Terrible Tribal Commander || Friday Night Paper Fight 2023-03-17

[@techattack6803]

I've never seen four men fail so miserably at being menacing.

[@ClanWiE]

I feel like Ben could be intimidating if he wanted too and if we didn't already know what a good dude he was.

[@techattack6803]

Don't get me wrong: I mean this in the most complimentary way.

[@ff0213]

I don't know, Snerge could put too much sugar in your coffee 😈

[@marcuswillbrandt5901]

Serge did a face I did not know was humanly possible. Tried to imitate it and failed miserably😂

[@dungeononion]

You haven't met me yet, I see.

[@Liamsama564]

The Crew: We're playing cEDH! Me: *Looking at the **3:40:04** long video* Oh yeah, this is the stuff.

[@heartofgoldfish]

31:40 "Prison's a deck best saved amongst friends, y'know, at the casual table." And in that moment I remembered the friend who introduced me to MTG and whom I haven't spoken to since he brought Chronatog Stasis to commander night...

[@NStripleseven]

dear god

[@estebanrodriguez5409]

Their body was never found

[@ryanrobot7975]

God I love Chronatog

[@SLiV9]

Graham: we might get more than one game in tonight. Me, looking at the video length: boy I sure hope so.

[@lilyfin2196]

three hours, forty minutes and four seconds from the bottom of my heart, thank you.

[@ff0213]

As a fellow commander lover I agree

[@NStripleseven]

based

[@TheColmio]

I love how the damping sphere flavour text fits so well with the deck themes: "A Thran relic, it has spent thousand years doing absolutely nothing."

[@radical_ans]

I love G casually dropping the term "Advisor Meta" as if it's a thing.

[@pBlackcoat]

I loved Wheeler waving at Prof

[@project.mirari]

Serge "Nicest Player to Stax You" Yager

[@kevinwestermann1001]

Mr Stax-o-beat

[@AmritaZardor]

May I treat you to a trinisphere friend?

[@itslexactually]

vs anyone else: how dare you vs Serge: yes, thank you, I adore counting to three

[@pytawidmo]

Love me some highly optimized, perfect mana base $1000 "bad" decks

[@NStripleseven]

The good bads

[@danielharrison2383]

@@NStripleseven nah just the bad bads

[@dascandy]

Bad decks need badlands. Even when badlands are $100+.

[@sldoma]

What I see: “Let me put one months salary into one deck as just the mana base”

[@danielharrison2383]

@@sldoma exactly. are they the 1%?

[@MrDiscountNinja]

Honestly, I would legit watch some cEDH from y'all. But I also love watching you goof about, and frankly I'd love to see Cam play an EDH homarid deck.

[@kilo3989]

Homarid Strike the Power?

[@microafro1979]

IT'S DAMPING SPHERE! Such lovable friendly people, playing a version of a game that they all actually hate. This is awesome.

[@wilux2469]

One of the most enjoyable videos in a long time. Just the concept is a perfect balance of goofy and smart

[@TheDualGamers1000]

Watching Ben's slow descent of pain during game 1 is such a surreal experience generally seeing him as an upbeat kind of guy, cEDH really drags your demons out of you.

[@pytawidmo]

A bit surprised not seeing the infinite combo with Mutavault, Griffin Canyon and Manascape Refractor / Mirran Safehouse i Serge's deck. It is technically a kill with an infinitely large Griffin after all.

[@irreleverent]

Wheeler mentioned in the video that he'd forgot about Giffin Canyon when he put the deck together.

[@raonair]

How does it work? I'm not seeing anything to infinitely untap Griffin Canyon.

[@calanata2227]

​@@raonair refractor/safehouse has the abilities of both the lands mentioned, so you can activate the refractor/safehouse to turn it into a creature with all creature types with the mutavault ability, then repeatedly use the canyon ability to untap itself, giving it +1/+1, for an infinitely large creature.

[@raonair]

@@calanata2227 Oh, so you're not untapping the original mutavault and canyon, you're tapping the safehouse/refractor to untap that very same card

[@calanata2227]

@@raonair exactly, you got it

[@kenpokid10]

Putting in my vote for Eye tribal for part 2.

[@NStripleseven]

Yes, and also Weirds (no support for either but it’d be funny)

[@chris4439]

Shades?

[@WoodenSwordFighter]

Brushwags?

[@comlitbeta7532]

Ouphe

[@heartofgoldfish]

2:51:40 Serge has a completely smooth toss-in here and even if it's under the card reader I still want it appreciated

[@Mystefy04]

It was so confusing and exhausting as a viewer, but even more fun. 😂 Thank you Loading Ready Run for this experience. ❤

[@nicklondon7739]

3:18:45 Ben wheeler impression of Peter Griffin “oh jeez Lois, I thought the trinisphere was tapped!”

[@adamoneal5837]

Ancient Tomb still taps for 3 with Damping Sphere out since you (Ben) get to choose the order of the replacement effects! You can choose to have the Damping Sphere effect go first which makes it tap for one, followed by the tripling from the Nyxbloom Ancient, giving you 3 colorless! It’s kind of similar to the way damage doublers and Torbran interact!

[@AutkastKain]

I just listened to Shivam and Wheeler Love Magic where they gushed about Kamigawa and the shaman Commander, so seeing it (and Wheeler's land-bouncing twincast creature) was actually really cool

[@TimmytheSorcerer]

01:59:00 Wild Growth! Love the art by Mark Poole.

[@LokNWykLeer]

Serge: HOW TO KNOW IF YOUR SPHERE IS DAMPANANANT?!

[@devinkerr5474]

How U get Dampernate?

[@Flickstro]

Did most you players FEEL dampnant before find out?

[@starmanda88]

I know this was three months ago but god damn this cracked me tf up

[@LokNWykLeer]

@@starmanda88 I'm glad, thanks for sharing! 😄

[@Durtaz]

This is easily one of my favorite paper fights. Such a fun idea! Perfect mix of humor and compelling gameplay, as always.

[@Akivaran]

I have never laughed so hard at a LRRMTG game as I did on that first game. SO awesome.

[@siltyroach1584]

A return of this format really is needed this was great! Would be a good first commander game in the new moonbase

[@chaosmittens]

This was phenomenal, and would love to see another take on casual cEDH with LRR.

[@MaskedTai]

The banter in this episode is spectacular.

[@timeskip0300]

I love it, this was such a joy more please, I'm here for the 3+ hrs I'd be down if they all were two games, but I understand y'all have a life outside of work. Thanks for all you do!

[@leninade20]

This was fun, hope to see it return.

[@owldeer631]

less than a minute in and I can tell already it was a good idea to give this channel a shot

[@pvtpain66k]

This was amazing. I would love to see more of this format.

[@ericleiva]

I got curious on the Damping Sphere + Nyxbloom Ancient interaction. Lands that generate only one mana initially, would get trippled first and then changed to just a colorless, but if the land already generates more than one initial mana, then you can choose for Damping Sphere to apply first and then apply Nyxbloom Ancient, to get 3 colorless out of Ancient Tomb for example.

[@trumpets101]

2:24:08 For the purposes of clarification, the interaction with Damp(en)ing Sphere and Nyxbloom Ancient (or any or mana multiplier) is a bit unique. For any of Ben's lands that tap for a single mana, Nyxbloom Ancient says that the mana produced is tripled. Damp(en)ing Sphere then responds by seeing lands tap for more than 1 mana and thus turns it into a single colorless mana. For any land that would produce more than 1 mana, Damp(en)ing Sphere would react, causing the land to only produce a single colorless mana, upon which Nyxbloom Ancient would react and cause it to generate 3 colorless. So at this point, Nyxbloom Ancient has turned Ben's normal lands into wastes and the Ancient Tomb now taps for 3 colorless for the price of 2 life. Yay? Also, because of Wild Growth, the Forest taps for a single colorless but also adds {G} from the Wild Growth which is then tripled for {G}{G}{G}. Are you following along? This will be on the test.

[@edgarmarques97]

Does Wild Growth produce 3? Its a triggered mana ability that happens in reaction to the land being tapped but it is not being itself "being tapped for mana" so I think it only produces 1 mana

[@trumpets101]

@@edgarmarques97 Oh yeah, my bad. Started assuming nyxbloom was a blanket mana tripler instead of just for permanents.

[@BagelFrog]

This was one of the most fun games to watch in awhile, can I humble request more of this? Please?

[@Spotifist]

This was genuinely a great time, thanks for the video!

[@skiffer3]

Thank you Graham, Serge, Benjamin, Wheeler and the rest of LRR, for this top tier content :)

[@franklinhodsoniv8210]

Finally, some actual representation for the best tribe ever: Griffins... Zeriam was the first support for the tribe in 25 years!

[@freaklikeme211]

Very, very, very good VOD. As always.

[@TimmytheSorcerer]

"We're super serious, but we're not jerks" - Benjamin Wheeler 😂

[@ehyoflake8315]

Stax is hilarious in commander because every player is just so accustomed to doing blatantly unfair things that they can't deal with being forced to play fair magic lol.

[@DiabloTommaso]

I m a stax player and enjoier in edh but a good stax deck doesn t only stop people to play unfair shit. It s a slow choking strategy and I get why people don t like it

[@totoranger01]

Hatebears makes it fair, stax starves them of resources

[@rileyhamilton5023]

As an Abzan creature combo commander player, i have learned that unless its a Rest in Peace or an Ashes of the Abhorrent, i just let them hurt everyone

[@alexanderficken9354]

​@@totoranger01 unless you are playing Winota where you just do not care about your own stax pieces

[@frankmart3339]

😂 thats not even remotely true

[@beatrix-persephone]

when I first heard y'all were doing "Hardcore cEDH Night" before I found out y'all were doing tribal decks, I totally expected Wheeler to bring a Ben-Ben deck (or one of the many other kamigawa commanders he talked about on the recent episode of Shivam and Wheeler Love Magic) and just be like "yup, I've got me a Tier Zero heater of a deck right here" while being completely serious about it. now that I've said that though, I actually kinda want him to do that next time he's on a commander stream.

[@ahrenstarr6273]

3:07:28 we finally learn after all these years, Charlie Brown's teacher was always asking, "do you pay the one?"

[@itslexactually]

Wun WAHN wun WAHWAH one…

[@LyingTube]

Round two was just completely nutty straight out of the gate, wow

[@th3TwistedLight]

I'm at minute 30 and this is the most horrifying and most powerful magic I have ever beheld

[@Irsaan88]

"Most of the chicken I eat is sadness chicken" - Ben Ulmer, 2023

[@payforrhystic6822]

Thanks for having me its great to be here

[@fidwell]

Thanks for being here it's great to have you

[@NarcoticIsland]

I could watch these boys try to work around a Damping Sphere all night lol

[@tilmandeuschel9771]

Teferis protection does not phase out the player who played it. You could still attack him on case you need the attack trigger.

[@Jjdude101]

I loved this! Always look forward to commander content from y’all. Not an avid fan of CEDH but I could get used to this xD Graham you’re looking fantastic w/ all dat hair!

[@DimT670]

you could get used to this because this aint cedh :)

[@Jjdude101]

@@DimT670 exactly

[@ElDocBruh]

I'm watching this almost 2 years later and I have to say it's one of my favorite games ever. It's unhinged and on the second half kinda miserable 😂

[@DefinitelyNotReal627]

The concept of tuning tribal as high as it can go is honestly awesome, and something I'd like to see more of. That said, Serge on the weakest strategy being held strict on only griffins while every other player was running staples is griefing pretty hard.

[@sandmanlives3]

Excellent, as always. Thank you.

[@Varler_]

This is so silly and I'm down for it! More like this in the future, please! XD

[@anthonylocker599]

This was great! I was a little surprised nobody played Thrulls though.

[@TheTamally]

My favourite part about Damping Sphere is that it has had so many printings in the last two years, and it's a common. So good for slowing down tempo players and it's so cheap.

[@michaelsimmons8613]

These tribes are way to good. Where is my cephilid tribal deck!

[@martinphillips2461]

Love Rebell getting a shout-out. Funny creator.

[@natetwehues2428]

It's so weird to see G playing control. It feels like a different human being on screen.

[@andrewfornes5320]

I play shaman tribal regularly with Sek'kuar the Deathkeeper. I love it.

[@itslexactually]

I really love seeing the cEDH pattern of “oh you had a response? Well now I attack you.” Very good

[@MuraxWurmjäger]

I'm genuinely surprised there aren't more shaman tribal decks.

[@vantharion]

1:22:50 Fun play, Ben could've tapped the Omenreader to pay for Craterhoof, reducing it's cost by 2. This would let him have 3 mana after the cast, using his Staff of Domination to untap the Omenreader and let it join in the attack

[@Ariamaki]

My favorite part is when Serge said `it's dampening time` and worb'd all over them.

[@johne9181]

Really liked this, it was cool to see the high powered cards but have enough time between them so I didn't need to pause all the time to understand the cards

[@MarkFillmore]

That was so fun to watch, thanks guys

[@favretheundead]

defo would like to see another cedh night

[@DemonNo667]

Ancient Tomb CAN tap for 3 colorless with Damping Sphere and Nyxbloom Ancient on the board. The controlling player can choose in which order they want to apply the effects. Since Ancient Tomb makes 2 mana, its controller can have it first be reduced by Damping Sphere and then tripled with Nyxbloom Ancient.

[@blabik]

This is probably the best 4 player casual Elder Damp Highlander video i've seen in years

[@Giga-lemesh]

I love this so much, I haven't laughed so hard in ages

[@MemoryLaneWizard]

Not going to deny. Saw the tweet about the week being about CEDH and was like "ugh, why?" but saw the video title as "terrible tribal commander" and clicked immediately.

[@TheMNWolf]

I'm curious about this and I couldn't find any rulings. The text of trinisphere indicates that it changes the mana cost of a spell. So if you have an ability that allows you to cast a spell without paying the cost, which is different than changing the cost, wouldn't that get around trinisphere?

[@ryleyzehner5630]

Dampening sphere has never been more valuable in its life

[@ryanparker260]

Hell yeah, my commander deck fits in the "bad tribal" definition! (I really like spellshapers)

[@matthewdauber6704]

my first thought was desparately hoping someone was playing archer tribal

[@spicydungus5518]

My favourite deck I have created is homunculus tribal 😅

[@highland1995]

Always love when commander is back

[@Swnkmstr]

omg patron of the moon? I built a Sunder & Friends Patron stax deck and it was hilarious xD I'm excited to see what garbage wheeler has blessed me with

[@DeronHargrove]

Please more of this. This was phenomenal

[@olivesherwood]

My first ever Commander deck was an Advisor Tribal deck... it was pretty good.

[@TheTamally]

I just built Baru wurm tribal for this week and I am so excited to see it fail miserably.

[@JulesLeoDirect]

Terrible tribes is my jam, with my brids and oozes

[@Lucarioguild7]

I don't know what was in Wheeler's hand but I'm really curious why he conceded because he was far from dead even if he couldn't go off that turn.

[@bfeldz1023]

Intuition is likely not banned in commander because of the rules commitee's insistance on having the banlist be a suggestion on what types of cards shouldn't be played instead of an actual banlist. So there's a land destruction card in there (Balance) to imply you probably shouldn't be playing land destruction but they won't put cards like Armageddon on there because they feel like somehow putting just Balance on there is doing enough and the rule 0 conversation will pull the rest of the weight (it doesn't).

[@PiquantPan]

alas, i was hoping for Elephant tribal

[@anthonylocker599]

You four having a good time is just as much, if not more fun than the game itself.

[@Nurglewaffle]

This was fun! ...and way to shine a light on some not-so-great tribes. Kinda surprised they didn't force, say, Kobolds or Treefolk lol.

[@matthewloser7567]

Treefolk are probably too good. I expected homarids

[@conrage2002]

This episode is a fever dream. The stacks. The staxxxx! Myahahhaa

[@McW0rk3r]

So yes I could play canlander, BUT two issues: the first is that my primary cEDH is a budget Inalla list that uses her eminence ability to loops wizard effects and it simply does not function in canlander, the other is that getting a canlander community up and running is a hard thing to do that I quite simply lack the time for. That being said I would be more than happy to play a good enchantress deck in canlander if I could do so in person.

[@justinblaine2753]

I kinda want more of this so badly

[@Bruha1891]

CONGRATS! Magic Moments

[@Jakey-J-man]

what was wheeler's loop he was trying to do to kill on ben's turn at the end of game 1?

[@Bleesotron]

I had Shaman tribal going for a while. Jund, with Sek'kuar as the commander. Essentially zero synergy, other than the cards that say "Shaman" on them, it was just a bunch of middling value activated abilities and punish mechanics. Playable, but not very powerful. Also, Patron of the Moon landfall is actually hilarious fun. Amulet makes almost everything go, but you can infinite without it. Crumbling Vestige is the key, as it's (I believe) the only land that makes mana as an ETB ability. Now, I will say that there is value in playing common tribes, but in non-standard colors. I had a mono-blue Wizard deck (Azami, to no one's surprise) and it was kinda boring because it just did the same thing every time. Draw a bunch of cards, bounce all your stuff, then swing out with a full board and deal 5 damage because wizards are tiny. So I expanded the color pie, switched to Damia (who is a wizard, but has no wizard synergy), and got access to all the good black and green wizard. (There are not a lot of good green wizards). But switching out excess counterspells for ramp and kill spells makes a better deck, and honestly, no one expects the green wizards.

[@zanebarber8688]

Wonderful video! Keep it up!

[@mareksison]

Funny. I thought we were going Frogs or Lammasu but this is good too

[@namesbleu]

1:54:00 couldn't Wheeler have tapped Ben's untapped creatures that were going to attack? or have blocked all the creatures with a couple copies of finale? He didn't play to his outs :P

[@Drdidgerid00]

Well Graham, I do only play CEDH because there isn't somewhere for me to play Canlander near me. :(

[@weldrodson]

This video Inspired me to make my own terrible tribal commander deck and make it as strong as possible and I found a tribe with only 23 decks on EDHREC so Ill let uk how it turns out

[@zackbonno3675]

I play Zeriam and she's actually a straight gas commander. Nobody takes it seriously because it's Griffin, but unchecked she takes over games super fast

[@Raguel88]

It is also time for another dollarstore beejlander!