Lost Ark: My Blue Gunlancer Struggle

[@cristiancastiglia3725]

what made gunlancer jump that hight? what skil or tripod?

[@Haiguh]

"Leap" Tripod on Leap Attack skill

[@Cidao]

GL is a weird class but the good thing is that we have a few build variants. I went for Hallu set with Adren 3 / KBW 3 / Grudge 3 / Cursed 3 / Barrc 3 / CR 1 and since then I'm pretty much MVPing in all raids that I go. I even decided to remove Nellas and have DUF and Shield Shock. I still have a skill preset where I have Nellas in there, but I only use it on very specific scenarios like Brel G4 since my team can't stay alive during the purple patterns. I think there's no wrong build here, I would just play with what I'm most comfortable with. btw ur content is amazing bro, keep it up

[@Saltvik0]

thoughts on surge cannon over shield bash the base dmg is so high?

[@shanetaylor5577]

I've been playing Blue GL since Vykas came out and now he's an alt parked at 1540. I still really enjoy the class and consider it kind of a second main. I started crit/spec but it felt slow so I switched to spec/swift Nightmare and I love it. I have LOS18, full level 7 gems and built a 4x3+2+1 prior to ancients release with Grudge/CD/Barr/SS +Adr 2 +CR 1. It feels really good but the lack of crit is very noticeable. I'd like to go 5x3+1 with ancients and max out Adrenaline as well. I haven't damage tested in quite a while, but I'll run a test when I'm home later. I'd guess the 4-5mil dps range in 2min Trixion. Damage really only pops off if I atropine (then pot like you said, definitely annoying) while I'm in boundless and I have good crit synergy. Otherwise damage seems lackluster but I definitely feel what you touched on at the end; it's more about playing for your team by keeping good uptime on synergy & protecting when you can. I feel that the hybrid dps-support role is so unique and that's why I continue to play it. Sure, I have high level dps characters that are selfish and focused on pumping only, but I enjoy the multi-faceted roll that Blue GL offers and I'll continue to play it. I watch and enjoy a lot of your content and it makes me still feel very connected to the class and makes it fun to play and theorycraft. Whatever it is you're looking for, I hope you find it. Keep it up man!

[@hubertgiang4591]

With Nightmare, Blue Gunlancer has the highest sustained stagger in the game and im advancing annhilator 90% of the time (I also use swiftness secondary). When you're secondary swiftness and boundless you can maintain 100% synergy uptime and have nellesia's on a super low cooldown too. I also take DUF cuz countering is op for MVP screen and it's always up cuz your blue. These factors combined mean I'm always in the family photo pretty much even if my damage is fighter.

[@kabutakahnds]

I mean that's great, but family photo isn't a good representation. It's great to contribute stag and counters, but imo red can do all that while getting cruel as well

[@Jaigarber]

Watch the DPS test by Mustang Kim. He's using Precision Dagger and doing 12.9m.

[@KarlRamstedt]

Precise Dagger is mathematically inferior, especially with Crit secondary stat. Adrenaline should deal more damage, especially in Trixion. That being said, if you don't like running Shield Shock to upkeep adrenaline stacks, then PD is a decent alternative. And it's even good if you go Swift secondary stat.

[@Jaigarber]

@@KarlRamstedt There's no doubt that it is mathematically inferior, but that Korean guy is doing a decent damage with it. I personally don't use Shield Shock, I mostly use DuF or Counter Gunlance in some cases, though even with Shield Shock I usually find difficult to keep the Adrenaline stacks on most non-stationary bosses, in particular Brelshaza or Kakul.

[@krasitto8757]

you do realize kim is like 1620ilvl with akkan gear and tier 3 set right ? the dagger is a meme engraving for gunlancer

[@Jaigarber]

@@krasitto8757 in a commentary in his video he says he's 1615-ish. In any way, you can also check Jiudau's test on blue gunlancer, if I recall correctly he made it with the classic 4 2 1 setup at 1610 level and he was doing around 10m dps.

[@KarlRamstedt]

@@Jaigarber no need to look at parses as these are highly susceptible to RNG. The Crit math is known, so you can literally just calculate the overall bonus. With 650 Crit stat you're looking at +12% damage from Precise Dagger, a fair bit below your other engravings.

[@Jel0XD]

1. Where is your crit sitting at? 2. Reasoning as to why you chose right tripod for leap attack 3rd row?

[@Haiguh]

After the balance patch, Shockwave is better than Electric Field imo

[@Jel0XD]

@@Haiguh I'm asking about low shock vs leap. I'm aware of shockwave being better

[@Haiguh]

@@Jel0XD It does more damage.

[@synergy312]

Been playing blue since launch aswell and from what I have researched nightmare crit still has highest ceiling if your weap quallity is high. But now with elixirs it might not be the case because the crit dmg elixir is too strong so halu would be better.

[@Grimaldo354]

I tried red and it wasn’t for me. Blue with nightmare and the standard 4/2/1 build just feels very natural to me. Generally I run DUF for most purposes and replace with firebolt at 10 with recharge run with Hanumatan, but I think of myself as a utility class. I don’t bother at all with shield shock.

[@Assassinss77]

Also someone who has been playing GL since the game came out in EU. Be careful if you use the big leap on Brel you can fail the red line connection thingy. If you pay attention on raid when you have the red line and you use leap, you jump so high that it breaks for a small second. That's one reason why I'm not using it. 2nd reason is it feels weird with the charge-up. Ruins the flow for me. I use nightmare and when you go into boundless with the cd reduction you get, you can get permanent buff uptime so at that point you just only press what is off cd. Even without boundless and maybe higher gem you are almost near having 100% uptime on that buff. As for your concern with crit rate I think it matters, but it should be close when you have high cd and spam out more skills. I also don't use cd on shield charge, but I use dmg and cd on battlefield shield. Edit: Something that I remembered what I'd like to be changed. I love how they changed Battlefield Shield. However, I would like to have the RNG tripod on Thunderbolt back. If you had good RNG you could cast 3 Thunderbolt one after another which felt awesome. I would also like if we had tripods that mattered, because most of the tripods for Blue GL feels 1 option only. You can't switch around because you have stuff like, this deals more stagger, this knocks up, this reduces the dmg you take or just straight up cd decrease while other classes have nice things like + crit rate, + dmg on all tripods on the skill and what not. I also dislike how different Ready-up tripods give different attack increase value. If you want to keep it where we have to use 1 skill as a rotation starter let us choose which one out of 2-3 skills. The bash feels awful even with the increased range and I have no clue how red players deals with this if they are running lvl 7 bash.

[@alvaromfont]

Why not going classsic 5x3+1 with nightmare?

[@Haiguh]

I wanted big yellow numbers :)

[@Qompaa]

I main swapped to gunlancer when hell valtan came out and I’ve loved the game even more ever since. I’ve tried crit main red, swift red, hallu kbw, nightmare swift and and nightmare spec crit. And I can tell you one thing for sure, playing gunlancer just to dps is the wrong mentality to have. Gunlancer shines in so many other things that most classes don’t! The value of a gunlancer really comes from the players ability to successfully ease raid survival and mechanics. I’d suggest you explore new areas like a hybrid staggerbot build for gates like 3/4 Brel, it’s fun to see the stagger checks just instantly disappear! Don’t need to be full expertise, just swap one of your legendary engravings for legendary vital point hit and use leg overwhelms on bash (concussion tripod) & shield bash and you should be able to solo yellow wipes gate 4 and 90 bars / 20 bars stagger check. It brings the option of using Nineveh skips or Inana cleanses more viable since you’re a walking Wei As for dps rotations, spec crit nightmare with shield shock instead of NE works wonderful for fights like gate 5/6 Brel where there’s less need of a semi staggerbot and more need of a damage dealer. Split your rotations in 2 using leap attack cooldown tripod: Bash > SB > SC > Leap attack Bash > SB > GT > Leap attack Shield shock gives 2 adrenaline stacks. Fit it in depending on your next rotations cooldown, since sometimes you hit boundless. Your cooldowns will feel off until they all have the same gem, but that’s the beauty of the grind. Keep it up mate, you rock!

[@KyokujiFGC]

I believe all the testing KR did showed that Nightmare with quick prep/low shock on leap still does more DPS than Hallucination in most scenarios. Hallucination will be better for very short raids with a focus on burst windows, but at that point, you're better off just going red IMO.

[@Haiguh]

I could see that, with the crit being more meaningful especially if you have a crit synergy to help out the lack of crit

[@KyokujiFGC]

@@Haiguh I've tried enhanced strike on leap before, but it always seems to result in lower DPS for me, especially if it doesn't end up critting. Maybe for fights with very low uptime, I could see it being better than quick prep, but I've had poor results with it.

[@KarlRamstedt]

@@KyokujiFGC It should always be lower DPS. Assuming no RNG involved and all hits, then QP+Low Shock is +29% DPS over ES+Leap.

[@KyokujiFGC]

@@KarlRamstedt Wonder why I see it so often on loawa then if it's just flat out worse? I guess for fights with extremely low uptime?

[@KarlRamstedt]

@@KyokujiFGC That, or they're running Hallucination, which can get mana problems with Quick Prep.

[@TitChapR]

I also play spec crit hallucination my blue GL like you do and now it also feels Off to me so... It rly feels like you wanna play nightmare and stay in boundless to get 30% CDR on SoH and NE and the insane atk speed but with these long cooldown usually when you reach boundless everything is on CD and you can't maintain it for long. So idk I was thinking and spec swift and be like "fuck it I do Z dps anyway" so it could help with reaching boundless

[@KarlRamstedt]

Yeah, I'm a big fan of Swift on necklace myself. Also allows you to cheap out on accessories and go Precise Dagger 3 for your 5x3+1. It's like +18% dmg with zero crit :D

[@Vortexstreet]

I play blue gunlancer exclusively as well. I have been locking myself to keen blunt weapon for the longest time. I accidentally cut a kbw10/stabilized status 6 stone since around vykas release. I have persuaded myself this (kbw+hallucination) is a comparable dps build to regular nightmare build, which is true to some extent. The mana problem can be totally solved by 24% recovery food or a MP regen bracelet. The big thunderbolt crit is very satisfying. It is indeed a good dps build. It gives around the same dps compared to nightmare if nightmare doesnt go into boundless, and whenever nightmare stops hitting or there is crit syn in the party, kbw+hallucination is stronger. HOWEVER, it completely locks you into crit/spec neck, hallucination set and using mana food. Recently, with ancient update, I bought some accessories and built 5x3+1 (gru3/barri3/ss3/cd3/cr3/adr1) without kbw. I can freely switch between hallucination and nightmare, and between crit/spec neck and spec/swift neck. If the fight is short and I want consistent dps, I can go crit+hallucination. If I go on a 2man/3man brel gate4, I can go swift+nightmare for maximal stagger without losing too much dps. Such flexibility gives me the most joy ever. Locking to kbw limits my enjoyment of playing blue gunlancer, despite it's a good dps build. Being adaptive to any fight is so important for blue gunlancer. Yet, if you stick with one build, kbw is not bad. As I heard, players from kr replacing SS with KBW is because there is shield piercing damage later on where you cannot upkeep SS even if you have a fat shield. And btw, man, you are blessed by that cr5/cd3 drop, and you only sold it for 190k???

[@Haiguh]

My friends said 130k! I thought it might go for more, but yeah it sold really fast I probably coulda sold it more. Although I don't think it would have went for much more maybe like 250k or something like that. Yeah the diversity you can get in playstyles leaning more utility based or more damage is quite a nice perk about blue GL, I been working on different setups for that as well!

[@0HunG0]

I'm not a Gunlancer main but I played both builds. Blue lancer seemed to be very boring in the beginning for me. Since you tank like everything and dont care about anything in raids. So I've switched up to red and he's 1540 now but I wont keep playing GL (personal preference - other classes are more fun to play). Ofc you'll see bigger numbers as a Red lancer. Surge + Charged cannon deals in total like 120million. Its nice to see but in the end of the raid you wont be the MVP anyways. GL in general has a big utility and I think blue is the best build for the team. As a red lancer u always wait the CD's to come off before u actually SoH + bash. Means ur team has a lower uptime. IMO blue is the way. Not only for the team but if you're thinking it like this: you'll never be Cruelfighter anyways in a normal raid so why would u give up the tankyness and utility. but maybe its only me :D

[@joshuagomez7613]

I play 4 Gls all blue and the thing i see most ppl do is just piano keyboarding and not sticking to a strict rotation. Having your shout of hatred up every time before you go bash, shield bash, thundercrack, leap, gives you a huge damage boost, shout of hatred comes up in time every two rotations. Also having Low shock with quick prep feels alot comfier. You can fit leap in both rotations and helps keeping stacks up. And the biggest thing of cr3 no adrenline vs cr1 with adrenline is cr1 with adr is so expensive to buy it guts your spec. Having cr3 with high spec make up the damage loss and makes your shield even bigger. And when your not using shield shock you can replace the shield charge cd gem with battlefield stance attack gem, but having shield charge on low cd is nice in gates like brel 6. love your vids man. The community guide on google docs is so nice as it has your rotation and your dps chart with it. My favorite roation is, shout, bash, shield bash, thundercrack, leap wait, then bash, shield bash, shield charge, leap.

[@eduardobsney]

This is the rotation ive talk my comment, favorite where too.

[@BcMLuqaDriS]

if raid or gate dont have any spesific debuff use nelias energy with attack speed imma runin halucination gunlancer combat lv3 keen lv 3 grudge lv 3 adre lv 3 Barricade in future im planing to add cursed doll lv3 and +1 adreline for 5x3 +1 setup My rotation is basic Bash starting (got dmg buff and rotate lightning +leap+shield bash) then Dash upfire (conviction) Shield charge (judgement proc.) same rotation again and again if boss got counter or staggared im using nelias energy that moment and for attack speed and in 1 bash duration tryin to do much as possiable dmg Test it this one if u want and in real raids vs trixion is hella diffrent then each other but ur playin gunlancer so long u gonna get the idea what im talking about

[@eduardobsney]

I split the rotation in 2. bash, shield bash, thunder, leap / auto atk bash, shield bash, charge, leap. Problably do less damage because The use on CD tripod on leap atk, but you got much mor mobility. And use nighmare, droping kbw and place cursed doll.

[@gabrielhpugliese]

I do it very similar. Adrenaline is always up and feels good

[@omg1876]

Would you care to play my pseudo-support Nightmare build? It's super comfy. You can try to fiddle hm prokel in trixion with it. It's not meant for dps but it's super fun and you can carry on if support dies. SWIFT/Spec neck , everything else spec access. Swift/crit bracelet #* means that the number has Lv.5 tripod selected, if not then its at Lv.1 Lv.12GThunderBolt(Tripod: 3*-2*-1* Rune: Blue Rage) Lv.7Bash(Tripod: 1-1* Rune: Purple Quick Recharge) Lv.12ShieldBash(Tripod: 2*-3*-1* Rune: Legendary Rage) Lv.12LeapAttack(Tripod: 2*-3*-1* Rune: Purple Rage) Lv.10DashUpperFire(Tripod: 1*-2-1 Rune: Blue Quick Recharge) Lv.10ShoutOfHatred(Tripod: 1*-3-1 Rune: Purple Galewind) Lv.12ShieldCharge(Tripod: 3*-2*-2* Rune: Legendary Galewind) Lv.10Nellasia(Tripod: 3*-1-2* Rune: Purple Galewind) Attack Rotation: Shout>LeapAtk>ShieldBash>Bash>GTBolt>ShieldCharge>Nella>DuF>Leap>(repeat whatever fits into it) Engravings:Grudge3, Barricade3, StabilizedStatus3, SpiritAbsorbtion3, Adrenaline2 and CombatReadiness1. Life hack: BattleFieldShield can be used as dps in rotation if you have taunt skill off cd or use it to close distance like in G1 Brel after you get into safezones and want to close gap to boss in center, just battlefieldshield to middle then taunt and repeat rotation 😉 😀 lmk what you think of it! I'm on NAWest Valtan server and I've helped a ton of people fall in love with their GL alts again with this build. I hope it helped!

[@MostWantedWannaBE]

people go KB and drop Stabalized status the Downside of Cursed doll is not noticable on blue lancer and the downside of Stabalized status is voided KB is the new meta on reclear content it has higher damage in a burst sense if you have time to rotate your spells once or twice for example before the boss fucks off or you have to do your mech duties then kb just pops off the downside of KB is that you do require a crit synergy while before a crit synergy was w/e it's nice but not something to look for shield shock is used for Nightmare shieldshock allows you to enter Magic Addiction much easier and stay in it for longer which is where Nightmare pops off for nightmare to be popping off you also need lvl 10 cds they are actually massive dps increase but that being said nightmare is the dps spec kb with hallucination is the burst spec i want to make KB to see how it feels but i am really liking nightmare with lvl 10s cd even on reclear content once you enter the magic addiction and if you are using leadership the uptime on your synergy just skyrockets and i think maxing out everyones atk speed and giving them more damage much more often outweighs Your personal output i'm certain that it's fun to be on the mvp screen with damage but i didn't pick a tank class to be doing the most damage

[@zwarth123]

I like Blue GL because I can save team with battlefield shield. =D

[@Mx_9-k8t]

For me gunlancer started to be the most fun class when i switched to Red. You probably want to stay blue but red ist just sooo much better. The damage is respectable and not far behind meta classes. CGL is BY FAR the most broken ability in this game and this alone makes the spec extremly fun. I mean, just imagine getting hit purposely to hit the boss back for 50m every 12s. Also compared to blue red gunlancers dps ceiling is quite high.

[@Haiguh]

Yeah Red definitely has its fun parts, but then you lose the ability to use battlefield shield which is what I like. The other thing to me that gets frustrating is head attacking because this doesn’t value it like it does back attacking. There are tons of back attack friendly patterns is the raids we do but you cannot say the same for head attacking. Maybe I will end on red, but we’ll see.

[@KyokujiFGC]

DPS ceiling on red is higher, but the floor is also one of the lowest in the game. If you don't get frontals almost every time, then red DPS falls way behind blue's. Also, since the buff to guardian's thunderbolt, blue is only around 1m DPS behind red's ceiling now on average, which means blue is probably actually going to out damage red on longer fights -- especially the closer you are to ilvl.

[@Haiguh]

@@KyokujiFGC Do you know what the ideal rotation is for these ceiling setups or where I can find them?

[@KyokujiFGC]

@@Haiguh Unfortunately, I don't. Would probably need someone familiar with KR to answer that.

[@kin4245]

How do you hit 50m on CGL? Genuine question, I believe I have a respectable setup at 1550 iLvl (lvl 7 gem, maxed CGL tripod, +19 weapon, middling quality) and I've never seen CGL go remotely close to 50m. I do agree it's a super fun ability though.

[@zhenyucai8688]

Blue gunlancer doesnt have great damage same with red. Blue gunlancer is just a mini support. You allow your team to greed for more dps uptime.

[@alexandre2849]

Red is more of a support than Blue (more stagger, destru, counter, shield, taunt & less dps)

[@FatedLotus]

Always been a red lance. Tried out blue and saw the potential damage and fluidity of skills, but the windows for damage are too small and you suffer from those windows even more when you don’t crit. Even with lvl 10 CD gems it’s not enough to fit into those windows. CD gems are for increasing the amount of windows for those skills to fit in. It’s the speed. The only way to fix it is running level 2 SA with a yearning buff. You’re able to fit more skills into those windows, then your limiting factor is your crit rate/crit synergy and you lose out on a damage engraving. 5x3+1 SA Would be nice, but the ideal is 5x3+2 SA, but it’s hard to get. With yearning the window stays the same, but your skills that you can fit into that window increases. This is what I’ve seen, but I may be incorrect. I did nightmare for my testing and saw high numbers but suffered because of no crits. Hallu would be the fix for this, but your damage suffers slightly. If blue lancer could play as entropy… that would be the fix for crit and damage, but you’re locked to frontals only, but it’s not possible from the tests I did.

[@JohnDoe-xr7mj]

The answer is obvious. Play GT Destroyer

[@Haiguh]

true

[@KarlRamstedt]

Quick Prep+Low Shock is 29% more DPS than Enhanced Strike+Leap. It's also faster, giving you better mobility. As for gems, just get the lvl10 Shout gem and you'll be golden. Beyond that there's no point in upgrading any of the other cooldown gems separately, cuz they'll all need to be upgraded to get a DPS increase(rotation syncing). Then if you wanna spend more, get the Lvl10 damage gems. Prio: Thunder > Leap > SBash > Charge.

[@Haiguh]

Do you mind sharing the breakdown on the 29% more dps? Like is that overtime? If so how much time because there’s no way thats on initial cast

[@KarlRamstedt]

@@Haiguh DPS = over time. Damage is what is per cast :P Quick Prep makes cooldown 10, so you can fit it 2 times per rotation. So that's +100% DPS from Quick Prep, then +80% from Low Shock, for a total of 2x1.8 = 3.6x DPS. Compared to +40% from Enhanced Strike and +100% from Leap, giving a total of 1.4x2 = 2.8. 3.6/2.8 = 1.29, AKA 29% more DPS. QP+LS leap seems like a nobrainer to me, especially with the extra utility. Main use for the fat leap tripod is in chaos dungeon ;D

[@Haiguh]

@@KarlRamstedt I think it depends on what you're looking for personally. The big leap tripod is more bursty and won't give you mana issues because of the CD extension which is better for Hallucination build while I agree that QP and LS is better for nightmare where mana is less of an issue. Or doing longer content like progging.

[@ltsArlong]

if you have any questions on gunlancer in general i would ask EG_Danny on twitch. He's probably the strongest gunlancer i've ever played with and is a hell mode raider, good player