville]

that is true, but they edited the episodes after they made that decision, so watching this first completely spoils the fact they got back to the island among other little things. It's much better to open the return to the island with Jack's eye opening again in 316

[@troubleondemand7703]

Terry O'Quinn's acting in this episode is awesome.

[@goldenageofdinosaurs7192]

Anytime Jack & Locke are in a scene together, I’m completely entranced by them.

[@acdragonrider]

For me it’s when Locke is at his lowest. The scene in the car just after he lost his kidney and Desmond turns on the light, the moment he has to get in a wheelchair for the first time, and last of all here when he is completely devastated scene when h

[@Myles720]

Jack: "I wish you would have believe me" - Locke This rings even more true this episode....

[@Dragon-Believer]

The greatest LOST episode.

[@HeatKingMedia]

When you realize THIS Episode was it. (Looks at the LOST fans) You know what I'm talking about. It still makes me cry and feel so sad. Only disappointing thing about this episode was Abaddon. In the end he was wasted. The actor is bloody jokes and threatening and they wasted him in this.

[@matekiss6981]

He got regular in Fringe, but yes it's shame that he didn't got more screen time.

[@Son-of-Baghdad]

I only know him as Cedric Daniels from The Wire

[@Windupchronic]

@@matekiss6981 Yeah, Fringe did more with the actor. I really liked him on that show.

[@sansastark5810]

you mean the LAST eps of "him"? :'( bc yeah breaks my heart

[@LadyVenomWay]

The motel scene always gets me, such a good episode!

[@LrnecBuma]

Both John and Ben have been manipulated all their life to be a part of a loophole as we will continue to see. R.I.P John Locke. Whatever Happened, Happened. You can't change the past even if as the viewer you know the truth. You have to watch time play put what is supposed to happen.

[@aracelikiwrna5778]

Looking at Terry O'Quinn not only puts a smile on my face but at the same time looking at him brings me so much sadness that my eyes will just well up instantly. His character, John Locke, to me, is the most tragic of them all. I love Locke. As for Ben Linus, this fool also thinks he has a purpose but when I see him I can't be mad at him because he isn't a sloppy character. He isn't an idiot one bit. This guy knows what he's doing. He's clever as hell and always a few steps ahead. I've never seen another character on tv that is so certain of his actions that he does it with such justification. This is what I call a perfect character. Yes, his character is a horrible person but you gotta admit, his character is an amazing antagonist. Oh man, I can't wait for the end to all of this and see Nikki and Rana's reaction to both Ben and Locke's character arcs. I really want to hear Nikki's overall take on Ben after they're done reacting. - Yvette

[@vlonewolfv]

This is my favorite episode of LOST. It is so thematically and metatextually perfect and I can't even explain why yet :D

[@bongokhrusha]

My absolute favorite episode. I call it the eternal suffering of John Locke. Also love the new thumbnail!

[@chanceneck8072]

My favourite is probably the next one....

[@rxtsec1]

Mine too, sawyer is my favorite character & he hadn't had a centric episode since season 3 & that episode was early so it was 2 years in the waiting for me but didn't disappoint

[@Gibbo168]

Next week my favourite Lost episode of all time LaFleur!

[@tal6605]

For some reason I feel like listening to the song "Candida" - tony orlando :)

[@orbert83]

I used to think The Constant was the best. But after the last couple of rewatches I’ve come to the conclusion that LaFleur really is amazing, and definitely my favorite.

[@shapeshifter7676]

Lafleur is the reason I hate this episode. I was expecting Lafleur to be 6th then 7th and they kept delaying it. So annoying

[@chanceneck8072]

The intro pushed it over the edge for me, too. Like the seamless tie-in after 5x04 or what it was, when Sawyer tried to pull out Locke again....

[@rxtsec1]

One of my faves also

[@laurenrogers]

Nikki: "hOw dO yOu LiKe bEn" Me: just...wait...a little...while...longer Dead is Dead is coming up. Then maybe they'll get it.

[@danielgray2661]

28:45 "As far as universe rules goes, there is no alternative timeline." Dude

[@Nicke0528]

He's right though.

[@AdamPOpens]

But you're not supposed to know that yet...

[@evildeathcuddles886]

The flash sideways was not an alternate timeline. They could not have been more clear about that lmfao

[@Jeremy-jm3fe]

@@Nicke0528 He's not right

[@Nicke0528]

@@Jeremy-jm3fe Yes he is

[@Robert-vi9fx]

KATE: "And look how far you've come." LOCKE: "Says no one's favorite Lost character."

[@CheddahSlammer]

To be fair to Kate, Locke seems like that crazy old guy that lives in the past. Also all the other characters treated him the same way.

[@kennethcrist443]

@@CheddahSlammer Yes, but why? If I heard that friends of mine were in trouble I would do anything to go help them. Even go back to The Island. It is not like any of them except Sayid and Walt have really built a good life since they got back. Sun is fueled by revenge against her father and Ben. Jack is going through the motions of his previous crappy life. Kate is hiding in her house hoping no one discovers that Aaron is not her child. Hurley thinks that shutting himself up in a mental hospital is a good life choice.

[@mcjiishy]

"People LIKE HIM" - nikki lmao....yes I kinda do route for the bad guys in some cases..especially if the actor portraying him or her is good then I tend to like them more.

[@DorianManewitz]

You could see Suraj tearing up as he realized what was about to happen.

[@travisspazz1624]

Yes Nikki, Ben is one of my all-time favorite fictional characters!! And Kate is one of the most over hated characters. In some ways she's the most realistic and an empathy machine!

[@jabulanityrone6144]

Ben is one of my favorite characters just cause he’s a three dimensional thinker he has a plan for everything

[@Maalstrom]

Did he have a plan for sayid in the hatch? He seemed pretty desperate then.

[@aniket8350]

@@Maalstrom yes he did and he sure played his cards right

[@Gustava10]

He’s a sociopath

[@ambermeanswell]

He is interesting but I hate how awful he was to John just because he was jealous of him. It's bullshit.

[@t_trouty]

Damn I really need to re watch this show! I forgot how intense it gets toward the end lol. Great reaction guys love yall!

[@dy5534]

9:30 "idc this is cute" yeah rana nobody is on the other side of that argument.

[@monadreher2428]

This made me HATE Ben with a passion. Well...not hate. Ben is too good a character, but strongly dislike to the point where I was like "yeah it's time for him to die" 😂😂 Poor Locke had by far the worst luck and life out of everyone on LOST.

[@Pir-o]

It hurts my brain how much they are confused by timelines... Like they seen the ajira airplane survivals, they seen Lock and it still took them a minute or two to realize its not a flashback? Cmon... not even start me about the timetravel confusion.

[@thebuzzkill967]

Piro Man it’s not really that surprising. I’ve never seen much intelligence from any of the normies. Their comprehension of most things, let alone their often inane, occasional real world topical or political statements, has only cemented my opinion.

[@CucumberCheese]

@@thebuzzkill967 😅 I think you'll find it's because they watched this episode a couple of weeks after the previous one. And because LOST is confusing at best, let alone Season 5 - with several stories being told at once, from different timelines. There's no lack of intelligence shown here...

[@firstname4337]

Nikki is pretty stupid you just have to accept that

[@thebusmanz]

They dont know what the Ajira survivors look like, and a flashback makes more sense than Locke magically resurrecting.

[@CucumberCheese]

@@thebusmanz Exactly...

[@Jaqueli9er]

Funny how Locke was warned that he HAD to die, we all knew he was going to die, but still, people can't really "accept" his death LOL That's how much love everyone has for Locke.

[@derikk3215]

So I guess Nikki is just unaware of the concept of people enjoying a good antagonist. Has she never watched a movie or tv show before?

[@AirPlaine70]

let her be.

[@zachnikolaus7669]

Derik Knutson She gets on my nerves.

[@ducksauce9187]

Yea some people dont get that concept, Its not like we like them in the way that we would want to be friends with them in real life but more so us enjoying their performance and their side of the story..

[@justinbrolley]

@@ducksauce9187 I literally had a friend screaming in my face once because he couldn't grasp this concept. We were arguing over Negan in The Walking Dead and he couldn't wrap his head around the fact that I think that he's a good character. Lol... He kept saying that if Negan is good then I'm evil. Drinks were involved, but I don't think they were the root of his confusion.

[@thebuzzkill967]

Stupid people gonna be stupid...

[@johnzapetis574]

I remember seeing this episode when it first aired. Locke was my favorite character. Even when he was running around the island in season 3 being all sketchy blowing up stuff. He had a troubled past and thought he found his purpose on the island. This episode was perfect recap of how fragile he was back home and useless. I almost stopped watching because I was that disgusted that he was written off. Even though he was walking around in the end. I said phooey! LoL Glad I didn’t stop. Though he was no longer my number one.

[@russellward4624]

Lock isnt a leader. Thats why he's not good at convincing people. He lacks confidence. He never had any and just when he got a little its ripped away from him by his father, the island.... I think its true to his character that he wouldnt be good at convincing them. It also sets up his resurrection" and the change in his character which are really important to the story.

[@marcushankins8171]

You dont have to like Ben as a person. But everyone likes him because he is the ultimate manipulator. His playing of "the game" so to speak is on another level. The only one on the show up until this point to truly throw him for a loop has been John Locke. And it is because John was kept alive for so long and because the island chose him over Ben that Ben chooses to kill him. He got the info he needed and knew the island couldnt protect him there so he took care of the 1 true thorn in his side.

[@gryotharian]

Marcus Hankins he’s a piece of shit person but he’s my favorite character of all time

[@kennethbryant5819]

Not accurate. He is only superficially a manipulator. You soon find out after this episode that this is far from the case.

[@notoriousbmc1]

I remember people complaining that Jack was starting to grow a beard in this episode (Meaning that seeing John again *wasn't* the reason for his downward spiral). But I don't think we know how long John was unconscious for. Jack was potentially coming into the ward day after day seeing John just laying there, wrecking his head.

[@rxtsec1]

Episode 4 1 before he ran into locke he told Hurley he was thinking about growing a beard

[@Windupchronic]

My interpretation was always that Jack was already having doubts, and was also wracked by guilt over leaving people behind, particularly once he found out Claire was his sister. That had to mess him up, knowing he'd left his own family behind, and had no idea what happened to her. It's not fleshed out on the show, but, just on a human level, and especially for such a control freak as Jack, that he had saved himself but left others behind, people that he cared about, is something that would eat away at him. The strength of his reaction is overcompensation for the gnawing in his breast that Locke is right; and if Locke is right, that would mean Jack made a mistake that he's done nothing to correct, and he's projecting his anger at himself outward towards Locke. Again, this is just my head canon, my analysis. It's not something the show directly addresses. But I think it's a human reaction.

[@kdizzle901]

It’s called an antagonist and he is a great character

[@Luuuna]

Omg Lafluer next!!! 😍😍😍

[@rxtsec1]

One of my faves

[@elisabethlarsen4282]

I love Ben's character, he's one of the best played villains I have ever seen in anything, it's the "Littlefinger Syndrom" from GoT, same with Ramsay Bolton, those antagonists you love to hate sort of thing.

[@nenushka]

You're right. Since JR Ewing I always root for the bad guys.

[@Jeremy-jm3fe]

Ben Linus vs Walter White would be a battle for the ages

[@Blobby3822]

We like Ben's character because it's an excellent character, how hard is it to understand? The story would be immensely less interesting if he wasn't in the show. Would we like him in real life? Probably not, but that's not the point. Would you like Darth Vader irl? No. Is he an excellent character? yes. There is a difference. Don't let your feelings tell you if a character is good or not... that's dumb. Oh, and he's one of the good guys, he said it multiple times. lol

[@davidnobre5660]

that boat that was on the beach and had the bottle from ajira airlines was the boat that Frank took which means that Sawyer, Juliet, Daniel and the others flashed into the time when Locke was there again and didn't even know it

[@notbubu]

Locke's story is so tragic. He spent his entire life being led to believe he was special, just because in the 1950s he told Richard Alpert that he was sent by Jacob and was their leader, two years before he was born.

[@kennethbryant5819]

Technically, he was special. But so was Jack, Sawyer, Kate, Jin, Sayid ... etc though he was the closest to finding out why before he died.

[@stoneweaver3401]

The man in black or the black smoke has an ability to shift his apperance to any deceased person, jack's father (christian) is the guy in black which turns out later to take john locke form, plotting to kill jacob. he shifted to john body to trick benjamin to kill jacob.

[@Xervello]

Considering they finished the series now I can post this, spoiler or not, but though we may see "John" throughout the rest of the series, this was, in fact, the last time we see the actual John Locke alive. I never thought about that because of the flash sideways but this was his end. It's really depressing.

[@FilmVersionSoundtracks]

LOST season 5 answers guide: 1. The exit point off the island was in that desert. 2. Charles tried to remove or banish Ben in order to have John lead, because he was mad at Ben about banishing him in the first place. 3. Revelation that Ben lied again to Jack in the plane about seeing Locke. 4. The role of the others is revealed in this episode and that is that they were protecting the island and helping or listening to Jacob. 5. The people were moving through time not the island. The island moved when Ben turned the wheel to another location like Eloise said. So Ceasar and the group were in present day 2007 three years after Ben moved the island.

[@therealmfbtl]

i think it is odd that they discuss who is "good" between ben and charles. why does one have to be good? they both clearly have their own agenda. Just cause one saves john and the other protects the oceanic six doesn't make them the good guys. nice vid. Ben Linus ftw.

[@SheldonAdama17]

Man, Locke’s death got me all choked up.

[@EthanRom]

I feel bad for Locke, he was a good guy who had a lot of bad things happened to him and every person he met just played him

[@just2coolkk]

Im waiting for the next episode LaFleur for so long and now its the next !!!

[@bigpictureguys8415]

18:20 you can tell by Suraj’s face that that was Locke’s actual death & not just a set up for a fun “he’s back island twist”

[@rxtsec1]

This episode is why I've always had mixed feelings about Ben & how his story ended

[@mjkjelland13]

Hard to like Ben when this happens, but he is still one of my favorite characters, and John.

[@wobaguk]

I could never really decide why Ben killed Locke. A) Because he didnt want him helping Charles Widmore's side or B) because hes afraid that if they both went back alive, the island might want Locke and not Ben to be in charge?

[@mikecheeriot2650]

Spoilers It was simple, he even explained it to Locke at the end outside the church. Ben: I'm sorry what I did to you John. I was selfish, jealous, I wanted everything you had. John: What did I have? Ben: You was special John, and I wasn't. John: Well if it helps Ben, I forgive you. Ben: Thank you John it does help. It matters more than I can say.

[@SupaScary]

My theory is that Ben truly didn’t want to kill Locke and that’s why he saved him; but when Locke said there was no way he was going to let Sun go back to the island (the rule is everyone must go back) you can see Ben’s facial expression change as he realizes with Locke alive he wouldn’t be able to get everybody to go back

[@rxtsec1]

Even though his episode later on this season the mib pretended to be his daughter & told not to kill locke & even said I know your plotting on how to kill him again. He always wanted to kill him

[@51TGM71]

I am rewatching Lost with my girlfriend who never seen Lost before and holy hell I did not take Lockes death well. For first time viewer Locke is alive so while his death is tragic its not permanent. But if you know that Locke later on the island is not real Locke and Lockes death truly is his last moments it is so damn tragic. I never cried before like I did for Lockes death.

[@khazms]

After rewatching this, it's more sad because you know Locke really dies like that. We never see the real Locke again, this was it for him and that truly is sad. I really wish the show would have showed his death in a more emotional way because he deserved for fans to mourn the character. And it's really unfortunate this was the end of the real John Locke.

[@DarthCrimsonDeath]

18:12 "What a fucking piece of shit. Why couldn't he just let him do it himself then? Fucking... oh my god. People like his character? People LIKE him? People get mad at me for like......Mmmmm." Hahahahahahahaha. Even people that liked Benjamin hated his guts for this. Locke, like Boone, was the sacrifice the Island demanded. Boone died causing Locke to bang on that hatch door and stop Desmond from suicide. Here in this dirty motel Locke was supposed to commit suicide, for what greater purpose?

[@chanceneck8072]

18:00 Congrats for your prediction, Nikki! Now... Do you wanna know, what he was thinking, while Ben choked the life out of him? What the last thought that ran through his head was? .... _I DON'T UNDERSTAND!..._ .... Isn't that just the saddest thing, you've heard?...

[@davionelliot]

15:48 this scene broke my god damn heart 😢

[@highwind1991]

God this episode is so sad. One of the shows best but this episodes ending just breaks my heart

[@jeromedutil-martin6823]

Written by: Carlton Cuse & Damon Lindelof Directed by: Jack Bender

[@laccountant1114]

Master yoda

[@firstname4337]

who gives a shit

[@christopherchapman2493]

When your favorite character gets killed by your second favorite character

[@russellward4624]

Ive never been clear on when Ben decides to kill Lock. If it was always his intention he wouldn't have stopped him hanging himself I would think. Unless theres something particular about suicide. Was it when he learned about Jin or Eloise?

[@notoriousbmc1]

*Charles Whitmore pour a glass of McCutcheon water for John*

[@MadsoKuest]

There is another parallel to the accident that leads to the island, what led Jack to take the Oceanic was that he felt guilty about his father's condition, then his father died and took his body with him on the plane, and what led Jack to take the second flight was that he felt guilty for John's death, and took his body on the plane.

[@davidnobre5660]

this was the episode that made me like Locke.

[@EverettEBaker]

Ben is an amazing character.

[@chanceneck8072]

Girls, girls!... _Every question, I answer will simply lead to another question! You should rest! ... Just be grateful, you're alive!..._

[@howso239]

Anyone know how the Normies screen recording or get the show on the screen to sync with their reaction?

[@MrROKinROK]

*sigh* Here's my requisite anti-Suraj screed. And he was particularly egregious this episode: Again, I enjoy the real and raw reactions of the ladies when they're on their own and paying closer attention because of it. I like when they try working things out and talking things through. So I take issue with Suraj's presence, not because of his presence itself, but because of the nature of his mansplanation. While he's become better about avoiding major spoilers, he tends to chime in with tidbits that he assumed the ladies didn't catch and he always tries connecting dots FOR THEM, often doing so before they are able to voice it or demonstrate that they've connected the dots on their own. If he could be more like Nahid on Breaking Bad, of course I'd have no objection. But at this point, it's almost like he's constitutionally incapable of restraining himself. He has to blurt out details of the stuff he knows and he sometimes says too much. 3:23 Here, Suraj explains that the "other island" is off in the distance. Not a spoiler, I know. But why not let THEM react to it (or not react to it). Why not let them recall the "two islands" on their own and wonder which one these survivors are on? What was the purpose of this particular mansplanation? Why blurt anything out here and intervene in their viewing experience? 6:44 Here Suraj decides to mansplain the very scene that unfolded before them. He points out the Widmore gave John the Jeremy Bentham name (in case the ladies didn't see what just happened right in front of them). Again, why chime in here at all? What's with that instinct to blurt a play-by-play? 7:14 Now here's a little telling exchange that I know people will think I'm blowing out of proportion (and fair play to them). But When speculating on John possibly taking some drug to fake his death, Nikki jokes "like Nikki and Paulo?" which Rana IMMEDIATELY gets and laughs along to but to which Suraj replies, "oh, the paralysis spider?" Obviously, this is innocuous on its face. But what kind of person responds like that? Rana didn't. She recognized the joke and responding accordingly by laughing along. She didn't have an inclination to differentiate between drugs intentionally designed to fake one's death vs. naturally-occurring phenomenon that achieved the same effect. She didn't feel a need to add detail. It's this instinct to add detail of the nuances of HIS show that makes him seem incapable of watching alongside them without intervening. If I didn't know better, I'd swear he started off trying to correct Nikki's recollection that they took such a drug before realizing she knew exactly what was what and made a fun joke of it. But just in case, she had to be reminded that there were venomous spiders involved. 7:56 Here, Suraj connects more dots for them. This is before either girl questioned the timeline about Sayid's assassin "career". And I contend that despite Nikki asking for clarification after his intervention, she and Rana would've come to that conclusion ON THEIR OWN if allowed to be left to their own devices. I mean, why not leave them to their own devices to notice the things they notice? Why add all these details? I personally didn't need someone to break these things down for me during my real-time watch. And Rana certainly didn't seem to be struggling with it here. But regardless, Suraj had to mansplain the details. 9:29 Here, in response to Rana's natural reaction of finding the prospective reunion between Locke and Walt heartwarming, Suraj mansplains the deep connection that they shared in season 1. He had to make sure Rana was moved by that moment for the right reasons. She had to be reminded of that bond so her "feels" were based on proper memory of the show. Now, to anyone thinking this wasn't a mansplanation, do they really think Suraj would've made the same comment if re-watching with someone else who had also seen the series? 10:06 Rana is enjoying the moment wanting the touching scene to last longer. Suraj to the rescue. He mansplains the "practical" reason why Locke was willing to part ways and didn't ask Walt to go back to the island. Certainly, neither Rana or Nikki could've concluded that Locke consciously made the decision not to ask Walt back to the island. BUT HERE'S THE WORST PART OF IT: Suraj jumped in with his mansplanation before the writers had a chance to broach the potential gravity of the situation. Seconds after Suraj mansplains why Locke didn't broach the topic with Walt, we have the scene between Locke and Abaddon where Abaddon questions this very decision. In fact, it's not far fetched to assume that Suraj himself may not have come to the realization that Locke was supposed to ask Walt until AFTER he saw the subsequent exchange between Locke and Abaddon. So why rob the ladies of that moment where they could process "Oh, that's right! Walt was supposed to go back too? Aww, Locke put Walt's well being ahead of that mandate". Why not let them have that? And, more importantly, why not let the writers present the dot (or present that dot anew) before connecting it for the ladies? 13:22 Here, Suraj interjects, "what are the odds?" This is before the ladies had a chance to process anything. BUT HERE'S THE WORST PART OF IT: This is before the show itself had made clear that it was a "random" crossing of paths. This is before Locke mouthed the writers' words (13:58), "Of all the hospitals they could've brought me to, I end up here. You don't think that's fate?" HERE'S where the writers wanted the viewers to ask themselves, "Oh my god, what are the odds?" They didn't expect any viewer (at least any first-time viewer) to wonder this as soon as Locke opened his eyes and saw Jack. And in the bigger picture, this "innocuous" contribution of his was actually informed by a certain "through-line" the Lost writers had woven throughout the rest of the series. Of course, a veteran viewer would be more sensitive to it. His instinct to direct them to that dot (the odds of the random occurrence) trumped his memory of the scene. He was steering them to notice the "randomness" of that event before they, as real-time viewers, were supposed to notice the randomness of that event. 17:35 Here, Suraj is connecting the dots of Ben learning about Jin and later manipulating Sun with it. Did the ladies connect it on their own? Would they have connected it on their own. Suraj to the rescue. He renders that moot. I low-key wonder if Suraj said such things like, "Oh, Olenna's is playing with the necklace Ser Dontos asked her to wear. I wonder why." And I honestly wouldn't put it past him. 19:08 Now back to the present! Thanks, Suraj. This guidance makes your presence worth it. Oh, I know it's inconsequential because the ladies would recognize this immediately. But it's better that you follow your instinct of providing details, any detail. And again, would he add this comment during a re-watch with a fellow Lost veteran? 20:00 After the episode, Suraj takes a different tact from other Sherpa guides on other Lost reaction channels. Instead of asking questions and eliciting thoughts from the newbie reactors, Suraj decides to summarize what they saw for them. 24:51 So here, Nikki and Rana, the 'Reactors" who are watching the show for the first time seem to be working out the "who can come back to life on the island" question ON THEIR OWN. They seem to be arriving at their own conclusion. But Suraj to the rescue again. He doesn't wait to see if one of them correctly makes points steering the other to the "right answer". He has to be the one who mansplains them through it, even talking OVER them to do so... Talking over the first time viewers... the REACTORS. I mean, why not let them try to process that on their own without intervening in their reaction experience??? 25:33 Here, Suraj interrupts Nikki's question to make sure she understands that other folks "disappeared". WHY??? Why intervene here? Why not let them try to work it out??? 28:41 Now, here's a counter-intuitive complaint of an instance where Suraj should've spoken up. While ALL the time-travel answers are not yet available, I don't think the writers intended viewers to be as confused as Nikki is at this point. One thing Suraj could have (or should have done), is to correct her misunderstanding. She thought Jin was jumping along at a different time line than Sawyer and co. and that he eventually caught up when the "different" time lines synced. Suraj should've explained to her that they were all in the same timelines but on different parts of the island. Why? Because the storyline will not revisit this point AND her misunderstanding is adding to her confusion and inability to understand how the time travel aspects of the Lost universe works. I know it sounds like I'm fixating. I'm not. Yes, I'm obviously taking time to delineate details of certain moments. But I'm not looking out for them. These mansplanations have become like nails on a chalkboard, like hearing someone butcher grammar. Or perhaps a better explanation is this. Sometimes, when listening to any newscaster talk, you happen to catch the rhythm of their inhalations. This is something that occurs for every broadcaster in every broadcast. When not attuned, you hear the smooth reading of the news. But when you happen upon the rhythm, each "subtle" gasp of air becomes grating.

[@Satan-lb8pu]

Pretty pathetic how much you're obsessed over a dude enjoying a TV show with his friends. If he bothers you that much, nothing stops you from not watching these videos. Also, get that feminazi shit "mansplaining" and such outta here. You're embarrassing yourself.

[@homersimpson118]

You’re blowing it out of proportion. And it’s spelled “explanation”/“explained”.

[@MS-zp8kg]

Ajira flight 316 departed in January 2008, not 2007. Flight 815 crashed September 22nd 2004, they left 108 days later on January 7th 2005.

[@aura7117]

25:13 didn't that one guy who blew up the underwater station that killed Charlie with the grenade come back to life?

[@x-man9473]

No. He was knocked out. The pylons weren't set to the lethal level

[@aura7117]

@@x-man9473 oh ok thank you!

[@FallenHellscape]

"Cocksnipper?" Well, I guess I shouldn't be listening to your reactions during my lunch break at work.

[@Chris-gu5lt]

Locke and Ben are two of my favourite tv characters of all time. Safe to say this episode fucked me up

[@JustTechGuyThings]

Obligatory: Normies now have the first season of Person of Interest... the game is on...

[@nommyyt]

WriteCodeEveryday They do? Oh hell yes. POI was a great show!

[@sinavaziri4886]

Everything Ben ever done was for the island, if you don't realize that Suraj you better rewatch lost for 11th time or whatever cause you clearly missing a lot.

[@kennethbryant5819]

He THOUGHT it was for the island.

[@blueclark7491]

Badass Locke appeared

[@alvarosantamaria8693]

I see a little tears on your eyes Suraj when Lock is about to commit suicide... SPOILER DONT LOOK DOWN IF YOU DON SEE THE REST. And that is because this is the last moments of real John Locke :'( so sad.

[@verinonrenthar9176]

Not the last...

[@alvarosantamaria8693]

@@verinonrenthar9176 well.. not the last last, but almost his last moment alive..

[@verinonrenthar9176]

@@alvarosantamaria8693 Well you said last moments of "real" John Locke. Spoiler below: FSW Locke is technically "real" Locke too.

[@TheAngous]

Note the fact that Widmore was on the good side. He knew that the only way to prevent the Monster to succeed in his plan is to bring back everyone WITH LOCKE ALIVE.

[@apvanlaan]

Here we gooooooo

[@victorsixtythree]

I was just wondering if Nikki has seen many time travel movies. I feel like if you've seen a few, you start to get the hang of how things work. I bet she might like "Somewhere in Time". (hehe - now I'm looking forward to see her reaction to a certain conversation between Hurley and Miles...)

[@firstname4337]

Nikki is just kind of stupid you just have to accept that

[@Eaglesinthe732]

Niki and that hair are just GORGEOUS!!!!!!!! 😍😍

[@andresquintino4990]

I just noticed Cesar is frenchie in the boys

[@navanubis]

Agent Broyles is the real G

[@KevinAppiah-p1j]

Why does the screen keeps dissappearing?

[@meursaulty6672]

Normies, I have a question for the Lost fans but it involves heavy spoilers so don't read further! This is the point where Locke gets "replaced" right? It's been a while for me.

[@chanceneck8072]

Exactly!

[@lukasmilcik5825]

No nicknames in this episode from Sawyer

[@pewburrito]

Yaster Moda

[@laccountant1114]

Obi-wan kenobi

[@lukasmilcik5825]

@@laccountant1114 👍

[@red531053]

There is a theory about Matthew Abaddon and Walt

[@quantumleaper941]

the way kate talks to john this episode..makes me so angry... :C

[@fathergabrielstokes4706]

Alan Dale played Vice President Jim Prescott on 24 before this.

[@ilikeRUNE]

id like to see whats behind that darma hatch

[@bigpictureguys8415]

I remember not loving the Ben killing Locke thing but in retrospect it’s alright. Just tragic as hell considering

[@apvanlaan]

4:19 We see you

[@Rob-nl5ge]

This episode is awesome

[@Gustava10]

This scene with Ben made me dislike him permanently. He’s a manipulative sociopath who only cares about himself. Those crocodile tears suits him while eating people’s lives.

[@x-man9473]

That sounds silly of you knowing the actual context of why he killed him.

[@jonmercano1138]

It’s Barry. That’s all I’ll say.

[@nenushka]

Lol

[@Bobby-mg4ov]

Just waiting for The Incident reaction 🐸🥃

[@Hatziman]

Tuesday, December 3, 2019.