The Rise and Fall of Hair Metal

[@jamieburkey]

The Rise was because of MTV. And The Fall was because MTV.

[@madlynx1818]

Yup I’ve always said that MTV ruined music. “Video killed the radio star”

[@waverlyking6045]

@@madlynx1818 Then reality TV killed the videos and a lot of other things.

[@darealgodzilla]

Nirvana, Metallica and Pantera breaking into the mainstream in around 91/92 didn´t help much either. The underground came crushing into the mainstream along with a lot of listeners who didn´t grew up listening to glam-rock but instead listened to hardcore punk and thrash)

[@madlynx1818]

@ Nirvana is about the most overrated and overhyped band ever. I saw lots of “hair metal” bands play local (NYC&suburbs) shows back then and they were all hard and heavy and sounded great but the record companies that signed them made them poof-up and then water down their production on the records. I know personally of one exact story like that from a good friend who was an extremely talented guitarist trying to make it at that time and that was what was going on and I think that the cookie-cutter record company douche attitude of trying to put out everything they thought would sell that just ended up being the same and looking the same is what killed it. When they just about drowned that baby they threw it out with the bath water and started it over with their “new sound” of grunge which demonically played on the tropes of depression and drug use to override the happiness and good times of basically heavy rock and roll. Thats the way I saw it.

[@beatlesforever69]

Mtv and Image always went hand and hand.

[@grogu1986]

Hair metal and grunge are both awesome

[@levisarenpa5100]

Yes, I agree

[@Mr.Goldbar]

Yeah they're just for different types of people. I'm more of the hair metal type for the anthemic fun and excess and for the heavier vibe Grunge provides I'd prefer heavier genres of metal :)

[@analoguecity3454]

Both had good and bad groups!😊

[@analoguecity3454]

​@@Mr.Goldbarme too!😊

[@newforestpixie5297]

You guys Love Your Metal . It’s great to see less discord amongst music lovers ❤️😃👍

[@The_R-n-I_Guy]

Hair metal worked because women loved the way they looked. If the women didn't like it. It would've never happened

[@RedOwl73]

There was s deliberate decision by MTV not to support metal and push alternative and grunge. With no announcement they changed Headbangers Ball to Super Rock and only sprinkled in metal on this shiow. Metal was no longer on their channel anytime of day--it was HipHop, Grunge, Alternative, mainstream. They even helped push the narrative that metal was no longer cool

[@nothuman1683]

I think they should legally have to change thier name since they play 0 music on its programming

[@waverlyking6045]

@@RedOwl73 Now they are pushing the narrative that the social media influencer is cool and musicians are uncool.

[@lordtrigon1733]

It does seem to be a dirty secret how much of grunge's success was due to aggressive marketing from corpos rather than the organic grassroots rise its image and reputation would suggest.

[@raytruhn602]

They absolutely pushed that narrative and the ironic thing is they used Beavis and Butt-head to push the narrative!!!!

[@truthhurts79]

@@RedOwl73 stop being in denial that ppl got sick of poser hair metal bands

[@LaurieValdez-zk3dy]

The 70s,80s and 90s Ruled. Love them all. Philadelphia USA 🇺🇸

[@chrisconny2285]

😎🍻

[@patricksullivan7140]

Damn right my friend, from Texas USA

[@botard75]

How come hair metal gets criticized for being misogynistic and sexist but hip-hop gets a pass

[@Vinylrebel72]

Hip Hop is worse.

[@tobinmonroe3045]

Misogyny exists everywhere and and always will exist. But calling out rap specifically in this argument is weird. Many people don't give rap a pass for it. The point is we need to acknowledge it when we see it no matter what to make progress. It's not about hating on a music genera you don't like.

[@Vinylrebel72]

@ misogyny is just a word people use to hate on masculinity.

[@noahnorman6877]

It’s because there’s not a lot of people nowadays who are as big as rock fans as they were back then. And 2017 was the year that Hip Hop’s popularity surpassed that of rock in the United States.

[@jon-paulfilkins7820]

As a music nerd/consumer for over 40 years, it is noticeable that a genre of music will always have a few years success (usually about 5 give or take a couple, a 3 album cycle is typical for the best and leaders of the scene) but then fall as the next generation of music fans get old enough to buy their own music with their own money, and they want their own thing. Teenagers back then didn't want their elder siblings hand me down thrills. Hair Metal, Grunge, Britpop, Punk Pop, Nu Metal etc, just ran their course. A death of a thousand cuts in a strange way as the other things you talk about did impact it as well. Now teens and older budding music nerds want to dive into the past and and enjoy the music of the past alongside the new stuff.

[@ltjjenkins]

You're mostly correct but the thing that grunge did was completely disregard the music that came before. Generations or fans of a sub genre took the best of the previous as well as their own.

[@AnthonyMichaelAMguitar]

Yea the other commenter is correct. 60's bands were influenced by 50's bands. 70's bands were influenced by 50's and 60's bands, 80's bands were influenced by 50's 60's and 70's bands. 90's bands were influenced by everything BUT the 80's.

[@kellybarthel8060]

​@@AnthonyMichaelAMguitarsorry but that is wrong, Alice n chains started out as glam metal, same with mother love bone took huge elements of glam and they became pearl jam. But the thing that kills these different waves is bands simply run out of material every and runs out of good material.

[@JimJWalker]

3:12 I wonder how many guitarists know where the terms "Axes", "Chops", and "Woodshed" come from? They are American terms that come from Jazz musicians who watched a popular fraternity known as "Modern Woodmen of America" do their regimented parades with their aluminum axes around 1890-1930 all across the US. It was very popular, and its echo carries on.

[@SaintMartins]

No Glam Metal band should complain about Alternative Rock knocking them off the radio & music charts in the 1990's, because it never went away. Aerosmith, Van Halen, Def Leppard, Bon Jovi & Extreme ALL had albums selling 1 million copies & STILL played arenas during the 1990's. If your band disappeared it's because you sucked.

[@thatregulardude1310]

Or just because they came out to late and didn’t get enough exposure that doesn’t mean they suck it just means it was bad timing I can admit there are some bad hair bands but most of the late 90s ones were amazing in my opinion and deserved more exposure

[@jamieburkey]

@@thatregulardude1310 Bands like Cats N Boots. Tyketto. Babylon AD, Johnny Crash and Life Sex & Death

[@thatregulardude1310]

@ wildside xyz Roxy blue McQueen street saints and sinners heavens edge valentine list goes on lol

[@BananaBoys24]

@@thatregulardude1310Roxy Blue is great

[@thatregulardude1310]

@ I love them I just discovered them and I’d give anything for them to come to my city and play even without the original members

[@tambor76]

How many times are loudwire gonna cover the death of hair metal?

[@KaysonicDre]

This should have more likes lmao

[@abhilashpanda5758]

Exactly I felt deja vu watching this video. Maybe a re-upload?

[@michaelhymson8074]

just be thankful that it's dead and move on...haha.

[@MKmarcos97]

Exactly. We don't even have anymore the Tony Gonzalez news videos. This channel Is fucking dead and buried...

[@rexbrumbelow1550]

10 times

[@edwardbliss8931]

We need another music movement--like hair metal, like grunge--to shake things up again. Something that embodies danger, recklessness, irreverence, authenticity, rebellion, etc, etc. Remember the days when we had these every 5 or 6 years? Well we're due for another one. I think 20, 25 years of lame pop and rap as the dominant genres in our culture is long enough. All that should've crashed a long time ago

[@Chaz4543]

Cant have another music movement like that with no monoculture anymore. Everyone just listens to what they like since its all still being made and easy to find on streaming and youtube.

[@selfan2005]

I refuse to give up hope that the next Axl Rose, Kurt Cobain, Marilyn Manson or (YES even Tupac Shakur, and Eminem, like it or not, they shook things up too. Music is too clean and safe now) is not somewhere in the bedroom of his parents' house right now, looking at the state of music and thinking "This sucks. F**** all this bull*****" and planning the next Revolution.

[@edwardbliss8931]

@@selfan2005 Someone compared it to a pressure cooker...at some point something is going to give and blow. I just wish it didn't take this fucking long

[@Chaz4543]

@@selfan2005 You got the next Tupac Shakur and Eminem already. Kendrick Lamar is the new Tupac and Tyler the Creator was the new Eminem.

[@Highrollinhunter]

The rise of Groove Metal and Death Metal also helped kill Glam Metal because Cannibal Corpse was heavy af for their time and still are heavy even though there are bands that are way heavier and louder live.

[@jazzcatjohn]

There were different levels of hair metal. There were the Ratt/Dokken bands with musical talent. Then there were the Warrant/Poison bands that came a couple years later that were all about the image and sappy ballads (Every Rose Has It's Thorn.) That's where I drew the line.

[@IronCladEd]

I agree, Some of those Ratt albums still hold up today.

[@vincents9620]

i would only add Queensryche with Ratt/Dokken everything else spot on

[@IronCladEd]

@vincents9620 true Queensryche came before any of the Seattle bands

[@rory251]

Agreed. Queensryche was more Prog metal anyway@@vincents9620

[@ZombiedustXXX]

@jazzcatjohn Exactly! One of the cringiest pieces of shit things I have ever seen in my lifetime was the Winger spin moves on their Seventeen video. The embarrassment of that crap didn't need to wait for Beavis and Butthead to mock them in the 1990's. Hair metal by that time had already committed suicide by suffocation...by disappearing up it own ass.

[@elilooke7977]

It was a cool time in music

[@vincents9620]

yea it was fun cocaine80's shit got real in the 90's

[@ldogin]

Party time in the 80s. Heroin and death for the 90s.

[@LuisLondonG]

It was ans still is awesome. So many great songs came from it

[@TheScarekrow420]

I didn’t grow up in the 80s but I love Motley Crue and Alice Cooper

[@robswystun2766]

Alice Cooper's heyday was the '70s. He was mostly ass in the '80s.

[@jamiesonmathias7859]

​@@robswystun2766Wrong he had Great albums in 86,87,89,91 !

[@TheHunter77632]

Never liked motley crue too violent or something…

[@spiraldrop4897]

It was embracing to listen to most of metal genres in 1991/1992, but glam was especially hated because of the fashion style.... But basically we all changed clothing to grunge style over night ...

[@thatregulardude1310]

Only thing bad about glam is the lipstick and the women clothes worn by men other than that I think a Izzy outfit from gnr was pretty sick

[@vincents9620]

it was the drugs America went from party time cocaine 80's to opiate fueled angry and violent 90's totally different decades

[@ridenar1456]

Vulgar Display of Power came out in 92

[@trippy2022]

Im so glad i was there in the 80’s… growing up with all the hair! I do miss my long hair.

[@bltvd]

I think it was more hair metal’s embrace of lazy ballads that was the final nail in the coffin. I remember thinking nothing on earth was “gayer” than the band Firehouse and the song Love of Lifetime when I was 13 in 1989.

[@ryanvaubel7186]

Absolutely agree

[@gungriffen]

More like the record companies. Nearly every "Hair Metal Albums" had 3 or 4 tracks of Speed Metal about fast cars, gun fights, and politics or war tracks but the record labels demanded ballads because they could play them on the radio without the fear of the PMRC coming down on them.

[@Beckonor]

When Poison first came out, I groaned. It was too over the top for me. When Enuff Znuff came out with Fly High Michelle, I officially check out from glam.

[@jamieburkey]

Well seeing how the Firehouse album didnt come out until 1990

[@jamieburkey]

@@Beckonor Enuff Znuff is amazing

[@GreyHubler]

Secondly, Pantera started as a glam band and Alice In Chains opened for POISON.

[@PadreAlgodón]

I’ve always hated the term “Hair Metal”. That crap was called GLAM ROCK.

[@Chaz4543]

Most of the people in hair metal bands go on stage these days with wigs on or use hair dye so the term hair metal fits since they are still obsessed with their hair and dont go on stage how they really look.

[@PadreAlgodón]

@@Chaz4543 🤣🤣🤣good point

[@Mr.Goldbar]

Still my favorite era of music and one of my favorite genres! When I want something heavy I have my modern metal bands I love and the modern metal I make. When I want pure fun and excess there's not much I like more than hair metal, and I'm a zoomer by heart :D

[@LuisLondonG]

Hair Metal was successful because it was good. You want proof? This video talking about it 40 years after!!! 😂😂😂

[@Mr.Goldbar]

@@LuisLondonG exactly!

[@TheBlackcredo]

RIP Paul Dianno.

[@thedonofthsht76-58]

Dude didn't Blink once 😂😂😂

[@jbibro]

I appreciated Tom Kiefer sharing his experience, here. Great segment. 🤘🏻✨

[@drooskeedoo3388]

I think he must have had a couple dozen necklaces and bracelets on. Kinda silly for a guy in what late 50's early 60's?

[@johnmiller5987]

As a teenager in the 80's. Hair metal is phony and the grunge bands were dudes who were more real and relied less on image.

[@michaelhymson8074]

yup. most of the comments here are beyond embarrassing. everyone cool in the 80s was listening to thrash metal and hardcore. glam was music for 14 year old girls at the time. people talk about it like it was a serious genre for serious people. it wasn't. it was n sync with guitars.

[@rogerdodger6025]

@@michaelhymson8074 I wasn't a fan of it either as I was into the underground punk/alternative scene and Thrash to some degree, I also liked music from the 50's and 60's and 70's, but there were a lot of good guitarists in the Glam Metal genre.

[@crumblingheights4367]

A huge reason why grunge took off the way it did was that grunge wasn’t just only nirvana,Pearl Jam, and Soundgarden. It was also the local bands. It was going to see your friends band and not some primped up weirdo, singing power ballads. It was cool to go to shows, even if there was only 20 people attending. Hair metal just doesn’t have that kind of energy. Hair metal was always a bid for mainstream attention and metal as a genre suffered because of it. By the end, it was painfully obvious that these bands were corporate driven, and not relatable to a young early 90s audience. Grunge brought creativity back to mainstream rock that hair metal ignored for many years.

[@lucasvanti2200]

Nobody will ever admit that the 80s were cocaine, groupies and fun, and the 90s were depression, boredom and heroin. Excesses were there, but since it was not the “fun part” of partying, it went undisclosed. But hear me out, more Grunge icons got killed by heroin overdose than any of the 80s bad boys got bad due to coke.

[@MCastleberry1980]

The older I get, the more forgiving i am of hair metal. At the end of the day, it was just fun party music. A friend of mine that grew up in that era was like "I went to see Rush and Poison whenever they were in town. Way more chicks to meet with Poison"

[@claywinn32]

What about other music trends/genres? Grunge, Nu Metal, etc all died quicker deaths than hair metal. Grunge went way too far in the opposite direction from the hedonistic lifestyles that 80s bands lived, that the scene imploded on itself when Kurt passed,that by the end of the 90's Nu Metal had come in that took the down tuned musical elements of grunge but splashed it with the party lifestyle of hair metal and a drop of hip hop attitude. Then that morphed into bands like Buckcherry,Hinder,Nickelback etc of the 2000s that dropped the hip hop elements altogether but kept the grunge guitars but with the hair metal flavorings everywhere else., which then also died by the 2010s. But Hair Metal has had a resurgence with nostalgia and with that popularity comes numerous KZbin channels, podcast, documentary film makers, etc making content to try and cash in on it.

[@jamieburkey]

And Dont forget about the New Wave Bands like Crazy Lixx. Crashdiet and Reckless Love

[@ICLight412]

Serious? People follow the music they enjoy. How did grunge or nu metal die and glam still alive? They all are in their own way. You saying one’s dead is saying you got tunnel vision.

[@deanruthlessrecords]

In 1986, I was 6 years old and I grew up on everything MTV Played.

[@robinstephenson6666]

You talk about roots of hair metal without mentioning Kiss or Alice Cooper?

[@tbone7679]

They are literally the foundation of hair metal

[@robvegas9354]

I would argue 100% that it was Metallica, Megadeth, Slayer, Pantera and the other heavy bands like Fear Factory, Sepultura, Type O Negative, etc breaking into the mainstream finding more fans that were a bigger part of the change at the start of the 90's. Most of which are still around now. Old mate in this video has a Corrosion Of Conformity shirt, another heavy band from the 80's and 90's that is still going today and more popular than ever. The grunge bands were just just another trend that came and went, exactly like the hair metal trend dudes before them.

[@lordtrigon1733]

Enough about the death of hair metal, how about a video about the death of grunge?

[@RossBayCult]

Grunge just quietly went away, nobody cared about its demise

[@TheScarekrow420]

They did a whole series of videos on grunge back in 2020

[@lordtrigon1733]

@@RossBayCult I feel like there's more to it than that and more worth exploring than this done-to-death topic.

[@Jean-PaulMichell]

I second that. Heard about Hair Metal's death enough times; grunge's exit interests me a bit more. Aside from gangsta rap, Didn't industrial rock have a hand in it?

[@Chaz4543]

Gangsta Rap killed all Rock for future generations to come. No rock band of any subgenre could ever be as dangerous or as edgy as rap. Eminem was the final nail in the coffin for rock being the music of teenage rebellion.

[@jusmartin7357]

To be honest motley crue was a legitimate metal band. Yeah they are stuck in that genre but if they showed up in any era they'd be considered metal. Why do you think they're career lasted granted not as popular but they're still iconic to this day

[@donperry8627]

Unskinny Bop and Cherry Pie. That’s it. It started becoming a parody of itself. I clearly remember hopping in my friends Camero in early summer of ‘90. He popped the tape in and started playing Unskinny. I looked at him and asked “WTF is this garbage?” Follow that up a couple months later with “Cherry Pie” and I was checked out. I mean NIN had come out that spring and a year later Nirvana, STP, AIC, PJ hit the air. It was a one/two punch to hair.

[@rm1042]

A perfect example of a band coming out at the worst time is Nitro. The scene was already dying. They probably would have been huge if they came out in the early 80's.

[@QuinStifler]

Hahah! I remember laughing hysterically at their hair and weird guitars when I worked at a record store back in the late 80s/ early 90s. NOW my 21yo nephew loves them because they're more "Power Metal" by today's standards. "Enough'Z nuff" was the ONE band I saw come through that record store where I said to myself, "It's over..."

[@DevilsDejaVu]

Nah... even if glam was a thing still Nitro would've blow hard

[@rogerdodger6025]

Didn't some members of that band form Slaughter who some success in the late hair era?

[@robertmckinnon7003]

Hair Metal may have glommed onto Glam/ Glitter Rocks attitude and aesthetic. But, it did not adopt its disdain for extended guitar solos or jam sessions. In the same way Thrash took Punks speed and aggression and added "musicality".

[@MGdelOeste]

Yeah, you're right. To me they took Glam aesthetic and pop-rock influence and mixed it with 70s classic hard rock and early 80s heavy metal, genres that did value "musicality", "guitar hero" figures and such.

[@troyevitt2437]

Wrong about Whitesnake and about Def Leppard; W/S was a legitimate offshoot of Deep Purple-Coverdale, Lord, Paice-and Def Lep was part of the N.W.B.O.H.M. D/L's sound was forced to change when the drummer had to start using an electronic snare drum using a kick drum pedal. The most popular snare drum sound in pop was the gated-reverb snare and that damn snare forced D/L into a more Pop-Metal sound...that and the Tom Scholz Rockman.

[@DevilsDejaVu]

You're off. Even Leppard themselves hate the term NWOBHM and wanted to distance themselves from it. They embrace their glam metal moniker. Joe Elliot's words, not mine. Look it up.

[@troyevitt2437]

@@DevilsDejaVu Yes, Def Leppard disavowed the term, "N.W.B.O.H.M." Additionally, Direct Current disavowed the term "Electricity" and the Branch Davidians disavowed the term, "Cult". Leppard, being a 2-guitar band, broke out in that same timeline as Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, and Saxon is regarded by the majority as N.W.O.B.H.M. Because of their two-guitar sound and their breaking out at the same time, Scorpions often gets called "Germany's honorary N.W.O.B.M. band." Self-determination is a very seductive ideal, but at the end of the day, Def Lep has had the category foisted on them because "walks like a duck"...

[@GreyHubler]

Fourth, the music was NOT about "getting chicks". The music was positive and about escaping reality.

[@LuisLondonG]

Agree! Positive music, not negative stuff

[@newforestpixie5297]

i was around when iron maiden played to a few hundred at Bournemouth Town Hall during their 1st headline tour and your take on metal history regarding the 1970s & 1980s is spot on & your channel deserves so many viewers 😃👍❤️🐢🐀👽

[@OaksArm]

America started pussing out with power-ballads and it’s been downhill ever since.

[@V3ntilator]

I think Tony Harnell from TNT explained this best of everyone. He explain why Grunge didn't kill metal.

[@728huey]

Obviously grunge and alternative rock helped the demise of hair metal, but don't forget the rise of hip-hop and gangsta rap contributing to it as well. One of the hallmarks of rock and roll was that it was always rebelling against the mainstream and that your parents hated it. But hip-hop stole the mantle of rebelliousness from rock music thanks to acts Public Enemy, N.W.A., Wu-Tang Clan, Dr. Dre, Snoop Dogg, 2Pac, and Biggie Smalls.

[@CodeBleu724]

Today's entertainers are all corporate and political bootlickers. There's nothing to rebel against. Nothing authentic anyway. The real rebellion is the rejection of that nonsense.

[@thedam1012]

IMHO,thrash killed hair metal.Grunge took a dump on its bloated corpse.

[@JasonBenesh]

Pretty solid summation, but some garbled timelines and a couple of big omissions. Y&T was a huge factor in the Sunset Strip scene--secondary to VH, of course. And while you showed a couple images of Kiss in the second segment they weren't mentioned at all, which seems a huge omission from the first segment at least. Good call centering Motley Crue, though. They basically determined the course of hair metal from beginning to end.

[@mkp3824]

The off angle shot isn't working. It looks funny. An off angle shot works in an interview setting, like the guy at around 19:13, not in a setting of someone reading off of a teleprompter, doing gestures, etc. Other than that, another downfall was Guns and Roses. They didn't do the glam look, they were serious musicians, and it was a step in the direction back away from what hair metal had become.

[@robswystun2766]

If you were a teenager in the late '80s or '90s, who lived in some dinky little town thousands of miles away from Los Angeles, it was much easier to connect to grunge because they were singing about alienation and not fitting in, which we all understood. None of us had ever seen cocaine or hookers in our lives, so we really couldn't connect to what these guys were singing about. Fucking hot models all night while ripped on coke and booze? Nope. Definitely not something a teenager in buttfuck nowhere knows anything about. Feeling like you might just kill yourself at any given moment because life seems bleak and hopeless? Yeah, that we understood.

[@strongbad666]

As Gary Holt once said, "Yeah, we would make fun of them and then go home and listen to their records and play along to it."

[@gothiccowboy95]

Now for Modern Metal we have dudes playing in djent & Metalcore bands where every music video is filmed in a warehouse, they all wear black logo less shirts, and the majority of their songs sound like 2010s Bring Me the Horizon. It’s been like 10 years of this garbage! Where’s the asteroid shower lol

[@gokhanersan8561]

“Ooops she did it.” Britney Spears destroyed grunge overnight. Someone figured people must be sick of hearing “I want to eat your cancer.” Steel Panther says “eatin’ ain’t cheatin.” Party on.

[@rascaltuff]

Vince Neil is a monster.

[@terryfleming7816]

Wow! cant believe no OZZY in this ? He ruled the 80s heavy metal scene !

[@BurnRoddy]

I'd just going to mention how DLR took influence from Jim Dandy from Black Oak Arkansas for his on stage frontman looks and perfomance. No Jim Dandy = No Van Halen.

[@rogerdodger6025]

Jim Dandy "rescued" them.

[@mandomendez5618]

I always thought that hair metal,glam metal was a joke,it killed metal in general

[@Arturo-cz8mt]

Thanks Joe!!! 😊

[@STANGm06deGT]

Metallica also helped to destroy hair / glam metal

[@edanguiano6096]

Kinda ironic and funny that grunge was supposed to be a rejection of hair metal’s party aesthetic while they were all about that H

[@gomiwomi]

C Thomas Howell is hosting a KZbin channel?

[@axxellein]

Hair Bands IS/WAS A Medieval Style and Feel!!!

[@metalexileslive]

I've been saying this for years. Glam and melodic hard rock shot themselves in the foot. To many bands, albums and they all looked and sounded the same.

[@arturoalmazan5262]

As much as I despised grunge ; that genre of music wasn't at fault with ' hair metal ' ceasing to exist. when I grew up in the early 80s we didn't call it that. it was glam rock or metal. The redundant; millions of ' hair bands ' was over when bands like ; tuff ,; enuff z nuff ; pretty boy floyd and so many others were ; responsible for the demise of Hair Metal. of course I liked Crue ; ratt ; dokken ; LA guns etc. but by the early 90s it was over and done

[@Bassmanhill84]

MTV and Vh1 did multiple specials and shows about this very topic. Did we really need another one of " Grunge killed hair metal " conversations? Really?

[@lordtrigon1733]

This very channel has too, I think this might be a stitched together from old ones.

[@Bassmanhill84]

@lordtrigon1733 has to be. Waste of time .

[@Beckonor]

What else is there to talk about in modern metal? There is nothing going on that is exciting. No one watches the videos where they cover new bands. Most metal discussions talk about the glory days.

[@jamieburkey]

@@Beckonor My kids Like Bad Omens, Motionless In White

[@QuinStifler]

Why not? It's American music history. Now that Trump's in again, we need to TEACH FACTS before the Fasc!sts make that a hanging offense... You sound like a Poison fan who's just butthurt it's not cool anymore.

[@Elpeliculero]

i see Motorhead i like.

[@analoguecity3454]

If you didn't grow up in it like me and others over 50, all you know is what you read! You had no idea how fuckin' fun it was!😮😊

[@tommymartinelli6043]

I have always said it was never grunge but the fact that a lot of hair metal sounded alike and was growing stale. The fans wanted something different and were looking for alternatives. There were heavy sounding bands in wildly different genres. They didn’t want to go thrash or death metal, they just wanted something hard and heavy that was the antithesis to hair metal. Also too many hair bands tried to go the grunge or alt rock sound and look but they were all Johnny come latelies. Grunge gets an unfair bit of hate for “liking an already dying scene. Every change of decade, the record companies (and fans to a major extent) gravitate towards the fresh new thing. Grumbling about many of the big stars of grunge, we’re already being talked about as early as 87 in “Metal” magazines. So young new fans, the media of the day, the glam bands themselves the turn of the decade, and record labels, put the glam metal down like Old Yeller, not grunge.

[@michaellazor5667]

If you remember, grudge only lasted 3 years. Dunkirk died and a similar genre called post-grunge happened

[@beatlesforever69]

The glam of the 70s and glam of the 80s(hair metal) are worlds apart on so many levels.

[@AnthonyMichaelAMguitar]

I lived during this time, and I witnessed it. I was a 60's 70's early 80's music fan. i never "bought" into the whole "hir" thing. I found it silly and I felt that even the movie Spinal Tap made fun of it and there was really no secret about that glam/hair metal was just stupid.

[@axxellein]

Angel =Early POMP Epics/Glam Pop Classics!!!!

[@rogerdodger6025]

Add Starz to that list too. Remember them?

[@woutwout8398]

Why is the presenter looking next to the camera? Nothing wrong with 'hair metal', some of the most exciting and fun rock 'n' roll in history.

[@skrasche]

Popular opinion is that Nirvana killed hair metal but I think there’s a strong argument that And Justice For All was the moment it shifted. Suddenly, all the spandex and artiface seemed to be kind of silly. By 89 or so, there was a feeling that something was changing and a lot of bands were casting around to figure out what to be. Poison, Cinderella, and such seemed to think it was going to be a return to 70’s roots rock- probably seeing the success of Black Crows and Lenny Kravitz. Motley and G n’ R were trying to be tee shirts and jeans bands (like Metallica, Megadeth, etc,). Soundgarden and Alice In Chains were happening but nobody knew how to categorize them - they were just weird metal bands You had bands like Depeche Mode, REM, and The Cure breaking out of the college scene into the mainstream. They brought Jane’s Addiction, Pixies, Sonic Youth, etc to a bigger audience. I feel like Nevermind was really the point where this new thing got a corporate identity. Suddenly, all these metal but not quite metal bands (Pearl Jam, Soundgarden, AIC) could fit into a box and then marketed more efficiently

[@thepagecollective]

Never liked hair metal. I wanted something more honest. I found what I wanted when I discovered the Sex Pistols. I liked the glam stuff, and was a huge Bowie fan, but there was something more to glam than the glam. Hair metal was just the glam and hedonism. That said, Cinderella and Def Leppard were not bad.

[@oengland28]

You have no idea what you’re talking about calling Van Halen hair metal. VH was a Hard Rock band, just because they came from the sunset strip doesn’t mean they were Hair Metal. Don’t get it twisted, these bands were fucking fire, especially Ratt and Dokken, they had WAY more chops than bands like nirvana and Pearl Jam.

[@cuginoeddie8677]

VH wasn’t a hair band but they did start the trend as every band member wanted to look like DLR

[@ENGlishJELLo-yk7up]

Van Halen and MTV created the hair bands of the 80's

[@A-Man79]

Hair Metal became extremely unpopular in the 90s because there was a general cultural shift which sparked a massive backlash against the aesthetics of those bands. Basically glamour and glitz just weren't cool anymore. Doom and gloom were. Hence grunge became massive.

[@tombstonexcadaver]

Love grunge rock and hair metal

[@tombstonexcadaver]

Twisted Sister and The New York Dolls two of my favorite drag queen bands of the 80s 😂😂🤘🏻

[@vivsavage13]

Whoever decided that your not allowed to like them both???? Because I like them both. For different reasons, but nevertheless. I like both. 🎸🎸

[@slashismyhommie8182]

I always compared Marilyn Manson as the meta of glam rock. Like if you speed ran from glam rock's origin till its death you would end up at Manson. People 20 years ago kept telling me it was different, that's fine, everyone has their own opinions. But Manson was a corporate antihero rock star covered in makeup and leather to make a definitive "look" the corporate rock scene was searching for through the entire 90s. I am glad they found a shill to do that to all of us. He was on the same level as hair bands like Motley Crue and Poison, only way darker cause grunge and alt bands of the early 90s made us all dark and deep bro.

[@AnthonyFilardi]

I don’t know anyone who cared how bands looked.They only cared if the music was great which is all that really matters.

[@perfektspace]

Entertaining but gets the sequencing a little off in the early days of 80s rock. The era started in the early 80s with bands like Motley Crue, Dokken, Quiet Riot, Twisted Sister, and Ratt. Then you had bands like Bon Jovi, and Cinderella come into play. All these bands looked different but were basically playing edgy hard rock with pop sensibilities. The true "Hair Era" come into being with Poison. The emphasis was on looking even more feminine with less edge. Bands like Bullet Boys and Firehouse followed. It became more and more derivative and then the whole thing collapsed because it got old.

[@zombee38]

Extreme's hit More than words...takes the cake

[@trenchcoatmafioso]

Hair metal was what happens when metal gets popular. Metal belongs in the underground. When jocks and cheerleaders were buying 'metal' albums, it was time to burn it all.

[@waverlyking6045]

Jocks and cheerleaders also happened to rap and country music.

[@Bobby14]

And Black Metal is filled neo-nazis, edgelords and somehow is every teen's favourite Metal genre for some reason, why? Beats me! At least if Death Metal was or Thrash

[@QuinStifler]

@@Bobby14 That's a complicated topic, but has to do with the Mayhem prick (Burzum) who is a Nazi too. Not ALL BM is "Nazi" any more than ALL HipHop glorifies thug life or being a murderer.

[@QuinStifler]

YES! THIS! When Metallica's "Black Album" came out I didn't like it but THOSE pricks did! It's why they got the hate.

[@LuisLondonG]

Loudwire should do have done this video with another presenter. Who appreciates music in general. This guy is on something and is pumped to bash Hair Metal. Why? He has insecurities?

[@ldogin]

The glam bands had great guitar players. Grunge guys played chords. Depressing chords.

[@New_Jax_City]

Didnt TESTAMENT do a ballad?? Like a black and white video i think?? 😂

[@itookallthenames]

You’ll never guess what they called their first ballad

[@New_Jax_City]

@ ballad wasnt it? 😂

[@itookallthenames]

@@New_Jax_City that’s the one lol

[@lesslycarthan956]

Guess where I'm from Detroit Rock City born 1969 you know me sabbath to guns and roses 🌹 and everything in-between.most hair metal was corporate implants we didn't care for them their content was what my sister could handle not sickness like Metallica or def leapard.what I am a metal head rapper from the 80s still killing it at 56

[@overthemountain90]

The punnier title would have been "how hair metal fell off over the years."

[@agentallstar7]

Complaining about hair bands is funny to me since music has devolved into complete garbage today. Those “hair bands” had some great musicians and almost all of them had shredding guitar riffs and good drummers.

[@jzimm1075]

I think I solved the great Tommy Wiseau origin mystery. He’s Tom Keifer!

[@vonjunzt4130]

There is so much misinformation in this video, I don't even know where to start.

[@johncole015]

Cringe lasted about three years Disco lasted much longer.

[@telecatsermaster]

I think guns and roses went a long way to killing hair metal. They were kinda glam, but a far cry from the makeup “poison bands” of the time.

[@DevilsDejaVu]

Guns were glam, edgier at the beginning but full glam band all the way

[@rogerdodger6025]

@@DevilsDejaVu Agreed, they had similar sounds as the other glam bands, the difference was that their lead singer was a tortured artist and not just a pretty boy. He was similar to the Grunge guys in that he was dealing with his issues, but they had all the same musical influences as the other Glam metal bands and were certainly into hedonism and decadence even more so.

[@EDDIETRUJILLO-q8p]

What happened to Grunge?

[@KISSfan888]

This whole video is made with a negative tone. Glam metal is amazing music and deserves respect.

[@tombstonexcadaver]

Haven’t heard Tom Keifer talk in a min 😂 fucking loved Cinderella back in the day too

[@Joeyjoejoe5432]

That Torben Ulrich t-shirt is the best 😂

[@GreyHubler]

Third, "hair band" didn't even EXIST as a term until the late 90s.

[@Joseph-l6w]

That COC shirt! 🤟

[@thebluesrockers]

The Brazilian Wax "Killed" hair metal. Then all the dudes with sideburns around their package, created "Grunge" If you don't believe me, ask Grace Slick! hahaha