Love Is Blind S7 #58 - (Manipulated) - Therapist Reacts

[@motherofdragonthiswagon2527]

A therapist saying "I dont care. Take it to your therapist." is incredible 😂

[@lgeogheg]

😂😂😂 A Dr. Kirk we’ve never seen

[@lanceareadbhar]

It's really good advice honestly.

[@delagonz4295]

The best thing on tv

[@oksanaml9279]

"Is this what The Ick feels like?" 😂

[@Nunofyabizzzzz]

He’s soooo fed up with her!

[@delagonz4295]

“I don’t care, stuff it, take it to your therapist” EPIC

[@MathPiHanan]

I think Nick not wanting to look bad during their last conversation is a fair request given how Hannah ridiculed him most of the time! Her outing him for such request is another indication of her _disrespect & disregard_ of him!

[@Nunofyabizzzzz]

I’m not even a min in and I’ve never seen Dr. Kirk react like this! 😂😂😂 this is gold

[@LeandroVelez7]

Dr. Honda’s face when he’s watching Hannah speak. 🤨 Exactly what we all feel. Lol

[@Ria-wq9gu]

I dont think I've seen his face this expressive 😂😂

[@lanceareadbhar]

In all honesty, I think he's handled Hannah so well. So many people thought he was letting her off the hook or would be saying different things if Nick said the same things earlier. We do have to treat these people as characters on a TV Show and not real people, but his judgment regarding what he is seeing is so educational in terms of examples regarding what not to do and if you know someone that does these things to push them to look inward and consider therapy as your perception can be distorted, but that can change if you want it to.

[@jenmojop8347]

Yes!

[@reyfin4922]

Its so interesting to see a healthy person's reaction to what is so normal to me vecause my mother was exactly like her. Feels very validating and healing.

[@SwitchBlade180]

My mother was verbally abusive, as well. Watching Hannah talk to Nick gives me the same visceral reaction as though I was listening to my own mother.

[@MaybeitsclusterB]

I'm sorry Hun. I wish you had a better Mother. (((Hugs))))

[@_inmyhead]

my parents as well. which is why ive thought the whole time that hannah was treated this way by her parents too. because no one just randomly grows up this way in a loving household im convinced haha

[@cestmarrant1]

my mother was more subtle, but just as deadly

[@imthinkingthoughts]

Yeah this is sooo normal to me I barely reacted and yet Kirk has such a massive visceral reaction to it. Really highlights the difference between people with different levels of previous trauma especially during upbringing

[@meredithjackson7973]

This is the most triggering conversation I have seen in a long time. Hearing Dr. Kirk’s reaction is so validating that this is abuse and it is not ok. Thanks

[@dysmissme7343]

It was physically painful for me to watch, I kept closing the episode and coming back 😬

[@gabrielaseltzer]

Loved the part of "I have the ick. Is this how the ick feels?" right there with you dr Honda

[@lexis_legacy]

she really thought calling him out by saying "you didn't wanna look bad" was gonna make the fans of the show love her. i think she really thought the edit she would get is a strong independent woman who has boundaries and doesn't put up with anything. so she convinced herself of a certain look that manifested into whatever tf this conversation is. talk about delusional.

[@Mel-oe3dw]

Just like she did on the reunion

[@dysmissme7343]

She wants that to be her soooo badly 😭 But we al watched her tear this man to pieces and refuse to even acknowledge his suffering

[@hannahaguirre2972]

😂😂😂Dr. Honda this reaction is gold “use a jewelers magnifying glass to turn it and inspect your behavior”… I laughed so hard .

[@LovingFlowers]

Right?!? 🤣🙌🏾

[@marie4_4]

I appreciate you leaving space for Nick's flaws while clarifying that they don't justify her behavior to him. I don't condone anyone bullying her online, or justifying her abuse of him because he has some maturing to do. Both takes miss some pretty important elements, and I think you do a good job of parsing out the layers.

[@carolinereeve5747]

And this is her behavior knowing millions of people will watch this. Big yikes

[@sparksflylove]

Imagine how awful she is when she isn’t being filmed…

[@jaylee5669]

@@sparksflylovebad enough that the other women from the show pretty much stop being friends with her now 😬

[@Jen_nifer99]

Yeah it’s international tv. These Americans forget that the *entire* world can watch this

[@manda_d]

I really appreciate all the time Dr. Honda has spent reacting to Hannah and Nick this season. Hannah is the most like my own Mother we've seen on the show to date. I've learned a lot from his reactions to Zanab and Chelsea (and their distortions and potential attachment issues) in the past. But this season regarding Hannah and how he explained his hypothesis about her in #34 just clicks so much for me with my mom. She also was "abandoned" in her teens and had to grow up fast. Her mom/my grandma passed away and her Dad remarried and moved away. She had to help take care of her younger blind sibling as well (who she often treated openly and resentfully as a burden). She married my Dad at 22 (he was 28) and they stayed married for 20 unhappy years. My mom always had a list of ways he was immature and incompetent. She also does this to everyone around her - she revels in telling stories that berate or humiliate others (might be framed by some as gossip)-but the goal of her stories/gossip is always to demonstrate or imply her own superiority. Cheers, appreciate the commentary! I feel like I have really learned a lot.

[@DeMinimusMs]

One big thing that bothered me throughout the WHOLE season, including the reunion is that NO ONE called Hannah out on being a TERRIBLE person. People were sticking up up for her as if someone who is abusive to one person is absolutely fine because hey, they're nice to me. NO. How are there so many people who are on her side?? Theory: Hannah does this to everyone who is connected to her. She demeans them and berates them until they feel like they're so LUCKY when she's nice to them or says something nice to them, instead of realizing she never should have the opportunity to do it in the beginning. A person who knows who they are and is confident in who they are (most people her age are not, btw) would NEVER take the way she talks to people.

[@oksanaml9279]

And don't forget how utterly sweet and charming she was to Nick's parents. To the point that his Dad said that Nick could leave and she could move in. That is some masterful manipulation.

[@Sunnyday069]

But they are going off of only her side. That’s what you have to remember is you only see a fraction of who people are. She keeps it surface, laughs and complains, she’s able to keep it going for short periods of time. “I wasn’t able to be fun me!!” we got to see what was in her shadows because of the cameras. None of her friends see these angles of her. They hear her side of the story “he’s manipulative”. It’s not hard to miss this in passing or even in acquaintances.

[@alyssakennedy2250]

I agree Her brother, her mom, even Marissa said she is rude to them and hard to deal with yet they still want to be around her walking on eggshells

[@Sunnyday069]

@@oksanaml9279this 💯

[@Sough]

What was Marissa doing?? Let alone the hosts. Awful.

[@kimmi2662]

I'm so glad you seeing this situation for what it is. Hannah's treatment of Nick far overshadowed any shortcomings he may have had. The notebook, facial expressions and that list would have had me running for the hills.

[@reyfin4922]

If i was him i would be worried about how my parents and friends were going to see me being abused on tv. He may have been ashamed, like many victims are. She is the one who needs to be ashamed, not him :(

[@Youokhun]

I hope he can even see the abuse for what it was, and hope that he doesn’t internalise her words and let it affect his self esteem 😢 she was so so cruel

[@khai4202]

Watching you is so validating this is exactly how I felt… Ouff can’t wait to see your take on the reunion

[@Shawacha]

My exact thoughts

[@rocla9452]

“I don’t think he has enough walls” 😂

[@jclyntoledo]

Facts

[@ErikaWood]

You saying the things one COULD healthfully say in these crazy-making scenarios is why I’m a member and a patron. Thank you thank you thank you. You’re reaching back and making sense out of some really confusing experiences I’ve been through. And that’s quite literally priceless. Such a deal Dr. H!!

[@Cai_saN]

Yes! 👏

[@ashleym7083]

I really really pray that Nick sees these videos and gets some validation 😟

[@brittanywitmartin4024]

i've been having trouble figuring out why exactly it is that hannah makes me want to claw my eyes out, and i think part of it (just ONE small part of it) is how she speaks as if her word is final and is the ONLY true thing in the entire universe. she speaks with such conviction, condescension, and has to be one of the least curious people i've ever seen on this show. i do not like people who seem to have lost their curiosity. she just assumes she knows herself ("i'm just direct, i'm a bitch, i'm just telling the truth, and if you don't like it, too bad", etc) and knows nick SO well and seems to be so angry that he's ~so predictable~. it's pretty disgusting behavior, allowing no room for mistakes or learning.

[@stella444]

i was so triggered watching her and i realized it was because she reminds me so much of a relative of mine. Seeing other's reactions was so validating because I never allowed myself to feel that way out of guilt.

[@payasanicolasa]

In light of the reunion, I think your hypothesis around her trying to goad a reaction is on point! So excited to hear your perspective on the things she says in the reunion!

[@ashleyw.6702]

🤣🤣🤣 "I don't care. Take it to your therapist."

[@annie8742]

This was so upsetting to watch. Hannah never had the thought, how would I feel if someone I thought loved me talked to me this way and thought of me like this. I’m sure she would be crushed. Just because he chooses to live more simply than she does doesn’t mean he is irresponsible at all. He is responsible in what he prioritizes. His career, his family and friends, he chose a cat because it was less demanding. Sounds pretty damn responsible to me to know your limits and priorities.

[@mohmohlante5809]

This was really validating to hear a therapist's reactions to this conversation. I was abused and manipulated constantly in a relationship for 5 years in a very similar way.

[@madsylen1483]

It's so reasurring to see Dr Kirk Honda react this way. 🥵

[@oksanaml9279]

Right? We waited and waited for him to catch up to us, and now we can exhale.

[@darter81]

“Meanwhile, there’s no dartboard. She’s just flinging shit at the wall.” 😂 🎯

[@tracydye2308]

There were so many quotable lines from Dr Kirk in this video and this was one of my faves 😂

[@jonahferguson5965]

Another perspective on the Duck scene is that he could already feel her tendency towards control and manipulation, and it was him trying to act out and assert his individuality, especially when she was being insulting

[@Cai_saN]

Yeah, that was what I was thinking too. But then he got so much shit from it he was ”put in place” and didn’t do any more of that.

[@kisaamorris4563]

When Nick says maybe he could have done better...i think this is the mindset of a Sportsperson, how to analyse loss and how to perform better next time... essentially.

[@julieenzo6557]

I also thought he approached the whole issue like an athlete and maybe that is why he accepted the dynamic of learning, growing or being taught things.

[@RenayOpish]

This is an I treating angle- it IS that mindset, always striving and some coaching styles are super critical…might be why he stayed in it.

[@jennas4281]

I didn’t think about it from this angle. That makes a lot of sense

[@ChelseaSeachel]

that makes so much sense!

[@UrbanCommentBot]

As a traumatized, abused, codependent person, I have had many ppl in my life like her. The internalized rejection then made me show up like Nick, freezing and fawning to ppl please and survive the moment. I carried so much shame about myself because I kept repeating the same abuse cycles that I didn’t know how to "win". No matter how many times I tried to defeat my demons, these kind of ppl always seemed to have my key. After years into my healing journey, I know now that these ppl are not battles for me to win or opportunities to prove my worthiness. I know now the win is to leave these ppl IMMEDIATELY and give them no access to me. My worthiness is not in changing them or winning the debate, it's knowing I don't deserve it and setting thousand mile boundaries. God speed to the Nicks of the world. No one deserve this.

[@Youokhun]

Her face says it all, she has no care at all in her eyes for him

[@estherwright2068]

Oh and the condescending smug pursed lips!! So yucky! 🦆

[@Sunnyday069]

I see contempt.

[@pinksalmon9882]

Dr. Honda just validated decades of my trauma of being a busy kid who was signed up to many extracurricular schools and classes but had NO TIME to discover who she was or what she liked. Thank you 😢

[@Chikorita2Chante]

Is she envious of Nick's relationship with his family and just... taking it out on him?

[@delagonz4295]

Was Nick looking for fame? Yes Was he abused? Also yes Could Hannah tap out after she heard his comments and outed him? Absolutely, but that’s not what happened. Many things can be true at once. Excusing abuse is not appropriate.

[@oksanaml9279]

I'm thinking they probably had an agreement to fake it as far as they could.

[@cooky9192]

She was looking even more for fame I feel. If you give up your job before entering and her action during and after shows it

[@meganchristinadunn]

Nick said “I was willing to give it my all until the last possible minute and then make that decision,” and he also said, “she was worried I was going to say no at the altar. I would never have done that.“ If my interpretation is correct, he meant that he wanted to try to make the relationship work until the last minute, but he would have talked to her before the altar if he wasn’t planning to say yes. Does that make sense??

[@jclyntoledo]

You aren't allowed to talk before the altar like on the day of the wedding. Couple in the past said they would have code words or have to send msgs through family members.

[@me-rg2ln]

He said that's what he meant in an interview

[@delagonz4295]

I watched this scene raw dog and it triggered the shit out of me sooo much that I called my bff and told her, I know Dr. Honda will be triggered. Netflix should’ve put a trigger warning before this episode. It was the worst thing I’ve watched on tv in terms of reality and manipulation

[@LightningSt0rm]

Netflix should have someone on set to pull people out of abuse that goes this far. He got to a point where we genuinely believed he was inferior to her and he didn't deserve better. This was the sickest thing Love is Blind has ever showed (which is impressive after Chelsea last season).

[@ssylvin]

And you’re so spot on about these kids just grabbing words and phrases from TikTok that sound attractive to them, but don’t really make sense in context.

[@ShaneJao]

Oh wow😮 !!! This has been my favorite therapist reaction to the Hannah/Nick situation I’ve seen to date !!!

[@partialartsblackbelt8384]

I laughed out loud when he said I have the ick lol

[@opocoyo]

Validating to see Dr Kirk react like this. I found it so difficult to watch. Literally watching someone get abused

[@LeandroVelez7]

Her whole persona, at least what we’ve been shown, is built on being superior to him. She’s the one that can’t see him properly from that distance. She’s doesn’t even have a glimmer of awareness around her issues so how can she.

[@smartmarketing173]

That poor man was close to tears; he’s so emotionally beaten down. This scene filled me with rage. My POV is She’s an abuser and he’s a doormat. But she tried SO hard to get him to look like a villain. Why? Can’t they just part amicably? What’s wrong with her (aside from thinking that big dumb sweater thing looks sooo chic)😅?! How did we get here?!

[@flyygurl18]

Thank you for all the extra details you find out about the show; it really adds depth to your videos on it 🖖

[@sayan9566]

I cannot wait to hear about your thoughts on the reunion!!!

[@Jen_nifer99]

14:36 oh damn 😂😂😂😂 Dr. Honda’s face. I’ve never seen him make this face before wow.

[@busterfly131]

I was losing it laughing - so relatable

[@zimtapfel]

I think the hard part about watching this is that we can’t do anything about it. We can’t interfere. That’s what drives me crazy in this scene. The things I want to say and do! And instead I have to sit here and watch her feeling so superior and wise. I totally understand that this triggers people to go and leave nasty comments on her profile. And no, I don’t approve of that nor have I ever done it but I understand the urge to do it.

[@Youokhun]

I had high hopes for the reunion to get some “closure” as a viewer

[@zimtapfel]

@@YouokhunYup. Same here. *sigh*

[@sammielisabeth4928]

I love that Dr K is just DONE with Hannahs crap 😂😂😂

[@Saya_562]

You know you messed up when Dr. Kirk is upset with your behavior, like a disappointed dad 😂

[@katherineplackett5600]

Nick will find someone so much better. We all have flaws. He seems like a genuinely kind loving person. We all have to find ourselves and it’s hard. He deserves so much better.

[@autumnmaddox4059]

hannah wanted to reject nick the whole time she just needed to make it his fault so she doesnt look shallow for not being attracted to him, if she was attracted to him all these small things would not seem enormous to her albeit theyd still be part of the discussion

[@danielletidd]

The validation we feel knowing Dr. Kirk is as disgusted by Hannah’s behavior as we are. Literally choking himself listening to her speak. Felt that

[@ColdDaveball]

I audibly snort-gasped when Hannah said SHE felt manipulated?! Sorry? What?! Sorry

[@ruthielalastor2209]

Man, we really needed someone from the Love is Blind cast to clap back at Hannah. No one gave her the same energy she served. That's why the audience is so mad. No accountability.

[@Sough]

I feel like Taylor could have been that person but just didn't deem it worthwhile

[@sobrashy]

This might be an ultra specific request, but maybe others have noticed it too! you often have the video centered on a pink at the bottom gradient background- when I have the KZbin app open I am trying to see what videos I’ve already watched and the pink background looks like the bottom view status bar! (On a video I’ve already seen, the bar at the bottom turns red to indicate how far in the video I’ve gone) (with the half pink and show thumbnail it is hard to tell if I’ve seen half of the video for instance) I love your videos but please could you consider a different color at least for the area near the bottom of the gradient so that it’s easier for people to differentiate at a glance what they have seen and what they haven’t yet seen? :)

[@kfiggis]

Thanks for watching this one. It felt so perplexing how cruel this break up was.

[@kyrab5828]

As painful as this was to watch, thank you!!

[@iSharShar]

I wonder if she's been socialized (being that she's so young) to challenge the man she's with to the point that he lashes out or makes some declaration .. and that somehow that's what love and passion is? Because he's been so patient, and that seems to be driving her to being angry with him because it doesn't fit some script she might have seen on social media.

[@sara.3042]

Poor Dr. Kirk. You're going to hate the reunion....it's brutal!

[@Aixza]

I was astounded! Astounded at the deadness in this person. How do you treat someone so poorly, because of your own insecurities? Because… there is no reason to treat anyone this way. It literally disgusted me🤮 I just can’t. Wait till he watches the reunionz

[@KJ-jd5ko]

Finally a therapist saying what we were all feeling is true and real lol

[@msmendes214]

10:10 she thinks she's going to get the "good edit" by pointing this out because she sees nick not wanting to face his failures & his shortcomings in the relationship as manipulation & deception. She thinks it's proof to her opinion on him being "immature & delusional"

[@Youokhun]

I think she was the one with a game plan, quitting her job and on her weight loss journey - she thought she’d come off as the hero of the show with the “good edit” and with this big weight reveal, and she’d be the most famous 😬 all in my opinion of course 😂

[@joanna0988]

@@Youokhun She is getting her way though, all the hate comments drive views on her platforms, she has an agent and I'm pretty sure she's going on Perfect Match.

[@Youokhun]

@I saw people say she’s paid per comment and view so the best thing to do is not even go to her (or anyone you don’t support) social medias! Bug it’s crazy how much she was projecting into Nick, clearly she wanted fame not him - we don’t see him doing interviews and uploading to social media, but she sure is going for fame with a talent manager and all

[@Youokhun]

If I was Nick I’d also be worried about how she was going to abuse me on camera as a breakup 😢 if I were him i wouldn’t have even shown up, and did a private camera interview instead. But I guess he didn’t have support to see her abuse. You could say he was the one with the rose coloured glasses not Hannah

[@darter81]

Why anyone thinks that someone would WANT to be on international TV and “look bad” is beyond me

[@hannahaguirre2972]

She’s taking off her “rose colored glasses”… how much more ironic does this get ?

[@Sough]

Even the Hannah's don't support Hannah 😂

[@hannahaguirre2972]

@ oh most definitely not this one 🤣. I actually mentioned on one of the first Hannah episodes that I was embarrassed for my name to be Hannah at the moment . I got over it 😄

[@ChelseaSeachel]

@@hannahaguirre2972i totally get that. the whole chelsea thing made me a little uneasy lolll

[@laulauk]

Thank you for this reaction Dr. Kirk! I was not expecting you to get the "ick" but very validating 😆. I hope Nick sees this and has some background knowledge about you doctor, so he knows how unusual this reaction is from you. Such poor treatment of another human being💔😡.

[@ssylvin]

Thanks for the disclaimer saying not to bother these people. It’s crazy to me that people go to their socials to harass the cast. Even Laura- the bane of my existence last season I can’t even fathom going after

[@joyous1011]

After watching this scene again, Im soooooo curious how Hannah and Tim would've worked out???? Their breakup scenes are sooo similar, their personalities and the need to control the narrative is so similar, their desire to have smug passive banter with their partner is so similar. It would either be the perfect match or a complete disaster, which is BOTH good tv.😂

[@ChristinaMcLain]

They would never have been together. Bullies like Hannah and Tim nearly always find someone who can be pushed around and who they can dominate. Even if Nick did say things about Hannah's looks, his behavior pales in comparison with hers. I think she is an awful, mean person.

[@bluchu22]

She accused him of worrying about his image and yet SHE is the one who asked for a hug at the end. Make it make sense!

[@vida.r]

Am I the only one who hates when she says "nick" when she talks to him?

[@jahnavi9082]

I hate it too. Actually, she gives me the ick.

[@tracydye2308]

I was listening to this in my car and BUSTED OUT LAUGHING when Dr Kirk said “I have the ick” 😂

[@shatzoren1]

Hannah is judgemental which makes Nick hide himself, which makes her judgemental towards him personally, which makes him fear her personally and hide himself personally from her. In this kind of dynamics Hannah would be correct to indicate his absent respect, not towards her but towards himself. He should have ejected himself from the situation.

[@angelart73]

It makes sense that he played the role of “student” and found a “teacher” for a partner. His parents said that they had the same dynamic and that his dad had to learn a lot from his mom. Too bad for Nick that abuser came along with “teacher.”

[@lilacw]

To hear Dr. Honda's reactions give me a degree of catharsis.

[@Lily_2000]

This scene made me so mad 😫😑

[@Zwantceeto]

24:35 Nailed it. I tend to be that way when with very slow and passive partners. I hate it but it's a subconscious way to make them react and stand for themselves.

[@dearbh1736]

I think the reason why she ended the conversation by asking him 'How do you feel' was because after absolutely everything she had put him through during the entire relationship this was her last hurrah. After the way she went about systematically taking him apart during the break up, she needed the ending for him to be hurt and broken hearted over losing her to prove, yet again, in her own mind how superior she was to him and feel totally justified about how and why she ended things. I'm guessing she was a little bit underwhelmed by it only being the 'worst day of his life' but not the end of his world 😅

[@SoftChroma]

This is hard to watch so I’m glad you are here to help us get through it 😅

[@Scuggie3]

This reaction is everything! Can’t stop laughing. Dr. Honda is all of us. 😂

[@thebowandbullet]

I know someone who was married to a woman like this. Even after the divorce, she hasn't stopped being abusive.

[@alexislopez2736]

I disagree with the doc when he said that he should be more emotionally in the relationship, he was at the beginning but hannah would just belittle him and shame him for anything and anytime he was expressing him self so of course he would shut it down so he wouldn't get bullied, and the last moments when hannah said how do you feel after saying they weren't getting married, he knew if he said good or ok she would try anything to make him feel bad so she can feel good. Because to her, it would be an insult if he didn't feel bad for losing her.

[@Wezza182]

When I first saw him say “she thought I was gonna say no at the altar, and I would never do that” I too thought that meant he was gonna say yes, but I watched an interview with him and he said that he was gonna break up with her before they got to the altar if it was a no - so my take now is that what he meant was he was never gonna say no at the altar because he was never gonna get to the altar in the first place

[@Duckduckobtusegoose]

My interpretation of that is that if he was a no, he wouldn’t humiliate her at the altar and rather communicate that beforehand

[@roxanaa.8048]

I think she decided to cut it off at that point because she’s so insecure (among a lot of things) and she felt she’d not look good modeling the wedding dress in front of everybody. Typical Hanna. 🤮🤮🤮

[@Culturalgoddesses]

The problem is that Nick wasn’t out to EMBARRASS Hannah but Hannah was out to embarrass him.

[@DeMinimusMs]

A sign that Hannah likely has NPD is that she behaves this way on camera. People who have NPD don't have the ability to feel empathy so they literally don't understand how they/their behaviors come across to other people which is why it's so easy for her to act like this in front of an international audience. She literally doesn't understand that most people are disgusted/horrified by this behavior.

[@samanthas8340]

Well, it's not that they don't have empathy. Empathy is on a spectrum and something Dr. Honda has mentioned is how empathy for certain individuals is often stunted or underdeveloped. They're not void of empathy but may be somewhat cut off, which isn't the same as lacking in self awareness (which appears to be Hannah's issue). To me, I view this as similar to someone with severe depression or addiction. It's not that they don't have empathy but their mental illness can get in the way to where they become very self-centered but the less symptomatic they are the more likely we're to find the empathy for others underneath. We've had a guest on this channel with ASD talk about how they learn empathy intellectually so they can be very very skilled at knowing how they come across, perhaps as a protective mask to not be identified as different from others. Another phenomenon I've come across is how many people on this spectrum may love and take really good care of their pets but don't show targets of abuse the same respect. Weird to think about since others or horrendously brutal to animals as a trademark but those individuals make up a very tiny percentage of the population.

[@annie_charcheologist]

@@samanthas8340can you clarify what ASD is?

[@samanthas8340]

@@annie_charcheologist sorry I meant antisocial personality disorder (ASPD) 😅

[@annie_charcheologist]

@@samanthas8340 thank you. I kinda figured but then…who knows, people throw around clinical terms and soon everything loses its meaning.

[@Sunnyday069]

Bingo, baby!!! The gaslighting, the love bombing of the parents. I would almost consider psychopath, honestly. The brutal ways she would pick at him. I question her sanity. Her parents did seem shell shocked. I thought they were maybe hiding abuse by the mother but that also can create the environment for NPD.

[@estherwright2068]

Thank you Dr Kirk!!

[@vulpitzza01]

Dr. Kirk in pain 😂

[@msfancypaints]

I did check their socials to see if they're different when they have full editorial control. Leo is having a lovely redemption arc. He is hilarious and very likable on social media - I really didn't like him on the show, but he seems like a sweet person IRL. Hannah... not so much.

[@PotatoesGaochiaThoj]

I am living for these

[@Jowoart6960]

😂😂 I’m in tears!! “Is this what the ick feels like?” Hahaha asked with so much sincerity! Hahahahaha

[@ambuhwuh]

Always love your takes! You called it exactly how I saw it.

[@milenabrouwer-milovanovic8556]

Hannah projected all her bad qualities on Nick and then sacrificed him 🥲 I wouldn’t be surprised it felt great to her.

[@sofia-ot3dv]

Can’t wait for you to see the reunion Dr. Honda! Crazy to think how well your analysis is 😮

[@miachewe]

I feel Kirk’s pain so much. It makes you want to grind your teeth just watching this. I wish I was sitting in on Hannah and Nick’s conversations just so I could check her. She’s so emotionless here. She’s very condescending and doesn’t care whatsoever how she is hurting him. It seriously disgusts me.

[@JayBeckah]

YES YES YES. It bothers me so much that the filming crew didn't intervene. If this were even remotely an actual "experiment" they would be checking in with their "subjects". EDIT: It's not even that actually. If feelings of humanity trumped job security & the bottom line, any person upon witnessing this scene would feel *compelled* to say something.

[@grace.1123]

She never even sounds upset or actually hurt when she’s saying “I feel manipulated” in her solo interviews. Just her chin up looking at him like she’s his judgmental teacher or something without any emotion. She has the same stoic coldness towards Nick as Zanab had with Cole

[@LizNeptune]

Wow. Someone finally gave Doc THE ICK!!! 😂😂

[@HayleyDalgetty-k9u]

On Nick saying he wanted to see the experiment through to the end and that he never would have said no at the altar - I don’t think he was saying he would say yes at the altar. I think he was saying that if he realized he was going to be a no, he would have called off the wedding, but he wasn’t at that point yet when Hannah decided to end it.

[@TheIndigo1child]

Hannahs ridiculous, judgemental labelling is a good example of what the chronically online, tiktok tablet kids generations are going to be like in their relationships. It's concerning.

[@Youokhun]

They’ll all be as lonely as Hannah is but will call their loneliness independence. Her parents and her brother all said how difficult Hannah is to deal with, so I’d say it’s a mix of those difficulties with being chronically online .. and not diagnosing but mixed with a superiority complex too I think, based on everything she’s said since this episode 😅

[@nicolecolchete3993]

Hannah pushing Kirk to say "stuff that feeling down low" made me cackle, but I think he's absolutely right. Now I know how to push a therapist into saying something like that

[@rw9707]

Hannah is giving the ick to 1000s of men watching her, just by being herself lol!

[@gabykogut6462]

I think it's pretty clear that Hannah was treated like this as a child and thinks this is what love is, that love is berating a lower person (child) for being incompetent (bad parent) and that is supposedly for the good of the former person. This is why she keeps berating him and doesn't leave -- she thinks this is love. Alice Miller has a great book -- "For your own good." Many parents emotionally abuse children supposedly to help them and Hannah learned that this is what intimate relationships are like. This doesn't exempt her of responsibility. As Dr Kirk says she needs to take it to her therapist.

[@oodatooitis6714]

Yep. I was raised in a family like this.

[@oshibo]

Yea I agree especially bc her personality was seemed so genuine and chill outside of the relationship and I don't think that she was rlly putting on a front with that - but she's soooo toxic in the relationship. Def seems like something she was taught. It's rlly sad. Hopefully she can grow