Lost Knowledge of the Imagination with Gary Lachman

[@barquerojuancarlos7253]

Whew! This was intense, extremely knowledge-packed 45 minutes. This is equivalent to the best college lecture you'll find in the best of universities anywhere.

[@tewtravelers9586]

Gary has a rare gift for handling vast amounts of information. As does Dr. Mishlove. Fantastic conversation.

[@johnpaul5474]

Jeff, you and your guests have created a fantastic resource for everyone who cares about humanity and the humanities.

[@Lu11abi]

for people who Hate humanity, too! 💖🖤💖 😜

[@skagitmg8997]

Iain McGilchrist wrote a book called The Master and His Emissary and says that before language was developed Homo Sapiens communicated by song, gesture, and facial expression. As language developed it almost completely took control of the left hemisphere but it still worked with the right hemisphere which was the source of the imaginal capabilities and heart felt insight. Eventually the left hemisphere became dominant and killed imagination and language just as Gary is saying. The RH is the source of the pure poetry and the great accomplishment of the LH is the flying pig as novelty and fantasy contrasted with original material that only the RH can do.

[@geoffreynhill2833]

Informed, literate, fluent, a great guide. 🌈🦉

[@amanitamuscaria7500]

Terence McKenna's idea was that language was developed by women. The way to be a good (male) hunter, was to be silent, and be able to sit and wait for prey animals. Speaking was a drawback for them. Whereas the women were gathering plants and had to be able to identify and describe them, in detail, to avoid poisoning. They also used language as a social tool. And it is interesting that even today, girls are often more adept at a younger age with language. Gary is amazing in his breadth of knowledge.

[@mikelobrien]

I love the interviews with Gary. I am putting all his books on my to-read list. Thanks so much for these fascinating and insightful talks! 👏💗

[@TheRightHandedNeutrino]

I’ve become such a huge fan of this guy!

[@aphysique]

Your not alone!

[@Lu11abi]

Doc Mishlove is a world heritage treasure. 💖

[@blackbird365]

I absolutely LOVE the breadth of fascinating topics touched upon, outlined & the references to relevant books crammed into this talk! ❤ I intend to discover more & read lots more, especially more of Barfield & Goethe (who have long been heroes of mine.) Your eagerness, intensity & obvious excitement is infectious ... I am inspired to study everything you mention here! I really enjoy the topics & the highly educated, wonderfully articulate, open-minded, explorative attitudes of both of you. THANK YOU! 🙏🤩

[@JuliaHelen777]

Thank you, both! 🙌 The kind of dots-connecting-pondering to take into the weekend. 😉 I might have (at some point) to play this one once again... Enjoy your weekend days, everyone! 🤗 Soak up the Sunlight, Smile alot & Send out the good, lovely vibes! 🤗

[@aureliorodriguez5275]

Julian Jaynes suddenly appears at the end of conversation just when I was missing him most.

[@jasonb4321]

43:00 he touches on not having ways to measure our experiences and experiments with the imaginal world. What we all actually need is a step by step protocol for connecting with this aspect of ourselves. . . .

[@Marcelrocha884]

Amazing and eye opening conversation! Thank you very much!

[@campelasticityproductions]

Excellent presentation. Thanks.

[@ramkrishnadas4230]

It is a true gift of Jeffery to bring such wonderful researchers and understanders of the wisdom. Always look forward to his interviews with Gary and other great beings. Unfortunately can not support him right now, but aim to do so one day.

[@dontcallmejon]

Great segment! Jung, Hermeticism, Corbin, the Imaginal senses, to me this is ultimately what it is all about when you strip away all religions, psychology and occult systems.

[@benbishop1131]

I love these discussions on the imagination. Mentally vitalizing and refreshing. Lachman always amazes me with his brilliant articulation.

[@GaryLachman]

Thank you.

[@thitherword]

This was excellent. I recently read and reviewed Lachman's book (on my channel), but watching this interview brought much of it together for me.

[@prospero6337]

Gary Lachman is the Mountain and the El Dorado cache. Always a great interchange and extolled subject, thought, perspectives, context, and historical span and sinkings.

[@mementomatrix]

i dont think so

[@gregorye.leblanc4719]

What a wonderful conversation. The intersection of ideas and knowledge are so rare; I am reminded a bit of RAW. I knew Gary back in the B. Tree days; I am so happy to be the beneficiary via these wonderful interviews of his sincere and expert journey among the philosophers and mystics. Thank you Dr. Mishlove and congratulations Gary!

[@GaryLachman]

My pleasure Greg. Mention of the Bodhi Tree brings back fond memories...

[@georgitchkhaidze1127]

Incredibly interesting interview! Karl Jung said I continued the work of Goethe, Nietzsche and alchemists. He also said that the entire European culture is shaped by rational thinking. From ancient Greece to our time. But now the time for rational materialism is over. Thank you both!

[@kabud]

Gary is brilliant! 2 of my favourite ideas: 1) ask yourself where your THOUGHTS are coming from? Not an easy one indeed 2) learn how to distinguish in your imagination real Messages from Devine - this is most important since we arrived at the beginning of a new Era , s a prophetic period is what it started with Some of the lucky ones are given lots of very direct and specific signes, some times real names are named

[@athenassigil5820]

I missed this one! Excellent, I'm going to enjoy this! Keep the great guests coming. Gary, as usual, is so knowledgeable on the confluence of occultic ideas, lore and history. He's become this era's Colin Wilson, but still follows his own daemon.

[@johnnyfmorgan]

listening to gary, I feel like I walked into a bar in the east vlllage and struck up a conversation with the guy next to me and two hours later we'd covered a large chunk of western philosophy- without one moment feeling like a lecture.

[@AtacamaHumanoid]

Gary is awesome and so is his music.

[@thereturntobeing]

Barfield’s name is appearing everywhere for me.

[@markriva4259]

Imagination is more important than knowledge.

[@susanwoodward7485]

The depth and breadth of knowledge here is both astounding and inspirational. A new-to-me author to dive into. So grateful to both of you for this video. Hope there will be even more.

[@jgallagher1968]

Wow! This was really great. Gary really knows his stuff. Now that he mentions it I also see the resemblance of Freud in Philemon. Thank you so much Jeffrey for another wonderful talk. Try and get Gary to do one on Jung as he obviously has great insight into him.

[@FAPPJAPPDAPP]

"God is your own wonderful human imagination." - Neville Goddard. It's as simple as that!

[@mementomatrix]

not, that is solipsism

[@nigelericogden3200]

Excellent.

[@omniufo7350]

I watch these shows more then all of you im your number one fan Gary and Jason..💥💥bring it..I found parts of life just random..a artist pallet for creating.. incredible show...i was hypnotized once and I found my pants unbuttoned after....😃..c o m e d y.

[@jasonb4321]

Neville Goddard spent his entire career sharing the power of the imagination.

[@susanwoodward7485]

The predecessor to language was music: the external RESONANT expression of the internal psycho-emotional relationship to to both the internal and external world impressions.

[@debralucas2224]

I've had thoughts along those lines... fascinating stuff :)

[@raufkurdi4775]

Relate this to morphic field theory, read Sheldrake, and we can start to have a scientific discussion about these "occult" matters.

[@Jchathe]

Excellent interview, thank you

[@angelaluciam100]

"Seeing Imagination" seems to be so totally normal to myself. Still, being most surprised, I did meet quite a few people being incapable of seeing, of imagining, anything at all !! Being an interior decorator, I can vision everything in my imaginations, from colors to furniture to dimensions of a room etc.etc. Also I enjoy daydreaming, thus most clearly seeing every single detail of my future home in some dimension, once I am dead here : The architecture, decorations, garden, birds, animals, etc., etc. Interestingly, always exactly the same mansion is visible in my imagination ... thus I do not know if it is an experience due to my home in the past (in a former incarnation,) or my home in the future, as past and future is the same ... concerning time.

[@GaryLachman]

I have to give credit to Anja Bjorlo for pointing out the Freud/Philemon connection.

[@DarkMoonDroid]

It makes alot of sense. ☕🥐

[@georgitchkhaidze1127]

With growing influence of science and the birth of industrialization a historical turnaround has happened. In philosophy, the idealism of Georg Hegel was followed by the materialism of Karl Marx. In literature, Goethe's "Faust" described this dramatic change as a pact with the devil. Later, Nietzsche announced the death of the Christian god and the return of Odin. In music, Wagner wrote the opera Ring of the Nibelung.

[@topherming6565]

Gary didn't even get into what William Blake said about the imagination, but it's worth listening to. Maybe you can find him talking about it on other videos.

[@celiacapetillo7783]

Thank you!!! This is so awesome, Yes ❤❤!!

[@jpoconnor2857]

Having studied martial arts in the old way things are taught more or less apriori or intuitively through the spirit and students were promoted due to their "understanding" of the teaching unlike the Western way of demonstrating physical skill. Athletes also obtain a flow state sometimes referred to as the zone. Although I primarily considered myself a universalist if I had to describe my beliefs it would be somewhere between a deist and a animist.

[@LeeGee]

Fascinating chat, as ever.

[@AyahuascaMagic]

What was the German word Goethe coined for plant archetype?

[@GaryLachman]

Urpflanze. Apologies for the missing umlaut over the U.

[@SainteMichele]

Mishlove could do this show without any guests. I love listening to him.

[@Mikkokosmos]

Fantastic! Do you release your interviews in podcast form? I would love to listen to this when driving or on the subway 🙂 I have many of Gary's books.

[@antoniumes]

You can buy youtube premium. It allows downloads and sound playng on mobile while screen is off.

[@Mikkokosmos]

@@antoniumes thank you! That's a good idea. 🙂

[@NewThinkingAllowed]

We have audio only podcasts available on all the popular platforms. -NTA team

[@Mikkokosmos]

@@NewThinkingAllowed Thank you. Nice! I have also since asking this signed up for YT Premium so I can now listen on here when driving 👍

[@guitpizz]

Folks, here is something I figured out after spending a full year in Bolivian 25 years ago as a young man. I realized right there that of I wanted to read fiction I simply had to read the New York Times and pretty much most of what we see out there. As a result I no longer needed to read novels. However, if I needed to get in touch with something real and true then my guys were folks like Mark Twain, Dostoyevski or even great lyrics songwriters like the late Neil Peart from the band Rush. Neil might have spent a year or two polishing a short text while.some dude from a newspaper talks about tomatoes scarcity one day then becomes a Jeffrey Epstein know it all for a month before turning into a Covid 19 know it all. They stitch snippets of info together and paste it between 2 pick up trucks ads on page 25 of the paper. William Blake all day long.

[@h.a.s.42]

Amazing interview. I've read Lachman's book - a great inspiration. The only thing I would object against is the way he (and his interviewer) pronounce Goethe's name. It took me while to sass out who they talk about. Why English speaking people cannot take the effort to learn how to pronounce foreign names. It often happens with C. G. Jung - people saying 'Young'.

[@GaryLachman]

I pronounce Goethe auf Deutsch, naturlich.

[@krshrv]

I really need to contact my inner healing advisor. any advice in this regard would be appreciated.

[@antoniumes]

Me too. In fact I had this intention a few months ago. Since then I had a few advisors in dreams, in hypnagogic state.

[@krshrv]

@@antoniumes interesting. did you do anything in particular to usher in those dreams?

[@NewThinkingAllowed]

See www.thinkingallowed.com/2mrossman.html. This will take you to an "InnerWork" DVD (available for purchase) from the original Thinking Allowed series (in which I currently have no financial interest). It is the very one in which I was hypnotized and encountered Seneca as my own inner healing advisor.

[@luckylingini]

Jeffrey, I'm so intrigued by you and find you so attractive. I hope our paths cross one day.

[@leoboss3712]

It sounds like Thinking Allowed but also Thinking Aloud 😀

[@SainteMichele]

well in ancient times cannabis wasn't illegal. so there was plenty of creativity and understanding.

[@prognosis8768]

if you want to become more aware of your use of dead metaphors and cliches, try talking to very young children. They will tend to point out the things that don't make sense. You can also spot them more easily in a language you are learning. For instance, when I started learning Spanish, I was rather surprised that the name of a sandwich at a local restaurant, a Ropa Vieja sandwich, meant "Old Clothes" - not exactly a mouth-watering concept...

[@laurelharris8519]

Jeffrey said not to Skip the Ads, so I just watched a ten minute ad. Okay, sure, the host of the home renovation show was a hottie, and I know how to build a deck now, but...ten minutes.

[@panicsum]

Everything is imagined.

[@jasonb4321]

Neville Goddard 🙂

[@DC-wg1cr]

I always wish they had taught the imaginative side of mathematics. I can only learn by seeing the knowledge, not eating regurgitated bird feed.

[@Sternertime]

love itttt

[@charleshester4582]

Wow.

[@VirideSoryuLangley]

If we're talking about ancient poetry, Homer was very much a materialist, not a mystic. He depicted the Greek gods as flesh and blood people, not spirits. This was also the view of pre-socratic philosopher Heraclitus, who described the gods as immortal men, and men as mortal gods.

[@GaryLachman]

Rosy fingered dawn - not the name of an exotic dancer. You don't get more metaphorical than that.

[@GaryLachman]

And Barfield would agree absolutely. Nothing mystical about the ancient gods. They were as real to people then as cars and computers are to us.

[@GaryLachman]

@@nickshelbourne4426 This is precisely Barfield's point, and also that of Classicists such as Francis Cornford and literary scholars such as Erich Heller. We see the world very differently from how our ancestors saw it. Not more accurately as our modern predjucide would have it, but more prosaically.

[@DarkMoonDroid]

I would suggest the word "concrete" as opposed to "abstract". Concrete thinking leads to analogies and symbolism. And unless he was being facetious, Plato said the gods were not "real", but symbols. I'm not excluding the possibility that he was being facetious, either. His writings and the Socrates material have alot of wink-wink-nudge-nudge in them.

[@streettalk4thesoul]

👍👍

[@alcosmic]

Caveman Beatniks! 😄

[@AlvaSudden]

I'm getting a little tired of listening to an interview with someone only to have Jeffrey talk about himself for most of the session.

[@antoniumes]

Interesting knowledge about spirit world and eternal human nature, can also be found on divinetruth youtube channel where you can see and hear reincarnated first century spirits of Jesus from Nazareth and Mary Magdalene.

[@antoniumes]

Now I believe there is only one God with capital g. The other gods (AI included) are just overpowered spirits or spirit influenced humans or machines. They could be in service of God.

[@The_Space_Born]

Buddha was from Nepal NOT from India! He was also not an Indo-Aryan as many uninformed commentators keep perpetuating. Buddha was part of the Shakya clan and therefore was racially Mongoloid!

[@nickshelbourne4426]

Evidence or it didn't happen...

[@rahulthakar8006]

Yeh whatever makes you sleep better... Kindda pathetic that outta whole conversation you decided to point out this insignificant (and littrally false) issue.

[@DarkMoonDroid]

Relevant. ... ... ... ... Not.

[@kwiefinpussi6796]

Dude reminds me of Bill Gates

[@omniufo7350]

Painted mustaches would be real cool...or beards☺cool shades...ladies in bikinis... translating speech into sign language...in a window on lower part of the screen😀