UW Control Like It's 2014 In The Vintage Cube

There's no better place to draft UW Cheons than when Paul is passing to me - why not try and beat him with his favorite deck?
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[@haumph]

I still can't believe I passed you the perfect U/W Cheons deck...

[@LSVargas]

I can believe it

[@francesthebard2758]

Would you say it’s touchdown unbelievable?

[@jonathanemontgomery]

@@francesthebard2758CHEON! CENTAUR! UNBELIEVABLE!

[@mattdespard6576]

Luis drafting the 5 colour, draw 7 soup would have definitely been more on brand xD

[@pielily]

ah, to be left of cheon...

[@StefvanDeursen]

The daily lsv vintage cube draft era is the gift that keeps on giving. What a time to be alive.

[@itsallenwow]

Now with 100 percent real Cheons

[@casparash5370]

We just need BK back for some storm boys content (ponchos optional) and then I will be complete 😊

[@bradleylovej]

Ikr, I am so glad I stumbled back to the channel. I was like, "I wonder if LSV has posted any content since I stopped watching a year ago." I was shocked. Genuinely a fantastic surprise.

[@bigwig8657]

Paul passing UW Cheons feels like attempted rebranding.

[@roippi3985]

it’s clearly a convoluted marketing play to reintroduce Cheon Classic ™️

[@MarkAvo]

Maybe he thought LSV would draft the more on brand “utter nonsense, glued together with a dash of storm, a pinch of graveyard shenanigans, and a healthy serving of draw 7s?”

[@invx]

Watching Luis get put in the turn one Fastbond torture sequence 3 games in a row by his own dear friend Paul is an ultimate moment for their friendship.

[@nicholaskersey3771]

No spoilers please

[@casparash5370]

@@nicholaskersey3771 lol I keep reading the comments before watching them as well 🤣 like I only have myself to blame haha

[@bradleylovej]

"Really, Paul? Are you just going to have it turn one every game?" What a gem this one was

[@ZeroIsEven]

This is Blue White control in the deck, but also the draft … so many early hate picks and combo breakers and no passes. Truly full control.

[@bevrosity]

doesn't just pertain to the games!

[@LucianDevine]

I absolutely LOVED the hate drafts! He 100% played the team draft how it should be played! Gaia's Cradle and Natural Order just in case, maybe throw Finale of Devastation in there as well. The P2P2 Minsc and Boo was also so damn good, plus he even got the card he would have taken, The Wandering Emperor, on the wheel. Then the same goes with the P3P3 Archon of Cruelty pick, got the Seachrome Coast on the wheel. They were both fantastic strategic hate drafts that he ended up not having to truly pay for.

[@ZeroIsEven]

@@LucianDevine Yeah, I had written this comment before I saw the Archon pick - and then I was like, woah! Really all in control now - what a stacked sideboard of everything everyone else wanted

[@giorgiochiodini5773]

So LSV explained to Paul how to draft this cube then proceeds and draft UW CHEONS

[@DisregardedHappiness]

next level baiting

[@andrewhyer4422]

Even without the Snuff Out, I think we're still meant to play Underground Sea in the deck. If we draw e.g. an opening hand with Mana Drain, Marsh Flats, Eagles of the North, and no other blue sources, with Underground Sea in the deck we can fetch it on turn 1, use Eagles to fetch Hallowed Fountain, and have Mana Drain up on Turn 2. Without Underground Sea we have no way to get double-blue off those cards.

[@sjake8308]

Yeah, Marsh Flats alone is reason enough to play Underground Sea: Sometimes you draw the Hallowed Fountain, sometimes you want to fetch painless untapped blue.

[@bradleylovej]

This is a really good point.

[@CyrixD2]

Such a cool deck, so many decisions to make on each turn. When to use a cantrip to bounce a creature vs leave up counters vs tap out for a Planeswalker... expertly piloted, as always, and very fun to watch.

[@Bigdisgrace22]

I really enjoy watching these "traditional archetypes" (e.g. Mono W, Red aggro, UW control) more than any other videos on the channel. Thanks for the throwback!

[@megakirbyx]

Damn back in 2018 when I started playing cube this was THE deck. If you got JTMS, Teferi, Remand, and Snapcaster it was just gg. Crazy how much cube has changed over the years

[@doleod6340]

Yup the creatures and to a certain extent the combo cards (mostly underworld breech and thassa's oracle) keep getting better while the control cards have stayed fairly the same.

[@sjake8308]

@@doleod6340 The creatures also improved cards like Necromancy, Natural Order and Sneak Attack: Griselbrand is pretty much a mid-tier threat to cheat into play now when it used to be about the best thing a couple of years ago.

[@bwen18]

Crazy how much Magic has changed in the last 5-6 years. The power creep of the Modern Horizons sets have had a huge impact on all of the eternal formats.

[@leanderthal1138]

I fell to my knees in a Kroger’s

[@drifter4943]

"Opponent passes the turn for the first five turns of the game" LSV: Now we're playing the kind of game this deck's good at!

[@Jaryism]

4:55 this is what I love ❤️ about LSV, turns the draft into a cage match lol..

[@jgray2718]

That poor Stalactite Stalker.

[@romeomargot-picquendar1281]

That's what's sweet about cube, UW control is not even on the radar for most people in archetypes you go for when drafting. Yet no power or really broken cards and still dominated the field easily.

[@griffinwilhelm6688]

😅😊😅😊😊😅😊😅😅😊😅😊😅😊😊😅😊😅😅😅

[@7deuc2e38]

When playing against someone with fastbond the odds of it being in their opening hand goes up 84%

[@matias9633]

Just wondering wouldn’t underground sea have been a “free” untap blue source for marsh flats to grab?

[@stormd]

I thought the same thing

[@Bl00dSt0rm60]

Black didn't actually do anything, just gives potential wastelands a free target is my guess

[@sjake8308]

@@Bl00dSt0rm60 The point is you can get the Sea with the Marsh Flats, so the Flats get painless, untapped blue. Also there are games where you naturally draw the Hallowed Fountain, at which point the Marsh Flats can no longer get blue mana. Besides, Wasteland already has a reasonable number of targets already, all of which are higher value than the Underground Sea. All that said, it doesn't really make much difference either way, though. 🙂

[@subtleknife1]

How many damn times are you gonna make that man play Magda??! Brutality

[@whynotlin7998]

I was losing it after like the 4th time he played Magda 🤣🤣🤣

[@jrjamesson]

between that and the stalactite whatever from the match before I was dying 🤣

[@bradleylovej]

"Are we going to draft UW Cheons while sitting next to Cheon?" This is why I keep coming back to this channel. Also, this deck was sick.

[@inkjorbas]

Big Teferi, little Teferi and JTMS walk into a bar...instalike❤

[@casparash5370]

And the barman says what's up with yawg guys you look a little blue?

[@pauldaulby260]

oust is one of my favorite cards that i think is underrated. its a 1 mana removal spell thats somehow incredibly brutal against bad creatures, often more so than against good creatures. triple remanding a friends lanowar elves is a great memory (for me)

[@Waghabond]

Its impressive that even cheon's draw 7 deck with deck stacking for t1 fastbond every game couldn't beat this no power control deck.

[@mallie2057]

Just discovered today that Paul Cheon has a Channel. The first video I found of his was of him drafting storm. The same day I find you drafting Blue White Control. What wild parallel dimension have we slipped into in 2024?

[@sjake8308]

The best part was that Cheon spent the first few hours on stream drafting nothing but RB Reanimator! 😆

[@Bigdisgrace22]

Is it really not worth it playing the Underground Sea to turn the Marshflats into a U/W fetch? I know it carries the risk of any nonbasic, but I think the ability to get blue in a pinch is worth the risk of hitting a wasteland or archon. Mostly thinking for e.g. you already have Hallowed Fountain and need a third blue for Cryptic.

[@bricelory9534]

Probably worth it, yea.

[@LSVargas]

Oh yeah duh - 💯

[@leanderthal1138]

Your treatment of that magda reminds me of what you did to those gifted aetherborns with cheons in pioneer 😂

[@karamelptcg]

That is quite the throwback reference. Damn good video though.

[@Greggington_Gaming]

I picture Stalactite and Magda bemoaning their luck together in a bar later tonight!

[@EmperorNapoleon1815]

Now this is classic! Never tire of the Vintage Cube drafts, LSV👌

[@mpp8042]

Ridiculously satisfying draft

[@rossmcbeath4997]

LSV: by the time he draws Halfling, it will be expectedly present.

[@tonyontilt3522]

Mana drain & 6 lands doesn't even consider a mulligan 😅

[@moleahjobe]

Cheon fading the flip with his inside knowledge

[@sjake8308]

No, Cheon was fading the flips because he has MTGO Premium! 😆

[@NastierNate]

UW Control in a draft with Paul? Identity theft is not a joke, Luis!

[@RCTricking]

Fractured Identity

[@jaspervandervaart6966]

luis, please add the cube cobra link of the cubes you are drafting into the description. thx

[@guitarolm]

probably my favorite deck in the last few months, what a great league!

[@Waghabond]

LSV truly getting into the fun police mindset even in the draft portion by stealing someone's minsc and boo, natural order and archon of cruelty.

[@Kendal411]

Awesome seeing perhaps my fav archetype played at such a high level. Also, this reinforces my belief that Oust is being underplayed; card is great in so many situations!

[@tym6217]

Wouldn't it have been worth swapping out an island for the underground sea since you had the marsh flats?

[@Stokkeland23]

This Cube looks so much better than the one currently on MTGO. Just overall better card quality. Although i miss cards like Oblivion Ring, Mental Misstep, Ancestral Vision, Unsummon and Vedalken Shackles being in the Cubes. Not quite sure why those cards have been removed. Especially Oblivion Ring and Unsummon i miss. I feel like the other colors have gotten a buff and some of the UW answers have been removed. I'm sad about it lol. I like playing UW Cheon type decks.

[@seangerrity9217]

I saw a Jan Jansen in there. How new is that in your cube and how does it play? I have a Commander deck built around Jan and while I opted to go less combo focused and more synergy focused, I would be interested to hear your thoughts about it in cube. Let's be honest though, I would always like to hear your thoughts about MTG because I do learn quite a bit. Thanks for sharing!

[@codetaku]

I think we all wanted to see you beat Paul with UW Cheons at least once

[@ShrapnelHappens]

That poor Magda. 😂

[@brandonbagley795]

More of this, please. I crave the Cheons

[@SeaGrae]

The best draw would be a snapcaster, oh there’s a snapcaster 😂🎉 LSV fortune strikes again

[@sjake8308]

If you know what your best card to draw in a particular situation is, you'll appear to draw it more frequently.

[@tomsmith4698]

Is the card "eagles of the north" a reference to the Toronto Raptors? I guess it would have been rakdos if so. But every time I see that card I think of the raps

[@JapanischErfahren]

Lotr

[@trentjones5881]

This deck slaps! It’s so opposite to watching Lsv draft “fair” decks. This is the polar opposite of the crazy concoctions he makes usually, but felt like he was holding the control key down the entire time he played.

[@wunglu176]

YAyy Paul in the vintage cube!!

[@perisr3492]

What a Deck! 😍

[@Skylersuzy]

Great draft

[@A11sopp]

"my cube I've been tinkering a lot with lately" Pun intended?

[@WarsWorth]

Always

[@marcsteinbruegge254]

I know you said Force of negation, but can we please get a Horse of Negation in an unset or something?

[@maxreis9534]

LSV drafting UW Cheons between realLSV and Cheon...there is good in this world

[@Michael-sz7lp]

Seems like LSV is much chirpier when he's playing against Cheons.

[@lionkingchannel1448]

Picking Snapy was the champ move

[@tomasvil]

46:35 Echo of Cheons

[@heathhall3662]

Nice change from the storm decks

[@jackcarsen6247]

the cheon slander continues

[@fpejanovic]

WHat happened to Glen Elendra Arch-mage?

[@sjake8308]

It's just not as good as it used to be, sadly. Another victim of the power-crept, low-cost creatures that have been printed the last few years.

[@fpejanovic]

i remember LSV would play GLA all the time in cube like 5+ years ago. Was thinking about it the other day given how often he plays blue@@sjake8308

[@LTJZamboni]

Maybe I missed it but did LSV really go a whole match without saying Echo of Cheons?

[@iloverufio200]

UW Cheon time!

[@jewpcabra666]

love some classic UW - is it at all possible to put the cube yall are drafting in the description or something? Hard to figure out when its your cube or alpha frog etc. Only ask because the gemstone mine you mentioned "I didnt add it" so not sure if back on alpha and someone got the 3-0 and added. Thanks for all the content!!

[@LSVargas]

It’s always my cube at this point

[@jewpcabra666]

@@LSVargas thank you for the quick response! are yall still doing the 3-0 thing? is there a place to track the changes outside of the small call outs?

[@othervinny]

If Cheon's joining the server, these videos are about to get a lot longer - as evidenced by round 1. And Paul has his own channel now, so I've got like 2.5 times the cube content to consume. I'm gonna have to start watching these on 1.25 speed

[@vinni522]

Paul discarding memory jar feels very wrong. Decking LSV was a real possibility at that spot.

[@killpioo2]

Pack 2 pick one. You only had two white cards. I'm surprised fury wasnt a consideration. Im guessing not enough synergy in ruw?

[@bricelory9534]

I think he was really dedicated to Blue with almost no fixing, and at that point he was already split between going white or black, not seriously considering 3-color at that point. Also, Fury gets a lot worse as just a minor splash, since you don't have as much to pitch to it. It wasn't enough to pull him away from White (though maybe enough to compete with Black if he didn't have the White), and tri-color would have been too risky with where his draft was at that point.

[@DrMonty-ng5fo]

white goes with hard control a lot better than red does, and Fury is really hard to splash. he also already had the marsh flats

[@mattie3875]

Made me realize we need Stunted Growth in cube. I miss that card. 🙃😅

[@sjake8308]

Sadly that card is much too slow for modern Magic.

[@rileysmiley6911]

C H E O N B O N D

[@olazawho]

It's not a U/W Cheon's draft if you aren't hoping to see THE Cheonland for the latter half of the draft.

[@Sidnv]

Forcing someone to play mono-Magda is hilariously rude.

[@TheFracturedMind]

Caught this one early! Looking forward to UW control

[@renanrochapacanarotrinca3812]

why would you keep a hand of 6 lands and 1 counter???????????

[@GrimSqueak]

You were one card away from being able to title this video Echo of Cheons 😢

[@kurosawa1120]

disgustingly good😂😂

[@brodiator]

Fun deck

[@mattwc93]

all this deck needed was an aetherling to be a 10/10 XD

[@jordantai169]

Classic role reversal. LSV drafts Cheons while Cheon drafts LSV fastbond draw 7s tinker shenanigans

[@gzzuss]

Whenever anyone asks why you hate blue just show this draft 😅 especially the last game!

[@pairot01]

Has your evaluation good mana lands gone down? I've seen you pass so many duals and fetchlands over sometimes very marginal cards. I guess there's more lands than ever, but still seems pretty different to previous years

[@bricelory9534]

My guess is this draft he was thinking he'd lean very heavily into 2 colors at most - with Mana Drain and Cryptic Command early, you don't want to really go into too many colors. I have seen him still pretty recently go for the more heavily splashed 4/5 color decks, too. So I'm guessing the heavy blue investment early disincentivized his normal habits.

[@LSVargas]

I don’t feel this is accurate, I take lands super highly (this draft I was committed enough to blue to not do that though)

[@Waghabond]

Yeah i'm not sure where this question is coming from. Feel like LSV must be pretty ubiquitiously known to be the guy who keeps doing 5 colour soup and somehow always having good enough mana to pull it off.

[@tannermattingly4462]

It's absolutely insane to think that One Ring was the worst card in the deck. There were plenty of times where you drew it and could have used it, but there was always something better. That's the mark of an incredibly strong deck.

[@googleplusisterrible4837]

Non Beta Wrath is heretical

[@fathazam]

Nice videos. Any chance you can ever draft white, green, or red? We've seen a bunch of videos on blue control and reanimator. I know that aggro may not be your favorite deck but as an entertainer it would be interesting for those of us trying to pick up cube from you to learn about. Thanks!

[@bricelory9534]

He does have some interesting aggro decks occasionally, when they come up. They're not common, sure, but worth the looks.

[@fathazam]

@@bricelory9534 I'll have to find them , thanks

[@LSVargas]

I’ve drafted so many times I’m sure you can find plenty of examples

[@timmifransson]

With the cantrips and mana requirements of your best card mana drain (which hopes to get snapcaster'd) and with cryptic in the deck I think that +1 island -1 plains is a pretty obvious change.

[@philipswede7299]

This is my attempt to make the name "Blue Black Nassifs" happen

[@LucianDevine]

All the times you made mana-screwed opponents draw bad creatures was just karma paying you back for Paul having turn 1 Fastbond all 3 games in match 1.

[@jacobbenincasa2199]

Can we talk about hoof last pick? Disrespectful...

[@burtreynoldz6308]

Did Luis draft this on purpose just to meme on Cheon?

[@Waghabond]

always

[@jonathanlopez332]

Can we not draft blue for once? No splashing either?

[@LSVargas]

🧐

[@Waghabond]

this draft literally started with mana drain into ponder, how can you expect LSV to not go blue from there? there was also no splashing in this deck either.

[@Orkish100]

UW LSVs

[@rastrisfrustreslosgomez544]

RELEASE THE CHEONS!

[@prinsepe87]

UW control/hate draft dot deck

[@cowonavuwus8758]

Look, i know you hate not running OG art for your cube, but would it be possible for you to run the Dig Through Time art featuring the dog digging??? Do it for the doggertoes

[@IzzRei]

I am not a fan of Dig Through Time and I see it as a trap. There is alot of set up for it making it a spell that can’t be cast in the first few turns. It has anti synergy with cards that do care about the graveyard such as snapcaster. Lastly It’s double blue cost is what dooms it for me. Even if you are digging at only double blue, those 2 blue pips will most likely impact the rest of your turn unless you are mono blue, digging for a hard counter spell requires 4 untapped blue. The best use of DTT is for decks running pitch free instant spells so like this deck; so yah in the last 3 years this is the best DTT deck I’ve seen but even here it was just mediocre. It’s just not worth it imo.

[@abrahamwarner4408]

Magic is a zero sum game.

[@cesarramon4636]

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