I WATCHED GILMORE GIRLS FOR THE FIRST TIME - UNPOPULAR OPINIONS? | LUCY WOOD

[@kaylamazooo]

The moment after Rory slept with Dean and says to Lorelei, “I hate you for ruining this for me!” is the most painful scene is the whole series. I feel like that was the first sign of Rory’s selfishness and general lack of awareness.

[@graciekinsey2735]

Dude... yes 0.0

[@iloveyou9406]

Rory always blindly supported lorelai especially during the whole taking off and ending the engagement to max, and Lorelai couldn't even support her or be there for Rory during that time. She didn't have to agree with her (like how rory didn't agree with leaving max) but I think it shows how selfish *lorelai* really was.

[@sandhya7831]

@@iloveyou9406 I think there has to be a difference between supporting ending an engagement vs. supporting sleeping with someone else's husband. I will say though that neither of them are flawless.

[@ameliel8792]

I get what you mean but at the same time I did think it was completely ridiculous for Lorelai to suddenly take some kind of massive moral objection to Rory sleeping with a married man when her own super immature behaviour at times in her own relationships is just totally brushed off and Rory is expected to support her whatever she does. I just thought it came across as so hypocritical of Lorelai. But then we're all hypocrites at times so it was so relatable and I love them both as characters!

[@danir0gers19]

after she slept with dean was when the whole show went downhill

[@dianabumblebottom4598]

My thoughts on Dean, I hated how they dumbed his character down as well. In the beginning he seemed very smart and would have book discussions with Roy, then later on they turned him to an idiot.

[@moonchild8478]

Yeah and they gave him kind of a looser role by making him the man, marrying too early, never finishing college, won't be finding a good job, staying in his home town and then falling apart because of his teenage romance.. That's just someone who is rootless, helpless and not self reflecting.

[@stuffwithsoph8264]

THANK YOU! Everybody says "oh well Jess got Rory's references unlike Dean", Dean for the most part was kind of the best all around but, the writers made him TOO perfect, and needed to find a way for Rory to desire somebody else. Shame because Dean really was the best

[@birdiewolf3497]

@@stuffwithsoph8264 Yes. The writers weren't smart enough to figure out a way to make Jess more interesting than Dean or just give him a different personality, and as a result torpedoed his character. I mean Dean was the mysterious smart cool guy from Chicago. He could keep up with Rory, then the second Jess comes to town all of those traits vanish overnight, even the Chicago part. Dean got royally screwed over.

[@simple.edits.]

one hundred and fiftieth like :))

[@a_noelles]

@@birdiewolf3497 yep. Agree.

[@noelakine]

Well, looks like Paris was on to something when she pointed out that statistically Valedictorians don't always end up in the top later on...

[@roter13]

My valedictorian is doing awful right now so I think she's right lolz

[@MiSolesito]

Omg 😅I am so glad that someone pointed that out, because I also noticed it. It kind of makes me interested to know if the creator of the show made that intensional 🤔

[@Ryan-pg1tw]

@@roter13 maybe you should express yourself more respectful

[@lauriecarson6483]

And Paris became a bitter person who was unhappy and a divorcy

[@mabelccr1000]

That fact is the only reason why im ok with not being the best it’s honestly really reassuring but im also scared of becoming valedictorian and then becoming Rory

[@honestmama3635]

I would love to see Emily as a young woman! Meeting Richard and dealing with his mother! I want to see what made her her..... 😂

[@dakota7314]

I would watch that prequel!

[@Beatmetomorrow]

Theadora Schafer that’s the first thought when i know Emily well😂

[@lu1436]

And that woman, Pennilyn Lott 😡 hahaha

[@Kaya112345]

Yes! I would love to learn more about Emily before she met and married Richard. We know almost nothing about her life pre-marriage. There's the sister that was mentioned in season one and never mentioned again. Her mother is mentioned once that I can recall. We don't even know what her maiden name is.

[@dakota7314]

Maybe it would even lead up to revealing who wrote that letter for Lorelai that was mentioned in the therapy sessions of the revivals

[@JonCach]

I just found out recently that Liza Weil (Paris) originally auditioned for the role of Rory, but the role didn't fit her. Yet, the director (Amy) was so impressed, she created the character of Paris just for her. 🥺 I just can't imagine the show without Paris HAHAHa

[@mabelccr1000]

I cant imagine Paris as Rory

[@CC3193]

Paris and Emily were the top characters in my opinion.

[@lauriecarson6483]

And Liza didn't like how her character was.

[@LauraaLovesMusicXxX]

Why has no-one mentioned the true QUEEN of the show, Miss Patty! She was the epitome of “here for a good time not for a long time”

[@charliez077]

"I'm so happy I had all that sex" is likely my fave line of otherwise often a bit prudish Gilmore Girls ;)))

[@SamidhaGoel]

Same with Taylor.

[@lolafiiona7014]

@@charliez077 so true! they kept it a G rating 😄

[@eveygriffiths7693]

i love her so much but i feel like if her character was a man and was treating women the way she treated men i’d hate them hahaha

[@Simplenotion]

@@eveygriffiths7693 which says a lot about our society and stoneage views of gender...doesn't it?

[@bloocandy247]

The only disagreement I would have from this entire video would be that Jess was a “fake intellectual’. He’s clearly very smart and well read but just too caught up in being a rebel to work hard.

[@talicamacho6565]

I completely agree I was searching for this comment!

[@Pinkladyisv]

I agree. Jess was actually smart and also did genuinely like music but he also was extremely pretentious. A lot of the characters were honestly that way and were never called out on it.Grown up Jess did seem to grow out of this though. It’s one of my favorite shows still but watching it as an adult I can see certain things differently now.

[@isabeldelano2185]

He was smart, but his idea of intellectualism was based on the idea that liking books made him superior to others so I’d agree with the fake intellectualism thing

[@rachel4644]

I don't think he's caught up being a rebel exactly. I think he's angry at the world for various reasons and that in turn manifests into this rebel, 'I don't give a shit' attitude.

[@delfordchaffin5617]

Jess was obviously a sapiosexual and thus still hung up on Rory in the revival. As for "fake intellectual"... he's certainly highly intelligent, but I guess it depends on how you define "intellectual". In some cases, I feel like intellectuals want to be seen as intelligent as much as actually being intelligent and that's certainly not Jess, but again I guess that depends on your take on that label.

[@Ottska]

One aspect that really grinds my gears is Rory & Lorelai's fat shaming. That pool scene in the Netflix special, Rory's ballet review in the series comparing the dancer to a hippo... all while the pair of them live on junk food, fast food and make so much of their constant eating. Poster children for the 'cool girl' trope much?

[@azuraskye88]

Yes! I cant believe they put that in the revival. It really did show them both to be entitled and cold.

[@gemwhite710]

Definitely agree ! I was so disappointed in that storyline

[@jennifershakespeare9705]

Absolutely! It didn’t fit with the show AT ALL.

[@milly6858]

Yes especially when they have such a wonderful character in Suki who is so much more than her size, makes no sense :/

[@LouiiiseM]

Yes! They hate other women so much throughout the show, talking about 'other girls' being silly and slutty. It's so bizarre to me because it feels out of character for people as widely read/cultured as they are? You would expect like... basic white feminism?

[@Hannahk00]

I’m not a fan of Logan, but at least he knew that he was a spoiled trust fund kid. Rory acted like the victim and pretended she wasn’t as privileged as she was.

[@lauriecarson6483]

To me she wasn't. She wasn't born with a silver spoon in her mouth. She worked she didn't have people wait on her. Logan was a spoiled rich boy who has every one do stuff for him.

[@symoneglover5518]

She has a trust fund so please

[@katien3022]

Part of Rory wanted to be a part of the privileged life like her grandparents and another part of her tried to be that hardworking independent woman like her mom, but she was just too selfish to pull the second one off.

[@mary-catherineelizabeth7277]

@@lauriecarson6483 Rory didn't work though. Well she worked hard in school but she never had a job. I'm not even a Rory hater but she didn't work as hard as most people have to.

[@lstarsabb]

@@mary-catherineelizabeth7277 Agreed and she never had to stress for money at ALL she wasn't spoiled, but she was privileged and her biggest problem was dealing with her mom and grandmother using her as a reason to fight with each other. And well yes, she had to do her part by studying and working towards college she had a leg up because of her family name and the private school. I do think people are too hard on Rory a little tho out of jealously "because she should be more thankful "

[@joxclever]

I always felt SO much compassion for Paris. It seemed like the show wanted to portray her as the kind of spiky antagonist, who Rory puts up with. But me, I could only see an anxious, probably neurodivergent, neurotic young woman who was really struggling. Like when she melts down after not getting into Harvard.

[@lovebercy]

YEAH!! favorite character all the way

[@lauriecarson6483]

Paeis was a bully and im really surprised Rory puts up with her craps. The things she does to Rory wouldn't fly inn real life.

[@katien3022]

I agree, her insecurities and anxiety were very clear basically him meeting her. It was nice that Rory would try to befriend her because she really needed that, but also she was just a lot to handle. Definitely needed professional help processing a lot of things.

[@constantly_screaming4496]

that was so shocking not getting into Harvard, it was good to show a character and how badly pressure can affect them

[@doctorwholover1012]

What really killed me was that Paris was 1000% more suited personality wise to Rory's dream of being Christiane Amanpour than Rory was, and yet Paris was constantly punished for having the drive, focus and confidence required to go after what she wanted (I'm talking exclusively professionally, the intricacies of their personal dynamics is another topic)

[@gabicook9]

My favorite moment EVER is when Luke pushed Jess into the river. I DIE every time 😂😂😂

[@endangerederin2424]

whenever i need a laugh, i look up the clip on youtube. 10/10

[@marissaconrad9864]

YES!! omw I love that scene

[@FearDeception]

I remember saying to myself "And that is why I love Luke!" (I also watched GG for the first time this year. Needed something "light" during the darkness of Covid/Pandemic.)

[@juliamikhailova4233]

LITERALLY SAME

[@vi0lentPikachu]

LMAO! Yes 😆🤣🤣

[@katharina3335]

The show really did Lane Dirty. I’m Still angry about her storyline

[@kristy_Henry]

me too. Lane was one of the best. I wished so much more for her

[@melaniejager6286]

absolutely! still mad at this...

[@elizabethgardner6832]

The writer had planned for Lane to marry Dave Rygalski, but then the actor left to become the star of another series. The good news is that there is a happier ending in real life. Lane is based on the writer's best friend who really is married to a man named Dave Rygalski. I find comfort in that. However, I agree that it would have been better for Lane to end up any other way but married to that annoying band mate.

[@kristy_Henry]

my biggest problem is that she is stuck in Stars hollow. i always imagined her travelling around, playing music. not necessarilly super succesfull but happy.

[@uncannybits2571]

I know! Lane was fav character and I really did think she would one day end up with a lady but I guess that’s just a little self-inserty lol.

[@ProsaicFluff]

I watched the original series when I was pretty young and then watched the revival right when it came out on Netflix (I was 26 at the time). My initial reaction to Rory as an adult was of extreme shock and disappointment (with the showrunners, not with her as a character, because at first I thought they did her dirty). But after looking back on the initial show, I realized that Rory's evolution was actually very natural and fitting from a writing perspective. She grew up completely idolized by everyone around her. Everyone. Even the people who could not make peace amongst themselves (like Lorelai and her parents) could come together in their adoration for Rory. But all this blind love, all this awe, stemmed either from a limited perspective (small town people leading small town lives) or from a very subjective, biased place (friends and family). Realistically speaking, she was never all that special. She had no unique, groundbreaking or original ideas. She was a well mannered, studious, dedicated (not necessarily passionate), conventionally pretty girl who was brought up to believe that she deserved and was destined to do great things. And as much as Lorelai wanted to raise her grounded and humble, separated from their posh and privileged relations, I think the constant praise got to her in the end. And it got to us, as young teens watching the show. Without realizing it, I found myself admiring young Rory just like the people around her did. And on the basis of what, exactly? I was about her age back then and looking at her now, there's nothing I find inspiring about her personality. To me Lane and Paris are far more interesting characters, both very neurotic and flawed and in deep need of therapy, but with a drive and passion I never quite saw in Rory. Because they had to overcome emotional hardships Rory never dealt with, not truly. The gut wrenching awkwardness of teen life and not feeling good enough or accepted or desired. Rory had always been accepted and desired. And in the rare moments she wasn't, she could run back to the people who kissed her ass telling her how amazing and great she was. In all of her academic years it kinda felt like she was aiming for proficiency because that's what people expected of her, not because it was truly what she wanted. And maybe that's why she found herself so easily swayed or discouraged at the first sign of external resistance/rejection. I think Rory always had the potential to achieve impressive things career-wise, but she was too coddled for her own good and it molded her into a lost, directionless, entitled and very selfish young adult. She was never the unproblematic perfect little angel we were constantly told she was, and it all came to light in the revival. That's not a bad thing from a writing perspective. Just very interesting to think about. I've seen the show a couple of times now at different stages in my life and my perspective, especially on Rory, has greatly shifted. If anything, it's a testament to the creator's talent. I agree that Emily is the best character in the show. And I absolutely loved her ending in the revival. I also wish Adam Brody never left to film The OC. Dave and Lane were perfect for each other.

[@ninaroullin5164]

oh my god. you absolute great comment deserved more than a simple like. I totally agree with you on everything and it's so well said

[@Jazzy-nh4xs]

Amazingly put that was great to read!

[@ameliel8792]

Love this analysis! But dear God am I the only one who couldn't stand Emily? While she was incredibly well acted (too well!), for those of us with an actual, real life Emily in their family, the level of narcissism and dysfunction is hard to watch.

[@not-a-ghost2206]

@@ameliel8792 i always admire how the character is written, but i dislike emily just as you. I think the great thing about emily is that you always think she's gonna change and then she Returns to her old ways of manipulations. She is flawed and human, but she loves her granddaughter. Her and lorelais relationship is my worst case on how i dont want to have a relationship with my future daughter. Its also funny how much her and lorelai are alike with their wittyness and sarcasm. But i agree she would be annoying af in real life. Which is the goal of course because you can understand lorelai why she run away. I think its a great example that neglect isnt always basic needs,because the gilmores could Provide with that. But abuse is also psychological and emily Shows how its done, good or bad. Sorry for my english, its not my mother tongue🙊

[@ameliel8792]

@@not-a-ghost2206 so true what you said here! Yes it's so well written isn't it? It breaks my heart when Lorelai gets her hopes up with Emily and then is let down time and time again, and worse she has to watch her parents make real effort with Rory the way they did not with her. It's such an accurate insight into those types of relationships where you ultimately just have to decide to pick up any pieces of goodness you can possibly find or you choose to walk away forever. It makes me think Amy SP could only have been writing from experience. Yes exactly - phsychological abuse often goes unnoticed because you can be living in a well off, well respected family to the outside world.

[@megansmith3535]

Strongest Gilmore Girls opinion: The scene where Lorelai bursts into Rory's room and says 'pack!' after supposedly having dumped Max Medina is one of the weirdest TV moments of all time. I honestly felt like they'd forgotten that Lorelai actually needed to tell Max that the wedding was off.

[@mw5218]

I was so confused. I thought she was just gonna bail on him and there's gonna be a scene with him being hurt over it later but apparently he knew?

[@lapernice6978]

She actually bailed as I understood it. I hate her for that.

[@irenexgg]

I think she called him right before and told him, because it isn't like she didn't appeared at her wedding, she just called it off.

[@lauriecarson6483]

@@lapernice6978 so what would you have her do. Marry Max and be miserable like she did with Chris.

[@lillylarson5415]

Chad Michael Murray’s character “Tristan” says that his dad is sending him to a military school in North Carolina. As soon as he leaves Gilmore girls that’s when he started One Tree Hill which takes place in North Carolina

[@ediecastell4573]

similar to how when adam brodys character went to college in california, when he started the oc

[@lauriecarson6483]

Ok

[@honeybumble1012]

My heart is forever broken by Dean's character development. He started as the cool guy from Chicago who understands Rory's 'obscure' pop culture references. He genuinely cares for her and wants to treat her well. He had such potential.

[@ana-jg5en]

pilot dean and dean throughout the rest of the series are entirely different people. he becomes so over-protective and almost emotionally manipulative, as well as making rory feel bad for studying. rory and we as the audience deserved cute, cool and mysterious dean from the pilot!!!!

[@ariannagrey3070]

But also Rory cheating and leading him on really made me hate her character and feel for Dean

[@maxfr142]

@@ana-jg5en I think Dean was extremely insecure with Rory running around town with Jess all the time. He knew deep down that she liked him and was practically strangling her to be with him. She should’ve manned up and admitted it before leading him on and cheating (kissing Jess). We have to remember he was also a teenager, so we cannot excuse Rorys huge part in it.

[@abcdefgold]

@@ana-jg5en I think the fact that he became more controlling and more stupid are kind of two separate issues - I have no problem with him becoming more controlling/insecure because they hinted at that before Jess even came into the picture (him breaking up with Rory because she wouldn't say I love you back a couple of weeks in) so the fact he just became more and more controlling & insecure made sense to me - plus a lot of the time he was reacting to two different guys (Jess and Tristan) actively trying to sabotage the relationship. The dumbing him down though, that was obviously just done to make Jess look like a better match in comparison lol so that's annoying. Of course he's not going to act insecure or manipulative in the pilot, they had only just met

[@ania5038]

My opinion of him actually did the complete opposite lol I thought he was definitely too controlling at times but really it was just his immaturity/insecurity because at the end of the day he didn't actually want to control her, and was there for her at her lowest points. Also, I think it's valid to remember that both of the boys that were chasing Rory, whose behaviour solely caused Dean's jealousy, were not only actively trying to break up their relationship but also treating Rory like absolute garbage most of the time so I see it more as warranted protectiveness and personally would much prefer that to any of the other bullshit from the other guys. Obviously I don't condone cheating, but he got married so young and early that it doesn't cut as deep as it used to for me because it was as much Dean's fault for marrying when he wasn't over Rory, than it was Rory's for participating. I think had Jess never entered the picture and ruined everything (HOW are people Team Jess just HOW) by being a horrible human being they would have stayed together. Sure, he wasn't as well-read as Jess or well-educated as Logan but he wasn't really dumbed down (Rory's first conversation with him about Rosemary's Baby the movie vs. the book showed that he was more average than her), he was more on Luke's level and he ended up going to university too even if it wasn't one of the Big Three. Being intellectually equal is not always the same as being intellectually compatible. That's my opinion and I'm allowed to have it!

[@ellar6188]

Re: Rory’s boyfriends - Jess, even in the original series, showed enormous growth and development. By the time we get to the revival, he’s a truly good, stable person, but Rory’s way off track. Teenage Jess did not deserve teenage Rory. Grown Rory does not deserve grown Jess. Also as much as I love Luke for Lorelei, Max Medina is the perfect man. Gilmore Girls is my comfort show. I keep it on in the background a lot, but when I’m sad, sick, or lonely, I always go back to Stars Hollow.

[@danadpt2012]

Oh I loved Max! He was the best.

[@HawlyAly]

Agree for the most part, but people give jess way too much credit as an adult. Him yelling at Rory about how she's changed was definitely a red flag, not romantic. Don't get me wrong, rory is a horrible person, but you don't get to yell at someone for being different than they were as a teenager and tell them how they're supposed to be. It was controlling and manipulative.

[@ellar6188]

@@HawlyAly Definitely agree! I more mean the Jess in the revival (I don’t remember him yelling at her there, but I may be blanking). He seemed a lot more calm and collected, and listened to Rory complain better than I would have. I’ve always been more Team “Rory not dating until she figures herself out.”

[@raellepickton6844]

Max was my favourite for Lorelei too! People love Luke for Lorelei but his negativity polarized with her positivity truly depresses me. I think after I while that would crush her soul, and I think that's exactly what it did (shown through the state of their relationship in the Revival). Hes a good guy at heart, but not for Lorelei.

[@taliamariko.illustration2352]

Each time I rewatch the show, I realize more how Max is actually a great guy. He's thoughtful, smart, stable, and he and Rory truly had a connection. I think he and Lorelai could have worked out, but she just had so much baggage that she never dealt with (I guess? I always kind of get the sense she just chickened out). Jason was and still is the absolute worst, Christopher was at least good looking but also terrible in so many ways.

[@beckywillcox4105]

Also we have to remember that teenage Jess had some real absent parents and his Mum chose random guys over him throughout his childhood so the kids got issues 😂

[@ana-jg5en]

yes!!!! and the fact that he somehow still ended up being such a great person is a testament to how good a person he really is

[@DrGregoryHouseIT]

Ironically he was meant to have a show about reconciling with his father, but apprently it was a bit too expensive (or more likely it would've come off as an Everwood ripoff)

[@bechowes5747]

Why does everyone forget Max Medina? He was such a sweetie and he never did very much wrong. The reason why their relationship did not last was because of Lorelai

[@taytepotato9004]

Because he’s forgettable

[@hannapriskilla9815]

He was my favorite!

[@maytalacedo2942]

I remember him. He's just there granted Lorelei wldve give him a chance if Lorelei wasn't a wuss and just dumped him the last second on their wedding day.

[@tamomadi2086]

I didn't like him. I especially hated how he tried to not exactly control Rory but like asked her if it was Okey to still be outside with Dean? Even though he wasn't her dad. I know he was gonna be but I just didn't like him

[@hopestakes9207]

JUSTICE FOR MAX!!!! He was the actual best man that either of them ever dated.

[@laneyb.1508]

I think one of the worst parts of the revival was how awkward Lorelai was being at Richard's funeral and how she couldn't think of a good memory of him. That was hard to watch. But what made up for it was when Lorelai was on her hiking trip and called Emily, finally describing her best memory with Richard. Makes me sob every time.

[@samanthabrown3467]

That whole scene we have to thank Lauren for! She told ASP for years she wanted an insane monologue. And Amy freakin’ delivered in the revival!

[@lauriecarson6483]

She was out on this spot and didn't want to say anything but Emily made her do it and didn't know what to say

[@deliciapinales1689]

yeah idk why they never let lorelai’s prolonged hatred for her parents grow out like they never let them have a resolution. she resented them after one died too like really ???

[@doctorwholover1012]

Watching those scenes is so powerful for me, like you can see lorelai struggling to process the reality of her father's passing + her inability to find a memory to share felt like her brain blue-screening over the fact that she ONLY has memories left of him 😭 and then when she calls her mother and is able to share the memory with her after she finally connects to her emotions in privacy (in nature - I think that being in her parents house when she was being asked put her into a emotional fight/flight mode bc of her history there, while being completely alone surrounded by nature allowed her to feel safe + express her feelings better)

[@lauriecarson6483]

Everyone grives differently. I hated how Emily demanded Lorelai to particpate into saying something about Richard when Lorelai didn't want to do it.

[@rosannashort2443]

Are we not going to talk about how they straight up pretended Michelle was straight for 7 seasons?!?!?

[@kerriethompson2073]

Exactly! I remember watching the show and they implied Michele had girlfriends. Then in the revival they say Michele is gay. Not that there's anything wrong with it, but it seemed like the writers didn't seem to be consistent with that fact.

[@sammi1078]

They did kind of imply that he liked women, but they also didn't imply that he didn't like men either. For all we know he could be a pan or bi man who has the attitude and style of a stereotypical gay man. That being said I do know quite a few straight guys who have the same "stereotypical gay man" attitude

[@harrypotterrocks55]

if you couldn't tell Michelle was gay watching the show you never watched the show. 1.His love of Celine Deon 2.His attitude 3.His job at that hotel in season 3 or 4 I can't remember which

[@graciekinsey2735]

Makaila Lancaster Not exactly true. He is mentioned many times as “going on a date with a woman” in the original show. Yes he loved Celine Dion but the writers didn’t make him gay until the revival.

[@harrypotterrocks55]

@@graciekinsey2735 I mean I could tell within like 3 episodes he was gay. Maybe that’s just me

[@roisinoneill1324]

I really hate that lorelai was always like "oh dean was so great" when he was basically consistently emotionally abusive and lorelai just condoned it.

[@laurashepherd2479]

YUP!

[@ashlynaho9067]

Lorelai didn’t know any better 🤷🏻‍♀️😢. She grew up with such emotionally abusive parents and has so many unresolved issues surrounding that, she can’t see the obvious emotional manipulation in front of her face.

[@tonzyjc]

I disagree! I loved Dean. Rory didn't deserve Dean. She played with his feelings and literally cheated on him

[@chels5713]

I cant stand Dean. I will never understand how people think he was the best first boyfriend. He got jealous every time he saw her talking to any other guy. for example, he broke up with Rory because he saw her talking to Tristan in front of school and because she wasn't ready to say I love you. I feel like he never acknowledges what he does wrong. like when he cheated on his FIANCE!!! Also when Dean and Rory were going to get back together and then he saw her with all those rich guys and Logan he just decides no thanks we aren't compatible anymore. Maybe i'm bias cause i really like jess but i also feel like if Jess weren't a factor i still wouldn't like Dean.

[@tonzyjc]

@@chels5713 definitely bias but that's ok. He didn't break up with her because she was talking to Tristan, also if anyone response to me like she did after i say i love you then i would be upset too tbh. She handled that situation wrong, even if she wasn't ready to say it back(typical Rory). The cheating on his wife was horrible but let's be real ....he shoul have never gotten married. He wasn't over her but he HAD to end it cause she played him. She was sneaking around with Jess, kissed Jess all while with Dean. Oh and what she do while with Jess...compare him to Dean and kinda always run to him for comfort cause Jess was a jerk. I could only tolerate older mature Jess but him in season 2&3 is a no from me 😒 he was unreliable, irresponsible and a jerk to everyone except her (which doesn't make him a good person imo) Ppl really forget that Rory gave Dean a reason to be jealous everytime that he was jealous. She didn't see it but he did and it was always accurate with Tristan, Jess and Logan. (She claimed she liked nun of them when reality is she did like them) I'm so happy in the Netflix special that Dean was happy and didn't pay her the attention that she craves. ( I like Rory ah but she's problematic)

[@lindsiebenaler]

I felt the "Reluctant Team Jess" comment deep within my soul. Adult him is perfection but wooo boy were the early years rough. Also loved the way you describe the show as the perfect warm, comfort blanket series. I've literally been watching it on repeat since I was a teenager. I feel like it is genuinely part of my being. Justice for Lane Kim!!!

[@mila113014]

Hear, hear!

[@elmogal4lyyyfe]

Jess never did her dirty tho! Yes he was the bad boy and didn't care much about others but he always cared for Rory and did the best by her.

[@kerriethompson2073]

@@elmogal4lyyyfe exactly! Plus Jess was the only one who gave Rory the wake up call she needed to get back to Yale and the idea of her writing a book.

[@misstonix]

worst moment of the show was when rory slept with dean and the best moment was when luke got so mad at jess that he pushed him into the lake lmao

[@valeriarodriguez-cadillavi6841]

Agreed

[@josward1876]

That scene at the lake was fucking hilarious

[@KrislonR]

I think your point about how easily Rory switched her dream from Harvard to Yale just shows how little passion she really had for life...if that makes sense. Like, the Harvard dream was really Lorelai's dream for Rory, and when her grandparents came back into her life and she wanted their support, too, it was easy for her to switch her dream to Yale to make other people happy. I also agree it made sense logistically for her to be closer to Stars Hollow.

[@MiSolesito]

I really wished she would have gone to Harvard instead it seemed like the perfect school for her

[@saharaasher8959]

I think the fact that she didn’t go to Harvard proved that 1. She didn’t have much passion and 2. She never thought much about her other options because Lorelai wanted her to go so badly

[@thefaceofinsecurity]

Besides, isn’t Harvard out of state? Was Lorelai really that loaded that she was fully prepared to, even with scholarships and financial aid, pay for FOUR YEARS AT A PRIVATE IVY LEAGUE COLLEGE like ma’am

[@lauriecarson6483]

@@thefaceofinsecurity no she wasn't loaded at all

[@katien3022]

Yes. It represented a shift for her attitude too. Because first she seemed to want to be like her mom, that hardworking independent woman and so she wanted to please her and go to Harvard. But then she began to desire the class and privilege her grandparents had so she chose Yale.

[@EmmaBlyth7]

I love that when you talk about Rory’s boyfriends, you forget Rory’s revival boyfriend as much as she did 😂

[@jostewart3192]

Yeah right 😂

[@EvelineUK]

Oh that was so annoying how long they kept that going.

[@popcornrain6572]

🤣😂

[@chels5713]

That was so dumb. even her family and literally everyone else kept forgetting he was a thing

[@speeddash4979]

@@EvelineUK right like what? Out of character for the show and for her 🙄

[@jpickar]

My wife (then gf) and I watched Gilmore Girls together. It was a great way to have real conversations about emotions and relationships. It'll always be part of our lives, I proposed in the Stars Hollow gazebo and our first dance was to "Where You Lead".

[@ana-jg5en]

this is the sweetest thing i have ever heard oh my goodness

[@poofadieppa]

This is so sweet!!! 🥲

[@chipham8592]

Wait.. weren’t you in the revival? I believe the Gilmore guys mentioned it.

[@jpickar]

@@chipham8592 i was! That’s how i got to propose on set

[@belhlv]

THIS IS THE BEST COMMENT I'VE HAVE E V E R SEEING ON KZbin

[@abigailw8037]

I completely agree .. I think it is Logan’s baby making him her Christopher and then Jess is her Luke! I want another season so badly 😩

[@bigreg4048]

Jess isn't her luke Jess he's Jess I truly don't get why people like Jess for her tbh

[@sashaweber3663]

@@bigreg4048 I also don't like Jess for her. Jess needs a much better person than Rory is in the revival. He's grown up and turned out to be a decent person , while Rory kinda peaked in HS and became very entitled and stuck up since she went to college, becoming a complete hot mess in the revival 🤷‍♀️

[@graciekinsey2735]

Abigail, I COMPLETELY AGREE

[@pkmntrainermatheu1841]

We all know the baby daddy is the Wookie.

[@bluejay5637]

Wouldn’t it be something if they gave us another season and instead of Logan being her Christopher... Rory herself became Christopher and he raised the baby while she popped in and out from time to time. Lol

[@TheGreengarden96]

I think the hidden plot of the tv show is that Rory slowly turns into everything Lorelay didn't want to be. Because she starts out just going to private school ( which is what starts it) but slowly gets more into the world of her grandparents: having a coming out party, going to yale, joining the DAR, hanging out with rich people including Logan. If you rewatch it with this in mind it all kind of makes sense.

[@merdelune9]

So true! I never saw it that way.

[@kaliegourley7252]

Amy the og writer said she always planned on the show coming around full circle

[@luizacastilho8050]

really interesting what you said about older rory being just an avarage thirty and something woman, not the failure that everyone says. i don't think there were 2 rorys, i think rory always was terrible at living the parts of her life that weren't planned. she's always wanted men she couldn't have: jess when she was dating dean, dean when he was married and logan when he was engaged. i think rory loved logan also because of the world he could provide to her, she was always enchanted by his house, his gifts, his traveling plans. i also think mitchum wasn't wrong about her not "having it" for jornalism. he was a total jerk, but wasn't all wrong. i think lorelai is a lot like emily, she also wanted to live her dream through rory, convincing her to want to go to harvard since she was three (not normal, not healthy). also, she wanted rory to be perfect just like emily wanted her to be perfect. you can tell that by the reactions she has when rory does something wrong or that she wasn't expecting.

[@KrislonR]

Agreed. I think Emily and Lorelai were very similar in many ways, especially their expectations.

[@doctorwholover1012]

I always reference that scene in the hotel on the way to Mia’s wedding, where lorelai and Emily are putting on their face cream and Rory points out “behold my future”, along with the scene where lorelai questions if she likes pop tarts genuinely or to spite her mother, as main evidence towards Emily and lorelai being the same thought process/personality approached via two extremes; the housewife raised in upper middle class Americana, where things are done “properly” and there’s a “proper” way to do things, VS the teen pregnancy runaway rebellious proto-teen mum, where she’s a “fun mum”, free spirit, hanging out with her kid as a friend etc. They have the same energy; lorelai planning out the inn renovations and working her way up in the hotel to become manager, directing people with confidence and self-assurance, Emily directing domestic staff, planning work dos for her husband, building her standing in the DAR. lorelai is, against her fervent wishes, so much like her mother, on the surface she works to be everything she missed out on as a kid (maintain proper spacing and distance, other kids got hugs, etc) but she can’t escape her roots lol

[@KrislonR]

@@doctorwholover1012 Great examples! They are so, so similar.

[@rebekka2921]

All of this was so well said. When I read “she’s always wanted men she couldn’t have” I thought of her relationship to Christopher. Did she want men she couldn’t have because of her relationship to her dad? She must have wanted a relationship with him as a young girl and teen, but it was a relationship she couldn’t have.

[@doctorwholover1012]

@@KrislonR thanks! i cant believe i forgot to mention the way that emily wanted more out of her life than being 'just another DAR lady' and so married Richard, a man who supported her and adored her and respected her, instead of the (admittedly small sample we see) relationships typical to her social class/group (christopher's parents and the way strom + francie were handling the news of the teen pregnancy vs emily and richard) and lorelai wanting not just more than her mothers life but a completely different life, and going after it without regrets or hesitantion. both of them are people who know what they want, dont put up with fools, stand firm about their positions, are intensely loyal, and believe wholeheartedly in their 'view' of the world (eg emily believing that proper women marry properly and behave properly etc and lorelai believing people should forge their own path and make the life choices that suit them, not make them for others/out of expectation) !! i love their dynamic interactions, bc its so often not "immoveable object vs unstoppable force" but "two unstoppable forces intersecting and causing a massive pileup"

[@MollieTrom]

I totally agree that Babette and Maury are the greatest couple! I also need to give props to Max, the most genuine and wholesome love interest in the entire series.

[@mariasweeneyblanco]

Yes!! so true

[@lauriecarson6483]

Agree too disagree

[@clairefoster867]

Completely agreement with everything. Side notes; I always felt like Jess being neglected by his mum made him the angry young man he was and he wasn't ready to be what Rory needed him to be. But he was fundamentally a good person, he was just a lost, lonely teenager. As he went out on his own and grew up he became such a good man and so good for Rory. Team Jess forever! Also the best characters are definitely Emily, Lorelei... and Paris!! I love Paris!

[@clairefoster867]

Completely agreement with everything? Am I alright?

[@ana-jg5en]

yes yes yes!! jess had such a difficult time and it annoyed me that lorelai wasn't sympathetic towards him at all, and almost revered dean when dean was actually very emotionally manipulative and constricting. jess treated rory better than dean treated rory in my opinion - rory always had to make sure she wasn't too friendly with a guy so as not to annoy dean, had to prioritise him over her studies, and basically just had to put his feelings before hers without receiving anything in return. jess deserves the world imo lmao

[@haleyadamic]

Nope. No to Lorelei

[@BlueYellowGreenVc]

@@ana-jg5en this is just not true. Every time Dean got jealous of a guy in relation to Rory, it was always guys who actively sought to threaten their relationship (Tristan, Jess) of which he was well of aware. Imo he was completely justified in his jealously especially since Rory seemed to have no backbone and never really established boundaries with those guys when she knew she was in a relationship. Dean was never manipulative to Rory and always showed up for her even to events he wouldn't otherwise go to. Rory was not a good gf to Dean, specifically when jess came into the picture. They made Dean into this needy, possessive guy but that was only because he was trying to hold on to a relationship that was already fading. Trying to hold on to Rory when she kept pulling away...for Jess. Also why would Lorelei like Jess when he was an ass to EVERYBODY including her? Why would any mother want someone like that for this daughter. Even Rory acknowledged it and questioned why Jess was only nice to her. Jess as a character, from his introduction to the end of the relationship with Rory, was an ass.

[@Jess-eo1yk]

I’ve never related to anything more than the mental health “latch on to something” sentence.

[@006Katie]

Me too

[@ashleyduty8366]

SAME. I've heard that we latch on because we know the characters can never leave us. Dark.

[@rachelx1371]

Yes. Apparently there’s a theory that anxious people tend to rewatch series rather than start new ones, because they know the ending and cannot get stressed out by the show. Which definitely rings true for me x

[@ashleyduty8366]

@@rachelx1371 Yep. That's me. Also I can fall asleep and won't have missed anything.

[@amyfenton8339]

@@rachelx1371 I’m exactly the same, I latch onto tv shows especially Gilmore girls because I know what happens plus not much sad things happen in it. It calms me down so much from any level of anxiety or sadness. I’ve watched it over 40 times and know it pretty much off my heart

[@emmapitstick6944]

Emily's ending was so good and Lane needed at least a musical ending like something as simple as her becoming a music teacher

[@Jazmine375]

The Yale switch made absolutely perfect sense. She only wanted Harvard her whole life because Lorelei wanted her to go to college but absolutely not Yale because Richard went there, but after she went there, and did the pro/con list, and realized that not only would she be close to home, but it had more to offer and spiting him was not a good enough reason to not go to the school she wanted. It was the right choice and made perfect sense.

[@blubimnotafish]

I think Rory's turning point was possibly when she did that internship and Mitchum was an ass. She never really got told she couldn't so or achieve something, so when someone she looked up to tells her maybe she can't, she completely melts down. She did this a few times before as well (like when advised to drop a class), but none with such a disastrous result as this time. After that she just got a bit weird, I think.

[@jostewart3192]

Agree

[@HawlyAly]

And that's why I think Logan was actually the best boyfriend, that helped her see the reality of the world and grow up.

[@blubimnotafish]

@@HawlyAly Hmm, maybe! He at least was one of the few who wasn't afraid to tell Rory how privileged she is! (just watched s7ep8 where exactly this happened)

[@mariana-ni9wl]

@@HawlyAly mmm I agree about Logan being the best boyfriend, but he did not helped her to see the reality of the world and grow up. First of all it was his dad not him. And when he knew about what happened he was as much as angry as everybody. And grow up? Definitely the contrary, when Rory was with Logan she became more privilege and she get more used to having luxuries for which she didn’t have to make an effort

[@luizacastilho8050]

agree

[@julianiquet]

The thing is that Rory was always impressed by the grandparents. She wanted the life that Lorelai rejected.

[@JYYB]

Julia Niquet I want that life lol.

[@julianiquet]

@@JYYB I wouldn’t mind either 😂

[@azuraskye88]

I agree. They shaped her. And lorelai pushed her towards that life too

[@julianiquet]

I don’t think lorelai did. On the contrary, she resented Rory when she realised that. She wanted Rory to be like her, which is also very problematic. In the episode of the match making party she even says that.

[@miekemuis480]

Yes, exactly! And I think that completely went to her head when she started at Yale and had this matchmaking party at her grandparents'. She was completely blinded AND blindsided by this glamorous way of living and the behaviour of the people in these circles (like the guys from the Life and Death Brigade), that she seemed to have forgotten completely who she actually was, the no-bullshit caring girl that loves to learn new things and just read and listen to alternative music that we see in the first seasons. That + her complete inability to comprehend and handle her own emotions and feelings (which, imo, also lead her to the affair with Dean) has steered her off of her path, the person she was and wanted to be. Many people say that Rory just became 'awful' and 'selfish' and so on, which is partially true I guess, but all I see is a girl that got completely lost and wasn't in touch with herself anymore. (Which is highly realistic and very relatable, since many people lose themselves in a way during adolescence and often forget who they really are under the influence of all that is going on when growing up) Maybe this was because the big world she got in going into Yale overwhelmed her and her small-town upbringing could in no way have prepared her for that and for what adulthood actually is (a true rollercoaster, really), because Stars Hollow is a sweet and magical environment and in no way comparable to the harsh reality of the big, competitive, academic world she enters. I think all these facets (together with her adoration for her grandparents) are the perfect recipe for falling for Logan, who's rich, cheeky (a bit like Jess), confident and offers her a perfect form of escapism through the Life and Death Brigade + he wants to take care of her and I feel like that is very appealing to her, the fact that she could fall back on him. That's kind of my feeling regarding Rory's character development, please let me know if you agree!

[@Geminwonderland]

Unpopular opinion - I never liked Rory. She always felt so entitled to me. Grown up Rory is exactly who I expected her to turn out to be 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@mariana-ni9wl]

Saaaame. Even if she was ok in the first seasons I didn’t like her because how “perfect” everyone keep saying she was and she believe it

[@pokemasterluigi]

I think her entitlement certainly got worse as the seasons progressed, particularly once she got to Yale and then her drop out and moving in with her grandparents. It took her to a very privileged and snob mindset that just wasn't likeable at all.

[@TheSophiezation]

Yes!!!! I agree 100%. As a teenager I always thought Rory was so annoyingly perfect and I definately didn't feel like I could relate to her at all.

[@bethaniebentley1340]

She had so much potential as a young girl....although yes very spoilt.

[@cfloster]

I feel like we all hate Rory lol

[@deborahmae1031]

Would be interesting to see how Rory's life would have gone had she attended Harvard.

[@FreyaEinde]

I kinda felt like her dropping out of Yale was the best choice for her and I wish she went on with that. It's not the plan but it was more her actual personality

[@thelove9160]

@@FreyaEinde rory was always meant to go to school I just wished she hadn’t gone to chilton I feel like if she carried on with public school she would’ve been able to find a route to her dreams herself

[@FreyaEinde]

@@thelove9160 I suspect that's true too. But I also kinda think at a certain point you gotta shrug off your parents expectations or else you'll be miserable so...who knows.

[@AbbyNicole10]

I’m glad you mentioned that you loved teenage Rory. When people complain about adult Rory I feel like they just ignore the fact that as a teenager she was a much better character. I think a big factor in it is just that she was praised so much her entire life when really she’s pretty ordinary. Sure, she was smart and studied hard, but everyone in Stars Hollow always made it seem like Rory was a genius (you see her kind of struggle with this when she first gets to Chilton but she does catch up pretty quickly) She was also conventionally pretty so everyone talked about that too. Every time she needed money for something she knew her grandparents would help her (even if that money came with conditions like Friday night dinners, she didn’t have to actually work for it unlike Lorelai who didn’t become entitled bc she worked hard to get away from all of that when she was a teenager so that she could raise Rory the way she wanted) and I think the year Rory wasn’t going to Yale and wasn’t talking to Lorelai really affected how she turned out..the influence of Logan and living with her grandparents made her become more entitled and less ambitious, and even when she went back to school and started talking to Lorelai again it wasn’t the same

[@katien3022]

Yes she was selfish, entitled, and tried too much on praise and other people’s opinions about her. She wasn’t all bad obviously, but rewatching it older I did realize that she was in fact not that special of a character like the town and her mom made her seem to be. She was pretty annoying and selfish from the beginning.

[@lauriecarson6483]

@@katien3022 oh boo woo

[@emilytahmazian4401]

Fun fact! Keiko, the actress who played Lane, was 26 in season 1!!!!

[@PippityBop]

How on EARTH ? She barely looks 26 in the revival 😂

[@GreekGirlU2]

WHAT!?

[@jif635]

I had to fact check this and yup! She was born in 1973 :O

[@nopeIdontthinkso388]

I knew this ;-)

[@saxongirl3789]

Logan is definitely Rory’s Christopher. The show creator and writer, Amy Sherman-Palladino, was removed from the last season. She has come out and said Rory getting pregnant was meant to be the way the show ended originally (which is why they stuck to that arc in the revival). The idea being that the whole cycle is repeated again and sometimes you can’t escape your parents mistakes... in this way Lorelai would become like her mother, super disappointed in everything Rory would give up to have the baby, given her potential.

[@jerry-maybayer6588]

Ahhhh that makes so much sense!

[@aquietjoy]

I so wish they had done this ending to the original TV series. I feel like it would have been perfect and made the revival much more interesting

[@shannoncollier1611]

I understand the whole her getting pregnant but i cannot see lorelai becoming like her mother towards Rory. She may be disappointed for a while but ultimately she would have loved her grandchild and been there for Rory x

[@namejsliepins2577]

I would speculate that the ending of original show after 7. season would be Lorelei and Rory announcing to each other they are pregnant. That was nearly impossible in revival though.

[@EvelineUK]

In interviews I've watched, Amy Sherman-Palladino seemed so bitter, and she decided to just go ahead with what she had planned for the last season, no matter what actually happened...

[@letisrl]

I always disliked Lorelei's (lack of) relationship with Jess, considering how alike those two are; but specially how petty she still is about him on the revival?

[@graciekinsey2735]

Sorry, how are they alike? Lorelei is one of the most social people THERE IS and Jess barely spoke to anyone outside of Luke and Rory 😭

[@s.h.8399]

@@graciekinsey2735 In my opinion (maybe that's what comealongprongs thinks too?) they both had a difficult, distant relationship with their parents growing up and both had more academic potential, that they couldn't actually embrace because of their partly self-responsible rebel behaviour as teens. both thought they had to become self-reliant quite early (even though Lorelai could've had her parents' help and Jess Luke's). Especially as teenagers both felt like the whole world was against them, so I agree with comealongprongs, Lorelai shoul've understood Jess more (she even tries to point out their similarities and sort of tells him not to make the same mistakes when they first meet).

[@samm2006]

@@s.h.8399 I agree, she gave up on Jess way too quickly.

[@macaroni1121]

I think Lorelai didn't like Jess bc he was a lot like teenage her

[@travelbyqueenb]

That's exactly why they didn't get along, too much alike! Lol

[@haty2008]

Lorelei and Luke’s relationship was one of the best with written relationships in the history of TV just their chemistry and the way the relationship evolved throughout the show it was just amazing to watch.

[@X_MissMary_X]

YES! I'm not seeing anywhere near enough Luke and Lorelai love in these comments!

[@PumpkinMozie]

The writers really did Dean dirty. He started off as one of my favorite characters and was perfect for Rory imo. It felt like the writers were like “nah, her having a good bf isn’t dramatic enough. Guess it’s time to make him awful!” Because character just does a complete 180. He starts off as fun, smart, respectful, and kind. But then suddenly becomes a mean and stupid cheater. It was so strange and out of character. I still think he was too good for Rory. But also there’s always a special place in my heart for original-personality-Dean/original-personality-Rory

[@nightlysobbing]

I feel this.

[@misees]

For all GG's faults, it's something I've been able to put on over and over since I was a kid and it's great nostalgia. Young Jess doesn't deserve Young Rory and Older Rory doesn't deserve Older Jess.

[@victoriacarr2398]

The best thing about the revival was Emily Gilmore. Her dramatic walking out of the DAR was a masterpiece

[@kaliegourley7252]

Emily was the best part of the revival!!

[@atllauren]

If you’re interested in another mid-2000s binge, might I suggest Veronica Mars. Very smart and addictive, and Kristin Bell is just great.

[@katerobinson0811]

I watched Veronica Mars for the first time during lockdown and i couldn’t get enough of it!! Loved it so much! Kristin Bell is amazing

[@mpiper456]

And it also has a revival haha

[@louisacoote2337]

Season 1 of Veronica Mars is one of the best TV shows ever! It’s dark, but funny, the mystery is brilliant, the characters engaging, a wonderful father-daughter relationship.... It’s soooo good!

[@samesylviaplath]

Kristen Bell people. Give her some respect xd

[@spacestuffandstardust5888]

Absolutely agree 100%

[@loveisanopendoor3532]

This show is such a comfort blanket for me as well! I wish they brought back this genre of tv where it’s about normal people doing normal things and going through normal problems. No supernatural shit, no random deaths or stupid scenarios that cause drama. Shows like this are so wholesome and comforting and feel good they’re able to be rewatched again and again. Would highly highly recommend Dawson’s Creek!!! Loved that show in the same way and I would love to hear ur thoughts on it as well. If anyone has any other recommendations pleaseee let me no

[@angelmiranda8389]

Did anyone else love the one seen where they are having a dinner at the weekly dinner and they all started fighting

[@brunadantas6688]

On all Friday night dinners?

[@katiel902]

Omg yes that was sooooo funny😂

[@angelmiranda8389]

@@brunadantas6688 no you'll know when you get to it

[@daisycat583]

I loved it!!! I thought it was the healthiest thing that dysfunctional family could have done!

[@angelmiranda8389]

@@daisycat583 the way that it just all came out in one go keeper me laughing

[@katielloyd3665]

Lorelai was intrinsically very selfish. The way she abandoned Max the day before the wedding was unreal and she can't compromise in relationships. But she's a queen so I forgive her.

[@abhaya_ananth]

Why is it when Lorelai does something wrong, she's a "queen" and it's okay, but when it's Rory, the bar is set so much higher?

[@palomamartorell4184]

@@abhaya_ananth i think its because Rory never shows any type of remorse for it, on top of that she always blames it on someone else. Lorelei isnt necessarily selfish, but she definitely lacks maturity with a coward side to her.

[@abhaya_ananth]

@@palomamartorell4184 I don't think that's true. Of the top of my head, I can think of so many instances where Rory showed remorse - when she went to Dean's house after their dance marathon breakup and climbed a tree just to apologize, she felt so guilty about missing Lorelai's graduation and ranted about how bad she felt, she apologized MANY times to Lucy (way more than necessary imo) about Marty. And she ever defended Jess when everyone accused him of getting her in that car accident. I don't understand why people expect Rory to be perfect. Everyone has made mistakes on this show, but only Rory is held to this impossible standard, which I don't think is fair

[@palomamartorell4184]

@@abhaya_ananth i see your point, I think what people don’t like about Rory is that despite her apologizing so many times for certain things, she makes the same mistakes over and over again, she never shows much character progression. I’d say she also apologizes when she needs to “clear her conscience” rather than a heartfelt apology. It may also be the fact that she maintains in her apologies the “virgin” “puppy eyed” face quite a lot, this make the audience think she wants pity over anything genuine. Shortly after her apologies, she also seems to go on with her life quite casually, she never truly ponders on something more than a few days, she just goes on with her life, once again losing credibility in her apologies, as true guilty can leave you ashamed for months at a time. This explains why Marty once told her he was tired of “innocent doe-eyed act” when she acted clueless towards Logan’s advances on her. Amy palladino as a script writer was aware of that, hence Rory’s bleak ending. I’ve found a lot people in my own life that have manipulated me in that way, they play the virgin role to received empathy for something they have done wrong to deresponsibilize themselves of what they’ve done.

[@abhaya_ananth]

@@palomamartorell4184 I'm sorry you've met people like that. My point is that Rory is a good person, and I don't think she has a mean streak in her (however other characters like Paris for example are just horrible people - but fans just trivialize, or don't even ACKNOWLEDGE her flaws.) People cherry pick reasons to hate Rory, which is totally uncalled for. But if it were other characters like Paris - she's just a "savage" or "it's just a character".

[@elmogal4lyyyfe]

My unpopular opinion: the Gilmore Girls were actually shitty people who used ppl, were careless about others, and weren't REALLY that special. Yes Rory was smart and Lorelei was gorgeous, but they really used ppl. Luke was always working on their house or doing favors for the girls, Lorelei's parents never did anything other than love them, and Suki was given a baby shower WITH EASTER BALLOONS!! This woman is your best friend who celebrated your child getting into the highschool she wanted and you can't be bothered to throw her an actual baby shower?!

[@diamnda]

YES!!! Lorelai and Rory were absolutely not the perfect angels they were made out to be

[@stuffwithsoph8264]

Rory cheated several times throughout the show, was a terrible friend to Lane, Lorelai was terrible to Max Medina, and Jason Stiles, also terrible friend to Sooki

[@izzymorrison5325]

I dunno, I feel like they both just really lacked basic skills like cooking lol and and fixing things around the house. Adult Rory I can’t defend but I think Lorelai did give a lot as well as take, that’s how smaller communities work. Some examples are: her being very involved in stars hollow events, offering up the inn for family/friends, dropping things to rush to friends/family in need, making costumes, sorting out all those donated clothes, helping paint luke’s diner, helping with the sleepover, presents, shopping, the gifts for all the town from their Europe trip, taking in Kirk & Lane on multiple occasions, giving advice. I agree that the way she gave was not always as obvious as Luke for example, but she often noticed little things that people needed and offered help they didn’t know they needed. Her presence and stuff also made a lot of people smile, which imo is just as valuable as the more practical help she received! She was very selfish at times so not saying she’s perfect but nobody is really 🤷🏽‍♀️

[@Gi-223]

omg i just found my people!!!!

[@eveygriffiths7693]

honestly i’m not even gonna comment on rory coz she was a rat. but i feel like lorelei never really grew up properly after having rory at such a young age, like she kinda carried on acting like a teenager forever, i feel like they both knew they were selfish and childish people

[@juliahayman2179]

ok so before I start I should say that I just finished my 17th rewatch and I have a Gilmore Girls tattoo... 1. I always thought that the reason Rory "went bad" was her being around all that privilege at Chilton and Yale. When she was influenced solely by the town and Lorelai she was a joy but I think being around spoiled people spoiled her as a person and you can see this happen slowly over the seasons if you watch the show a few times. 2. The whole Logan is Rory's Christopher and Jess is her Luke thing is called full circle theory by the GG fandom. Speaking of the GG fandom, the best place to find GG discourse and content is Tumblr! I literally kept my high school blog just to keep up with the GG content on Tumblr lol. 3. ASP and the core original GG team did not work on season 7 and I think the idea that they sabotaged the 7th season isn't that insane.... 4. A hill I'll die on: Emily Gilmore is the most interesting character and has the best character development of anyone on the show! 5. Lastly, a fun fact: Laine is based off ASP's best friend and GG co-producer Helen Pai who is married to a Dave Rygalski in real life (tv dave is based off Pai's husband) and Hep Alien the band name is an anagram for Helen Pai!

[@KrislonR]

I agree. I actually think there was a *tiny* bit more diversity (and uniqueness and joy) within Stars Hollow, and when Rory joined the white privilege community that was her grandparents world, she lost what little she had learned of the outside world.

[@kaliegourley7252]

Yes! Thanks for the facts, I think alot of people don't know this little tip bits. Especially the fact that asp didn't write season 7. I've read she wrote the revival as if 7 never happened.

[@Ryan-pg1tw]

maybe you should express yourself more respectful about nr.3

[@matildabishay4679]

I HAVE BEEN SAYING GIL IS UNDERRATED FOR YEARS THANK YOU FOR RECOGNIZING IT

[@sylviajensen252]

hes iconic ngl

[@emilyhannon9546]

I understand introducing drama into the relationship with Luke & Lorelai, but April was a good character that was introduced at a horrible time. I really loved the ep where Lorelai helped with April's birthday party and showed off her awesome girl-mom skills. April's mom was just batshit crazy -- she honestly should have been relieved that Lorelai helped (and probably spent her own money on the party). Luke was there the whole time so it wasn't like Lorelai just banished him to go camping while she dealt with the girls. April's mom's jealousy comes from out of NOWHERE. She can't be jealous of Luke's fiance because she didn't even want Luke in her life? I know it was for the drama, but the whole story line could have fit in better if they could have story-boarded just a bit better. I actually like April -- it's not her fault that she came between Luke and Lorelai at all -- she really seemed to like Lorelai too!

[@dylanelizabeth7712]

Truth!!! It’s not like it was just a rando girl he just met they were engaged and would have been married if she wasn’t such a shotty mother and told April who her father was .... that to me is just so selfish to keep the baby daddy away because of your own personal feelings

[@emmo4765]

I love the podcast Gilmore Guys. And they commonly talk about characters being "Deaned" when the show lost interest in a character they made them into a dumb idiot :'D

[@monroe.Kristin]

I love that podcast too. All I can think is “Max Madeeznuts“

[@MissAlecious]

I don't know if I'll ever be able to watch this show again. This show was my childhood. I grew up from age 9 to 14 watching this show with my dad. I always dreamt of having a mother-daughter bond like Lorelai and Rory's, but couldn't due to my mom sever mental illness and now that my dad recently prematurely passed from covid I realise that I had that all along with him. What father would get so invested in a "girly show", what father would explain "periods" as best as he could, what father would take his daughter shopping for the perfect 18th birthday dress. Mine. He was a blessing and he was taken too soon. Maybe some day I will watch this show with my children, but for now it's still too painful

[@aejlindvall]

I'm sorry, I can't even imagine. Glad that you got to grow up with such an amazing though despite missing him unbearably now!

[@chloe067]

😭❤❤

[@MissAlecious]

@@aejlindvall thank you so much for your kind words

[@MissAlecious]

@@chloe067 thank you

[@mariahtolonen]

So sorry to read this... your dad sounds so sweet and reminds me of my own. you are in my thoughts. :(

[@NaTaShAhUnNi]

Regardless of what stage of your life you’re at Gilmore girls will always be relatable, I’m on my 5th go now and it hit differently everytime

[@johannamunoz9860]

Emily is the queen of the show, her acting is so interesting and I agree she’s the highlight! I love how vicious she is and I love her

[@liv8286]

Not even kidding... I fully said "YES!" and threw my fist into the air when u said " Team Jess."

[@brittanypatterson3449]

Sophie the lady that owns the music store in Stars Hollow is actually the lady that sings the theme song.

[@Anali2197]

@@chrissi7560 Yes, it's Carol King! She's an amazing musician/singer :)

[@MeganHopeKamangala]

Wow, I had no idea, that’s amazing!

[@pachucasunrise1]

Yeah, Carole King is a music legend. She has one of the best-selling and most lauded albums of all time (Tapestry). I'm so surprised more people don't know this.

[@rockyandspinach]

also she sings the song with her daughter, which is a nice touch if you think about the main theme of the show

[@denyse8796]

😲

[@sianjoinson7642]

Gilmore girls has been my comfort blanket for about the last 15 years, I’ve watched it a ridiculous number of times!

[@michellebradley1504]

The best relationship is Luke and Jess! They always have each other’s backs and Luke pushing him in the lake is on of my favourite moments! 😂 Watching it as an adult I quite like Lane’s story. As a teenager she feels like she doesn’t fit in with her family, and at the end she is more settled, has a good relationship with her mum and still has the band, she seems pretty happy 😊 Also, Team Jess always ❤️

[@maredevries8679]

The best thing about the revival was seeing the good relationship luke and Jess have at that point. It just makes me sooo happy and is also weirdly realistic to me when the rest of the revival didn’t make any sense.

[@X_MissMary_X]

Yes Luke and Jess! I find them far more compelling than Lorelai and Rory...

[@lauriecarson6483]

@@X_MissMary_X I find Lorelai and Rory more compelling then Jess and Luke. Jess was an and to Luke and didn't want to listen to authorities.

[@hjane9685]

Love this review/ opinion, accept for Luke! He describes himself perfectly when he says to Lorelei that he’s grumpy but doesn’t want her to be grumpy! You know right there he loves her happy and optimistic personality and would never want it to dim! It’s also the moment you see his unconditional love for her! My 21 year old daughter and I watch this on repeat when we just need comfort!! Such an amazing cast and so easy to watch over and over! Never gets old!!

[@jenniferabercrombie1207]

Babbettes husband was pretty great and really loved his wife. P.s. You made that point later on

[@blackarosskir]

as a kid watching GG i never really noticed Morey...like- i knew he was there i just never noticed how much him and Babette loved each other, they ADORED each other...now when i'm rewatching it as a young adult i'm just sooo happy seeing them, they're my relationship goals

[@jenniferabercrombie1207]

@@blackarosskir agreed ❤❤

[@KimbaZed]

I love Gilmore Girls unapologetically. However, I like to pretend Year in the Life didn't happen. I understand that the show runners left after season 5 ( Rory quit Yale), but the revival pretty much ignored the last two years of the show. And those famous last four words? They might have had some impact when Rory was 22, but they don't have the same weight at 32 ETA I totally have Lorelei's monkey lamp. It was a gift from someone who knew I loved the series

[@KSP2695]

So much this! Even parts of the last season, where everyone drastically changed character, I sometimes block. But the revival....just no.

[@historybounder]

I think the show runners were still around for season 6 - ASP only left the show at that point and wasn't on board for season 7. But I'm totally with you on pretending the revival didn't happen. I've rewatched the original 7 seasons at least 10 times as my mental health comfort blanket but didn't enjoy the revival at all.

[@mollyjane98]

Lol. Love that someone has the monkey lamp! I have the Maxine cookie jar because of Gilmore Girls!

[@christinep129]

100% agree about Adam brody's character. I think that really messed up Lanes plot when he left. He was perfect for her. I was also really disappointed when Chad Michael Murray's character just left as well. Dean was creepy to me, never liked him, even when he and rory first started dating and then the whole affair thing was terrible. I think I need to watch the reboot again because I dont really remember much other than when lorelai and rory were making fun of fat people at the pool and I found that off putting and unnecessary

[@cloudparade4837]

I’m team Jess 💯!! I think after he left in series 3 and then popped up every now and then in the later seasons, he acted as her moral compass. When he came to visit her after he wrote his book and called her out over leaving Yale, he was the only one who could make her come to her senses, and again in the revival, he was the one who made her realise what she should be doing with her life. I adore him, he grew up good 😊! The theory over Logan and Jess being Rory’s Christopher and Luke is a very popular one and it definitely works. It’s got to be Logan’s baby, unless it was the Wookiee 🤷🏼‍♀️😂

[@ellamjo]

I think rory and logan are more compatable but they dont push eachother to do better the way rory and jess do so i will always be team jess

[@siri3441]

I’m just gonna throw my two cents in, and defend Rory. I’ve seen a bunch of comments calling Rory entitled. There is a difference between being entitled and not being able to recognize your privilege. Rory is an insanely hard worker throughout the series, whether it be for tests, a job, or the DAR, and for the most part, makes it clear that she wants to work for the things she wants, as opposed to letting her family buy her way in. Her problem is that she doesn’t recognize her privilege Being from a wealthy family.

[@noel2223]

she literally fell asleep during an interview in the revival and bombed another interview because she expected to be handed a job. she is entitled AND ridiculously privileged.

[@siri3441]

@Noël I agree the revival is shit. I think that she was ridiculously entitled in the revival, and honestly not a very nice person. I was just defending her through the original series.

[@shaliekk]

Lucy: "I'm going to have to, reluctantly, decide to go for, being team Jess" Me: YES!

[@SophieFoster]

I’m so glad you loved Gilmore Girls! You got me to watch it again this autumn from seeing it on your Instagram stories ❤️

[@eighteenglobe1396]

I feel like, Dean, Rory caused a lot of his pain and I personally think he didn't handle it well. He was very needy for Rory, Rory needed more space and freedom, they weren't a good couple together

[@Pinkladyisv]

They both fixated on each other because adult life was hard. They are each other’s first serious high school relationship and in the beginning it was very sweet and easy. They both probably missed the familiarity.

[@kathryndavis2768]

RORY'S BABY DADDY IS THE WOOK THAT SHE HAD A ONE-DAY STAND WITH. I SAID WHAT I SAID.

[@ryiladamson8011]

Yes. I scrolled through to make sure I wasn't repeating the Wookie point. The Wookie is the father. The timing is the only one she'd have known by that point.

[@walklikearobot]

@@ryiladamson8011 how could it possibly be tho? that happened at the end of the spring episode so by the time she tells lorelai she'd have to be 5-6 months along for that to work. wouldn't she be showing a bit by then??

[@DrGregoryHouseIT]

I'm guessing you missed the 'Here We Go Again' theming of the ending... Logan is the babydaddy.

[@haty2008]

The appeal of the show I think it’s the best escape from our grueling busy lifes, how calm an warm and funny and just cozy the show is and it’s all about the small moments the brilliant dialogue especially between Rory and Lauralie and also the references it’s just so relatable,

[@popcornrain6572]

I have a Gilmore girls comment. Zack was one of the worst boyfriend/husband. He treats her like his own personal server. He is not grateful for all she did for him. The only time I can remember that Zack was good lane was when she was upset about losing her freedom cuz she was about to be a mother he told her that everything would be ok. That is literally the only time I remember him being good to lane. Sorry but this is just my opinion.

[@KrislonR]

I hate him for Lane. She deserved way better.

[@jenniferclements351]

I'm certain others have gotten to many of these points before me, but chiming in to add: 1) The magic of Gilmore Girls is that the show shifts based on where you are in life. I graduated high school one year before Rory, and recall how, back in the day, her experiences and perspectives seemed totally in line with people I knew. Now I'm Lorelai's age, and I watch her storylines with a different eye and understanding. 2) Rory was, for all intents and purposes, coddled - despite growing up in a single parent household. My read on this is that it's a foil to Lorelai's experience doing it on her own, despite the ample resources of her family. I'm totally with you in disliking adult Rory, but I also appreciate that they gave the character that feels authentic, based on what we saw of the choices and paths she chose - for better or worse, Lorelia's dynamism allowed Rory to be somewhat quiet and bookish and not super independent. 3) Everything you said about Lane. Yes. 4) There's a moment in Lauren Graham's book about the song "Slap That Bass" which is simply the most hilarious, delightful thing in the world (and even moreso on audiobook, if you have access to it). 5) I also do the escapist repeat viewing of certain shows, and Gilmore Girls has been on that rotation for YEARS. Glad you finally got around to watching!

[@emmykenny5516]

Gilmore Girls is my autumnal comfort blanket, when my seasonal affective disorder kicks in you can bet money on the fact I’m watching Gilmore Girls for the 7th time 😂

[@JessieDolan1]

Best Characters: Emily, Paris & Lane

[@Ginmabes]

Couldn't agree more.

[@LatinFratGuy1]

totally agree they made the show what it is! Emily's character development and her wit are amazing. Without Paris Rory would have been so boring to watch. Roray needed Paris to balance out her selfishness. And i agree, Lane got shafted in the show.

[@moosewinchester8552]

YESSSSSSSSS

[@katherine-nj7mb]

1- EMILY 2- EMILY 3- EMILY

[@thaibey656]

i think that, once rory entered the "emily and richard Gilmore world" that was it. she slowly started changing as she began doing the things Lor never did..... I absolutely LOVE this video!

[@Perfectlyvirtual]

I feel like one of the few people who really enjoyed Lane’s story line. I really appreciate how much her and her moms relationship was explored in the later seasons and in the revival I got Fast Ball vibes from them, like they had one or two hits and now they just jam together. I also genuinely like Zach, I wasn’t given enough time to feel connected to Dave, but Zach was really endearing to me and I thought him and Lane had a really sweet relationship. She’s genuinely my favorite character and I genuinely enjoy how she’s written.

[@kerriethompson2073]

I just want to say something about Christopher and I'll be quiet. To me the reason why Christopher was absent in Rory's life was because Loerlai pushed him away, which made it easier for Loerlai to blame Christopher for everything. He was the one to get married, but she said no. She wanted to be independent. She told him to go and travel. Plus in the first season Lorelai jealous when Christopher hung out with Rory despite his screw up. Even in the revival Christopher told Rory he felt like in the beginning he wasn't wanted in Loerlai's and Rory's life. I'm not excusing Christopher's behavior, but I'm just saying that Loerlai is partly to blame for the disconnect in Rory's life.

[@KrislonR]

I agree that Lorelai pushed Chris out of their lives, but I don't blame her at all! If she had accepted his marriage proposal at 16, he would have worked for her father's company and lived with their parents for, what, 3 to 5 years to save up for a home? Can you imagine them under Emily's thumb the whole time? The stress and tension that would have caused their already rocky relationship (being so young, being young parents, not living up to expectations), I have no doubt Chris would've bailed. And where would that leave Lorelai? She would've been in the same place (with nothing) but 3-5 years later with a toddler and still under her mother's control. By telling Chris to go do what he needed to do, she was able to care for herself and Rory. I think she did resent him for getting to do those things, understandably, and I think she always thought he would come back to them in a reasonable timeline, which he didn't, because he would never agree to settle down (and rarely visited. That's gotta hurt, both Lor and Rory).

[@bonessvufreak]

I agree with you, to a certain extent. Lorelai didn't want anyone else monopolizing her time/relationship with Rory and pushed Christopher out of their lives a bit. We saw that in the beginningof season 1 when she got jealous that Rory was enjoying her time with Richard as well as when Chris came to town. There are various points where I think Lorelai felt threatened by anyone else (especially whenever Chris came into their lives) who tried to really work their way into Rory's life. I also thing that Chris was a very all or nothing kind of guy. It seemed like his main goal was to be in a relationship with Lorelai, not to be a father to Rory. And whenever Lorelai told him she wasn't interested, he stepped back from being a father to Rory because he couldn't be with Lorelai.

[@stephjovi]

Telling him to travel like at least one if is should get to enjoy, doesn't mean go travel for the next 16 years. They were 16 he had to go to school anyways so he was close. He knew where to find her when he finally showed up so they were in touch at no point does she say Hey why are you here you're not allowed to see Rory. They were 16,much to young to get married because of a baby. We see what kind of father he is when he's alone with Gigi and complains that he can't reach the Nanny. That guy has to take care of his own child for one evening and has to run to Lorelei. And as soon as he could he dropped her off in Paris and next thing we hear is she's still there. That's all he could say about her

[@stephjovi]

@@bonessvufreak I think the jealousy was Why does he care about my daughter whilst he still can't have a decent conversation with me. She was sad because Richard hadn't been much of a dad

[@TasTheBlue54]

She pushed him away because he was bad.

[@AN-oj8xi]

Paris was my favorite character hands down. Loved her character development!!

[@fridam5181]

I personally never thought Luke to be good for Lorelei. Luke was ruined for me during the time that April came around. He handled it horribly, and treated Lorelei so badly. Like he didn't let her have any contact or relationship with April even though they were literally getting married. And Lorelei wanted so badly for Luke to let her in, like that period of time breaks my heart because you can clearly see how hurt Lorelei was during this time and Luke was completely oblivious to it, only thinking about himself.

[@haligirl2]

Thank you!!! 100% agree!

[@a_noelles]

The whole thing was a mess actually. After him waiting all those years for her, Lorelai should have had it in her to give Luke time when he asked for it. She couldn't do it. She made something about her that was in no way about her. Lorelai and Luke weren't the perfect match folks wanted them to be. Quite honestly it felt like they both settled.

[@lauriecarson6483]

Luke did one think wrong through out the series and her gets dumped on Chris does alot of things wrong and her gets praised

[@Angelica_h023]

Rory has terrible self esteem, it’s dependent on external validation, she is gifted kid burnout personified. My theory is Jess ghosting her after the failed attempt on his part to pressure her into sex... was actually a massive turn for her character, her idealized view of the world shattered. He is never shown apologizing or explaining and she internalized the rejection, thinking she threw away a stable relationship with Dean for someone to hurt her deeply out of nowhere... Now, with that being said, I’m Team Jess, in my mind they end up together eventually.

[@katien3022]

I think Jess clearly turned out to be the best option later on. He matured into a fine man. But by then I don’t think Rory deserved him 😂

[@marykatejones3677]

I'm team Jess but I wasn't until he came back when Rory was taking time of Yale and he was able to talk sense into her. I felt like he really understand her as a person. He reached her when Loreli couldn't

[@caseyc2497]

I think we all forget how selfish and entitled Rory could be through the whole series and then when that goes unchecked the whole time when shes an adult, she's horrific. The revival was awful for me

[@Gambole]

Casey C I watched it for the first time about a year ago and enjoyed it but ended up googling to see if anyone else thought Rory was quite selfish and entitled. I thought it surely can’t just be me.

[@caseyc2497]

@@Gambole she is, its just masked a lot in the series by ither people being worse and Lorelai rarely actually punishes her so she just thinks its okay

[@Nettietwixt]

Yes she's an awful person and it's such a shame to hate her by the end but it's hard for me not to.

[@TKDDLJ09]

The revival was just dissapointing. It was like we picked right up where we left, even though they made it clear that it had been years, but none of the characters had grown. Rory still felt like an entitled teenager, Lorelai was still flighty as fuck and so so so childish and Luke was still a doormat for Lorelei to wipe her feet on. It was so disappointing. Only Emily, Paris and Jess and Dean had actually grown.

[@mariana-ni9wl]

Agree!! Team Jess. He was the only one of Rory’s boyfriends who had a good development, the writers make him so dirty during season 3 because he was getting an spin-off (that never happened). Also he was the only one who had a interesting plot besides being Rory’s love interest. He and Rory had the best connection and chemistry they don’t need to have drama to be interesting but I guess the writers don’t agree on that. And yes!! Logan seems to be that rich guy at school with his group of jerk fiends who believe they’re better than anyone. Even if I think he was the best boyfriend during the actual relationship I just never got interested in him or him and Rory. Lane deserved better!! It was so sad how her story went. Also Rory and Logan ended up being perfect for each other and Jess being to good for her

[@GJ-qs4yt]

When my fiancé of 9 years got someone else pregnant 4 months before our wedding day I went on a long vacation to Stars Hollow 😂 💕

[@sarah-louisealsop274]

Wooooooooow

[@jerry-maybayer6588]

Wow I am so sorry that happened to you! I promise there’s good fish out there!

[@AshleySpeaks09]

Wtfffffffffffffff

[@livrose3567]

I think it’s realistic that at 32 she still doesn’t have a proper career because that’s not shown much on tv but it’s very realistic for a lot of people

[@riley87]

Kirk is arguably the best character i mean a film my kirk a pure cinematic masterpiece. Also him and lulu were just so cute.

[@schnapps1994]

Dave goes off to college in California...The OC Tristan goes off to military school in North Carolina...the setting for One Tree Hill Loved this detail soo much! Also, I still watch the show multiple times a year (I must be on 20+ views through - sometimes restarting post season 4) - since it was first on Nickelodeon, then Hallmark, then the full box set until finally it arrived on Netflix! Like old friends! Although watching back as an adult - my god! It’s so dysfunctional and all the lack of communication! So interesting to see how you feel watching it for the first time - thanks for sharing! 😘

[@erinchism3078]

if you've never seen One Tree Hill, add it to the list

[@NicolaClarke94]

I really wish that Rory had taken the teaching job at Chilton!

[@bethanyashby3922]

I love Gilmore Girls to the actual core, I love the foundations it was built on. But I feel the writers stopped caring or at least lost sight of what every characters foundations were.

[@tobytheshih-tzu6329]

I was sooo happy when you said Team Jess!! He is my favorite yes he had a lot of problems when he was a teen, and due to that he didn't always treat Rory or the people around him the best. However his love for her was always the strongest, they had the best chemistry and connection, as well as he got his crap together in hopes of getting her back in the process, and he never stopped loving her. Just as Luke was pining after Lorelai all that time, Jess was the same way with Rory, and Logan is definitely her Christopher. I also like Lane as a character. When I watched the show I didn't think I would like it that much, but then I ended up getting hooked!

[@not_them]

Rory just had a lot of... casual cruelty in the revival, which was so offputting

[@atllauren]

They ruined her character SO much in the revival. Hard-working, genuine Rory became so entitled and cruel!

[@not_them]

@@atllauren she definitely had flaws in the original series, but they never made her as unbearable as in the revival. She lost a lot of things that made her character work

[@sherrysink3177]

I feel like they ruined her character starting with the affair she had with Dean... and then it just went downhill from there. (And she was awful in the reunion.) That's one thing I really don't like, what they did with her character, because I genuinely liked her in the first seasons. She was a good kid, cared about school, cared about her friends and her mom, loved to read, was passionate about what she wanted to do with her life... and then they just turned her into this callous, stuck-up person and I couldn't understand why they would do that to her.

[@mybeautifulexception]

Or is it the Wookiee’s baby...? I agree that Jess is her Luke though. I really hated the “Paul” story line in the revival too. What was the point of that??

[@bloocandy247]

Maybe the Wookiee is actually Marty.....

[@bluejay5637]

@@bloocandy247 omg! I thought the same thing!

[@MissEPliterature]

Yessss they did lane so dirty!!! Why was there no resolution for the bad sex either ??

[@drm1417]

I really wish the show was more diverse, there’s Lane, Michel , Gypsy and every once in a while a miscellaneous POC

[@sylviajensen252]

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[@Orlagh]

I have similar thoughts to you! I think what annoyed me about the revival was that we don't watch GG for reality, it's supposed to be magical escapism and to not let at least half of the characters achieve their goals feels like a cold cup of coffee. Also Justice for Lane '21