{Love In Paradise} REACTION - Epic the Musical WISDOM Saga Part 4

[@boonAlina]

By the way, the reason I didn't have a reaction to the "I'm not your man" is because I had already heard that snippet before. I saw the post Jorge made where he acted out the song on an actual beach, so uh yeah. If you were wondering why I wasn't surprised well that's why 😅

[@kittycatzuka]

Fun fact, calypso doesn't just reference Polites during that scene She also calls him "Ody" like Eurylochus did And did a callback to his mom by saying "I'll stay inside your heart" which is similar to Anticlea's line in the Underword Calypso unknowingly triggered memories of the three people whose deaths haunt him the most. And it's why I love that scene so much, because of how accurately it portrays his ptsd and the fact that even a simple innocent phrase can bring back traumatic memories for someone. It's no wonder he tried to drown out their voices by screaming, or why he was om the ledge to begin with. He didn't want to remember. He didn't want to feel the pain and grief anymore.

[@boonAlina]

Yeah, I noticed her saying "Ody" and I was gonna comment saying 'Keep that nickname out your mouth!' but I had already made that joke for the Open Arms bit lol. But wow, I didn't notice her referencing the mother's bit 😲

[@tyrinstale9382]

​@@boonAlina what's with the hate on Calypso she's not a mean or bad person not a villain he's just want to love and be loved and have fun she even cares for him whats with the stink face towards her I'm confused everyone seems to hate her like I know what she's doing but I'm vibing

[@boonAlina]

@tyrinstale9382 In the Odyssey she basically r*pes him through out the whole seven years. And she also purposely keeps him trapped there when he just wanted to leave. I don't know if Jorge changed that, but considering Ody was so miserable that he wanted to die, I'm guessing it wasn't all that great. Plus, in the Odyssey, apparently he cried every day for those seven years, and Calypso still refused to let him go. I'll only give her sympathy if it's 100% confirmed that she didn't r*pe him in Epic. Or if it's 100% confirmed that she was forced to keep him there. (Also, not to mention she keeps throwing herself onto him and saying "you're mine" when he clearly doesn't want or consent to that.)

[@boomgirlbucko]

​@tyrinstale9382 To put it shortly, she's a victim that _became_ the predator.

[@NomNommies]

@@boonAlina Supposedly in the actual greek mythologies, Calypso's father Atlas did something to be punished, and Calypso herself was punished as well, hence why she's trapped on that island forever. I mean nothing condones what she did but she HAS been there for a very long time, that'd definitely make someone insane. Plus she was cursed to fall in love with anyone that made their way onto it, so she might also be in the wrong as she's not really in control, but regardless she did bad crap. I'm also pretty sure Calypso didn't r*pe him in Epic, so I'll settle for constant attempts at hand-holding lmao.

[@boomgirlbucko]

Calypso used to be seen as like a "Greek Girl boss" but now that what she did is being seen through a modern lense, people are waking up lol.

[@plaguedoctor2882]

I think we are all wising up to Greek myths haha, like you know the initial “Zeus nice guy Hades bad guy” to “Zeus is a player and Hades is a cinnamon roll” to outright “These people are metaphors and very questionable, even my fave” It’s really cool how a lot of people are also seeing like “the other side” like Monster explained Polyphemus, Circe and even the Syrens, Scylla and Poseidon have a lot of damn reasons to harm him, like none of them are GOOD people but you get why they went like they did Hope we get the same for Calypso, you telling me being completely isolated on an island UNABLE TO DIE wouldn’t drive you insane?

[@xano2921]

​@@plaguedoctor2882she raped Odysseus, so...

[@erickalas9225]

Not the “I’m f…ed” “literally” Lmaooooooo😂

[@stardust1815]

You should've seen us shouting "Captain!!" when the stream cut. It was hilarious.

[@boomgirlbucko]

@@stardust1815 We can still see it. The chat replay is still there

[@boonAlina]

I think I vaguely remember seeing that. Cuz the chats still show up if you go back

[@devinwhite5064]

Whoever typed "Why would you let KZbin ban the stream when ruthlessness is mercy?" made my night.

[@OzziesLittleFroggie]

@@devinwhite5064whoever commented this sent me 😂 KZbin: we gotta cut the stream Us: but we'll d*e KZbin: I know

[@devinwhite5064]

@@OzziesLittleFroggie hahaha

[@boonAlina]

Not me unintentionally predicting that Anticlea's (mother's) motif was gonna show up when I said 'waiting!' 😅

[@malenejensen02]

Oh just you wait for the last saga... Is that a spoiler? Oh shit sorry... Should I post this? Probably not... But I want to... Bro just dont think about it.

[@boonAlina]

​@@malenejensen02 The Ithaca saga?

[@OzziesLittleFroggie]

I can't blame Odysseus.... He went through so much and he even sacrificed his remaining crew to get home.... Only to get trapped with Calypso who's constantly harassing him and he can't use his wits to get out... It would drive anyone mad 😢

[@auraa411]

THE FIRST PERSON SHORTER THAN HIM

[@boonAlina]

Lol 😅

[@boonAlina]

For people wondering why I don't like Calypso, basically, in the Odyssey, she r*pes him over the seven years that he's there. And Odysseus cried every day for those seven years. Plus, in this song, she implies that they're trapped there because of HER spell. Implying that she is purposely keeping Odysseus there and keeping him miserable. Not to mention she is just not respecting the fact that he has a wife and continuously tells her to get away. I like Epic Circe, but I don't like Odyssey Circe. Depending on what's confirmed, I _may_ like Epic Calypso in the future, but for now, I'm assuming he didn't change much from the Odyssey. And I don't like Odyssey Calypso. Her singing voice is beautiful, her character is very interesting, but as a person? Nope. I personally have a strong fear of being trapped so I know that if I were in Ody's shoes I'd feel super miserable too. It's okay for y'all to like her, I'm not saying it's bad to. Liking a character does not equal condoning their actions. Hell, I like Eurylochus and Ody, does that mean I condone their actions? Hell no. But ANYWAY! Until it is confirmed what exactly she did to him in the Epic version, I'm gonna just play it safe and not like her. Because a woman forcing herself upon a man, especially a woman who's a GODDESS, is just as unacceptable as if a man to do that to a woman.

[@boomgirlbucko]

I'm glad you said the thing about how liking a character doesn't mean you condone their actions. I mean, I like Emporer Belos, does that mean I enjoy mads genocide and religious manipulation? Obviously not. But his character is still cool.

[@stardust1815]

Even if she doesn’t r*pe him in this version, she’s sexually harassing him at *best*. He keeps saying no, he has a wife he’s not a pet etc and she keeps ignoring his boundaries. Like I know Epic!Circe wasn’t actually intending to sleep with him but I like her way more because even if her trying to seduce him was acting, she actually stopped and didn’t, you know, keep him trapped there for years. She seems to genuinely respect Ody’s love for Penelope. (Which is also why I feel weird when people say that these versions of Circe and Calypso would be friends. Like at least this version of Circe is implied to have been assaulted in the past and this Calypso may or may not be a rapist so… Like no shade to people’s headcanons it just feels off to me). Yeah I like this version of Calypso, I like her song, but I still wanna str*ngle her. 😅

[@stardust1815]

Even if she doesn't r*pe Odysseus in this version, she's sexually harassing him at *best*. He keeps saying no, he has a wife he's not a a pet etc and she keeps ignoring his boundaries. To the point where he was literally thinking about comitting su*cide. Like I know Epic!Circe was acting when she was trying to "seduce" Ody, but the fact that she actually stopped and helped him get home with no strings attached makes me like her way more than Calypso. She seemed to truly respect the love he had for Penelope whereas Calypso? Nah she doesn't care about that and it's creepy as hell. (This is also why I feel a little weird when people headcanon that these versions of Calypso and Circe would be friends. No shade to people's headcanons and I get that they are both beautiful sorceresses/goddesses who live on islands and are similar in a few ways, but this version of Circe is at least implied to have been assaulted herself. So I don't know if I could see her being friends with someone like Calypso). I hate Odyssey and Epic!Calypso (She's probably one of my least favorite characters so far next to Antinous) I love her song, but man do I want to str*ngle her. 😅

[@stardust1815]

Ugh also the line where she says "You're adorable, bow down now to the immortal Calypso" is the line I find to be the creepiest and yet it's the one line that gets stuck in my head.

[@boomgirlbucko]

@@stardust1815 I don't think you need to censor the word strangle 😅

[@vismaykedilaya1318]

athena says in god games "never once has he cheated on his wife" so i think whatever calypso tried to do to him failed. As for odysseus's suicidality, i think it's more so bc of ptsd and survivor's guilt from thunder saga

[@penguin50279]

rape isn’t cheating so no, calypso could’ve definitely still done whatever she wanted.

[@boomgirlbucko]

I heard Calypso had invisible servants that could've made it a lot easier to r*pe him.

[@everythingisvision]

Her raping him isn’t him cheating.

[@boomgirlbucko]

Even if it is for a different reason, it's still sad af that he's even considering suicide

[@omarsalem1219]

She doesn't do anything to him in the musical, next saga has a song that makes us feel for her and jay obviously won't write a song like that for someone who does that , I know what she does in the odyssey but that doesn't happen in epic she is a different character here

[@bagszi]

I'm pretty sure that Epic's Calypso is much different than the original and it absolutely wouldn't surprise me if it turns out that this calypso never forced him into bed. I mean there are some clues about it, one being Athena's claim that he never cheated on his wife, there were also a song snippet where Odysseus lies to Calypso and say something like "I know my attitude was jarring all these years, but i think i want more than a just meal tonight" - although i have no idea if it will stay in Vengence Saga or it was cut, but it does show that Jorge intended to not make Calypso a rpst. Also the 'I'm not sorry for loving you" song is almost entirely out and it just shows how lonely and actually in love Calypso is... And sure she is a goddess who kept Odysseus from leaving the island or dying --- which is the reason Ody is so misarable, since from his point of view all he sacraficed was meaningless because he cannot get home, but he can't even kill himself to end his misery and guilt, since Calypso don't want him to die. - but imagine being stuck on an island and then someone arrived and you fell in love and there is everything there to make you two happy, but instead him accepting this you have to keep him alive since he is so a broken mess, then the gods just tells you to let him go home, because we changed our mind and he suffered enough. Who cares about you being alone again and heartbroken? Noone cared about it before his arrival either! (Meanwhile all the other gods have luxury and freedome to fck anyone they fancy! :D) Anyway, i don't think this version of Calypso deserves the hate, just like Epic's version of Circe. They both have their reasons of why they did what they did and we can see more into their point of views in their songs. One of the things i like about this musical, it makes a lot of compelling arguement for each sides in majority of the situations. Yet we still see winions hating on Eurylochus or Calypso. I mean, even from the point of view of the Polyphemus is more understandable in Epic! A bunch of people went into his home, killed his favorite sheep, offered (drugged) wine in exchange, joked about his eye and then he attacked them so they blinded him and robbed him, then even lectured him for it.

[@creamdensada6769]

Even when odysseus left she still cared for him and gave him stuff to aid in his journey, Im actually glad she got freed from her curse when leo rescued her. Now she has her own partner.

[@bagszi]

@@creamdensada6769 In Hyginus's Fabulae she just ends herself after letting Odysseus go home... :(

[@xano2921]

​@@creamdensada6769Percy's Jackson ain't Odyssey

[@malenejensen02]

Where is part 5?

[@boonAlina]

It'll be out in a second

[@boomgirlbucko]

@malenejensen02 You couldn't wait a few hours?? 💀

[@boonAlina]

@@boomgirlbucko I guess my reactions are just _,that_ good 😏

[@hordelord4759]

Underworld ah that cute. Sadly not

[@boonAlina]

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[@smexdaxtrooolol6643]

I just say its kinda unfair as a professional know it all In Mythologie Calypso was cursed to fall in love with the dudes that came to her island and she couldn’t leave either they where trapped together not her trying to stockholsyndrom Odisseus But whatever Awesome song

[@boomgirlbucko]

It's not her choice to fall in love but it IS her choice to r*pe him. She herself kept him trapped there and she alone _chose_ to r*pe him. Edit: Also it's "mythology"

[@richards5855]

Ok but tragic curse or not she’s still an abuser. Like you can be in love with someone and not force them into a relationship with you, or coerce them into emotional intimacy, or rape them. Lets not downplay the fact that Odysseus is a victim and is being abused just because the interpretation being used here of Calypso is the one struck with a love potion cursed.

[@boomgirlbucko]

@@richards5855 Exactly

[@creaturesoul4469]

Calypso being cursed to fall in love is something that comes from the Percy Jackson books not the original mythology. In the original mythology it's her choice to keep him trapped there for 7 years and Zeus has to send Hermes down to make her let him go.