Lost Norwich - Palace Street/ St. Martin at Palace Plain

[@hartleyhare7375]

I love your uploads and allways look forward to more, Thank you for the amount of time and effort it takes to produce them, Very much appreciated.

[@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich]

Thank you, it's very kind of you to say so. I enjoy making them.

[@davegoldsmith4020]

Thanks John, another video with a personal connection. My grandfather having returned to our area after Seperating from my grandmother during WW2 moved to Norwich in about 1961,. At 1 minute, seen above the white van is where he lived, until he passed in 1980. He worked as a retired live in Chef, for the Salvation Army, then based in the building. my wife and I were very fond of him, and met him weekly, until we moved to Germany. I think of him every time I pass the building, I did not know how close to the cathedral Erpingham house was, again thanks.

[@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich]

Thank you Dave -it's always great to get a personal recollection like that.

[@peterjameson321]

Thank you John. Another delightful and enlightening video. It looks as though I'll be walking Palace Plain over the holiday weekend!

[@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich]

Thank you Peter - and it's an interesting area to walk! Have a good Easter!

[@dangerduo9179]

I used to go to school with Claudine Keelan whose Dad was Kevin Keelan (footballer). Her parents owned the Wig and Pen in the 80's.

[@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich]

Kevin Keelan was my idol, and got me into being a goalkeeper of sorts! Never knew they used to have that pub.

[@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich]

Kevin Keelan was my idol, and got me into being a goalkeeper of sorts! Never knew they used to have that pub.

[@dangerduo9179]

I think it may have been her step-dad and her Mum that owned it, although I am not 100% sure

[@2clarki]

great video John - the pub map of Norwich shows the Horse Shoes pub being half way between palace plain and the maids head and not near the corner of the plain - this may explain the differing appearance of the building next door ?

[@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich]

Thank you....I think that looking at that map, and assuming the demolition of the building next to all the adverts at 2:15 does explain it.

[@adrianrutterford762]

Fascinating, as ever. Thanks for sharing. One of my most regularly visited parts of the city. And not to attend The Courts, just in case anyone gets the wrong impression. Also….. Curse the algorithm as I’ve only just found this nearly two weeks initial posting.

[@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich]

Ha ha, very good! If it helps I put a new video out every third Thursday, next one on 18 April. Thanks for your comment, and keep cursing the algorithm...

[@adrianrutterford762]

@@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich Thanks John. I will make a note in my, old fashioned but jolly useful, diary for the 18th, and then onwards into May. Keep up the good work, it’s totally fascinating to see how much The City has changed (or not changed) over the years. All the best

[@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich]

@@adrianrutterford762 thanks Adrian, cheers.

[@tashashaback]

great footage and well shot

[@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich]

Thank you, that's very kind.

[@IDreamOfGaming]

Another excellent video

[@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich]

Thank you so much for your feedback 👍

[@stephendey5056]

Thanks john, thats the first, only brief, photo of the Norwich gas works, that I've come across. although I was based at the Gas Hill site as a fitter. we used to fill up there with fuel for our vans and the servicing etc was done there in the transport workshops. Then everything was moved to brand new built accomadation for everything at Roundtreeway, except for a small site at Cremorne Lane. The gasworks were then demolished sometime after this.

[@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich]

Thank you. The gas works site I feature in the video is where the magistrates courts are no located, not the Gas Hill site. Hope that was clear. There was another picture of these gasworks in this video. kzbin.info/www/bejne/pIezm4SPj9Z4Zrc

[@stephendey5056]

@@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich Yeah I'm aware of that mate, thanks.

[@The_Brit_Girls]

Such wonderful old buildings in this location. Hehe, I wonder where the nearest Candlestick Maker was? I've never really noticed the ornate historic window attached to the end of that building before. It looked fabulous. It was fascinating to learn about Erpingham House and that its incumbent fought at the Battle of Agincourt! Thank you for another wonderfully researched and presented video.

[@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich]

Thank you for your comments. So much in this area was fascinating, and I wasn't really expecting that when I started putting it together.

[@martinhooker2692]

The Horse Shoes was never on the corner of Bedding Lane. It was at 21 Palace Street in the middle of the row. That's why the views are different because they are further along the street. I can't attach a map to show this but take a look at the 1884 or 1907 map of the street. Or take a look at my post on the Horse Shoes in Norwich Pubs And Their History.

[@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich]

Thanks Martin. On re-listening to my commentary, I don't think I explained myself very well!

[@cbarton64]

Another insightful and wonderful video John, thank you. I noticed that inside the magistrates court foyer is an historic arch, that the court house has been built around. I've no idea on its significance however, I'm curious as to where is fits in?

[@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich]

Thanks Chris, you're far more observant than me, I hadn't noticed it! I wonder if this helps - www.norwich360.com/normanhouse.html

[@cbarton64]

@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich It is exactly that. I had noticed it whilst visiting the court house recently. I never even knew it was there or what it once was.... now I do. I'm assuming that due to where it is and the storage conditions below ground, is why it's not more widely known about. Thanks John, really enjoying your videos as always 😀

[@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich]

@@cbarton64 thanks Chris for your fantastic feedback👍

[@martinhooker2692]

Also the Bakers Arms was opposite Frazers on the other corner of White Friars. Again check out my post of the Bakers Arms in Norwich Pubs And Their History. The house was demolished for road widening prior to the rebuilding of Whitefriars Bridge in 1924.

[@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich]

This map shows it being where I had indicated. www.norwich-heritage.co.uk/pubs/norwich_map_1885/norwich_map.asp?xcord=5660&ycord=3575&zoom=70

[@martinhooker2692]

That map is incorrect. I have photos of the Bakers Arms and it also shows Frazers opposite.

[@martinhooker2692]

If you look closely to the map it says the Bakers Arms on the opposite corner. The blue marked area is incorrect. He's just marked the wrong corner.

[@martinhooker2692]

If you look at this map it shows the pub clearly on the opposite corner. maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=18.5&lat=52.63401&lon=1.30086&layers=168&b=1&o=100 No matter really but Frazers was never the Bakers Arms. As I say take a look at my Bakers Arms post and you can see the pub with Frazers opposite.

[@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich]

@@martinhooker2692 thanks very much Martin - I can see what you mean. Would you be able to post a link to that picture on here.

[@lukewolsey]

1:09 nowadays we would say that's a vegan butcher!

[@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich]

very true!

[@jamesgilbart2672]

Interesting architectural tour. It's a pity that like many 1960s structures, more recent buildings such as Centenary House continue to be totally unsympathetic to their historic surroundings. They give parts of this attractive ('fine') city a rather bland look.

[@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich]

I agree, it's not the most sympathetic of buildings. Sometimes I feel juxtaposition can work - but maybe not in this instance! Thanks for your comment.

[@sameyers2670]

It's like that in a lot of places. I live near Hull, the centre of which was flattened in the war and a lot of the 1950s/60s buildings look drab

[@JohnAtkinsLostNorwich]

@@sameyers2670 Thanks for commenting all the way from near Hull! I'd like to think architects take pride in their work, but sometimes it doesn't come over like that! Financial constraints must play a part - but such constraints have always been there.