LTL VS Fuel Hauling? KAG Vs. ABF

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[@SilverbugInc]

What kind of arrangements are possible for o/o’s with your company? I’m retired and am looking into working in the tanker sector after selling my previous company

[@ezeikelnewton9107]

I've been in food service for 3 years, and I just got my hazmat and tanker. I was thinking about switching, but most of the tanker positions don't pay overtime. But it requires us to work it, even though they are not paying time and a half. At least food service pay time and a half.

[@jamal1393648]

Drop that link to that LTL group ?

[@ktmeric1985]

Fuel hauling is the worst job in trucking. Everyone talks about money they never tell you what you have to go through every day to make it.

[@nyo2828]

Tf lol. Bro it’s one of the most easiest jobs out there. I should know that’s literally what I do every day. I go in at 2 AM and I’m out of by 2 PM. I start off my day between a 30 to 45 minute pre-trip and setting up for the day getting. Looking through my loads seeing where am I going around the city for the day. I go to the rack takes about 20 to 30 minutes to load depending how many trucks are at the rack loading. Some days I drive 4 hours to get to one store and some days I drive 10 minutes to get to one store. I get paid by the hour, I’m not on load pay. I’ve been at my company for three months. I have made $33,000 gross so far. I really enjoy my job. Could I see myself doing this for the next 20 years possibly. I’m home every day.

[@GhostdogTV]

@@nyo2828 how is it waking up at 2am I'm thinking about fuel Hauling

[@nyo2828]

@@GhostdogTV well, I’m waking up around midnight. It’s hard but during the summers it’s nice to leave early in the day without getting hit with a full heat affect.

[@nyo2828]

@3cocopuffs566 I was with Circle K. No, I’m with Synergy.

[@CountdownTo2100]

@@nyo2828what’s the work schedule can you pick days ?

[@nick-cb6dl]

I work for UPS, looking to leave for fuel hauling, just for a schedule. Not liking this UPS on call with 1hr 15 min to get to work…to me a schedule is worth more then money..

[@MrByTheMile]

You have to do what you need to do bro. I just got a bid here at ABF. I also took a look at my stub from when I started in September to end of the year. Just within 3 months ABF has invested over 13 1/2 thousand just on health and welfare benefits and pension and holiday. No other company does that. The totem pole B.S is short term sacrifice long term gain. I really suggest hanging on. I’ve done the math on hauling fuel. Health benefits are worth more than a schedule

[@nyo2828]

I left LTL to Fuel hauling and it was one of the best decisions I’ve made so far. I don’t get paid by the load like other fuel hauling companies. I get paid by the HR. I don’t work for a contract company either I work for the actual store. Just like Loves, Flying J, etc. If you’re looking to get into fuel hauling. Get with the store companies. I know loves has like a monthly bonus for safety. My company has a quarterly bonus for safety.

[@MrByTheMile]

Most fuel companies pay by hour bud

[@nyo2828]

@@MrByTheMile that’s not true.

[@nyo2828]

@@MrByTheMile might be different in California but in order state they run load pay. Hell loves just rid of load pay.

[@Murphys_Law9]

@@nyo2828In South Fl most companies pay hourly with overtime post pandemic

[@itisim]

​@@nyo2828 nah bro I get paid hourly and it's a mix of load and hourly

[@ezeikelnewton9107]

Nice cup! Bro!

[@GSDKXV]

Is hometime for food service better, worse, or the same as LTL?

[@alishabazz7431]

Worse in Food service from my PERSONAL experience. And I have experience in both (currently In ltl).

[@truckerkev7067]

Wow he didnt want you to be concerned about money? Lmaoooooo

[@MrByTheMile]

Kag is great. Linehaul with ABF is even better

[@truckerkev7067]

I got a buddy there making 27 a hours bringing home 1300 a week i just got hired on with yrc pensions are very important

[@juangomez4286]

Hello Sir, did my road test with ABF today I believe went well (hooking and unhooking a set, back up a pup to a dock, plus 15 miles of road test, no problem) he said I did good, I did P&D with reddaway for almost 3 years so I have LTL experience, just a piece of advise my trainer made me do a DMV like type cab inspection with air brakes, governor cut out test etc, afterwards he asked for my DL and SS card and had me sign some ABF paperwork, gave me driver and hazmat handbook and some other company paperwork, he said corporate will get in touch with me and that what's that. Just wanted to share my story.

[@MrByTheMile]

Exactly what happened with me. You’re in brotha. What hub did you test at?

[@juangomez4286]

@@MrByTheMile I tested at the Stockton CA terminal which will be my home base.

[@luisl.5304]

I know the info is probably incorrect but I "Googled average annual income for ABF driver" and it came back with 55k-70k. That's a pretty big gap so I'm not sure how I feel about that.

[@MrByTheMile]

Do what you must! Pay is going up. With increases every year after. Not sure yet on the details. But I know it’ll be far better deal than any tank job or any other driving job out there

[@luisl.5304]

@@MrByTheMile thanks bro. Thanks for the videos. I'm definitely considering the move

[@cascivic]

Luis I'm not saying it's not possible, ltl is very dependent on the economy overall. But you would have to try to make under 70 at ABF in my opinion. Been here 8 years now. And I did 90 with a week off hurt and a week of Rona . This is all dependant on terminal and seniority obviously

[@Musictroper76]

I concur. You would have to literally put in effort to not make money at ABF. At my terminal, it was always busy!

[@spurs5677]

I’m in Midwest low cost of living making 30s range per hour might break 130 this year

[@Murphys_Law9]

Damn. I want to move but i can’t do the cold. I’m in South Fl, high cost of living and making $26 a hour i’m about to break $100k

[@spurs5677]

Yeah I’m only going to make 100k this year lol last year I worked 6 months straight six days a week I took a break this year haha

[@_mr_cat]

@@Murphys_Law9 i moved from midwest to Florida, never move to midwest, ever! Quality of live is way better in the sun

[@jebbaoaf1150]

I currently drive for XPO. I’m kind of burnt out on it to be honest. We spend more time on the dock than we do driving, which is fine, it’s in the job description, but I’m starting to feel like a glorified dock worker. Plus, night time linehaul is where you really make your money, and 12-14 hour night shifts take a toll on the family. I’m thinking of looking around at other LTL companies. LTL is a great business model in my opinion. I think it’s just about finding which company executes that model the best.

[@sierra0291]

Do you take a pay cut when working on dock or do you have a flat rate, im at FXF and im on the 2/3 level of the scale and i get $36.61 for linehaul work which is maybe about 4hrs a night unless i get lucky and get an xtra run from whatever station i go to and $28.84 for dock or railyard work so in reality im at about $32hr and its all straight time no OT pay but im feeling you when you say you are burned out FXF seems like a good place to be but in reality id have to move to another station preferably a hub to actually make the $$ i want to

[@jesusmelendeztattoos2197]

I’m currently at Xpo in Los Angeles. Driving the truck is 82 cents a mile, anything else is 35.89 an hour. The dock work sucks! You load your set and believe you are about to start driving back to your terminal till you get stopped and told to do another break out (unload another trailer). You can make a good check but you deal with a whole lot of bullshit! Especially if your new! Get ready to be bent over and rammed no Vaseline status!

[@adonijahtaylor547]

XPO driver here out of Denver. XPO is a great company and LTL is great pay 💰 optional linehaul on weekends for an extra chunk. You weren’t joking about the dock though, hard work. Not the hardest I’ve ever done though. All in all a great company.

[@itisim]

I work at Kag and thinking about going to saia LTL

[@MrByTheMile]

I’d go to Estes instead if I was you

[@itisim]

@@MrByTheMile why is that?

[@IGStrangDaKang]

Why estes???they dont get paid OT until after 55hrs…

[@boxer5895]

Me too bro 👍

[@itisim]

@@boxer5895 I made that move

[@TyreeseSmithers]

I been hauling fuel for a few years first and Richmond Virginia now and Dallas Texas for the company World fuel service benefits are the best and I’m making over $30 hours but I been thinking bout going back OTR flatbed because of the crazy hours in fuel hauling the money is good but with Flatbed OTR I believe that I was having more time with the family then this fuel hauling..I never thought bout LTL

[@MrByTheMile]

LTL is even better than flatbed. Check out more of my recent content for a better understanding. I have weekends off. Paid holidays off both the day of and the day after. And get this? If the holiday lands on a weekend the way new year and Christmas did we still get paid that extra day

[@allhustlenoluck9925]

Does world fuel services pay overtime and do u work weekends and is it night or day shifts ?

[@Murphys_Law9]

@@allhustlenoluck9925yea u gonna work weekends and holidays, day or night depends on you but night usually pays more. OT after 40

[@truckingwithtonna7491]

Nice channel ☺️

[@MrByTheMile]

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[@luisl.5304]

People are always concerned about chasing nickels and dimes... they don't look at the long run like you did. Thats is always one of my first questions too but I'm always nervous to ask. My only regret is that I chased the nickles and dimes instead of looking at the long run with paid benefits and pension... smh. There was a driver at the company I work at that went to Old Dom and came back after 2 weeks. After that happened I was even more skeptical. I was going to get on with SAIA but they decided not to hire me because I have no doubles experience even though I have a clean driving record and have had my CDL since I was 19 (35 now). Hauling fuel is a good job. It's easy but I don't want to have to be out here until I fall over on the loading rack and give up the ghost.

[@scottbarnes7268]

All depends on someone's definition of good money. Fuel hauling can't pay me what I feel is good money. Heavy haul is where it's at.

[@spurs5677]

Are you home daily?

[@scottbarnes7268]

@@spurs5677 no but when im home. I am home for a month straight enjoying my family. That's way more time that I would have doing whatever I want while someone who comes home at night to eat then sleep.

[@spurs5677]

@@scottbarnes7268 how much are you making yearly I made 110k

[@scottbarnes7268]

@@spurs5677 well I don't out my personal business out like that but more than what you said your making. Not leaps and bounds more but more

[@OnlyOneAGTheGreat]

@@scottbarnes7268 that's my plan scott to get flatbed experience and then get my own truck and flatbed/step deck get a contract with the army or marines pulling their equipment to different bases. I have 3 years driving experience already and the door swinging has gotten old. Looking into flatbed companies now as we speak.

[@stvkomer]

Going through the hiring process at ABF now and I hope I get hired. Charlotte NC 😎. Some of these trucking companies treat the drivers like shit. Wouldn't mind the dock work at this point just for a change.

[@vag4lvevo22]

6 weeks after 30 years.

[@mariomends702]

If you leave abf after several years will you lose all your pension

[@MrByTheMile]

No

[@Prachka1]

There is a reason why majority of drivers are considered to be idiots. If a driver earns less than $140+k annually and not home daily, as of 08/2023, that is a stupid driver.

[@trirail812productions8]

ARE THEY ANY OTHERS WHERE YOU WHOULD YOU GO

[@traveltrucker561]

I don’t see nothin at to[ of screen

[@teecee9926]

I think it's better to take advice from someone who actually did both jobs. Not just a bad phone call with 1.

[@MrByTheMile]

It’s Better to take advice from someone that has experience from multiple crafts in this industry not just one. In addition, retirement and health/ medical should be planned for and a man should choose the place with the best plans for these things. Pension and FREE healthcare. Period

[@teecee9926]

@@MrByTheMile no one said you're wrong. I worked for fedex frieght, and currently UPS so as a women i know about choosing good comapnies with great benefits . My opinion is my opinion ,that i think it's"BETTER" KEY WORD. TO take advice from someone who worked both companies thats all.

[@TheTruelakersfan]

Idk why you bashing fuel hauling most fuel companies have 100% benefits paid paid holidays sick days paid time off etc except for kag they the only ones who don’t.

[@MrByTheMile]

The comparison may seem like it’s bashing but it’s just an opinion

[@ericmellenthin2114]

This video did not age well, lots of ABF guys are laid off.

[@MrByTheMile]

Change your attitude and start organizing companies like I am. I don’t complain bro. I act

[@ericmellenthin2114]

@@MrByTheMile No complaining from me. Just pointing out the risk. Look at Yellow, and now UPS post "big contract win" laying off people. The teamsters seem to think, and then convince everyone that supports them that every company is against the employee and has infinite money. When the economy turns bad as it is doing now, you will be laid off in seniority order and then need to get another job anyways regardless of being part of a union or not. This always hurts young guys with families the most. I wish everyone the best, but please be realistic a Union company is not always the answer or the best option.

[@trirail812productions8]

GET A TRUCK GO PULL BULLDOZERS OVER SIZE STUFF

[@trirail812productions8]

DO YOU WANNA TRY HAVY HAUL

[@JR-lb4ng]

The union and teamsters had their time when it was needed most. He speaks of his father being in UPS and retiring from there. So why isn’t he applying at UPS,their pay is much more secure than that of ABF or any other union job out there except for the Longshoremen’s. He is sitting there sipping his drink like he is some bad ass, dude you don’t even have the job and you think you are sitting pretty. You’ve got no idea what you are getting into. You are coming from a OTR position to a LTL, lmao

[@trirail812productions8]

IF YOU DOINT WANNA GO UP THE LADER WHY NOT GET YOUR OWN TRUCK SEEMS LIKE YOU DONT MIND WORKING FOR A BOSS