Lottery Win Ends in Murder - The Tragic Kidnapping of Graeme Thorne

[@WellINever]

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[@chrystanellefarmer4163]

😅😅😅😅

[@ARedMotorcycle]

No, thanks. I use Nord. 😆

[@coxmosia1]

I'm so glad the kidnapper's family left him to fend for himself and not try and defend him. That doesn't happen often. I truly do feel sorry for the Thorn family though. A life changing amount turned out to be a nightmare for them.

[@mountainman4859]

Imagine the shame they must have endured their entire lives because of this evil man. I feel bad for them.

[@aprilcanipe2614]

He could have let that baby go...he just wanted someone to hurt as much as he did. Sad, pathetic man. Jealousy is an ugly thing.

[@rohsek7298]

I can’t wrap my head around how someone can weaponise a child for any reason

[@561ram]

Weaponized children??? ....I think they call that a suicide bomber in Afghanistan.

[@daleolson3506]

All of the fanatics do it. Look at all the freaks we have

[@taylorbunch7825]

I should introduce you to my x-wife & my mother. Pure sociopaths

[@aprilcanipe2614]

People going thru custody battles do it everyday. It's gross.

[@DonSmith2323]

​@@daleolson3506the fanatics are the freaks genius

[@xTigressStylex]

Not a single trouble in his pathetic life can justify that monster’s actions. He did it all willingly. Yet he was a father himself! Poor Graeme, and his family. I’ve seen a documentary about this case which was focused a lot on the aftermath. Can’t imagine all the grief mr. Thorne had been through.

[@kellydalstok8900]

The fact that he was on his third marriage in the days when divorce was far less common already seems to me like a sign something was wrong with the man.

[@susanvaughan-schiele210]

A poisonous evil heart doesn't need much excuse to act so inhumanely..

[@Badficwriter]

A call center I worked at once singled out an employee for identifying a criminal. It was supposed to be praise, but all the employees were uncomfortable. We lived in areas where we could be easily threatened by the criminal's associates. Being identified was a threat, not an accolade.

[@waynerichards2944]

I was near 5 yo when this happened. I have never forgotten how my mother used to talk about Grahame Thorne regularly as an example for why I shouldn't talk to strangers or take lifts from the same. I'm sure this has affected me still to this day.

[@sokalbenoit]

I love your way of telling stories. You are straight to the point but not heartless. Your stories have a clear line of events and when told with your voice (which is intriguing and very nice to the ear) they give me the vibe of being right there and I feel all of the emotions. You are truly one of the best storytellers I encountered. Thank you, sir!

[@benmcreynolds8581]

Very well said. I couldn't have described it any better myself

[@dumbassloser]

And his accent and waistcoat. He MUST smoke a pipe! I'd like to se him in movies.

[@davidpowell6098]

Top comment, I totally agree.

[@sarafleming9893]

I am just plain stunned! 😢 My heart broke for the parents. Also, I agree with keeping the winner of any lottery, contest, etc. anonymous. It is their winning, their good luck, leave them alone. Yes, I’d love to win a lottery. Yes, I wish it was me when it happens. Would I harm someone or do something to get to the money? Absolutely not. 😊

[@riveramnell143]

This is why I’d be scared if I won the lottery. Other winners have been targeted in the US before too. Not kidnappings but threatened with violence if they didn’t give money. I feel bad for this poor man and his family, and the little boy himself. He must have been so scared.

[@beck86]

It's why I'm glad that here in Australia, when I win big, I won't have my name printed all over the place. I feel sorry for winners in certain American states where you have to have your name published.

[@eatiegourmet1015]

@@beck86 I am fortunate to be in a state in the US that allows lottery winners to remain anonymous. There aren't very many, I think only 5 or 7 states? I've never won more than $25, but you never know! My, "yeah, why not" throwing away $1, just on a lark might... who knows -- pay off the house and I'd travel cross-country, (which I've always wanted to do). But I surely wouldn't want my name to be published!

[@bakielh229]

@@beck86 You'll never win, that's the trick

[@bakielh229]

@@eatiegourmet1015 Keep paying that poor people tax buddy

[@mikeneill6813]

Do the IRS subject winners to tax?

[@prudencepineapple9448]

On side-note, and being born in Sydney, this was very big news. My family lived close-by and my father showed me the still vacant block of land where Graeme body was found. It made me quite upset when both parents appeared on a press conference about Graeme. I distinctly remember Mr Thorne breaking down completely in absolute despair. It broke my heart when his body was discovered in that vacant lot my dad showed me in 1968. The Thorne's divorced not long after. Another fascinating story for you to tell would be that of Edgar Cook. The mass murderer who struck in the 1960s spreading fear into many Perth, Western. Last one, Eugene Falleni, also from Australia during the 1920s. She lived her life as a man, even marrying a woman. Strangely, she would use an implement during a 'roll-in-the'hay'. None of his/hers wives knew he was actually a woman. Just have a search for her and her mug-shots.

[@sara.gem.n.L]

I have that biography "Eugenia". It's a very considerate portrayal of his life. "Harry's" personal thoughts and feelings, and the conversations between him and his family are of course the author's speculation, but I think they're reasonable assumptions. I agree, it would make a great episode.

[@prudencepineapple9448]

@@sara.gem.n.L Indeed it would ! And to think Eugenia, whilst working in a café, she was arrested by an off-duty Policeman. Her crime weighed very much upon her, and her spur-of-the-moment rage at being 'dropped'. His friends said that this was totally out of character.

[@jaehaspels9607]

Whoa...those sound fascinating. They would be good to hear about.

[@1776-r4j]

@@sara.gem.n.L Her life, not his life.

[@sara.gem.n.L]

@@1776-r4j He felt more true as a man, he lived as a man, he was a man.

[@honinakecheta601]

I still think that lottery winners should be anonymous, at least for a certain amount of time after winning like 2-4 years then reveal their identities.

[@kellydalstok8900]

Let people decide for themselves whether they want it known. The people in charge of the lottery don’t have the right to reveal the identity without the consent of the winner ever, in my opinion.

[@marthaperdew]

I agree

[@saracreaney]

I thought they didn't have to reveal their name. I'm in the UK

[@gigiwilson9124]

What a tragedy the Thorne's dream quickly became a nightmare for life, thanks again Paul for another armchair true life thriller

[@beverlynorris557]

I have so many shows about lottery winners regretting winning. Their lives change so drastically and often for the worse.

[@kellydalstok8900]

In The Netherlands the organization that runs the official lotteries appoints an adviser to the winners of large sums of money in order to transition to their new status as wealthy people sensibly. Some may not take their advice, but that’s up to them.

[@alisonj9533]

To think he could have just left the boy once hed recieved the money. If only he had accepted the offer and been caught because he still got caught and still got nothing! What a disgusting creep.

[@nitrobowie5960]

As a viewer from Australia, this was so intriguing & as usual - perfectly presented. Our privacy laws around Lotto winnings are also much respected 😎

[@rox03y]

As a small girl growing up in 60’s Australia this story has always haunted me as has the tragic tale of the Beaumont children. My late husband’s parents knew Mr Beaumont as he was a door to door salesman where he lived. He said it was always awkward when Mr Beaumont knocked on their door. What could anyone say to him?

[@throttlegalsmagazineaustra7361]

The botanist who identified the plant samples stuck to the blanket was Joyce Vickery. I saw an interview with her many years ago where she spoke of how the detective listened to her findings, "looked very interested and asked if he could take the clippings with him." She died in 1979.

[@dianagiles9467]

This little boy was my public teachers nephew.. I remember her taking time off after he was kidnapped 😢

[@dianagiles9467]

Helen Thorne was the teacher sister of his father

[@Ms.HarmonyJ]

So tragic how can any human kidnap a little child why it hurts my heart especially when they end up murder I hope he in his family get the justice they deserve Paul as always you and your crew came through like champions ❤

[@claresmith9261]

But his family didn’t do it, he did

[@hound3000]

Feel sad for the Thorne family. Something good that led to something bad. I'm sure the family would say getting all that money is not worth losing their son like that. Everyone certainly felt jealously at some point, but to kidnap and murder the kid because of it, makes you a monster. He got off easy when he died of heart attack.

[@jayess2119]

even though the cases are quite disturbing and depressing it's a welcome change, the presenter Paul Brodie with a calm and distinguished style compared to rapid-hire delivery in many other sites :)

[@lakeireland]

I have to admit I was surprised the Aussie prison kept him away from the other inmates. In the US, he’d be thrown in GenPop and he’d get what was coming to him.

[@hogwashmcturnip8930]

Someone I know who did time for a punch up in the UK in the late 60s said that such criminals were under rule 47.In other words they were under the prison Governer's protection. It sounds outrageous, but it was actually awful. Because they were often in solitary, got no exercise, escorted everywhere and every now and again a warder would 'accidently' take them the down wrong corridor, right into a bunch of hardened cons coming the other way. Oops! Or they would take them to the showers at the wrong time, or 'forget ' to lock their cell. He said that although people on 'The Out' thought they had a cushy number, the 'screws' and cons made sure they did not. He said there was a child murderer in the prison he was in, and the prison hard men nearly killed him, but of course, no one heard about That! Makes you wonder when you read that this psycho hanged himself ,or whatever. Did he? Or was he helped along the way? He used to say 'Rule 47'was the best form of justice, because the law did not have the power to administer what was deserved. but the other prisoners and the warders could. Once that gate clanged shut, the outside world didn't have any ideawhat went on.

[@robertwilloughby8050]

I knew a chap who was in for receiving stolen goods, who was accidentally put on rule 47 for no good reason. Even though it was well known that this bloke was NOT a usual rule 47 prisoner, yes, they knew he wasn't a child murderers, a rapist, or anything else that would be normally be on rule 47, he was "de-nutted" by other prisoners, being told that all rule 47 prisoners were to be "de-nutted", and that they liked the idea of emasculating a receiver. So, it could go wrong...

[@56music64]

As an Australian, this along with the Beaumont children case, is probably the most commonly known murder. So sad for the family involved, what a complete waste of a young innocent life, the murderer was nothing but a loser.

[@KLGChaos]

This is what happens when someone has a victim complex. They blame everyone else for their troubles and attack anyone they perceive as better off, without actually knowing anything about them. I guess it's easier than taking responsibility for one's own life.

[@kellydalstok8900]

The fact that this man was on his third wife when divorce was far less common than it is today is telling, I think.

[@theoriginalbluey]

This is just so heartbreaking. That poor family, believing that their luck had finally turned around...

[@Wisdom-Nuggets-Tid-Bits]

What an incredibly sad sad story. Heart-breaking.

[@vapete1237]

Truly sad .. How could someone use a child as a bartering tool and then go on to end the life of that child .. shocking.

[@lynfawcett221]

You always deliver the facts so precisely. Another tragic story, but the perpetrator was caught. Even after fleeing the country, the Australuan Police caught up with him.

[@deniseleplatt1616]

This is why I would never want to win the lottery. To many crazies out there that would want to hurt you or your family. I can't imagine sending my grandkids to school with bodyguards. Thank you Paul for another wonderful video

[@beck86]

It's simple - keep the win quiet. Don't go around telling everyone and be careful who you give money too and you'll be fine.

[@deniseleplatt1616]

@@beck86 Except they publish the name of the winner. That's why winners usually set up a LLC. Oh the problems lol

[@NanaBren]

In some states the winner can remain anonymous.

[@InteriorDesignStudent]

Some winners have appeared on tv with disguises on so they were unrecognizable.

[@lakeireland]

The smart thing to do is before claiming the winnings, contact a lawyer and create a Trust. Then claim the money in the Trust’s name, with the lawyer representing the trust. This keeps your name and photo out of it.

[@mariacavanaugh1010]

Such a sad tragedy. The forensics always impress me, and the Postal Worker's knowledge of their route saved the police a lot of additional foot work. I'm also grateful for the legislators recognizing the need for new laws to protect lottery winners and punish those who act against others in this way.

[@wazzazone]

Thanks "Well I never" I remember this case from when I was six, it truly was a a crime that changed the way life flowed in Australia, poor Bazil and family, remembered that photo as soon as I seen it. Great work great channel.

[@EIRE55]

It seems he never intended to return that poor boy to his parents and, after killing him, he probably lost the courage to follow up with collecting the ransom money. A dreadful crime which achieved nothing but grief and pain. RIP, sweet Graeme🥀🥀🥀🥀🥀🥀

[@EnticinglyDeadly]

Now I’ve got something to be grateful for on my thanksgiving; Paul uploading a video.

[@purpleluna8413]

Well, I never! As an Aussie, I have never heard of this horrible tragedy What an awful event to happen Graeme's family where illiving in a duplex and by now means where doing ut easy where is rhe other family seemed to have a better life of a house Jealousy draws its ugly head, and you can't see what you have around you. Now two families have been destroyed

[@markstothard630]

Such a sad story..which you told very well as always. I can recall buying those same Opera House Lottery tickets back in the seventies....I never won though, of course.

[@meredith2803]

Tears are falling on this one, follow a lot of cases but the ones involving children just break my heart. No amount of money should ever convince you to hurt a child…what an evil man.

[@C4RYB34R]

what i wouldnt do to know someone like you. youre amazing.

[@kapitankrunch3]

Absolutely love your videos. Thank you for using your gifted voice to pass down stories of the darker bits of history, while still being relatively SFW. You are a KZbin gem!

[@thebooknitter]

This is terribly sad 😢 i cant imagine how someone could harm a child for money

[@gilzor9376]

Well, I never really had the patience to sit through documentaries or informational type videos that are mainly filled with the face of the narrator rather than video or stills of the subject. Especially annoying are the ones that are obnoxious and/or have 90% of the screen filled with their face, when the subject at hand really needs more content, not fast talking smiley personalities. They give you the impression it's more about them than the subject. But here, Paul Brodie does a fine respectable job of balancing the two. When he is in front of the camera, his approach is nothing but professional. Very well produced and executed. To date, always gets a 'like'

[@nickydenning6988]

Thank you Paul for choosing a tale from my hometown - such an unbelievably sad and vile case. As always, told with class and such fine detail.

[@fay-amieaspen6046]

Thanks so much Paul, another great video. 👍

[@jpendowski7503]

Thank you Paul for a sympathetic and professional delivery of this tragic event. Most people think more money is a good thing, however this is further proof that no matter when, money can make people monsters. Cheers from the Midwest USA.

[@fortheearth]

Thanks for posting this sad story about Graham.

[@fortheearth]

Sorry...Graeme

[@sarafleming9893]

Thank you once again for your excellent work. Greatly appreciated! 😊

[@WellINever]

Thank you so much for your kind words and generosity, Sara! 🙏😊

[@rubyw4013]

I’m so glad that you posted about this case and also Australian crime! This case is notorious in Australia’s crime history!

[@ramblingrob4693]

Excellent, I was gripped to the speaker for that one.

[@uddelhexe3545]

I always enjoy listening to your voice. It is relaxing and interesting at the same time.

[@DravenGal]

Paul, you're one of my favorite storytellers, you and Mr. Ballen are my top two! Your voice is so smooth and soothing, even when telling such tragic stories. I hope you have a great holiday season!

[@Boadicea17]

You have a calm and gentle but forthright voice, perfectly suited to tell stories, although lots are very tragic but still fascinating and captivating 🥺

[@NanaBren]

Hello Paul, just a line to thank you for another fine video. In America, several states allow winners to remain anonymous. I feel sadness that this windfall led to the death of the child. I hope that he didn’t suffer. The parents never recover from losing a child, especially when violence is involved. I’m a bereaved parent myself and my heart goes out to them. ❤😢

[@kellydalstok8900]

In The Netherlands the identity of winners is protected in all but one lottery. People who win over a certain amount get appointed an adviser to help them deal with their sudden wealth too. Whether they take the advice to heart is still up to them.

[@taniaelliott4078]

I'm surprised it's not everywhere that people are allowed to be anonymous now. Imagine how much they get bothered by random people. Everyone in Australia stays anonymous now unless they choose to come forward, though they often give a vague description. Locality and general age/occupation.

[@NanaBren]

I really believe that Australia has the right idea. So many people prey on the winners that often within 5 years they are broke again. Personally, I’d call a lawyer to go with me to get the check. The best solution here would be to put it into a trust.

[@mingiwoo]

im so happy I found this channel I've been in hospital for a while and still got about a week left so I am about to binge your videos!

[@AnnieNelson-m4j]

I so enjoy this gentleman's voice. Never judgemental, the straightforward telling keeps interest. So glad to have found this channel.

[@anthonysokolsky6210]

In the unlikely event of winning the lottery I would never go public! There are some rather nasty twisted people amongst the general public!

[@strathruncie]

The identity protection procedure mentioned at 15:50 was often little more than a checkbox on the ticket, labelled 'NFP' (Not For Publication). Not everyone would tick it, though.

[@Bu89]

Great video! Always a pleasure whenever the team uploads; keep it up. 🙌

[@rosemaryfranzese317]

Bradley was apparently beaten up by other inmates forcing the prison authorities to keep him separate. The police suspected that Bradley’s wife may have had some involvement in the crime but couldn’t prove it and Bradley always denied it. It seems he always intended to kill Graeme knowing the child could identify him, that is beyond despicable. Thank for the information about Bazil Thorne, I really feel for him and his family. This crime may have inspired the low budget British B movie, Do you recognise this voice (1964) which starred Hollywood star Dan Duryea and Italian actress Isa Miranda, the details differ and the setting is Bristol England but the central idea has some silarities. This is a tragic case and a warning about how dangerous envy and greed can be

[@GRMLS5]

I was 5 at the time, Mum used to tell me about the poor boy and the kidnapping in my late teens. I never forgot his name..Graeme Thorne. So very sad.

[@petercarney56]

thanks paul for another great video

[@nyxspiritsong5557]

In the US, several states will allow you to remain anonymous if you win the lottery. I think it should be allowed everywhere. As another commenter said, too many crazies of there.

[@tishfox2858]

Oh poor little lad😪This is sooo tragic.Bless his poor family.🙏💜

[@marykrueger6039]

You have such a great way of telling a story. Love your channel and all your stories. Keep up the great work Sir Paul.

[@acaciablossom558]

I cannot stand how evil human beings can be. The series of mental self justifications that these demons go through to justify themselves is equally sobering. It’s not just shocking or disgusting, it’s a warning to control your thought. Every single one of us can be this evil if we let our thoughts go that direction. Be the master of your own mind, it controls the course of your life.

[@chriscody1761]

This Murdering Scum shouldn't have had the luxury of protective segregation in the jail...the Scum denied wee Graeme any protection. The Scum got to play tennis while wee Graeme probably never got the chance to play tennis, and his family grieved all their lives for him. 😢

[@acaciablossom558]

@@chriscody1761 i agree. it is truly appalling to any decent human being.

[@Flamsterette]

Thank you for the upload, Paul. I look forward to this one.

[@SecretWars98]

I just wanted to say how much I enjoy listening to your stories. I love your whole demeanor from the way you talk, to your in depth research, & of course the way you speak about each case so respectfully. Cheers to you & your team! ❤

[@jstringfellow1961]

What an incredibly sad story to think you're going to be able to change life and circumstances for your kids and family, only to have one stolen from you. Any good parent would have gladly paid the ransom. I wonder why the man felt he needed to kill the boy; perhaps he thought he could recognize him. I hate this story because it has been repeated over and over again by others and for less reason. It's just too sad how we treat each other. Jesus will not forget.

[@davidparris7167]

This tragic story pops into my head periodically over the years especially if the Sydney Opera House appears as an item on TV. I was a 13 yo at the time, delivering newspapers after school and remember reading the headlines of this sad and sorry tale of kidnapping and murder which was an extremely rare crime.

[@karenvanwyk5307]

Thank goodness my parents drummed into our heads NEVER to take sweets or lifts from anyone unless they had given us permission

[@galvaceci6498]

Thank you Paul, poor family 😮😢

[@annhale6164]

Heartbreaking. Bless him. RIP Graeme Thorne

[@pamorama]

What a sad story.

[@DeborahT-c2s]

16:48 How awful. I will never understand how anyone can hurt another for their own gain… especially an innocent child.

[@dayziecakes]

Another wonderful video as always :) FYI there's a subtitle at 4:24 which was probably from an earlier edit that you might want to snip out :) I can remove this comment before the video is posted to non-members if you'd like! Thank you

[@WellINever]

Good spot! All sorted now. Thank you 😊

[@two_tier_gary_rumain]

Clontarf is nowhere near Bondi. It's on the north side of the harbour, past Mosman, near the Spit Junction.

[@davidhollingdale5408]

What a ghastly individual. A true psychopath .. a incredibly stupid...and such a coward he couldn't even complete his plan. An entire family's lives destroyed..for no reason whatsoever. 💔

[@kellydalstok8900]

Two families. His own as well.

[@davidhollingdale5408]

@@kellydalstok8900 I stand corrected; we can only hope his wife found someone worthy of her..⚘

[@MinaOmega]

That poor baby! Such a trusting little boy. Death should never come at the hands of another. But especially the death of a child. I know attitudes have changed. But a child is still precious. Even if their own parents don't understand it, a child is still precious. He had no right to do what he did. And he had every right to be put in with general prison population so they could have handled this much earlier.

[@ann7882]

Thanks!

[@Naught359]

Fleshy Pro was the ad I got for this video's start. Interesting.

[@pamelajanewade938]

I am Australian i do remember hearing about this gruesome murder about the young boy it was Horrendous. All winners are anominious now and that's how it should be as one doesn't know what evil people are around. Thank you Paul for this video...... So very sad.

[@nickgov66]

Anonymous.

[@challenger7424]

So sad

[@mikenixon2401]

Sad but interesting story. It is nice to know that this led to laws protecting others.

[@MichaelSmith-mc8bd]

What a terrible story. . Brilliantly told! . . I actually have the ships plaque from the SS Himalaya, the ship Bradley escaped to London on.

[@XmarkedSpot]

4:46 as did you 😅 Hungarian is phonetically consistent, remarkably so - yet there are a select few letter combinations with which just about everybody non-Hungarian struggles. I for one chose to go by Thomas instead of Tamás for the very same reason, sigh. EDIT his name would be pronounced something like "esht-van bar-ah-nja-e", given how nigh random English phonetics is I doubt that this will help any if at all.

[@faithsaffioti5602]

I remember when this happened. I was 8 years old.

[@kerriemccoy1647]

The newspapers printed their address & that is how he knew where they lived. After the boys murder they changed the lottery laws, so that you can be anonymise winner or your name made public.

[@kellydalstok8900]

I also think it’s disgusting that suspects of a crime are outed to the media in some (many?) countries. Many innocent people’s lives were ruined this way, whether they were suspected unjustly or whether they are the suspect’s family.

[@devodootie]

You’re a master storyteller!! 😊

[@AnnaAnna-uc2ff]

Thank you.

[@rodeastell3615]

A sad and tragic story. A young boy who would have been about my age now had his life stolen by a monster.

[@Another_taco.Yes_please]

Very sad his family was so happy one day to be less cash strapped and then to lose their son soon after. Jealousy is evil.

[@davidpowell6098]

It's appalling that some people value money more than life, it must be an addiction .

[@skwervin1]

Prisoners have a hatred of anyone who hurts or kills children. I had heard of this, I was only a child myself at the time, and as a mother, I feel blinding rage towards someone who would do such a thing. Now, the only information released is that the ticket was purchased at a newsagent in suburb X, or possibly it was a syndicate from a factory or a single mother in suburb Y. No names. No occupations.

[@YuBeace]

In my country, there is a popular lottery that shows the results on TV... right in the middle of one of their TV-shows. The thing is, they'll literally knock on the door of the grand-prize winner to congratulate them. On TV. Their face. The money they won. And their literal home. All shown on television. Uhhhhhh yeah. Ok. Yea. No. No thank you. No thank you!!!

[@kellydalstok8900]

I don’t play in that kind of lottery just for that reason.

[@elishajones1286]

Some states in the USA allow lottery winners to claim anonymously...there is wisdom in why this is.

[@TheCandiceWang]

Happy Thanksgiving, Well, I Never! I know it's not 🦃🍗 Day for you, but wanted to wish it anyway! Cheers 🍖

[@flickpad]

Weird that details such as the conversation between Bradley and Graeme are known. This information can only have come from the killer and it doesn't help his case in the slightest, so you have to wonder why he revealed it.

[@JAFFATYREE--CHANNEL--DELETED]

Anyone remember the Opera House roof being a differ6ent shape to what it is now.??.. i personally remember it to be not the same shape it is now.??. as in the Mandela Effect.. it was a lot smoother and had a wire walk on the outside to the top as a tourist attraction.. yeh.. i know crazy..

[@xaraxania]

poor little boy, no amount of money was worth that. Poor thorne family.

[@Scrinwaipwr]

Such a pointless murder. How did Bradley think making the Thornes' life worse would at all improve his own?

[@rolfsinkgraven]

Poor boy.