Getting to grips with Mining in 3.19

[@Cherronova]

Literally been waiting for your take on mining loud guns. Your the mining guy 👍🏻

[@LoudGuns]

Thanks Cherronova 🙏

[@xxbeatleadxx]

​@matriumgaming8144same

[@davidherring1524]

💯

[@victor-ling]

These changes do sound really exciting! I really hope the meta does move towards non-explosive hauls as you mentioned. I agree, I think it would be awesome to go out on longer runs. I wonder if this would also facilitate the potential for scouting runs for multiplayer mining? Have someone out in a fast ship loaded with boxes to find big juicy rocks while a full MOLE crew handle the breaking the rocks and moving on to the next scouted location. I think that would be awesome fun!

[@evlkenevl2721]

Something that affects what they can do with laser heads, modules, etc. is server health. If the servers could be made stable, they could make the upper-tier components cost well above what they do now. This would give the low-mid components more of a purpose, seeing use while we grind creds for the pro-grade stuff.

[@andrewcoulthard-clark]

This was great! Has there been any new information on the new RSI mining ship?

[@circuitguy9750]

Thanks! Not only did you carve out a cool niche; I appreciate that you're sharing your findings with the community. I definitely saw the rushed videos that showed the new 'best' strategies. Your methodical, scientific approach is definitely needed.

[@Murasame13]

Bruh I just got a mole when 3.18 dropped.. haven't really been able to use it since 3.18 was (and still is) fairly unstable and hard to play. Now I gotta relearn everything? T_T Edit: Now that I have watched the video, this seems like a really good step in the right direction for mining. I hope this means the Orion is on the horizon though, I would love to have that big beast of a ship! :D

[@LoudGuns]

Well pretty much! It’s better though 😂

[@psychepeteschannel5500]

The problem is how often you get disconnected or catastrphically stuck or otherwise screwed... so I would never risk like an Hour on a run, because I would never complete half of them...

[@bloodyvanguard4052]

Nice summary of the changes. My main qustion would be: Is mining with a rental prospector going to be a viable way to work your way up to buying your own? Right now renting a prospector feels mostly like a trap to me.

[@Luciphell]

Especially when you go to rent one for three days and it charges you 980k!!

[@Tsudico]

With the ability to detach and swap components now, you can place other mining heads with sub components on a rented Prospector. Although you might need to know someone with a Prospector to get the purchased alternatives off of since until Freight Elevators are added there isn't a way to easily move things into and out of inventories.

[@LoudGuns]

@@Tsudico also just the arbor laser can do a lot now. Should at least turn a tidy profit with that solo after rental costs.

[@erasmuus]

Fantastic work. I look forward to your well researched guide to come. Take your time. Thank you for this.

[@TobiasHunt]

When you make your tables, please can you indicate which direction is positive and which is negative? Saying -30% is all well and good, but saying which way you want it to go (in the header) will help those of us that are stoopid. ;) Nice, informative video though. Thank you.

[@little-wytch]

There is one simple reason I will always prefer the Prospector over the MOLE. SC really hates my mouse wheel for some reason lol. It doesn't matter how gentle I am with it, sometimes it will adjust the laser power by 1% at a time, and sometimes it will jump it by 15-50% at a time. I find that I do a lot better by setting the power about where I need it and then varying my distance from the rock I'm cracking for finer control of the charge level. That's something you just can't do in a MOLE even with a good and responsive dedicated pilot.

[@RoxxSerm]

Best Mining Video I have ever seen. So I'm kinda excited to see what you do for a mini guide :)

[@addermoth]

Great work, been looking forward to hearing your thoughts.

[@LoudGuns]

Cheers Adder! Better delayed and detailed was my thinking!

[@dread3911]

Thanks for this breakdown, really interesting changes. Unfortunately, I haven’t had chance to get into the PTU with 3.19 yet. Has this release brought any other changes to ROC mining?

[@LoudGuns]

I haven’t honestly had a chance to check out roc mining yet, but I’ll get on it soon enough!

[@dchippie]

I've been waiting for your video , Thank you Boss 👍

[@LoudGuns]

Haha cheers Chippie - hopefully doesn’t disappoint 👍

[@karl___marx]

Are they gonna wipe all the auec this wipe? I was actually saving up for a mole for me and my mates to mine in.

[@LoudGuns]

No idea I’m afraid, but they haven’t hinted at it.

[@klebbe1]

Hmm, a question about 3.19 mining, have they fixed the airhumping the MOLE does without a pilot in the seat?

[@LoudGuns]

Definitely seemed a lot better but desync is highly dependent on servers, and PTU’s often have less stress than live ones.

[@klebbe1]

@@LoudGuns Oh, is it serverlag? Thought it was something else as I only se it in the MOLE

[@JDBriceProductions]

Mining feels far more challenging, just from what you've covered. I'm excited that mining is no longer all quantanium. I guess I should save up for a Prospector.

[@ManonCrutches]

Just got back into mining before the 3.19 ptu patch dropped, been a few years since I did mining. Enjoying myself again taking out the. mole, with a few friends. Thank you for this summary and I'm looking forward to your Extensive guide in the future, great video as always.

[@TheMeanDM]

Have you found any correlation between scanning "frequency" and asteroid/rock type or composition? Like, the 1700/1750/1890/etc. I have found, of course, that multiple thousands = more rocks. But no ideas on what types. Anything learned about that?

[@ChookyChuck]

With 3.19 changes, I am sad because, I miss my quant timer. Also i kind of wish i never bought a prospector since a rental probably makes 50% to 80% of what a bought prospector will make. I made a about 300 million an hour.... about 45 mins per trip and 180aUEC to 265aUEC per mission. That said it was good money and kept me all ways wanting to fill the refinery with jobs. I have played one year and almost immediately updated my starter ship to a taurus and prospector to mine. Thank you for the great guides.

[@VynsentDragon]

Rip Lancet, the king is dead, long live the king, lol. Though I think the Lancet will still have a place on a Mole but going need to get into the PTU and build up my mole to know for sure. Skipped most of 3.17 and all of 3.18 when I found out that they were planning this rework in 3.19 and it doesn't appear to have disappointed at all. For the build for a fully crewed Mole I want to try it is going to be Lancet (Focus III and XTR-XL), Arbor (Torrent III and Surge/Rieger-C3) and Klein (Torpid), negatives are cancelled out, got a way to bring forth more power, and an oh shit button in case someone falls asleep at the laser, or if they forget there's no zeroing out anymore. Happy mining!

[@tbomgardner4647]

For what it's worth, the part at 7:15 where you said impossible means impossible, isn't 100% accurate. I tried one tonight and broke it. Mass was 11975, 38.12% Agricium, 59.99% titanium, and 1.88% inert, resistance 23%, and instability 1.61 while I was heating it up. I was using a Helix 1, and had a Focus III passive. I also had a Torpid module mounted, but never fired it. I was at 100% for a short time, sitting at 15 meters, according to my screenshot. So, if it says impossible, don't assume it won't crack until you try it. I heard the dev say the same thing, and I almost moved on to the next one. This was also in the Aaron Halo.

[@Ravage2734b]

I tried to make it through the video.. and I'm sure it is filled with information... but.. I fell asleep...... twice

[@Amomferatus]

Nice video, my load out consists of the Hofstede and a lifeline, with Okunis gadgets in ship storage. I was able to crack a 12k rock with this setup, but that may have due to the type of rock I was working on, Aluminum was the major portion of it. I forget how to spell that type rock. Yesterday I went mining and according to the prices, I was expecting 6.4 million, but what I got was 64k. I'm not sure if the terminals are calculating right, but more like my price expectations were wrong. Oh well.

[@ronnieo9571]

Hello LoudGuns, I have grown hyper critical of youtube content creators of late. The reason is that so much "content" is really garbage wasting my time. I have even been giving thumbs down, and pulling my subscriptions. In this case, however, you get a thumbs up, the video saved to my SC folder, and this is the best mining I have seen. Very glad to have this video as a reference. I watched start to finish. Very well done. Thank you.

[@petergunn7039]

If certain planetside terrain yields better rocks than other places, I imagine they will be easy to find, just look for all the Balista's and Nova tanks controlling the area. Always been the stay out longer and get +80% pure bags of bex, hex Tari and Lari, what little of any other stuff I brought in was just tossed, it was enough to let me try new ships between patch wipes. Never touched quant, don't like clocks. Never even thought to try doubling up modules, giving that a go, thanks.

[@xxbeatleadxx]

Was waiting for your video to give me an idea of what to expect. This is exactly what I wanted, both from you and from New mining. Was pulling my hair out mining nothing but quant. It's so incredibly boring to me. Can't wait to fill the mole up with gold and diamonds and make more than lunch and gas money

[@Hamisback]

"Getting burned by last minute changes when going live..." This was me excited to actually have useful ballistic weapons for 3.18 only for them to get nerfed last minute to be basically fucking useless

[@davidpaul5938]

I can see a Klein-S1 with a Boremax working well for cheap or maybe I'd use an Impact-1 with a Rieger-C3, Focus III and a Sabir

[@KrazyKaiser]

On your permanent mods chart, Focus III doesn't show a stat in the Optimal Charge Window Size column, it's just a blank.

[@jmasked5082]

tried mining for the first time in a couple of years with prosp. spent half hour building load out, half an hour finding a rock, 30 secs zapping a rock, rock exploded and ship instantly lost my 50k laser head, flew to station to repair. 55k to repair. only have 10k in uec. logged out.

[@limitedrespawns]

The prospector rental was always hard to get any value out of. What's it like in this patch?

[@LoudGuns]

Given that it’s the Arbor stock it’s actually an alright ship now, I need to test whether you can add a module, but even if not with mining gadgets etc it’s going to do pretty well. I reckon it’s definitely less of a credit trap.

[@limitedrespawns]

​@@LoudGunsthat's very promising, I look forward to the testing results.

[@jg51ogg]

As my testing has come about I've noticed that the size 1 heads that had 3 consumable slots have been tuned to 2 slots. And two slot heads have been dumped to one slot. Size 2 heads have held the three slots that they had before. Now the MASS system I've noticed have changed also. Since I've always been a Helix 1 head miner in the Prospector I decided to see how I could crack it up. I was doing 35000 mass gold and corundum rocks. Man I'll say that tight little go charge and the high overcharge line is a bit of a trick but it can be done with a little finese heating. But so far I haven't had sweet breaks most are mixed with inert intermixed.

[@Tainted-Soul]

Thank you for your time and for putting a great vid out. the future for me is looking better as a solo miner as the need to get QT all the time just because your "Wasting time " with anything else as just changed to Mine all the other stuff without the worry of blowing up. just the dame Pirates to worry about LOL I also think once the salvage material is sorted its self out as in scraping different materials and munching then the need for different materials to repair. this then gives the mining the need to mine for the said mats and sell easier . Also stops people getting Millions within a weeks game play and then what ? I did save up for a MSR $5mil to do my refinery delivers. I think I may like the way things are going moving away from just doing bounties and mining to salvage , mining , delivery with a bit of flying escort if needed or a gunner for someone on a big ship. Looking forward to the NEW mining guide when 3.19 is out in the PU

[@charlesrobertson2979]

So what would be the best for prospector for mining quantaniam the Helix 1?

[@stringb2647]

Loud, I've been away from SC and Frontier for some time but seeing this video brings me right back. You have a way of making Star Citizen more entertaining than it is on it's own as does your ORG. Please tell everyone I'm still around and I'll be back to the org to mine with the best when I get this plant taken down. Your videos are the best.

[@poulpadub344]

Thank you for sharing, very thorough analysis on mining. You've gained a subscriber man. To the pleasure of meeting you in game.

[@CitizenNerd]

granted i have only spent 1 day mining so far and my thought will hopefully change a lot as a prospector miner.. but if i dont figure out a way to find a way to mine rocks bigger than 10k solo my soloing as a miner might be dead.. after a mining session of like 6 hrs i have no seen a single unit of quantanium found some Q rocks but they all have had zero quantanium. so seems i have a lot to learn again and i will give it time.. but it seems the crybaby mentality i have been laughing at for yrs.. has finally hit me i feel frustrated that the 4+ million a day mining sessions are over... and i feel sad that it seems like this now.. this was suppose to be the mining patch .. and i dont feel the love at all.. but that's just me seems i might just be crying salty tears for my precious quantanium 1 posetive thing this patch gave me and im loving it and hope they dont "fix" it.. my prospector now has 48 SCU of storage

[@Lightstep9]

So Quant is no longer volatile? I like the idea of more variety so hopefully that will help once the proper pricing will make it worth while. CIG is notorious about large nerfs where it is great at the PTU and then hardly resembles what it was when they move it to the PU. We need more chase items for monies spending like the Habitation and especially our own Hangars vs just the one item which is ships. edit: typos

[@MrBenjaminRhoades]

Great overview. Question though: why were you so close to the deposits each time? Noticed that you were in the warning zone fairly consistently, and your shields took damage during each crack. Was there a reason to stray from the optimal range?

[@ArterialCanine]

Mining was dull and boring with the availability of Quant in a single place Lyria and it was a trap for anyone who wanted to Pirate or Grief (Yes there is a large separation here). It should be a labour of love and should be hard toil and not just a profit maker. I have often seen gr8 commodities rocks and left behind due to the return vs effort. We will now have to consider load out and risk. An escort and scout might become the norm and all for the better.

[@aimesblack]

May the guy at 22:17 rest in peace

[@LoudGuns]

Blood for the mining gods!

[@qboid4763]

Does anyone know a workaround for the 3.18.2 not being able to put refined orders into a cargo ship?

[@danielhartland3737]

Also as a side note I found a granite rock of celin with 34% quant. it was only a straight to scoopable rock but might be worth checking out

[@aldodelarosa]

Would it be too early to just get the mole? Would the bags/containers on the prospector make it the better choice for mining since you can have a driver just pick up the bags and place new ones?

[@mcbookie3680]

was all preflight ready for a nice flight on XP12, watched this and found my self on a moon mining.

[@Revi2151]

Knew I would see a much more in depth update on the mining changes from you, fella. Great stuff 👍👍

[@lifes2short4bs73]

I'm not sure if it is intended or not, but I just put 4 of the Argo 12scu ore sacks onto my Prospector for a total of 48scu. I was able to fill them up and sell the ore at the refinery

[@vegasdadplaysgames]

Thanks for this early analysis. I am the Industries Flight Leader for my org, and we are scrambling to collect data as well, but I VERY much appreciate the head start. (you have a new Patreon supporter as well!) Keep up the great work!

[@morgotha42]

my Husband and I appreciate the work your putting into these videos.

[@rainel.6807]

Optimum is good for laggy internet or if your mining and drinking( never drink and mine ).. But then again you can use gadgets too. Good vid as usual.👍

[@skibidabndada6683]

Maybe i should stop watch your videos because now i want to go mining again and the farm for a prospector is pain 😭 Love goes out to you, maybe if i have it, i try to join your org❤

[@Rapsutin]

i tryed mining after long time and first thing i did was take mole salvage mission and got my prospector bigger bags and then i had to get impact-1 laser and i have to say that after the new mining changes it was hard to find minable rocks for prospector and when you did it was still hard to brake those little rocks.

[@micknolan2061]

Another exceptional offering from a master of his craft. The amount of effort that you are doing to enhance play for everyone, from sharing insights and processes to theory crafting future possibilities, we share your knowledge. You are the best! Looking forward to seeing you again in the verse!

[@gman2x]

This was amazing video, ty. I would love to be apart of the stuff you do is there an org I join to group up for this?

[@SanguinaryGuard]

Watched this at work. pulling it up at home to drop a like on my account. good stuff. Cant wait for this patch as a poor ship hand.

[@HalveElven]

Ooooo! This means renting a prospector will actual be viable now!

[@BoTalksStarCitizen]

Somehow I totally missed all of these changes. Thank you.

[@Dac85]

The Lancet is so weird. They call it a support laser but it's statted more like a budget Helix - second highest laser power.

[@lourr]

Sir, you are doing God's work. Thank you, your lordship!

[@jamess405]

I was waiting for this vid! I’ve not managed to try anything for myself in ptu yet

[@arenlarsen]

Good working putting this together in the 3.19 PTU. The new mining game play has a lot to unpack

[@LoudGuns]

Cheers Aren! Thankfully many hands…or lasers… 😂

[@Opethfan79]

Can't wait for the update. Great video. I have no idea what lasers to run on my Mole.

[@MadworldofChaos]

Another call video dude and you're free to kill @gfa all the time he's always late for a stream

[@ChookyChuck]

Just me but every thing i have seen about 3.19 looks no fun

[@kyleeaster1214]

Now i want to upgrade my Vulture to a MOLE now...

[@jtsurfs]

Sorry what paint was that on the cutlass black in your vid?

[@keithlee2613]

Can you change mining heads in the field or only at the station in 3: 19

[@thegamingtribunal]

i appreciate all the info shared here...thanks!!!

[@asiftalpur3758]

please make a salvage guide it's so hard to find salvage

[@franker69]

Very good overview, thank you!

[@Eden_North]

Just an excellent video, thank you.

[@roci750]

Man that went specific, and he say it’s not a tutorial 😊

[@kevinsamuels7567]

thanks for another great informative video.

[@jeffmadrid5437]

Wonderful video! Thank you.

[@donaldduck7628]

Thank you m8. Great vid.

[@schraubenschussel]

Thanks for the input regarding lasers and upgrades!

[@mrbaglog]

Thank you this is perfect. ❤

[@TransamJc]

Precision is going to mean everything in SC

[@stramlukt]

Great vid! thanks for all the info!

[@lordanubis5965]

Great video mate. That was well worth a watch.

[@Podokodo23]

Not all hero's wear capes. Well done.

[@lord17c]

I'm looking forward to your mining guide.

[@Spaco1]

Thanks for the video, great work! I've been experimenting with upgrading rental Prospector and have some good news: you can have a friend who owns a Prospector equip a head (and modules, if you like) and then swap it with yours in space. You'll keep it for the duration of your rental assuming you don't blow it up or have to claim it. Additionally if you don't want to go to all this trouble and just keep the stock Arbor, you can still manually attach a module to the head while in EVA with a tractor beam after unlocking the ports (right Alt+K). What do you think would be the best single module to use with a rental Prospector's Arbor I?

[@Spaco1]

Forgot to mention, but because you can hot swap modules in the field now, you can carry a variety either on your person or ship to change out based on your needs!

[@BrendenChase77]

You may think this isn't a guide, but it is a guide. Thank you!

[@Doychin_Penev]

How is the mining in the halo changing?

[@dylankalicojak9596]

So what's the best setup for a Mole?

[@mattlevins6754]

Yeaaaaaaaaaah Nerds for the win!!! So looking forward to your next guide, when ever it's ready. I made Millions using your last one as the starting point for my good times. Cheers

[@LoudGuns]

Cheers Matt - just a bit longer in the oven I reckon!

[@madgiecool]

Am I missing something? For Prospector play, am I expected to deal with the inconvenience of gadgets? If so, then I may as well take the inconvenience of solo Mole mining for the all the bonuses. 3 lasers to select from, more module slots and more cargo.

[@LoudGuns]

Prospector: 2m MOLE: 5.1m Pretty sure that says the Mole is meant to be the more profitable ship. That said I think for any solo player the gadgets are going to be important - not like you have to use them, it’s just that without the significant resistance buffs and cluster modifier buffs they can give there’s a bunch of rocks you won’t be able to crack that you could if you did use them.

[@KrazyKaiser]

I love that hadonite is, on paper, far and away the most valuable material to mine. Makes me feel like I'm not wasting my time with my ROC on Aberdeen.

[@LordGryllwotth]

I don't have time now to watch it all. Do ROC mining work again? No flying shards?

[@jaybirdjargon]

Guess I need to save up to buy a mole now in game...might make for larger runs for better materials. This will delay my andromeda dreams evern further. :(

[@LoudGuns]

Or…you find someone who owns a mole and ask to crew up! All the money without paying for a mole!

[@andrewhudson1175]

Great video as always! Quick question: what was the mix of heads & modules that gave you 0 red zone?

[@LoudGuns]

A lot of XTR-XL’s and Focus 3’s on a mix of Arbor’s, Helix’s and Klein’s - pretty sure we can do better though using impacts which we picked up on afterwards (don’t need quite that much green).

[@Experia888]

never thought i'd hear loudguns say 'skill issue', very good video

[@LoudGuns]

Harsh but true 😂 Git Gud

[@Caennuck]

So I don’t understand how this makes the mining meta any better? It strikes me that the price of Q compared to the next best material just got worse in this patch. There’s no point whatsoever in mining anything else still.

[@LoudGuns]

23:11 for my views on this

[@captainmadpat7632]

was wondering when ur 2 cents where coming :D thanks for this mate, great vid and I'll be eagerly waiting for the more in depth vids to come

[@LoudGuns]

Yeah don’t want to rush this stuff and deliver a quick but garbage take!

[@centermassgamer323]

I’m excited for the Quantanium only meta to be gone. This should be fun.

[@LoudGuns]

Yep, change is scary but it’s good!

[@Asgar1205]

Now we just need the Orion

[@darkracer1252]

17:00 the change to surge is to stop people from breaking big rocks regardless of what the mass is. (if you can even move the bar. then you can keep it in the green if the surge got you to the green)

[@LoudGuns]

Pretty sure that’s what I said 👍

[@Siroccowalker]

Great video with a lot of pertinent info mate. BTW, where is the link to your new website you mentioned? Cheers

[@LoudGuns]

It’ll come soon, just sorting it out. But the links are all in the description to my shared drive for now 👍