How CARRIED Are You in Tekken 8?

[@averysatterlee5464]

Playing ranked lately just feels like "Nina, feng, jun. Nina, feng, jun. Nina, feng, jun." With kings and dragunovs sprinkled here and there

[@stimihendrix3404]

i wish, all ive gotten are “alisa, dragunov, king” with the occasional bryan or kuma😭

[@averysatterlee5464]

@stimihendrix3404 bro you do NOT want to fight feng. I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy

[@stimihendrix3404]

@@averysatterlee5464 i enjoy fighting feng😭his lows are easy for me to predict

[@averysatterlee5464]

@stimihendrix3404 i cant break his command grab to save my life and every feng i ever fight spams it

[@Kidsusanoo121]

For me it’s dragunov, king, and recently Alisa

[@SvenHolgersson]

As a Steve main I'm just here for validation

[@LotusAsakura]

don't worry, most of the other commenters are as well LOL

[@ixojoh1445]

counter hit kings rejoice

[@veambeam]

As the worst steve main I feel better about myself

[@SWAGG-bg7yb]

Yup

[@LightsStudios]

It's not just me, nice

[@itz_arrchie]

My man is out here cooking Dragunov and Afro

[@LotusAsakura]

Why y'all always make these videos about Afro LMFAOOO.

[@mamamia5905]

@@LotusAsakurait’s honestly just funny to compare since that’s the character you told him to play 😂

[@arpadszabo661]

@@LotusAsakura Afro talking about how he’s losing matches because he plays Drag, on stream, is not doing him any favor lmao

[@suvid9490]

@@LotusAsakura because you cooking him, he be complaining about how hard this game is playing drag, and you out here calling drag easy and flowchart heavy.

[@thefool8641]

@@LotusAsakura Drag still requires fundies and matchup knowledge of his opponents, and needs to use quite a lot of his moves to be good. He has good frames and insane damage, but you cant cheese with him like everyone else, he still kinda honest character at high level, and easily punished with movement. Drag is a mix of earned it but has insane frames/damage. Only good players can abuse him properly.

[@SmoothAsFelt]

Hearing Lotus say Asuka is working harder than most after hearing TheMainMan rant about Asuka for weeks is hilariously dissonant

[@ragnarok7452]

He dislikes most female characters so he is biased.

[@irv_n3373]

​@ragnarok7452 dude has been playing tekken at a high level for years. Even though he be complaining obsessively he ain't talking out of his ass. No Asuka I have played against have any fundamentals they literally just mash and they have a parry that has the biggest active windows which they spam as thier only form of defense

[@ragnarok7452]

@@irv_n3373 Well that's europe region, where stuff like b3+4 string works for Alisa, alley kicks at blue ranks and all that. And Chloe doing cali roll without mixup and getting to what? Tekken God Prime ranks. People there I have fought are usually mashers. Asuka has good tools to counter mash, which would allow her to mash herself. So yeah, I could see that. But then again it is fault of aggressive people.

[@ragnarok7452]

@@hermankermit-warm1121 Which region do you play and what is the playstyle there upto that rank?

[@rofltrolflyingfish]

@@irv_n3373 Being an Asuka player myself, I just love the mirrors. Truth is once you reach red ranks and higher, Asuka's glaring issues become apparent and creativity becomes essential as her basic tools have awful frame data and properties, her movement is some of the worst in the game, and her drip got nerfed to hell since tekken 5 (MOST IMPORTANT) Does she carry you through low ranks? Absolutely but when she hits that wall where people either really know their own character or have fought enough scrub Asukas to know how to deal with her strings and parries, it becomes very difficult to play the game at all.

[@dennisleh485]

I know this comment will look hella biased cuz of my Kazuya pfp, but hear me out. The thing you said about new Kazuya players only learning movement, EWGF, etc. and ignoring every other aspect of the game is super true and it reflects in the win rate statistics for mighty ruler and above. Meaning the stats say that if you dont have the fundamentals, the character will not do it for you. That means Kazuya is statisticaly the least carried character. And that stands seperated from your own grudge towards Kazuya players. (this is not a hate comment, i just want to make this clear.)

[@kennedymensah6270]

You know what. You’re right kazuya player

[@LotusAsakura]

I think this is a very good point actually.

[@Provesadark7]

Agreed

[@teamguapogames]

Haven't played the game in weeks, but when I was grinding ranked I never saw any low rank (red and below) Kazuyas using electrics or wave dash at all.

[@ultimate8948]

I know afro GOTTA be feeling some way after seeing this thumbnail. Mans last video was him just being in purgatory in red rank LOL

[@djfusionkotb]

What’s crazy Lotus suggests him to play Drag lol

[@mozeyad4573]

as a Shaheen main, it doesn’t even matter if you’re opponent doesn’t know the matchup, because as soon as you duck to hit the slide you’re gonna get hop kicked, after that you better rely on your fundamentals or you’re fucked.

[@latto101]

Ahhh another shaheen main. 2 of 10… I feel your pain my friend.

[@majones117]

My people! I feel anytime you go up against an aggressive character it can be really hard to get any offense going with Shaheen unless you have good matchup knowledge or get lucky. It does feel great to get wall pressure on somebody with his new charge move and f2 3

[@WulfLovelace]

Felt

[@Djphantom315]

At low ranks maybe, hop kicking is too risky at higher levels.

[@ragnarok7452]

A little bit of knowledge is still needed imo.

[@kennecrx4373]

Saying asuka has to work is fucking CRAZYYYYYY. She is easily in gimmicks or easy mash. Just because she's a weaker jun doesn't change that.

[@DJKmoneydog]

I'm saying cuz how tf is she working harder than kazuya or jin 🤣

[@8minato]

@@DJKmoneydog 0/10 tekken takes 10/10 content🤣

[@idontwant2beasoldiermama241]

​@@DJKmoneydog 1 electric takes way more skill than anything in her move list or play style.

[@Yunglex313]

You can say all that, but what does Asuka have that is really unfair? What crazy as high damage combo does she have that easily strings together and easily takes more than half lifebar and doesn't require rage or Heat to use? Yes all her strings are easy, but her normals are not super fast and she is primarily defensive character in a offense prioritizing game. I may not be the best Asuka player, hell that probably proves the point, because I have to work harder to get in, I have use more to get my damage, I have be very picky and choosy with my counters to get to take my turn. If the question is which characters carry most, it ain't Asuka because you are not immediately rewarded for learning how to play her.

[@Bad4bizbrad]

@@Yunglex313I agree with you. She’s definitely not unga-bunga and requires you to use your brain. I’m a new Asuka player and really enjoying the character. Currently stuck at Tenryu. I’ve hit a plateau. I will say, I understand that my losses are a fault of my own. Whenever I lose I don’t feel cheated. Well, unless I’m going up against a King player (yikes). Like you said, she’s a defensive character in an offensive game. With that said though she has some great counter moves if you can get a read on your opponent and know the gaps in your opponents strings.

[@octo3167]

Jin in "earned it" is the most clown take I've seen in a while

[@asad_ae]

why not try him yourself?

[@LorDReaLLeR]

@@asad_ae He cannot because he does know how hard it is to maintain ewhf pressure/-14 launch punish. He just talks shit because he gets demolished by Jin players

[@chinikery2590]

As a jin main you speak truth👍​@@LorDReaLLeR

[@SaintDyl]

Skill issue

[@octo3167]

@@LorDReaLLeR Soo hard yeah. Especially in heat ;) Why bother just spam d2 and ff2 like the rest

[@josephdelvin7771]

First time playing tekken, I picked Steve as my main. It took me 5 weeks to get to red ranks, switch to Feng. Took me 2 days to get red ranked. I only know two combos, I just used and abused his low pokes. Feng is super easy lmao.

[@mystermothman3092]

Tekken 8 is my first tekken and Steve is my first character lmao. Steve mains rise up

[@sauce.k]

I remember two weeks ago when Lotus said "Some of these characters got players thinking they're better than they actually are. Im looking at you Draganov players." And this was like 2-3 days after training Afro. Highkey comes off like he's actively tryna throw shade on Afro lmaaao

[@lukinhassilvasilva]

As a Reina main I can confirm, in a low to intermidian level she is pretty brain dead, but as soon you go up at the ranked leader you need to know how to wave dash and electric. I fooought a lot of Reinas that only do f,f, 2 sen and after you begging to SS them, they don't know what to do.

[@CrackedPropane]

Bro I just learned how to wave dash and it changed everything I ranked up twice not perfectly but still

[@bignoob2726]

I kinda just assumed that anyone who goes online to play ranked with a Mishima can wave dash 😂

[@SSRTruth]

As a law player, I have to agree with lotus. It gets harder to open people up the higher you go in ranked. So the dumb options come out 😂

[@riddick729]

I agree. As a Law player it is easy to start and have fun. As you develop, if you get good enough, you can do some incredible things.

[@519sasuke]

@@riddick729facts I’d say start using the nunchuck and the slide, that’s what I use to get openings

[@pho3n1xr1sing]

​@@519sasukethe slide all day from about garyu onward its just frame traps and slides

[@QuimZangui]

Raven is in the right place, he is a little like Hwoarang, the higher the level the more difficult it is to play with him, his game plan is to condition the opponent, and doing this at a high level is not easy at all, a lot of attacks he uses don't give him a real advantage, he plays a lot in reading what the opponent is going to do before or after his attack, so having a good read and timing ability is essential for this character, and doing this in high level where everyone knows the match-up is not easy at all

[@DavidLucian]

My mains in Tekken are Raven(I mainly use Raven because he resemble Naruto characters in his unorthodox fighting style approach and because he's very unique and authentic, he's my trump card back from T5) and I admit it that If you don't adapt to his matchup he can definitely be annoying to fight against him. Hwoarang and Jin( these two are like the symbol of Yin&Yang☯️ in my eyes, they were my mains when I was starting to play Tekken 3 for the first time many many years ago, I also like it to use Eddy Gordo as well because of his Capoeira style of fighting). My List of annoying characters that I don't like to encounter/face are: Jun, Victor, Azucena, Dragunov, Xiaoyu, King, Devil Jin, Reina(sometimes), Lars Leo, Bryan(sometimes), Yoshimitsu, Feng, Jack8, Nina, Alisa and Lili. So almost the entire roster I know... 🤷🏻‍♂️😅🙆🏻‍♂️✌️

[@SableGhostYT]

Afro is in shambles rn

[@SmoothAsFelt]

I think the biggest issue with Yoshi and Xiaoyu (other than AOP being invincible) is that they are characters designed around having really oppressive mixups and setups, but their combo damage has been brought up to match everyone else if not surpass them in Tekken 8. So now you have two characters with insane neutral and ability to reset combos, but their combos still hit just as hard as everyone else and they get to keep all their strengths while getting rid of their "weaknesses." Then you have Steve who just... has good neutral and a lot of safe buttons but like... everyone has good neutral and safe buttons in T8, and Steve can't punish even normally launchable moves well

[@VarsityAthlete04]

And still i lose to Steve every time

[@ninjakame1553]

Lol the Asuka description is spot on. I main her and when I get blown up by a Jun I go "why aren't I playing that?" XD

[@Bad4bizbrad]

It’s a struggle out here lol

[@ajgxld]

I've been playing asuka since 5 but I had to give her up for the original model 😂

[@orhblin]

I play Reina and Asuka, and yeah electrics used in actual fights eludes me still xD Reina has some very easy strings and a bunch of solid options that are easy to get tempted by, but the character will cut you off at the knee when you start getting too predicable as people grow wise to her antics very fast. I will say that playing her comes with the disadvantage that she's popular, people see her a lot so they know a bunch of her moves and what to watch out for.

[@StriderZessei]

Reminds me of Roy in Smash.

[@NightShiftFM]

As a dragunov main since tekken 7. I see no problem with my boy getting some shine🙂

[@uncleelroy2483]

real

[@DEATHPALLYZ]

Theres some shine and then theres buntil he got nerfed.

[@NightShiftFM]

@@DEATHPALLYZthat’ll separate the reals from the fakes. I’m sure once he gets nerfed a lot of people will drop him

[@LotusAsakura]

Ay that fella was top tier for a cool minute in that game too.

[@josephcooper4866]

@@LotusAsakuraye, but we also had to deal with him being trash for like 5 years

[@Alex-Omega]

Its funny how everyon was going nuts about Jin in the beta because hes so "broken" and now hes actually just "solid" at its best

[@kingenfuuken]

Asuka working harder than most? Thats comedy

[@Hachijo3GS]

Right!

[@Faceless_one_]

Somebody doesn’t block

[@beartheburden4134]

@@Faceless_one_Do you think Asuka is a hard character to use honestly?

[@Faceless_one_]

@@beartheburden4134 I never said that but she definitely has to try harder then most characters to actually win a round. Easy to play character ≠ easy to win with

[@InnerTriggerer]

Just Because you have no Idea how to fight her it's does not mean she easy. Her tools are very bad and limited, good Asuka players need to do extra work just so they can utilized her key moves. She feel so hard to fight against but feel much harder to play as. And NO I am not Asuka main not even play her but I did labs rather than go in blind and call everyone out side my main as easy/braindead.

[@c.c.anubis]

Well, my only opinion is that Xiaoyu deserves a tier of her own simply because you need 5 PHDs to get her to the point where she "plays the game for you", you can't just pick her up and do all the setups and things that allow her to carry. I'm speaking this from first hand experience as I tried to learn her.

[@bubbleffs]

People are just salty, you can't put Xiaoyu and Jun or King in the same sentence.

[@spencerl.9859]

I think he just sees them in upper ranks and gets knowledged checked HARD. Super weird seeing a character with four very different stances that you have to learn to be decent being put in "plays the game for you".

[@carlogiovanni]

Completely agree 👏

[@carlogiovanni]

I don’t know what he meant by she’s a Mickey Mouse character too, she’s def not. She’s been strong in the game since early Tekken and she is known to be technical and hard to pick up

[@8minato]

The fact that kazuya is in anything other than your working the hardest in the game is insane🤣

[@Hachijo3GS]

Exactly what I’m saying

[@Sebest-fs3xu]

Ima say it Steve has a way harder entry than kazuya online.and I’m a Bryan main.

[@GracefulEloquence]

Are you stupid?

[@p-brane8251]

The win rates say it all. If you play Kaz you are actively handicapping yourself.

[@8minato]

@@Sebest-fs3xu Ii I shouldn’t have said working the hardest I should’ve said one of the hardest working.

[@King.Sheshbazzar]

Lee and Kazuya are definitely working harder than most. Lee’s lows are slow and very minus on block and even minus on hit, his execution needed to maximize his punishment requires loads of practice, and his just frames are hard to pull off consistently.

[@SSnowfall]

I'd agree with Reina if her winrate wasn't the worst by a landslide. It's more like people are carrying her downwards away from her potential

[@dtp_drip2659]

Good try but no lol

[@nx47]

If you play reina like a mishima then yea but no doubt 95% of people play her like a gimmicky waifu with her rolls and evasion tools

[@juicyjewbjewbs5595]

Definitely, at the higher levels I find Reina a nightmare to face off with, even as an Azu player. Much of her strings are safe if they know when to cancel it, and her toolkit is so much more expansive than most.

[@Vampnyr]

​@juicyjewbjewbs5595 As an "Azu player". Yeah opinion disregarded.

[@juicyjewbjewbs5595]

@@Vampnyr 😂

[@myquanmiller4081]

As a Yoshi secondary, I can confirm I’m gonna be flipping/spinning around and kicking you into the heavens every chance I get

[@Fireslayer7011]

Tekken 8 is my first real fighting game that I'm taking seriously and to hear the slander of my character Xiaoyu makes me feel so sad because I still be struggling with her 😅. Side note: Love learning how to play Tekken 8 from You, PhiDX, and Kwiss

[@kennedymensah6270]

Nah ngl the hate is overblown for content. They talk shit but EVERYONE struggles on the same things at the same ranks. Some more or less than others but still dw about being “carried” just play and laugh at the pluggers

[@Fireslayer7011]

​@@kennedymensah6270 You're right the pluggers are crazy.😅 But I'm still having fun and I will for a long time.

[@LotusAsakura]

LOL it's all jokes man. You should always play who you want no matter what because at the end of the day people will hate at time regardless of what you play so you may as well pick someone you like. Also we all learn at our own pace. You're only in competition with yourself. Remember that ~ thanks very much for the comment!

[@rafaellala4354]

As a Jack Main I agree with your opinion with him being able to dominate lower Ranks with random stuff, but with him not having a low that launches or does more than 20 damage and not having a string that is spammable, i dont believe he belongs in the easy to mash with category

[@AbsolutelyAbsurDDD]

Tekken is too hard to be carried by anymore than a division or two. Whatever rank you are, with whatever character, be proud of where you are.

[@8minato]

Absolutely not true

[@kennedymensah6270]

@@8minatonah it’s absolutely true let’s be real tekken is just hard asl. Litterally everyone can 2 touch you so if you don’t learn what you’re doing overall. Some characters have it easier for sure but you’re still good at the game regardless

[@kennedymensah6270]

@@8minatoare we just gonna act like even Leroy if you don’t study will absolutely mix you to oblivion

[@Roy-rk3qz]

Ah so you must be a Victor main?

[@kennedymensah6270]

nah honestly most characters but him but in my experience every character has bullshit except kazuya but even then electrics are just harder bullshit. regardless of who you pllay tekken is so hard that no character can carry you past blocking, teching throws, getup kicks, movement, etc. like if that wasnt the case then we just wouldn't see victor , drag, jun etc in low ranks if they've played for more than 5 minutes. a ruler drag and a assailent drag are two different beasts entirely. a fujin xiayu is order of magnitude better than a garyu xiayu. ill def say some have it easier than others but litterally any high level player will tell you that you still have to learn tekken the game@@Roy-rk3qz

[@datguy6745]

i agree with a lot of this, but goddamn if Jin mains arent carried beyond belief in this game, ESPECIALLY if they have ANY fundamentals.

[@andrepoe97]

I can see that. I’ve been playing Jin since Tk5. And I swear some of the Jins I face today, CARRIED especially with d2. Most ppl on tk8 don’t have fundamentals

[@datguy6745]

@@andrepoe97i see the same as a yoshi main. People call him so gimicky but wait till you vs me or any other yoshi with fundamentals, thats a whole other ballgame. And before flash range nerf, man i was pissed off facing flash spamming yoshis xD It was literally braindead. Im actually happy about the nerf.

[@kenny_green5962]

How are they carried when Jin is really one of the honest characters compared to the rest of the cast

[@datguy6745]

@@kenny_green5962 D2 FF2

[@AntonioGonzalez-ht5ck]

Almost all of the good moves they gave jin are minus on block, d2 is very minus at-14 if i remember correctly. If a player has fundamentals and you lose that’s actually a skill issue. As a jin main, his most overtuned move is ff2.

[@Whales1992]

As an Alisa player in Mighty Ruler rank, I've really not had to struggle too much to get there. A lot of people have no idea how to play against her, and the funniest thing is that every other Alisa player i've met has had their own unique twist and style to the character, which is completely unlike every other character in the game. Her weird gimmicky low/high unblockables etc. playstyle just means everyone plays her differently which makes it very difficult for people to get used to playing against her since 2 alisa players will use a completely different kit/style of combos. Definitely an easy character to climb with.

[@MitchMighty253]

Hwoarang plays the game for you bro, he easy af to pick up but everyone hits a wall cause of fundamentals but you can get a decent rank by mashing with him

[@crystaleater2581]

As a Reina main I think that once you get to a certain level you do have to wavedash and electric but tbh her game plan of ff2 into sentai and hell sweep into heavens wrath can carry pretty hard.

[@KaibaKaioh]

saying bryan is easy to mash with is insane play bryan and good luck getting to mighty ruler honestly

[@ragnarok7452]

Add lagswitch and he becomes one. Most Bryan players I met so far do that.

[@yellowscarlightningscream8347]

Most Bryans are mashers because all Bryans strings end with Counter Hit launchers so they all complete their 3 to 4 hit strings

[@Skizzy03]

He’s just saying weird shit for interaction bait.

[@KaibaKaioh]

Im serious, play bryan in ranked for a few days and gl to you. I assume youre below red rank with that comment so try and get garyu with bryan@@yellowscarlightningscream8347

[@irv_n3373]

​​@@yellowscarlightningscream8347I'm a bryan main and trust me mashing gets you blown up. Yes It can work at times but it's literally pure luck because you have to actually time your counters. You can get free wins at super low levels but even intermediate like red ranks you will hit a wall unless you get good with baiting for counters and timing. He is 100% earned it or working harder than most tier

[@mudkippug]

My goal is to be able to PLAY every character by the end, not high level except with a few I truly love but be able to get high red low purple with the whole cast

[@Bad4bizbrad]

You got this bro

[@SpiralDemonic]

haha what a fun vid. Some of the characters placements i agree with and others i disagree but your takes where fun. "When he starts flipping and spinning, wheeling and dealing" I lost it 🤣

[@Tkyoking]

As a Reina main I can confirm my electrics don’t come out at all I’m trying tho

[@americashero55987854]

no literally bro then when im not expecting it to come out it wants to 😭

[@alsosprachzarathustra4756]

Bruh I SWEAR! I’ve been looking up videos, guides, etc. then hoping to learn from other Reina’s I fight and they look even more lost than I am! Maybe we ARE getting carried.

[@LotusAsakura]

LOL it's okay. Keep practicing. You'll get them down eventually. One day I'll also be consistent with Hwoarangs Just Frame Skyrocket!

[@kennedymensah6270]

@@alsosprachzarathustra4756lmao I promise you aren’t carried for not ahavibg electrics

[@slimwhopper]

I literally stopped playing with her cause she was making me feel like poo

[@SS_Sin_Of_Pride]

Kazuya is easily the hardest character in the game and the rank win rate statistics proves this. At Mighty Ruler and above Kazuya has the worst rank win rate. Even at all skill level he's like bottom 5 win rate.

[@LotusAsakura]

If Kazuya players were so good at fundamentals like they claim they are then that should probably carry them higher than Mighty Ruler cus I promise the majority of players in purple don't have fundamentals for the most part. Still a lot of strings, whiffs and lack of movement/punishment lol.

[@SS_Sin_Of_Pride]

@@LotusAsakuraI said Mighty ruler and above. So from Mighty to God of Destruction he still has the worst win rate. Not just purples lol. The problem here is not fundamentals. Its the fact that you have to play against characters that are much better and require 10% of the work. P.S Asuka in purple ranks has a better win rate. That character plays itself.

[@felipintao]

​​@@LotusAsakuraKazuya fundamentals tools are hard to use as well, no easy launch punishment, thrash jab, lacking poking, thrash tracking, he only survives by the threat of a 50/50 or a CH cause his universal tools are completely absense, there are far more stronger fundamental tools on other characters, like Leo, Feng or Jin, Kazuya its kinda shit in this game tbh

[@felipintao]

And putting Asuka in the same tier as Steve is just amazing, bruh 😂

[@kennedymensah6270]

@@LotusAsakuraI don’t even play kazuya but the thought of having to electric for a launch off rage art is objectively insane like and it’s non bufferable and FAST. Frame of reference most “average” electrics are like 17 frames and that’s hard asl. 15 is insane ESPECIALLY on pad in the real world you’re throwing 18-19 frame electrics on a good day. Kazuya having to time an electric in a 2 frame window just to punish something that everybody else just d2’s makes him so much harder I don’t even play him and I know his ass is not carried in the slightest

[@Tai182]

I think Xiaoyu is more of a gimmick char than plays it for you lol. I feel like most stance characters are gimmick characters.

[@vJDiZZ]

Can confirm Reina is easy to learn on a basic level, but is more of a scrub killer than truly carried. Her key moves are easy to just Do, but you’ll get blown up by anyone with a minor amount of matchup knowledge if you start to abuse them. She’s all Knowledge checks

[@jasonsjungle]

I ain’t never met a king main who ain’t the chillest mofo in the room fr 🦍🪖

[@camtimmy9905]

18:50 that pizza ad at the top corner got me wanting pizza 😂

[@cephlo4933]

Maybe create a separate tier for Devil Jin like Dragunov, since I'd argue he isn't on the same bs as Xiayou and Jun, but has more going for him compared to Nina, Lars and Hworang. Also he's the case where he's a Mishima which is difficult to play, but once you know how to play him properly you can abuse his strengths.

[@yellowscarlightningscream8347]

Devil JIN in T8 is so BS

[@MisterBlackout]

Devil Jin: - Flies across the stage with an unsidesteppable heat smash that goes into his pressure - Tons of evasive escape options - When grounded can FLY up instantly mixing you up and getting his turn back - Only hellsweep in the game that leads to a full combo - A fast heatsmash grab and another flying unblockable grab that you have to be ready for - cancellable strings - High damage - Armor breaking charge attack that has a stepback and built in evasion This man is a street fighter character

[@heatguyg]

Thanks for validation on how I feel about the current state of the game. For a game with a large base roster it felt odd that I only ever encountered the same 9 characters on ladder

[@Plasmaghost1305]

As an asuka main I agree she really weak but I still enjoy playing her some of here moves need to safe and ill be happy with that

[@lennythesatan7747]

24:46 Thing about her, chainsaws aren't the only good thing about her. She likes to poke you around and play neutral. She has nice tools for it, like for example df4, db3, d3 (and is -3 if you space it well) and df1. Overall, she just loves to annoy you, chainsaws or not.

[@izunara5852]

Going through the ringer with Kazuya, loving everybit of it. . .

[@mariodude247]

A man of culture I see ( I heard the background music )

[@ifebamigbe404]

19:07 Damn Lotus, making afro look sorry out here. Mans just exposed afro into thinking hes red rank or higher. :(

[@ItsSolobtw]

As a Azuenca main I can see what your talking about and I actually appreciate your feedback on her

[@Hachijo3GS]

Ok then why does Kazuya have the lowest wr in the higher ranks? I’m pretty sure Kazuya earns it the most

[@adman1056]

Great video, entertaining. I think it's mostly fair, my oopnion (not that any wants it lol). I'd put lilli up one too easy to mash with, shaheen down to worker than most, jin up too easy to mash with (same reasoning for Bryan except jin is easier to use). And alisa down into easy to mash with (chainsaws are strong but that's all her offensive options really, if you take away a few frame traps she's bottom 5 in the game.

[@TheSkyrocketYT]

I feel like if I mash random shit with Lars and go flipping and dipping all over the place, I'm more likely to get hit than get the hit so I'd rather take my time and learn the fundementals instead.

[@randallmart92]

Yea only higher levels can he really be annoying. If you don't know what your doing he'll hit those slides and you'll get countered hard if you cant time into his slides and rolls etc.

[@Artryom]

Lars is one of those characters who should never be considered in the “mash” or the top tier, or even top tier at all, with how they have him now. Bro is so EZ to fight against, tougher the fight with but so much fun. Players who main him definitely find themselves attracted to the difficulty,

[@tiredasianzombie9120]

As a Hwa player in tekken god, i do agree to the placement. Trying to learn the stances and to use them at will without mashing can be hard. And many new players might have trouble matching up with a Hwa player. Gimmicks do get the players up to around red rank and hit that wall hard as whiff punish for Hwa is brutal XD

[@M0IVD0]

Hwa mashing flamingo pressure get you to blue forsure

[@XIII-TheBlackCat]

Putting Leo with Lili is wild af 😂

[@randallmart92]

Facts lol leo for me at least is hard to use imo.

[@slimwhopper]

Lili way harder than Leo

[@ExSoldier101]

​@@slimwhopper imagine? Haha

[@3939donne]

As a Lili main, I do agree that we're really not in the earned it tier nor easy to mash. This iteration of her in this game gave her more options to transition into her stances but at the same time is still plagued by her slow, predictable, and very punishable attacks. The only thing we're being carried at is her range, while still being linear in almost all of her moves, her movement, and also combo damage. All else, we got to work hard to keep opponents on their toes.

[@Fatdog22]

i feel like tekken is the one fighting game where you can’t really get carried too much by a character

[@Fatdog22]

unless you’re playing jun

[@kingaces35]

Yes and no if it wasn't for the heat gauge thing, then everyone would feel complete

[@Bad4bizbrad]

It boils down to character knowledge. There’s a solution to every problem in this game. It’s just that this game is so vast in the learning department. Steep learning curve but all the tools are there. You have to lab lab lab if you wanna get far in this game. It’s a forever learning experience.

[@kingaces35]

@Bad4bizbrad yea we get that we are talking about people who just picked up the game and just law mash there way to a lvl the really couldn't be at if they were Asuka or Steve that's the point of this list

[@SuperSaku1]

I have a hard time believing you're beyond Fujin and holding that opinion

[@bigsarge1982]

Xioyu and Feng are strong but to say they play for you but then not the same for devil Jin is crazy

[@bpmproductions5946]

Me and the other 3 shaheen mains are deeply offended

[@wonderman7166]

LowHigh, Sephiblack, AK, Ulsan, & Double would all be offended 🤬

[@AresLodin]

Seeing you put jin in earned it puts a smile on my face. I'm a Jin main since T3. To me, he's incredibly broken. Thats just my opinion. Wouldn't mind if they nerfed him but still. If they don't touch him I won't be mad lol

[@superblack898]

This is certainly A tier list of all time

[@dontedoestuff]

Nah I needed to hear this lmao. I’m a new player but longtime fan of tekken. King is my guy so I chose him as my main at launch but when I saw how broken he is I said “nah I don’t want that label tied to me in ranked” lol so now I play Steve and I’m hard stuck in yellow ranks

[@LotusAsakura]

Fuck allat. PLAY KING! Go out there and RKO someone!

[@dontedoestuff]

@@LotusAsakura but Steve is fun and I like knowing I earned my wins as few as they are lmao

[@randallmart92]

​@@LotusAsakurafacts lol i hate king myself but you play who ya like. Ive been playing devil jin and ive had people rage quit mid fight or not run back a fight half the time 😂 i only played one dude who was using Kazuya and i won a 3 set and then he folded me the next 3 lol I had to add him to my rivaly list. Wanna keep learning and growing in this game.

[@junglebook3063]

​@@dontedoestuffjust play who you want king. i'm ranking up devil jin cuz of a bet i made with a friend, he's busted but i don't mind cuz i already have multiple characters in higher ranks so it's all fun n games

[@dontedoestuff]

@@junglebook3063 it don’t even really matter cuz once Eddy drops im all over that lol

[@kingsynix7685]

This video was cooked the second Asuka. yes ASUKA! got put in the hardest tier😭

[@deadringer-cultofdeathratt8813]

20:42 no we’re just innocent starburst enjoyers 💀💀

[@pmg-fg3if]

Kazuya in the same ranking with Jin and lei is crazy. Ive been stuck in bottom red rank with kazuya for 2 weeks Jin I’m already in purple rank and he’s my 3rd character not even a secondary 😂.

[@MisterBlackout]

Mighty Ruler Kaz here, I played jin and hit tenryu in about an hour. With kaz it took days to get to ruler. With king it took a couple hours to hit ruler

[@Goobergoofington]

Yoshi main here, im tenryu so I'm aight at the game. We are very definitely carried by our weird bullshit but I'd say it's more for lowrank. He does have a Lotta execution heavy things and once you don't have the gimmicks he's not particularly strong i think. He has alot of trouble opening up turtle opponents just because of a lack of tools.

[@D.3.Z]

Gonna need you to go ahead and put Hwoarang one more up. Lol

[@_slyph]

Yeah I feel like Lars,nina and hwoarang should be one up because they’re similar to Jun, just spam string mixups and pray your opponent doesn’t down jab😂

[@nerooyeye2196]

​​@@_slyph maybe for nina and hwoarang(at low levels), but lars doesn't even have any spammable strings and alot of his stance stuff is minus so it was accurate of lotus to say that he's more carried by the opponents lack of match up knowledge.

[@TheMrb777]

He’s annoying. Not busted.

[@nerooyeye2196]

@@TheMrb777 exactly, some people make him sound like he's autoplay, but it's just lack of match up knowledge at lower ranks that helps low rank hwo players. He's actually way harder to play than most people think

[@Bestboymiles]

14:12 I love how much respect Lili players are getting in the community. She straight up can’t mash in later ranks. Unless the player is bad/or just doesn’t know the matchup. So you have to know how to use your side step and great punishment to there fullest.

[@SuperSikarlo]

As a Yoshi main, it's not easy to learn this stuff, unless you play Yoshi, don't speak on carrying. Yoshi is very high risk.

[@notsxnsei]

Not to talk of his high barrier of entry, if you don't know your match ups as Yoshi just call it a night man

[@1llsilk]

He just referring to scrub level players...

[@demongurrl13]

Tbf, us Yoshi mains could care less about wins... It's all about what crazy shit can I pull off this match. Am I right or am I right?

[@notsxnsei]

@@demongurrl13very fucking factual tbh

[@notsxnsei]

@@demongurrl13what do you play on, we might have to run a set

[@Megadeus0]

Just wanna say i love the lengthy fight game commentary vids man

[@jeremiahmorris60]

Since I'm late to Tekken I'm picking a character that plays the game for me with no shame🤣

[@Bad4bizbrad]

Do you bro. F whoever has an issue. There’s a solution to every problem in this game. It’s more balanced than people would like to admit. It’s just that, Tekken is a complex game with a plethora of moves and options happening in a match. Boils down to you and/or your opponents knowledge on the character you or them are faced.

[@ExSoldier101]

​@@Frankyhdhdhwhat rank are you?

[@Lockdownh]

DVJ main here, imma just say it, i don't think laser follow up after hellsweep for like 30%+ damage is necessary, but i'm glad to have it

[@Bad4bizbrad]

I can’t stand that move lmao

[@Maxaker]

I hear others say Asuka is the most carried char in the game

[@kingaces35]

That fing counter that's the ones crying about her. I'm that person

[@erk8520]

low lvl players are saying this lol. High purple + players don't fall for her shenanigans.

[@kingaces35]

@erk8520 yup I agree but T7 she was more a menace than she us now.

[@erk8520]

@@kingaces35 She was lol. Sadly in T8 Asuka (and Kazuya) are still playing T7 while others are playing T8 xD. She struggles in high ranks to hyper agro characters, so she has to stick to cancel mixups and scary 50-50s to stand a chance. Once I get Bushin, I'll prob just stick to Jun lol...

[@ragnarok7452]

Don't worry about them. They most likely a masher and Asuka just happens to counter them.

[@crazyswagg4376]

Pretty damn good list and opinions man

[@GoddamnILoveBison]

As someone playing Jin this game, I feel good. Especially cause I feel like he's secretly bullshit in this game lmao, dishonest as fuck.

[@DestroyedTheGame]

i don’t play jin or know much about him but ive felt he’s dishonest as well from times i’ve gone against him, why do you think he is?

[@Jamal.O]

Omen stance make me giggle.

[@Skizzy03]

@@DestroyedTheGame imo I hate d2. High crushing + on hit counter hit launching low. I know it’s not that bad but it’s just so annoying. Everything else about him is fine I guess. Except for his auto electrics lol.

[@christopherowens7182]

Bro on god this has to be the funniest and most wholesome tier lol keep doing your thing brodie

[@Phantom-ot2qb]

As a jin player I can confirm I have to earn my fights I’m not actually being serious it’s all jokes I still got much to learn

[@Flindo911]

Wouldnt be a mishima without the downplay

[@Oxsy.]

🧢🧢🧢

[@ScientologyHunter2]

I feel like you personally just struggle a lot with Reina players...factually she doesn´t carry anyone, her winrate is by far the worst across any skill level

[@LotusAsakura]

I'm actually pretty certain I win the majority of my matches against Reina players actually lol.

[@AtomAndRose]

Only the worst in low ranks, in advanced she's doing a bit better. There was a post on Reddit showing stats. TMM made a video on it 2 weeks ago.

[@kennedymensah6270]

@@AtomAndRoseshe’s still worse than asuka in those ranks lmao

[@aesonone]

@@AtomAndRose it has to be taken account that she was massively popular in the beginning so it's safe to assume many players have tried out the game using her and have skewed the win-loss statistics

[@lolingofgc]

This is my first ever tekken, i went straight to steve because i loved weaving and ducking. I had a sneak peak at everyone elses combos and shocked when i realised how easy they're compared to steve 😂

[@ItsYoriYo]

as a king player, I agree

[@owlflame]

So I fell in love with Leroy when he launched in the last game. Then he got nerfed and everyone was waiting for me to drop him… Then I found out he’s in 8 and I’ve been steadily climbing with him ever since. I love my Leroy. No one is taking this man from me

[@PhosHouseki]

2 mishimas on "the characters plays for you", but jin in ""you earned it" is so fucking funny lmaoo im at tenryu with kazu rn, switched from jin because of how undeserved and braindead all my wins felt, actual dog tierlist

[@BecomingYourIdeal]

Keep going with Jin trust me you’ll understand the only move that “carries” him is d2 edit: btw you just a tenryu you don’t even know the game yet

[@LotusAsakura]

someone's angy

[@PhosHouseki]

@@BecomingYourIdeal oh absolutely, but kazu took hours of work, jin i pretty much watched 1 or 2 guides, managed to rank up with out effort.

[@CG1337Noob]

It's cause this man baby copes knowledge check fails and downplays execution so he puts two Mishimas in high carried tier

[@BecomingYourIdeal]

@@PhosHouseki it depends on who you played for each also what rank was your Jin?

[@darrell1876]

As a lili main i can confidently say that she is literally in the middle, or probably the most ideal of a tekken character can be. She doesnt have a broken gimmick that allows you to abuse it but she can easily be mashed if you played her enough. Her low dmg in comparison too makes it even more stable for the evasive moves she has. In short, she's ideally mid.

[@Vampnyr]

Reina being a carry is hard cap. Especially considering she has the lowest winrate right now.

[@TheMrb777]

Man reina players really be downplaying the shit out of their character pointing to that wr. It doesn’t mean anything. You are 100% getting carried dawg 😭

[@Vampnyr]

@@TheMrb777 Objectively wrong

[@fullmetalmike5526]

This my first game I’m trying to actually get good at. Decided to main Jin cause always loved him from all the other games. ( except 6 ) I’m trying to really learn another character but have no idea who. I’m debating on Steve, xiaoyu, or even asuka

[@dtp_drip2659]

How does Ling play the game for you? She has 3 stances that you have to use for mixups to even be an option for you. And you literally can’t button mash in any of the stances.

[@AntonYatsu]

Oh just go watch some Mr.Croft’s videos! Obviously she carries him a lot. /s However, she only truly shines in capable hands. Ling can do some real dirt. In his recent 30m+ vid. he did some REALLY dirty stuff to some Hwoarangs. Even though I love her, her combo damage might be a bit too high for what she’s capable of. She can eat over 100hp with heat and there are refloat options for some of her combos. Her wall damage is devastating if applied properly. Her oki is still top notch. She truly is an S rank character, but if you’re an S rank player, she can be a triple S tier

[@momosart4]

Trying to hit Xiaoyu with anything other than a low or a tracking move will be your downfall. She's kinda hard i aint gonna lie but people wont hit you if you play Xiaoyu

[@AntonYatsu]

@@momosart4They still manage to hit her a lot when I play her, but it’s a skill issue, I won’t deny it🤣

[@mik0z474]

The amount of hours i spend in practice before i even started my first ranked game is insane (i main jin, almost tekken god now)

[@gman5812]

As a Jin main, this makes me feel better

[@ShadowThunder1234]

Do you do manual electrics?

[@gman5812]

I’m slowly getting better at it. I still suck at the game a bit, stuck in red ranks.

[@TheIslipfootball125]

His Bryan take is so true in this game. Snake eyes and added tools with universal oki Enders has taken the brain power out of my guy Mr. Fury

[@Flindo911]

Aint no way you put Jin that low

[@madrazproductions5776]

I beat a Jin who switched to spamming air combos in the new control scheme mid fight and i literally started victory growling lol

[@ShadowThunder1234]

Jin players are carried

[@marcusjones9084]

No, they're not. He's not an easy character to rank up with.

[@pancakes2726]

Try to wavedash then come back and say that nonsense

[@LotusAsakura]

you might be on to something..

[@ShadowThunder1234]

@@pancakes2726 you forget the part where he has easy ways to get electrics without needing to even do the input

[@ShadowThunder1234]

@@kamii-flow1293 yh that's literally all they're saying

[@w1nther930]

Thank you. Hwoarang is easy to mash with, yes. Hell, i won't deny his little mash strings have carried my ass to warrior. Still, once opponents can competently block, Hwoarang has a hard time unless you REALLY learn how to actually do strings with him that isn't just 4,4,4,4 and the other basic strings he has. Lower ranks just isn't used to his more snowball style of constantly trying to attack with strings, but if they don't know anything else than basic strings, they become so predictable

[@myquanmiller4081]

You talk about fundamentals a lot. I for one learned something when you were initially teaching Afro how to do basics with Drag. Would you be up for making a fundamentals video 👀 I know I definitely don’t have mine and learned a few combo strings

[@mrjingles6813]

Feng main for life, the other thing about feng though most people that play him are really good players. Haven't fought a bad feng yet.

[@c0wboys4life]

As someone who plays Paul some times his deathfist is definitely punishable except for when in heat people just don’t take the time out to see what their character can do to punish it lol

[@duskbladex]

counterargument for why asuka should be easy to mash with: 1.) she gets out of jail for free with panic moves in a game where people are always mashing 2.) shes only hard if her opponent knows how to keep her out and most people dont play the match up that way. they block (or not) and then throw out a random panic move. 3.) by your definition- you have an easy time with her and then you hit a wall. (when you get to the ranks where people have played that matchup for years.)

[@nathan24-_-2]

oh im a little surprised with Jin's placement, I thought he would be placed at least on easy to mash with or even gimmicks but yea you're kinda right. Even with moves like D2, F4, they're strong moves but I do find myself fundamentally playing the game more than just pressing buttons mindlessly. I haven't played that much ranked yet cuz I just got the game but playing against my friends, Im not really spamming any strings or anything and im actually paying attention to what theyre doing and how they think. Jin feels like a decently honest character

[@strawhatrore2072]

My bro! Do it again, but put the colours up and speculate how far the character will carry you haha. Because although I agree with you on Leo, I do believe he will EASILY carry you to Red, and that means your only a few days grinding away from finding enough reds you can cheese to get you into purple.

[@theveganpork3446]

I feel like what you said about hworang can be applied for a ton of characters (obviously) I feel the same way about Nina