LPL Finals UPSET and 100 Thieves' Roster Moves - Summoning Insight S4E7 (feat. Nelson Sng)

[@karioa2346]

I love everytime Thorin talks about his soloq experience as a Pyke 1trick lol

[@devinhargrave4451]

Thorin being a Pyke one trick makes so much sense.

[@ShawnBlaque]

"Alphari just playing like he never even seen a jungler in solo queue, no way I can get ganked it's impossible" LOL basically

[@sjoerddz]

Its just come out that according to rumor Nelson will join g2 coming split, makes this episode even more interesting imo

[@chowdernow]

@Ramzi Bouderrah so were there any hints ?

[@karioa2346]

Nelson is a fun guest on every show I've seen him, thanks for coming on the show and to the hosts, for feeding the mass with high quality content.

[@benjackson2070]

Nelson a consistently great guest for these shows.

[@vornado616]

"Its your own desires that hold you back from seeing objective reality"- Monte ..... Bro thats some of the realest shit i have EVER heard

[@evanjacob8463]

I love how they have time stamps, so I can see what I wanna see.

[@aloufin]

glad they used 0.0001% of thier budget to pay someone to do it ;)

[@Shaeuwu]

i had no fucking clue you guys were still doing this, serious throwback feels. saw you both mentioning it on the crackdown. Honestly happy you are both still doing this you really mesh well together.

[@TyeRodney]

Whenever Thorin’s analogies hit, they’re straight fire.

[@NoradNoxtus]

The martial arts one was pretty astute I'd agree.

[@TerryFoxTheMan]

Nelson is a great guest! Hope they have more of him :)

[@Plamler]

Man, Monte was talking up Pr0lly, but Meteos talked about how pr0lly cancelled a scrim block to yell at him in the scrim room for 2 hours straight while the team was just chillin waiting for them to be done... and he said this on the Dlift Sneaky costreams. So like 60k + people probably think that he is a psycho now.

[@gialuf]

1:19:15 LEC finals:"8 chokers and 2 players" lmaoo

[@Beckst]

3:50 holy moly Monte has no clue how popular Football is

[@maze1189]

Had to rewind to see if he truly said that and yea he did lol

[@alexqq14]

He really implied Schalke should drop their football team for a fucking League of Legends team. This has to be his worst take of all time lmao

[@aoh4905]

@@alexqq14 It was a joke... jesus u guys have no humor

[@sdfcet]

love monte, but can't take his point on ESL seriously considering his knowledge of the sport itself. Don't tell me he does because of American traditional sport. its another ball game. Even for a guy from Asian country who wakes up 3 am to watch champions league , the thought of monetizing football by playing united vs barcelona in singapore would make me nauseated even with the benefit of ' oh i can watch it live in the stadium now '

[@maze1189]

@@aoh4905 Uhm no it wasn't a joke I am pretty sure. he really meant that.

[@NoradNoxtus]

Thorin with the GamerSupps buff in this one, classic banger. Best Line: The Irony of Blitz app compared to TSM roster xDDDD

[@Synday]

doinb spamming the chat rly made me find out sth else: if you copy paste all sums into chat, you paper the chatwindow so hard that you block out small cries and flames of your team before they can become bigger. youre literally squelching away every possible flamewar that can come later. people tend to focus on the game more as well, because they literally have timers in front of them when to do sth.

[@NoradNoxtus]

he was probably playing with one hand xDD

[@Warm0s]

Oh darn I always thought MSI meant Mid Season International :)

[@zinkboltwanton8197]

I have to translate some LPL commentators on LPL games to youtube, so you guys will understand how many details are hiding behind LPL's crazy plays.

[@woestemibilly]

You can do a super league in LoL cause it’s a videogame and has no soul or grassroot scene on a town or city community level. The super league is a cash grab and an anti competition that ignores everything football stands for.

[@trinhanvu6568]

What an NA view of the community

[@woestemibilly]

It would be like C9 and TSM get a. Guarenteed worlds spot because they have the most money

[@gcharny8022]

It's terrible to see ESL exist now. Hope it goes down in a ball of flames but there's so much money in it...

[@ISprayTrolls]

Ngl it seems that your comment is quite ignorant. But I don't think you are saying it from ill faith so I will point this out. Atleast from EUW perspective there are a ton of amateur tournaments and leagues that even I have participated in league of legends. In fact if you are a low diamond or lower player you can google amateur league euw. Search a few discords and join a league if you have 4 players that is or a team accepts you. Its not that difficult. So saying there is no grass roots scene is not entirely correct. Plus the vast majority of high elo players that give a fuck are already trying out or playing for low level professional or academy teams.

[@djackson4605]

counterpoint, the existing league is already a monopolized industry that severely underpays their support staff (anyone who isn't in uniform playing a sport). The community is only people that enjoy the sport, it is a greedy and despicable industry that shouldn't be supported.

[@poke2911]

Nelson is the very picture of an Asian parent for Lol players, the way he talks about players and the game makes me reminds me of the way parents used to talk to my local tutoring teachers lol.

[@Ahmed.Hadjou]

the joke about Regi, TSM and the blitz app for team synergy is pure genius haha, well spotted

[@galileogalilei7126]

What sucks is that Schalke (in my opinion) had a very good chance of going to worlds. Not so sure about that anymore.

[@NoradNoxtus]

so much for the power of friendship lol, Sadge for BB

[@Woodrow512]

Their football team bombed out of the number one league in Germany after being there for 30 years, and they wanted the money. Could've invested in the lol side instead, the team was looking pretty good, but nah

[@andreykovachev7002]

Do you think they will go for masters player or Lider?

[@galileogalilei7126]

@@andreykovachev7002 They said their academy player Nuclearint is going to be their starting mid laner.

[@rocketwheeler]

great move for 100T i agree, hopefully they can improve a lot off it and make it to worlds

[@Bagh33ra]

Monty should watch Ping Pong, ppl be sleepin on that anime

[@justkilin123]

I dont want to see Nelson as a guest anymore, I want to see him host his own podcast

[@bdwadley]

1:09:21 Thorin is going nuts and Nelson is like 'oh god can we just move on.' That whole series of jokes on Uzii Monte is busting up laughing the entire time almost in tears and Nelson is stone face.... lol so funny.

[@The.Alienist.]

@InsightOnEsports here a sugestion for future episodes: If you are referring to individual plays, it would be nice if you could show the clip before the talk about the play. It takes a bit more preparation for the show but I think its a great improvement for the viewer

[@xijingxijing6276]

RNG won 2018 MSI with 5 Chinese players.

[@dariosupan5562]

The funny thing is with the European Super League is that you would not get the highest level of competition with this lineup. The current knockout phase of the champions league comparably has stronger teams. These ESL teams just have name recognition. If clubs need more money, how about reducing expenditures - the transfers and paychecks are ridiculous.

[@lordkubikum]

Florentino perez said the maximum wage for the team salaries was capped at 55% of team's income in the Superliga tho. Maybe that's why PSG sheik didn't like the idea, because his infinite money would't matter. And the ESL teams are chosen because they are the most profitable franchises, because yes, it's a business and you need to sell the matches.

[@Bartleby1892]

@@lordkubikum The list of most profitable and best teams would change over time. ESL just guarantees an eternal stalemate. And since they want to withdraw from the UCL, and the players can't participate in World Cup and Euro Cup anymore, the three most competitve and prestigous competitions in the world lose a bunch of their best competitors. Who would want that?

[@lordkubikum]

@@Bartleby1892 that's bullshit. Uefa are just threatening. They have no legal right to forbid players to play un euro or world cup. They also wanted to ban real and juve from UCL but they can not. Uefa at this point are just criminals at the service of Al Khelaifi

[@ethanosband1895]

@@lordkubikum Yes they can, its their competition :)

[@F00Lsmack]

One probably easy thing to do with A.I. as it is now + pro view is to have it recreate game states for you and you play at a given time.

[@KhaoticKaos]

best show. good shit

[@FarnkDaTank]

I’ve only seen Nelson on Doms Podcast & this one but he’s becoming one of my favorite guests. I don’t think he realizes how funny he is, just blunt facts 24/7.

[@mmccggiillll]

Im cringing at Monte comparing the football club shalke and the LoL team saying which one would he invest if it was his choice, shows just naive he is about some opinions he hits out with a smug attitude thinking he is correct, was a bit rough to listen to.

[@70chaoswalking07]

I love how cocky Nelson is. Great episode, good to finally have some LPL coverage (even if it's pretty sparse here)

[@xendranara7121]

Nelson is so cocky that im not even sure he knows hes being cocky

[@Wenyfile]

it was a really good analogy monte

[@allbies]

Monte doubling down on his Super League take to troll us. I refuse to bite Monte!

[@lordkubikum]

He's right tho.

[@abdullahmohalel8136]

@@lordkubikum nope

[@Bartleby1892]

I was about to ask, is he trolling or is he serious?

[@ethanosband1895]

@@lordkubikum no hes not

[@Alex-xe4eo]

That story about the shaman was straight fire monte lmao. You boys are legends.

[@MortalShowdown]

01:06:50 I love the 'Civil War' analogy and it perfectly describes how Doublelift dominated NA.' Some quotes from him from the Playoffs hype videos: Summer 2018 - "Any time I'm playing in LCS, I'm gonna win." Spring 2019 - "Nobody can beat us!" Summer 2019 - "I hope Cloud9 makes it fun." Man I miss Doublelift.

[@Kbognoy]

Watch Akagi and One Outs, recommendation I think both hosts on this show would enjoy.

[@Akasora00]

And kaiji

[@encoreac5948]

LPL playoffs has been fucking great to watch as whole. Sadly only the final could have delivered more I feel.

[@TWS098HD]

The problem that you didn’t mention with a super league is promotion and relegation from every league and how you would work round that

[@bossman5370]

There are some fundamental misunderstandings around the issues with the European Super League in this episode. Decisions have been made exclusively by club owners, without any consultation within the clubs. Obviously there are massive business benefits involved, but its fundamentally an anticompetitive move, very much apart from the European football ecosystem. The football world, except unengaged fans, are disgusted. The hundred year long history of clubs is being shit on. Former fans of these clubs are being called "legacy fans" in PR messages by American ownership. To expand on the KT analogy, it would be as though RNG, SKT, FPX and RNG were purchased by Western owners, and then removed from the LPL and LCK to play in a league against G2, FNC, C9, and TSM, with the addition of there being no repercussions for poor results, since there would be no Worlds and no MSI.

[@arka267]

1:16:00 LS always speaks about champions do not scale by themselves, they always scale compared to other champions ( let's say for example that you have a ryze mid vs an orianna or a xerath and top there's a malphite for the ori team vs a renekton for the ryze team: ryze won't be scaling in the game since he will always suffer from lack of range and he won't be able to splitpush due to the ease in which the Ori/xerath team will engage teamfights with Malphite ). So I don't get Nelson's criticism, either he didn't ever take time to understand what LS means with scaling or idk...?

[@killuafan4365]

It makes sense, ryze can always drop side lane waves mid game. Orianna is not as safe as ryze deep splitting, plus the team fight argument is flawed since renekton ryze team comp is a 1-3-1. Renekton will more likely be ahead of malph pre first buy and will lose herald. Team building isn't simply team fights which the LPL coaches. understand.

[@mmm1826]

Love these talk shows, thanks for making them. Whats DoA up to?

[@agronnak]

Casting the dead Overwatch League.

[@flaype4009]

6:12 really Monti? g2 was behind 4 games in a row and won 3-1 vs skt in worlds

[@Zwijger]

1:32:56 that is bullshit. We know they were beating TES and JDG in scrims at worlds handily by the end, and had a very close record with Suning.

[@gaoaibai6243]

Dont take scrims result seriously. A LOT of teams troll draft ESPECIALLY LPL teams with their shitty "10 mins remake" or "no com" scrims bullshits. If you beat them in scrims then most likely you will get stomped on stage since they already knew wtf you are going to do. The most famous example of this was TSM in 2016. They got trolled HARD by Eastern teams in scrims and couldnt get out of groups cuz the teams they scrimmed pick the OPPOSITE strats and draft differently than on stage. G2 last year I heard was stomping people in scrims also BUT on stage Damwon raped them, Suning beat the living shit out of them and heck even TL took a game off them. So scrims =/= stage results. ESPECIALLY in the later stages where teams either STOP scrimming completely OR scrim with the intent to SPY on you

[@coryjohnson9728]

Alphari lost about 400 LP in soloQ leading up to the final from the start of the split.

[@pootie3181]

viewer question section was great this time

[@MrPikawika4444]

Tell Monte good 1v1 esports exist, they're called fighting games

[@Zeroyue622]

Remember that impact singed?

[@judge743]

Please fix Monte's audio

[@mrvoldis6688]

Thorin "all the teams that won msi had a korean import" Me ...... *looks at G2* huh?

[@Habeev07]

1:08:08 I started playing league just as Jhin was released. IEM KATOWICE 2016 taught me the right way to play league. PLAY TO GET YOUR ADC FED bc in team fights later on you WILL WIN! People dont play that way these days. I remember MLXG and XIAHOU always pandering to UZI like you should... bot is 2 players... if you get them ahead... 2 of 5 are winning then you also have bot prio and can stack DRAKES... which will help you LEFT ON AN ISLAND TOP LANER... so you basically have 4 roles ahead just by mid and jg playing for the ADC and drake control. Mid lane is shortest way to nexus but its also the closest lane to both top and bot... and can EFFECT THE MAP! I miss season 6-7. Teams also drafted for the wombo combo team fight and not getting cute trying to win early games and shit. DRAFT SCALING ALWAYS!! ALL- FUCKING -WAYS!!

[@DasLaxus]

Wtf is Monte even saying 90% of time in Champions league it is vs teams in their own region? Thanks for proving you have no clue at all about Football and Champions League as a whole. You have a seeding format and can't even play vs your own region during groups.

[@lordkubikum]

He probably meant against meaningless regions. Because let's face it, no one cares about groupstage in Champions league and matches against Slavia Praha, Club brugge, dinamo Zagreb, Genk, etc.

[@klauswolfbert]

I mean I hate the Super League idea for football and find it a bit baffling that Monte acts like that it would get a reasonable amount of people interested in football who are not into it already. I feel like he just phrased the part you are mentioning badly and that he meant the regional leagues there. Really don't care about the UEFA, but at least try to come up with a good alternative instead of that joke. Had such a good time watching Ajax in 2018(?) despite them falling short in the end, so no idea how anyone would think this circle jerk would be fun. Feels even retarded in League that the only way for teams can get into it is just based on money combined with an opportunity.

[@starilisac6087]

Thanks for The sherlock holmes series recommendation kind sir

[@djackson4605]

i play a lot of pyke too, but i use him to peel with e and kite out teamfights more than play greedy. Pyke has so many match ups that are unplayable though. He is very fun or totally useless, nothing in between.

[@d1vinejudgement]

Guys im working early tomorrow , trying to sleep in time and then u invite Nelson obvious im not gonna sleep

[@justinwu3360]

Why do people always seem to forget about RNG winning 2018 MSI with 5 Chinese players(ethnically), beating khan btw...

[@cosmicalian]

Use worlds as a qualifier for the super league. The top 8 teams that are doing well for a year could be rewarded with an invite to the super league for a year or a split. They must retain 3/5 players from their successful roster, and there should be immediate consequences if its made evident that the roster sucks or the org doesn't want to spend the money to maintain their high level. Consequences could be a 2 year ban from future super leagues. How's that?

[@JB-su6cu]

No tbh, I actually really like hearing Monty talk about soccer

[@JB-su6cu]

Also, an eye test is an eye test, but I think that it is really important for the ‘best’ teams in the ‘best’ league to have an opportunity to definitively prove that they are better than the next tier down, even if that means having stompy games. Underdog narratives aside, it’s also really important for the accountability of these ‘best’ teams to actually have to prove that they deserve their spots. This is why I was really sad to see relegations go and why I don’t think that ‘super league’ teams should ever be in fully insular leagues.

[@nagaser]

I saw that reapered was signed and tonight i had a dream the he came to my place and started to steal stuff and i had to chase him away!😁

[@broefkip]

4:00 I understand your point here monte, but there is this thing that's called being truthfull to yourself. Schalke is a historic and beautiful club, so I understand why they try hard to bring it back to it's former prestige. People love their club. Edit: Also they would really betray their fanbase if they just bailed on the football club.

[@LEThavFUNnSMILE]

Attack on titan is without a doubt not trash read the manga

[@jakoboskarsson6303]

Super league is not a good idea. Closed leagues are inherently less interesting as only the top of actually matters. In an open league, the bottom half also matters.

[@Meander_]

I'm kinda sad no conversation about PSG Talon was made, ppl are sleeping hard on this team

[@clouds1841]

Well i think S04 will be fine long term with all the talent in EU masters

[@wolfarzene4471]

That's irrelevant if the organization is compromised financially by way of their soccer club. There is no league team if the entire ship goes down

[@irohsys]

@@wolfarzene4471 lyc

[@clouds1841]

@@wolfarzene4471 yeah yeah i know that but I mean if they don't go bankrupt :)

[@zakx124]

Thorin: Why say in 3 words what you can say in 7,454?

[@MestoLV]

HERE'S MY ANALOGY !!! THERE'S A PROFESSIONAL BASKET-BALL PLAYER CALLED DURANT !! IF YOU DON'T KNOW HIM ! HE WAS .....

[@MauriceGucci]

Was super hyped for this when I knew Nelson was on, but now after knowing that it is G2 Nelson, I am even more excited. LEC lost really cool and smart people like Mithy and Peter Dunn in the last offseason, awesome to see a super intelligent and great guy like Nelson coming to Europe. If G2 doesn't win Summer and doesn't show up big at worlds it won't be the fault of the quality of the analyst staff. Quite obvious that I'm going to say this, but I'll say it anyway just for the record: always happy if you guys have Nelson on, would love to see him back on the show anytime! :)

[@grimjowjaggerjak]

I'd prefer him to go to rge or mad instead since g2 players and coaching staff already has enough game knowledge.

[@zeroxin7748]

@@grimjowjaggerjak ‘enough game knowledge’ yeah enough to not make finals with 3-4/5 of the best players in the league 😭😭

[@jay6065]

@@grimjowjaggerjak They got knowledge, 4th place KNOWLEDGE ALRIGHT

[@DukeOfSheep]

I knew Monte's take on Attack On Titan would be shit when he said the beginning had good episodes

[@Bartleby1892]

So Monty, Let's say: Quentin Tarantino, Brad Pitt, Leonardo DiCaprio, Samuel L. Jackson, Keira Knightley, Tom Hanks, Meryl Streep, Morgan Freeman, Robert De Niro, Christian Bale, Daniel Day-Lewis and Denzel Washington get together and declare they will never work with a film studio again. Instead once a year they produce their own movie with the exact same cast and a slightly script every time. You either watch that damn Allstar movie every year which will get old very quickly, or you continue watching all the new different blockbusters but now Nicolas Cage is starring in most of them. Would you say cineasts or even casuals are the winner of this scenario? Because that's European Super League right there.

[@sakyon6621]

It doesn't happen very often, but I have to completely disagree on Monte's take about the european superleague. Either he's trolling or he doesn't understand anything about european football culture.

[@LettucePlate]

2:37:50 this is what Melee could be. Viewership for Melee has never been higher and is approaching the mainstream titles. Once in person events return and the World Tour gets in full swing I think people will be surprised at how amazing it could be as an esport despite how much Nintendo tries to shut it down.

[@Miro20411]

Lol all the comments about Nelson getting deleted... Censorship?

[@drewmalekith4614]

22:30 Thorin murders esports talk 😂😂😂

[@70chaoswalking07]

You guys forgot about RNG 2018 winning MSI and everything else that year except worlds, no Koreans on that team.

[@aoh4905]

That was 2018 lol.. and a lot of things happened that year and 2019 because LCK was weak.. better for the rest of the world. LPL needs to keep importing from LCK for the rest of the world to compete pretty much.

[@wasdwasdedsf]

@@aoh4905 lol what

[@70chaoswalking07]

@@aoh4905 I said 2018?? Also RNG this year proves that what you said is just false

[@aoh4905]

@@70chaoswalking07 its 2021 now.... u lack logic

[@70chaoswalking07]

@@aoh4905 Bro nothing you've said thus far has made any sense. Guessing an LCK fanboy with some wounded pride, take the L sir

[@PWzhouster]

I found the clip of DoinB's Akali dive if anyone else is curious like I was: kzbin.info/www/bejne/n2WanJqIqrGcb6M

[@dumplinglover8947]

NA got boosted this year. imagine not making out of group yikes

[@PassivesAbseits]

Lol... Schalke will have a hard time selling many of their Soccer Players for 1 Million Dollars right now...

[@N7Null]

1:35:24 holy shit

[@nickbohnlein634]

Even with the "turkish bread is just better" Thorin is right 😄

[@florisbackx1744]

2:35:22 That's the whole point, most people don't want to see Soccer as a business......... They loath what money and business have done to the sports. I bet most people disagreeing with a superleague don't think it is a bad business concept, they think it is a bad idea from the perspective of love for the SPORT. Soccer didn't get big because of the business model, soccer got big because the sport is an fundamental part of culture and tradition. More internationaal competition can be cool but should not replace the exciting leagues. The link with local teams need to exist, through competition and in the form of promotion system. Franchise is killing for real competitiveness, it's just a way for the biggest teams to steal the cake and share it among them selves : ). The whole thing about worlds is the moment where different worlds collide, just like Champions league of a world cup. Not every thing is or should be manufacturable

[@dumplinglover8947]

how the fuk did montecristo reach the conclusion for Doinb: "His 1 dimensional at world". I swear he played more champs & done more for the team then any other mids. Montecristo talking out of his ass

[@Labben91]

In a locked of league there will not be competative games if the team isn't the top team of the league, in a pro/rel league you have competative games all through the season because teams don't want to get relegated. That is why ESL is a stupid idea.

[@bewilbs]

Darien in the rap battle for sure

[@6666Imperator]

Imagine the Cowboys or Packers would announce getting out/cutting down the spending for their NFL team in favor of an esports team that might be similar to Schalkes priorities. Personally I hope that the Super League means that the national league in Germany can refocus on the sport compared to the money. I turned away from it because currently its a too flawed setup

[@anthonyc.873]

RNG 2018 were full Chinese and won

[@gomjabbar6246]

The s tier 1 v 1 esport right now is melee, but I can understand Monty and Thorin considering it lesser for the lack of monetisation

[@lordedward68]

as the resident comment expert: Buy high sell low. TSM resident contender, Cloud 9 guaranteed world finals contender. LCK is dead, sell on T1. You're welcome!

[@peterenis3507]

1:44:47 monte i like you but your elitism is baffling sometimes watching only the start of aot when it really picks up the pace by season 3 and peaks by s3p2 to s4p1 isnt representative of the series as a whole (aot s1-2 is good but just good not more) AOT SPOILER btw the end of aot is shit tho but everything thats animated is still goated (enjoy it while it lasts anime onlys you got only like 3 goated episodes left then it just becomes good for a while and then ends dogshit lol)

[@moggreg]

That take on anime is sooo true. I wish Thorin would talk more about the shows he actually enjoys though

[@Fafa0304]

I love Thorin's Caedrel references ROFL

[@Beckst]

Monte please never talk about the super league. You have no clue about the history of this sport in any shape or form.

[@lordkubikum]

The truth is football is dying and young people care even less about football. So the only way to make football work again is to create matches peaople will watch and saying bye to UEFA and it's corruption.

[@108noonoo]

@@lordkubikum thats not true at all its still massive in the UK easily the biggest sport. You don't know what your on about.

[@Beckst]

"To make football work again" Alright buddy.

[@108noonoo]

@@Beckst these people don't understand football and how its social impacts on the Uk and its communities.

[@lordkubikum]

@@108noonoo Dude, I know how massive football is, I'm from Spain, and not a Real supporter and i grew up playing football in the park. But it's undeniable that football every year is followed less and less. Now you are not competing just against TV, now you compete against Netflix, prime video, Twitch and all this digital shit in just a click. UEFA is still rooted in last century and the format is just unwatchable from a newcomers perspective. UEFA just wants to suck as much money and comissions generated by the clubsas they possibly can, they didn't even put VAR up until 3 years ago and technology clearly allowed it.

[@Habeev07]

Wunder plays Quinn well but he is washed bc is WOW addiction.

[@kezicss]

I'm a simple man. I hear someone make fun of riot, I click like.

[@titangourmand]

can't agree with their opinions on superleague, but as they say they are not soccer, football fans. As a football fan i think this is disgraceful and i don"'t think it will solve their problem. But to be fair UEFA proposal for new champions league format is shit as fuck too and as everyone say, they are a fucking mafia, every part of this is quite criticable

[@chowdernow]

Lol thorin has the tendency to keep interrupting monte mid sentence. Probably not on purpose but please try to do that less :(((

[@108noonoo]

Football is nothing like league of legends you cant really compare them. An ESL is a terrible idea and would destroy 100s of British clubs. Its not for Americans its for local communities. That people watch it overseas is a bonus. I only watch and follow bolton. and many people do the same with there club.

[@108noonoo]

Sadly Monte doesn't realise the social impact of an ESL.

[@108noonoo]

And there are 100s of clubs not 12 and they will all suffer if this happens.

[@TheZellaCatalyst]

The turkish bread is better but i end up too full

[@joelkrizski778]

Which western team has the best macro? nelson - “none”. fucking killed me lmao

[@royalewithcheese17]

I don't think Thorin knows what he's talking about when he says the Dota machine learning developers lied about the system they developed (1:58:45). AI developers don't give a shit being good at esports or comparing themselves to pro-gmaers -- OpenAI built the Dota machine learning system to demonstrate aspects of what machine learning could do and to document the challenges that are involved. I guarantee none of them care about esports clout (cause why would they?).

[@JoeMama-ik7qf]

Maybe the sponsers cared?

[@dude55669]

Because it’s not esports clout it’s about clout in general. Why won’t they talk up what they do when it affects employment in their field and everyone wants to believe that AI is the next big thing and that they live in exciting times. The “beating pros” thing in dota 2 also had a bunch of asterisks to it and as far as I remember they did also admit to guiding the AI. It’s gotten so bad that I assume most AI breakthroughs are “scams” in that there is always a bunch of fine print to what they do. If you ever manage to get to know anyone who actually works in AI and get them to talk honestly they will admit that they are akin to monkeys turning knobs

[@saintsataniko2116]

Now all 100T needs is to purge themselves of PAPASLEAZY!