Modern Horizons 3 Set Review Part 4 || North 100 Ep166

Serge, Wheeler, and Nelson finish up their Modern Horizons 3 set review. Today going through the Artifacts and Lands of the set.
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[@ilyshion2047]

Great just in time for the assassins creed set review :,(

[@altromonte15]

Assassin's creed? That's already old, we are in full blumburrow spoiler season 🎉

[@nathanhawkins8114]

​@@altromonte15Bloomburrow? I'm looking at these spooky plane cards

[@hmwd2151]

Duskmourn? Ummm I’m looking at this new core set

[@Wicked_Carnifex]

Have to do longer episodes lol

[@evil_badman]

Wheeler's mentioned there's going to be a Universes Beyond catch-up ep for Fallout/Who/AssCreed

[@fgnsfgnsfgn]

I like archway of innovation as a way to tap my static orb/winter orb/howling mine/etc. to stop the effects from being symmetrical

[@BimbisOBrian]

That’s 🧠

[@mediocritysbest6220]

The first thing I thought when I saw Urza’s cave was, “Wheeler is gonna love this one.”

[@Goosiez]

53:00 Play uro, etb trigger put this in play. Phase uro, get uro next turn

[@wormspeaker]

I think maybe you're underestimating Spymaster's Vault. It seems like a slam dunk in Aristocrats it gives you huge card selection after you've sacced most of your board and allows you to get your Blood Artist or other outlet creature out of removal range of a lot of things. Paired with Sheoldred you gain a lot of life and if your deck that likes to sac creatures also has a graveyard subtheme you get to stack your yard.

[@highbrowloubrew]

LRR sketch in the Mighty Boosh style with Serge as Bob Fossil. "THE WANDERER, THE PLANES-WALKER!"

[@T_Peazy]

If you Ephemerate Ulamog, it sees itself in exile and comes back with 10 +1/+1 counters on it.

[@aisling_commoddities]

Wait, really??

[@TheRealWormbo]

@@aisling_commoddities It says so in the rules clarifications for the card on Gatherer/Scryfall: "If Ulamog is entering the battlefield directly from exile, it will see itself when determining which card has the greatest mana value among cards in exile. If that's Ulamog, which seems likely, it will enter with ten +1/+1 counters on it."

[@aisling_commoddities]

@@TheRealWormbo lmao. That’s insane

[@TheGibber]

I've seen some people experiment with Urzatron in the format. Albeit usually to immense disappointment, I'm surprised Planar Nexus still didn't get a mention, as I feel slapping that in with a set of urzatron would make it way more consistent. Loved every minute of this marathon review series and can't wait to see what kind of brews show up on showdown with the new cards.

[@REWASDFGHJ]

58:00 Serge was talking about tutor lands there are two other worth possible mentioning: Eye of Ugin and Sanctum of Ugin both of which got a good amount of support this set. Tutors are of course strong, providing virtual deckslots due to their utility.

[@cheezuschrist588]

Winter moon is pretty atrocious in 60-card since like half your mana base can be fetches which it does basically nothing to. I'd actually assume that makes it better in canlander though still not good

[@ceviri1234]

My favorite Shifting Woods target is Phage the Untouchable, cause it funny XD. I dunno if its the only reanimator for Phage that actually works, but its probably the best one to work

[@Xalyn937]

Its so interesting how the impact is different between MH2 and Mh3 on the ubiquity of cards.

[@colaocha1115]

Eldrazi Confluence being 4 mana for kinda 3 spatial contortions seems interesting

[@fwg1994]

One of the things I think is kind of interesting with Arena of Glory is the 2 drop mana dorks. Like exert it, then pay one of that red and a green for Fanatic of Rhonas, so it gets haste, and if you have another 4 drop, you get to immediately tap it for 4 mana and use the other red to play a 5 drop with haste. It's niche, but being able to immediately get mana off of your dork to be able to deploy your actual threat off of the other mana seems pretty interesting.

[@nelsonsalahub]

🧠

[@thomaswren8508]

On arena, watching my opponent float 6 red then discard emrakul. I say oops for them

[@Scrimshaw_DuBois42]

I hope wingding becomes the standard term for the colorless pip

[@ChiralWolf]

I'm very high on the black land. Yawgmoth/aristocrat type combos that you can often only do 10 or so times without a blood artist now get to have this land that digs 10 cards deep for that blood artist to win the game or just throw (up to) 10 counters on your yawgmoth or carrion feeder and crunch in. Also a bit surprised to not see Horizon of Progress get a mention (or clarification?). I'm very curious for your thoughts on whether it's worth considering over a regular horizon canopy, etc.

[@embergeos]

Emrakul is the worst of the MH3 titans for reanimator decks, in my opinion. And it is BECAUSE of its protection clause. Protection from permanents cast this turn means that your reanimation auras like animate dead just don’t work on it. It etbs, aura falls off due to sbas, and then Emmy sacs itself and you lose your board and never even get the cast trigger.

[@mewr11]

Is Winter Moon a possibility in D&T/Medium White? I feel like it's kinda nuts with Thalia/Sentinel/Other Thalia/etc in play already pinching your opponent's mana.

[@ToddOnATangent]

I know most folks won’t care, but there is a name for the shape of the colorless mana symbol. Actually, there are at least two accurate words you could use. It is a hypocycloid or astroid. It’s not a wingding. Wheeler is usually very particular about pronouncing things correctly (see “preator”) and knows a lot about obscure things, so I hope he can help spread the word.

[@heartofgoldfish]

Awh, I misread Emrakul's Madness as Evoke and was cackling so hard

[@markbrierley6367]

Eldritch Immunity doesn't give you unblockable from Karnstructs. Even more reason not to play it.

[@denistalbot1829]

Why not winter moon in academy ?

[@piralos1329]

God getting to chain together the ulamog that exiles two things on cast into Ulamog the Defiler to enter with a huge amount of counters is gonna be so fucking hot. Exile their Murktide, enter with 7 counters????

[@konnorm2037]

its not insanely good but i like copying world shaper with shifting woodland when I have an amulet or spelunking out and making a loop where I sac my lands to zuran orb copy world shaper kill the copy and repeat

[@DH-gv6cj]

winter orb > winter moon. the effect is strongest with a seedborn muse. yet in edh theres so many mana rocks and docksides the effect isnt as good at hitting opps. modern is a turn 3-4 format with scam, dredge, storm, scapeshift, yawgmoth etc. and a small manabase less likely to be stopped by a winter moon.

[@Zenondikar]

Shame they're talking about canlander huh

[@conradf587]

Horizon of progress? Reflecting pool and horizon land baby?

[@ElDocBruh]

Wait a second... do Graham and Wheeler have the same shoes? Do they... _do they share shoes?_ 😨

[@dannil9878]

How can I move to Canada, the greatest land on Earth?

[@Wicked_Carnifex]

Why do people call it a wingding? It's a diamond and wingding only make me think of a chicken wing

[@starmanda88]

Wingding as in the old Microsoft font.

[@person3176]

at 23:54, do zoomers watch LRRMTG?

[@mbuffington414]

Manifest is only pulling cards from the top of your library. 17:20 Just a quick correction

[@connorhamilton5707]

Manifest has never been limited to just the top card of your library. Most of them say "manifest the top card of your library", but even in the set the mechanic released in (Fate Reforged), there was Ghastly Conscription and Jeskai Infiltrator which exiled cards face down and then manifested those cards. Later on in the Commander 2019 set, we also got Scroll of Fate, which manifests a card from your hand. The same is true for cloaking a card (manifest but for disguise instead of morph), which had all three options in its initial set.

[@joeferreti9442]

Barrowgoyf is pretty sick broken. :( Too many abilities for just 3 mana. Giving it Lifelink was a pretty dumb decision. It might not break your favorite format because your format is already too broken, but card designs like that are losses for MTG as a whole.

[@Mordalon]

How is it broken? And how is Lifelink of all things a problem?

[@Mordalon]

It’s not even legal in Modern.

[@themightygerg]

Lab Man here! Important to state on Ulamog that it's ANY card in exile, so as an Eldrazi deck will run Ugin's Labyrinth, consider tucking away your Eldrazi Titan like Emrakul, then Ulamog enter WAY TOO BIG, and you can just Emmy back.

[@JRandomHacker]

Fun fact: you can do this in MH3 _limited_ using The Creation of Avacyn - just gotta be willing to take 10 first. Ulamog will in fact see _itself_ in exile.

[@demonhouser5656]

@@JRandomHacker Magic is a silly game

[@robertbrinker1769]

You can also flicker Ulamog and he will see himself if nothing is larger.

[@ScornfulEg0tist]

it's pretty funny to exile newestlamog under Nexus of Becoming too, it sees itself in exile and you get a 3/3 token with 10 plus counters and annihilator 10

[@TheLhercam]

@@JRandomHacker This is, IMO, the funniest interaction in that limited format, having done this to people

[@mattperkinson9604]

Quick note on Wheeler’s very accurate call out of what I was getting ready to comment on Ulamog: it doesn’t care who owns the card in exile so if you’ve exiled something large to fury or force of will or a delve spell, you still get the value.

[@gg65mya]

There is the interaction that if you blink Ulamog it sees that it was in exile and gains 10 counters because the check is before it enters the battlefield.

[@robertbrinker1769]

43:56 (effectively) Nothing happens if you copy a battle. Like Vanishing Battles only care about when the last counter is removed, not being in the state of having no counters. EDIT: The "nothing" that happens is the land (that is now a battle) is put into the graveyard by state-based actions because it is now a battle with 0 defense counters that is not the source of a trigger that is on the stack.

[@FarmallFarmer]

Does nothing happen or does it go straight to the graveyard due to state based actions as a battle with 0 counters on it? I know when you cloak a battle with Etrata Deadly Fugitive, you can't flip it for that reason because it has 0 counters and just dies

[@robertbrinker1769]

@FarmallFarmer it goes to the yard as you mentioned, yes. Thank you for pointing out I didn't make that clear. I will edit my original comment in a moment.

[@lostmarble540]

Serge's pronunciations are always correct, it's the cards that are wrong

[@NotAnEvilMastermind]

yep, Glaring Fleshraker does have 3-card comboing - for example, Sensei's Divining Top, plus a way to cast Top off the top of the deck.

[@jonathanarcher5356]

I learnt the hard way not to counter new emrakul. Lost my board, couldnt remove from the battlefield

[@starmanda88]

Omg that is tragic! I’m so sorry that happened to you!

[@jonathanarcher5356]

@@starmanda88 my fault for snapping the mana drain off for the big return without reading the card

[@TheRealWormbo]

Oh right, old O-Ring style individual triggers - if the trigger that usually comes first now resolves last (or as the only one), you are screwed.

[@KDHofAvalon]

Aw come on guys! How'd ya miss the opportunity to say "Your hosts for tonight are Serge, Wheeler, and Nelly's Skelly"?

[@SpawnofHastur]

Wheeler's summary of the set review at the end about how the previous Modern Horizons sets introduced a bunch of cards that are just so universally good that they've become ubiquitous is an interesting point of departure between the pointing philosophy of Canadian Highlander and it's sibling format from down south, 7 Point Highlander which uses a 60 deck with 15 sideboard cards and has a different pointing system - and, more importantly for the purposes of this comment - different pointing philosophy. From what I can tell, the biggest factor in pointing for Canadian Highlander is power. A card is pointed (and or depointed) based mostly on how powerful an effect it is. 7 Point Highlander - probably as a result of the 60 card deck size meaning there's A, less wiggle room in how you build your deck because you don't have to reach as deep in certain effects (in 60 cards, for example, you don't need to run some of the dinkier cantrips like, say, Peek) and B, you see specific cards more often in any given game - pointing is done on a combination of power and ubiquity. (There are other factors which change how and why cards are pointed in 7PH to Canlander, most specifically the fact that it is basically impossible to run decent sized proxy events in Australia meaning that we have to look into how expensive a card is when trying to depoint it, but that's a seperate issue.) In 7PH, cards that end up seeing play in pretty much every deck get pointed, if they're above a certain power threshold. Ragavan was seeing play in every deck with red in it, so it went to 1 point - then 2 when it was still seeing play in every red deck at 1. Wasteland was free to include and was seeing play in almost every deck, so it's 1 point. A bunch of the Initiative creatures (WPA, Seasoned Dungeoneer, and Caves of Chaos Adventurer) were so good that any deck that could run them was? 1 point. This has even gotten to the level of some cards being pointed (or considered for pointing) based on how ubiquitous they are despite some players thinking they don't fit the power level issue - the two that come to mind to me are Deathrite Shaman, which has gone to 1 point for being a Swiss Army Knife, and Mental Misstep which is being considered for pointing because every deck is very deep on one drops. Why am I going on about this in specifically a Canlander video? Mostly because while I mostly myself play 7PH, I love 1v1 non-Commander singleton as the best way to play Magic because it gives you a more varied experience than 4x 60 formats and the lack of a guaranteed build-around like Commander has, and I'm interested in spreading the word, as it were. If anyone who enjoys Canlander spends any time down in Australia, look into 7 Point Highlander. It's definitely not the same, but it feels very similar while still distinct, and the scene down here is thriving. Also, as an advantage for those of us with small or less nimble hands (like me), 60 card decks are way easier to search and shuffle. :P

[@SuperFlamingTomato]

Putting an Ulamog into play off of my Emperor of Bones during limited felt pretty nasty tbh. Dunno how relevant the non-trigger cards in exile will be, but I'm sure it'll win someone a match sometime.

[@elitearmsgaming5732]

How much mana would you pay to give a creature haste.

[@tomireland3644]

I don't play canlander, and I know that these reviews are for a very different environment to commander and Gladiator, but still really enjoy these reviews. It's interesting for me to hear a chill review from knowledgable people with very different perspectives on the cards than me. Plus I do still learn stuff like, oh yeah, that red land I thought was bad at first glance because it exerts is probably actually really good 😅

[@idontwantone1108]

So if you blink ulamog with say ephemerate the way the rules work with him is he sees himself upon entering. There's a few ways/decks in the format that can get a creature into play and blink it. Just saying casual 17/17 annialator 10 for the coast of a blink spell isn't bad, lol 😂.

[@wormspeaker]

I like that you can use Arena of Glory to haste out two creatures if you're double spelling that turn.

[@FreyjaMentado]

the pro tour can wait! Final part of MH3 review!!!

[@jonathanarcher5356]

I feel there has to be a good eldrazi deck with all of the spawns you can get now

[@ShinerCCC]

Lazotep Quarry is great for dredge because I'm playing Colossal Rattlewurm to find it. I probably won't activate the eternalize ability unless it's for Hermit Druid.

[@Kaboomjr26]

My favorite card from this set is Basking Broodscale since it spawned a combo deck in pauper called "Gleezard"

[@Trevante32]

I wanna play budget blue moon with winter moon and just run basic lands only xD

[@Micalovits]

Arena of glory into goblin winstigator or lackey is so so scary that can come out of nowhere

[@BKets4ever]

I've said this before and I'll say it again. Moxen should be 4 points

[@nickrossi5992]

31:44 you mean Walking Bal-LIE-sta

[@sandmanlives3]

Excellent, as always. Thank you!

[@nicholasfalasco8539]

good stuff. trust your cohosts, Serge.

[@GFreeGamer]

I've only played with it in draft but Kozilek, the Broken Reality is an amazing lesson in card evaluation, because so many people get hung up on 'they get 2 2/2s!'

[@Mordalon]

It’s similar to people mocking Divine Gambit and calling Raven Form broken but in Kaldheim their playability was reverse. Gambit, like Kozilek, doesn’t give them card advantage, it just moves their existing resources around, while Ravenform actually gave the opponent a resource.

[@MrThewooter]

Do emrakul being instant speed is way less important than i thought thats a bummer.

[@TheRealWormbo]

Still seems funny in response to a big attack, since a controller change removes creatures from combat. But yeah, it's mostly a significant cost reduction.

[@EyalBrown]

I am of the opinion that the utility land cycle should be dubbed the Newcastles.

[@joeferreti9442]

There are no castles on the cards. The ETB condition isn't that reminiscent to the actual castle cards.

[@SeanSmith-ls3np]

Will there ever be an opportunity to do retrospectives on how cards shaped the format pre Ixalan in terms of the already released podcasts? In the mode of Powerful Magic stories based around certain sets, cards, or mechanics. Maybe have special guests from the local scene to share their stories. The videos y'all produce are fantastic, and always brighten up my day after a long day of work. Wish you all the best.

[@TheBluemechanic]

I remember I was excited about the archway when I first saw it, then the more I thought about it I realised the most expensive spell I ran in the artifacts deck which didn't have an easier way to cheat it into play or already had a built in cost reduction effect was Chaos Defiler and even then the improvise would only have reduced the cost by 3 at most because improvise doesn't reduce coloured mana

[@kevinwestermann1001]

The "most glaring imbalance in a cycle" award goes to Fifth Dawn's cycle of common equipment with colour instant speed equip abilities.

[@claytoncockrell2850]

Also, you can bounce Emrakul before resolving, and it’ll never hit the battlefield, which means we won’t have the creatures

[@jacobkristos1214]

I wanna see how many Ragavans Talon Gates of Madara lets through.

[@michaelhuerta7469]

Talon Gates could also be used as a protection piece too in a pinch

[@FelipeLundgreen]

Where's the card Horizon of Progress review?

[@diggerdog9205]

It's the Ums festival!!

[@lunameyers7093]

Meow

[@namelessaccount2759]

Second

[@markbrierley6367]

Spymaster's Vault have any aristocrats applications? Or by the time you're saccing you sorta past the point of needing a lot of selection? Although I'm pretty sure they run Juri and this is house with Juri, but maybe too Christmas Land?

[@michaelhuerta7469]

maybe more for a aristocrats/reanimator maybe

[@joeferreti9442]

Maybe for an aristocrats deck that can sac a lot, then wants to attack and setup the graveyard!?!? It's too niche.

[@markbrierley6367]

@@joeferreti9442 it's 2 mana to loot once for the floor and 16ish for the ceiling? The counters aren't usually important for a deck that doesn't try to win through combat. I'd pay 2 mana to draw 16, discard 16. Wouldn't you?

[@rudibood]

Just settled in to wait for an oil change, this couldn't have been released at a better time

[@Medium_Mac]

Set reviews aren't exhaustive, just exhausting

[@Mordalon]

Why watch them then?

[@Medium_Mac]

@Mordalon just making a joke about how many cards there were to talk about, love these guys

[@infrequentlyseldom]

thanks for the modern horizons review! can't wait next week for the bloomburrow review!

[@angreed66]

Odds are you're going to eat your words on the generic power of MH3.

[@IaCthulhuFthagn]

"MH3 is not as generically powerful as MH2" doesn't feel like the most controversial statement in the world. The only card that really feels in contention for the power level that also slots into a wide range of archetypes is Nadu (which they might not have specifically called out in the conclusion at the end of the set review, true).

[@froggychair9258]

It should be called Commander Horizons instead at this point

[@Mordalon]

People say that literally every MH set and are continually proven wrong. Big splashy build arounds are not new to Magic and predate EDH.

[@EldritchAngel]

28 seconds no views, lrr really fell off.

[@starmanda88]

Clever AND original!